RB Najee Harris, LAC (24 Viewers)

[efactor]

I'd love to see an accurate % (not the BS stats that Yahoo displays) of people that are confidently starting Hampton in Week 1.

I am starting him in 2 with confidence. Went WR/WR and grabbed him late 3rd in a 14 and 12 teamer.

I like Najee and all, but Chargers didn't spend a 1st rounder on Hampton to have him split carries. They want to win now.

Similar to how I view Henderson in NE. Stevenson is a decent RB, but Henderson is dynamic and these coaches need to win now. He will be the main RB sooner than later.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

As is obvious from this thread, there is a spectrum of opinions on how Harris and Hampton will be used this season., so I want to put some predictions on the record.

I don't own either player on any fantasy team, so my opinion is not influenced by anything other than being a very serious Chargers fan.

Assumptions:

• Harris will have to build up to a potential full workload over the first 2-4 weeks of the regular season, even if he has no setbacks. Otherwise, I assume he will be healthy.
• I assume Hampton will remain healthy all season.
• I assume no major injuries to key players around them, like Herbert, McConkey, Alt, and Becton.

Predictions:

• Hampton will get at least 60% of the RB touches this season.
• Harris will get no more than 35% of the RB touches this season.
• I predict 450 RB touches. That means I am predicting 270+ touches for Hampton and no more than 160 touches for Harris.

If my predictions are reasonably close, there will be a lot of posters here who will be disappointed in Harris's fantasy performance.

Harris was almost free for anyone who drafted late into camp/preseason. Anything he gives is gravy. If he gives nothing, he's an easy churn candidate.

That said, you're projecting 270 touches for Hampton? How many of those are receptions? If Harris is healthy (which he must be for them to have kept him around), I just don't see how a rookie out-touches him almost 2 to 1. If for no other reason than they are similar backs with Harris being a known commodity on passing downs, and them not wanting to burn the tires off Hampton out the gate. Just IMO of course.

 

[Doubles]

I'd love to see an accurate % (not the BS stats that Yahoo displays) of people that are confidently starting Hampton in Week 1.

I am starting him in the three leagues I have him in. Got him in the third, third (both 12 teams) and fourth in a ten man. With as much confidence as any other players I drafted before him and shortly after.

 

[habsfan]

Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be.

 

[steelwind]

As is obvious from this thread, there is a spectrum of opinions on how Harris and Hampton will be used this season., so I want to put some predictions on the record.

I don't own either player on any fantasy team, so my opinion is not influenced by anything other than being a very serious Chargers fan.

Assumptions:

• Harris will have to build up to a potential full workload over the first 2-4 weeks of the regular season, even if he has no setbacks. Otherwise, I assume he will be healthy.
• I assume Hampton will remain healthy all season.
• I assume no major injuries to key players around them, like Herbert, McConkey, Alt, and Becton.

Predictions:

• Hampton will get at least 60% of the RB touches this season.
• Harris will get no more than 35% of the RB touches this season.
• I predict 450 RB touches. That means I am predicting 270+ touches for Hampton and no more than 160 touches for Harris.

If my predictions are reasonably close, there will be a lot of posters here who will be disappointed in Harris's fantasy performance.

I don't see Harris getting only 9 touches per game. Harris will be the main PPR back in addition to providing flex rushing attempts.
Based on my post from last night, I am predicting 11 rush attempts per game and 3 targets per game-totaling 238 touches across 17 games.

 

[Chardo1]

Will Najee's vision affect his receiving ability?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Will Najee's vision affect his receiving ability?

Is anything wrong with Najee's vision?

 

[Chardo1]

Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be.

Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.

 

[Chardo1]

Will Najee's vision affect his receiving ability?

Is anything wrong with Najee's vision?

We shall see. Well, maybe he won't, but we will.

 

[Chardo1]

As is obvious from this thread, there is a spectrum of opinions on how Harris and Hampton will be used this season., so I want to put some predictions on the record.

I don't own either player on any fantasy team, so my opinion is not influenced by anything other than being a very serious Chargers fan.

Assumptions:

• Harris will have to build up to a potential full workload over the first 2-4 weeks of the regular season, even if he has no setbacks. Otherwise, I assume he will be healthy.
• I assume Hampton will remain healthy all season.
• I assume no major injuries to key players around them, like Herbert, McConkey, Alt, and Becton.

Predictions:

• Hampton will get at least 60% of the RB touches this season.
• Harris will get no more than 35% of the RB touches this season.
• I predict 450 RB touches. That means I am predicting 270+ touches for Hampton and no more than 160 touches for Harris.

If my predictions are reasonably close, there will be a lot of posters here who will be disappointed in Harris's fantasy performance.

I don't see Harris getting only 9 touches per game. Harris will be the main PPR back in addition to providing flex rushing attempts.
Based on my post from last night, I am predicting 11 rush attempts per game and 3 targets per game-totaling 238 touches across 17 games.

Those are reasonable numbers, probably ceiling. With less in week 1.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Will Najee's vision affect his receiving ability?

Is anything wrong with Najee's vision?

We shall see. Well, maybe he won't, but we will.

So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... drop

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be.

Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.

Bijan had 214 carries to Tyler Allgeier's 186. Close to a 50/50 carry split and Allgeier isn't half the RB Najee is, and Hampton isn't half the RB Bijan is.

Bijan did a lot of his damage through the air his rookie season. Omarion isn't that. Najee is the better receiver. Neither are close to the level of Bijan. Harris is also playing for his career on a 1 year deal.

This is gonna be a fun ride.

 

[mereblitzianity]

Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be.

Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.

Bijan had 214 carries to Tyler Allgeier's 186. Close to a 50/50 carry split and Allgeier isn't half the RB Najee is, and Hampton isn't half the RB Bijan is.

Bijan did a lot of his damage through the air his rookie season. Omarion isn't that. Najee is the better receiver. Neither are close to the level of Bijan. Harris is also playing for his career on a 1 year deal.

This is gonna be a fun ride.

I agree with you on Harris, but think you're underselling how good Algiere is--he could def start on a lot of other teams, and will get a starting gig somewhere next year. He's obv not Bijon, but is certainly no slouch.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Allgeier is a good back, big bruiser but not that versatile, I highly doubt he gets starter money or a starting gig from anyone when RBs are so cheap via draft. He’s a good complementary back IMO, not a lot more.

My only real point is not even a back as good as Bijan was gonna sniff 270 if he wasn’t on one of the most boring and predictable run run pass offenses in the entire league. Even then, he needed elite receiving skills to get there.

 

[Chardo1]

Will Najee's vision affect his receiving ability?

Is anything wrong with Najee's vision?

We shall see. Well, maybe he won't, but we will.

So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... drop

I did. I own both.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be.

Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.

Bijan had 214 carries to Tyler Allgeier's 186. Close to a 50/50 carry split and Allgeier isn't half the RB Najee is, and Hampton isn't half the RB Bijan is.

Bijan did a lot of his damage through the air his rookie season. Omarion isn't that. Najee is the better receiver. Neither are close to the level of Bijan. Harris is also playing for his career on a 1 year deal.

This is gonna be a fun ride.

I agree with you on Harris, but think you're underselling how good Algiere is--he could def start on a lot of other teams, and will get a starting gig somewhere next year. He's obv not Bijon, but is certainly no slouch.

I agree with that opinion on Allgeier and traded for him before last season partly for that reason. I own Bijan and wanted the handcuff, but I also see good stand alone value if Allgeier leaves as a FA after this season. My trade partner is a very savvy owner and I’m guessing Allgeier’s cost would have gone up this year.

Back to Harris and Hampton, I’m seeing an awful lot of assumptions being made about Hampton and his talent level compared to Harris before Hampton has taken even one regular season snap. Harris did an awfully good job considering the lack of support from any kind of passing game and a really poor run blocking O line during his time in PIT.

 

[Payne]

Will Najee's vision affect his receiving ability?

Is anything wrong with Najee's vision?

We shall see. Well, maybe he won't, but we will.

So just more wish-casting from a Hampton owner? Noted.

What I don't understand is why Hampton owners weren't just grabbing Najee as a handcuff, then we wouldn't have all this angst. He was pretty much free.

Najee was simultaneously the cheapest and potentially most valuable stand alone asset as a handcuff in the entire league. Heck, he might not even be the handcuff on the team. He is listed as the #1 on the depth chart, so, hmmmmm... drop

Though not the cheapest, Charbonnet is the most valuable and it's not close.
The reason most didn't handcuff Harris is because maybe he's not very good and people are looking for upside.
I mean, you could argue Warren was better than him last year. Do you believe Hampton is better than Warren?

 

[Stealthycat]

NFL running back Najee Harris is known for his abilities as a pass protector

bigly deal

Hampton might be too - is he RIGHT NOW ?

I'm invested in both in various was but a recent auction league I spent $2.50 on Harris, Hampton went for $16.57
Another draft 4.2 Hampton, Harris wasn't drafted (10 teamer fun league)
Another draft $12.25 Hampton and Harris $2

This screams value to me

 

[Payne]

1 Hampton injury away from being studly

Harris is a very good later rounds investment

The thing about it is he might be a great investment even if Hampton isn't injured. People are acting like Hampton is the second coming when we haven't seen him play a single snap. The athleticism Hampton showed at the combine doesn't really show up on the field, not yet anyway. Besides that point, Harris is a great pass protector and a very good receiver. That alone will keep him on the field.

That athleticism showed up every week for two years as he tore through the ACC. He's not some scouting combine freak who never did anything great on the field.

The rookie stats of first round RBs are undeniable. They are rarely drafted in the first. The handful that were had fantasy seasons ranging from solid to outstanding.

"Tore through the ACC" File that one in the "so what?" category especially considering they didn't play Clemson, Miami, Syracuse, SMU or Louisville. So the best team on their schedule was Duke? This is football lol, and the best team they played was Duke? Hampton may be that dude, we'll see. His college stats are meaningless. His combine was impressive, his tape reminds me of Ollie Gordon.

You may want to go look at UNC's 2023 season

Vs Miami - 24 for 197 and a TD
Vs Clemson - 19 carries for 178 and 2 TD's
Vs G Tech - 29 for 153 and 2 Td's

 

[steelwind]

We do tend to put a ton of focus on players in the Shark Pool, but isn't that just one piece of the puzzle?
Players do not determine snap count. Coaching staff + contract determines snap count.
I think we all need to put additional weight into team offense identity and how the coaching staff views their players.

We have a team in LAC that is a run first offense who likes both Harris + Hampton. Both are getting paid starter money. Though Harris has a higher cap hit in 2025 than Hampton. But Hampton has a multi-year deal.
Both backs are going to eat.

It really does not matter what variance split people are predicting. The fact is Harris is producing a much higher ADP value than Hampton.
Where Hampton is drafted you will get that ADP value.
Where Harris is drafted (or not drafted in alot of leagues) you are getting a monumental value right now.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be.

Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.

Bijan had 214 carries to Tyler Allgeier's 186. Close to a 50/50 carry split and Allgeier isn't half the RB Najee is, and Hampton isn't half the RB Bijan is.

Bijan did a lot of his damage through the air his rookie season. Omarion isn't that. Najee is the better receiver. Neither are close to the level of Bijan. Harris is also playing for his career on a 1 year deal.

This is gonna be a fun ride.

I agree with you on Harris, but think you're underselling how good Algiere is--he could def start on a lot of other teams, and will get a starting gig somewhere next year. He's obv not Bijon, but is certainly no slouch.

1 Hampton injury away from being studly

Harris is a very good later rounds investment

The thing about it is he might be a great investment even if Hampton isn't injured. People are acting like Hampton is the second coming when we haven't seen him play a single snap. The athleticism Hampton showed at the combine doesn't really show up on the field, not yet anyway. Besides that point, Harris is a great pass protector and a very good receiver. That alone will keep him on the field.

That athleticism showed up every week for two years as he tore through the ACC. He's not some scouting combine freak who never did anything great on the field.

The rookie stats of first round RBs are undeniable. They are rarely drafted in the first. The handful that were had fantasy seasons ranging from solid to outstanding.

"Tore through the ACC" File that one in the "so what?" category especially considering they didn't play Clemson, Miami, Syracuse, SMU or Louisville. So the best team on their schedule was Duke? This is football lol, and the best team they played was Duke? Hampton may be that dude, we'll see. His college stats are meaningless. His combine was impressive, his tape reminds me of Ollie Gordon.

You may want to go look at UNC's 2023 season

Vs Miami - 24 for 197 and a TD
Vs Clemson - 19 carries for 178 and 2 TD's
Vs G Tech - 29 for 153 and 2 Td's

They all sucked in 2023. GTech did the best at 5-3 in conference, Clemson 4-4 and Miami 3-5.

The teams thar ruled the roost in 2023 were FSU, Louisville and NC State. Of those, Hampton only played NC State and went 9 for 28.

None if that even touches the subject that the ACC is a joke compared to the real football conferences. It is what it is, beat up who they put in front of you I guess.

 

[Payne]

Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be.

Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.

Bijan had 214 carries to Tyler Allgeier's 186. Close to a 50/50 carry split and Allgeier isn't half the RB Najee is, and Hampton isn't half the RB Bijan is.

Bijan did a lot of his damage through the air his rookie season. Omarion isn't that. Najee is the better receiver. Neither are close to the level of Bijan. Harris is also playing for his career on a 1 year deal.

This is gonna be a fun ride.

I agree with you on Harris, but think you're underselling how good Algiere is--he could def start on a lot of other teams, and will get a starting gig somewhere next year. He's obv not Bijon, but is certainly no slouch.

1 Hampton injury away from being studly

Harris is a very good later rounds investment

The thing about it is he might be a great investment even if Hampton isn't injured. People are acting like Hampton is the second coming when we haven't seen him play a single snap. The athleticism Hampton showed at the combine doesn't really show up on the field, not yet anyway. Besides that point, Harris is a great pass protector and a very good receiver. That alone will keep him on the field.

That athleticism showed up every week for two years as he tore through the ACC. He's not some scouting combine freak who never did anything great on the field.

The rookie stats of first round RBs are undeniable. They are rarely drafted in the first. The handful that were had fantasy seasons ranging from solid to outstanding.

"Tore through the ACC" File that one in the "so what?" category especially considering they didn't play Clemson, Miami, Syracuse, SMU or Louisville. So the best team on their schedule was Duke? This is football lol, and the best team they played was Duke? Hampton may be that dude, we'll see. His college stats are meaningless. His combine was impressive, his tape reminds me of Ollie Gordon.

You may want to go look at UNC's 2023 season

Vs Miami - 24 for 197 and a TD
Vs Clemson - 19 carries for 178 and 2 TD's
Vs G Tech - 29 for 153 and 2 Td's

They all sucked in 2023. GTech did the best at 5-3 in conference, Clemson 4-4 and Miami 3-5.

The teams thar ruled the roost in 2023 were FSU, Louisville and NC State. Of those, Hampton only played NC State and went 9 for 28.

None if that even touches the subject that the ACC is a joke compared to the real football conferences. It is what it is, beat up who they put in front of you I guess.

Now you're moving the goal posts. It's obvious you think Harris is the guy. Great. That's what makes this fun.

 

[efactor]

Is the last rookie to receive 270+ touches not Najee Harris? I think it might be.

Bijan had 272. They happen to be the most recent first round RBs drafted. Along with Gibbs, who had 234 but missed two games.

Point is, you can pretty much count on Hampton also hitting that number, like any first round RB.

Bijan had 214 carries to Tyler Allgeier's 186. Close to a 50/50 carry split and Allgeier isn't half the RB Najee is, and Hampton isn't half the RB Bijan is.

Allgeier YPC is 4.4 over his career compared to 3.9 for Najee. Pretty foolish to say Najee is twice as good because he had 1st round draft capital. Just a false statement

Also, just because the Falcons were foolish to split carries doesn't mean the Chargers are going to be

 

[Chardo1]

I suppose it's a fair point. None of last year's top 25 running backs came from the ACC. Jordan Mason would be the highest. Though Gibbs started out at Ga Tech.