ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
usually it is, but he's lightyears ahead of any other RB in college, so in this rare case it's fitting.
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RB Nick Chubb, HOU (4 Viewers)
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spider321
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
ugh, some people can't see something that is right in front of their face. Chubb is a generational talent, jump on the wagon while there are still those who don't see it.
spider321
Footballguy
He's very. very good, but there are others who fit that description too.
He may be the best. ...but so might Fournett or Cook.
That "not really close" stuff is old and arrogant jerkwad stuff, though.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
those terms all describe me pretty well, so makes sense i'd pull out the not really close line.
spider321
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
meh, only 222 yards. expected 300+ but whatever.
offdee
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Andrew74
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Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Now that we've seen that he's back and fully recovered, maybe he should take it easy and play sparingly. I just want to see him healthy the whole year. After today, I've seen enough. Shut him down.
massraider
Footballguy
I have a Chubby.
massraider
Footballguy
I'm still hopeful of getting Chubb at the end of the 1st for the Panthers. Preseason 2017 mocks had him late first. Was thinking Carolina's offense could be fun to watch in 2017 with Chubb replacing Stewart (first year where dead cap is reasonable,/$5M cap savings).
I watched the highlights and he looked good, but I didn't see anything that would lead me to believe he's the best prospect since sliced bread. I liked him from watching him with Gurley, but most of the highlights from UNC came from a couple runs including the long TD. The other 30 were just normal good runs/getting stuff sometimes.
That said, they keep running him 30+ times a game and I'm not sure I'm as eager to draft him coming off the ACL. That worries me a bit.
I watched the highlights and he looked good, but I didn't see anything that would lead me to believe he's the best prospect since sliced bread. I liked him from watching him with Gurley, but most of the highlights from UNC came from a couple runs including the long TD. The other 30 were just normal good runs/getting stuff sometimes.
That said, they keep running him 30+ times a game and I'm not sure I'm as eager to draft him coming off the ACL. That worries me a bit.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
I thought he looked good but didn't have the suddenness and cutting he had before. But it's very early after a bad injury, so you can't complain too much.
He won't be around in the late 1st if healthy, not a chance.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
20 carries for 80 yards against Nicholls State. Doesn't seem very impressive. What happened?
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Nicholls D looked pretty good. They focused on stopping the run and Chubb was running unto walls.
Late 1st is definitely possible even if healthy. With Fournette, Cook and McCaffery as potential 1st rounders as well, it wouldn't surprise me if Chubb fell to late first. There are a ton of 1st-3rd round RBs in the 2017 draft. Having that depth, will sometimes mean that players go later than expected. Maybe later this season he'll look better, but so far he hasn't looked like a first rounder yet.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Ankle injury. Wonderful.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Looking rather pedestrian since week 1. The OL isn't doing him any favors either.
TripItUp
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I like Chubb but McCaffrey is the best RB in this class.
Xue
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dipandglide
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Rhythmdoctor
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
If this is going to devolve into another McCaffery debate, at least make sure it goes in the McCaffery thread guys. I can feel it coming.
EBF
Footballguy
I think I like Freeman and Gaskin more than McCaffrey, but yeah...this isn't really the right thread for that discussion.
Chubb's struggles are predictable. The guy probably shouldn't even be playing football right now. The combine is 5 months from now. If he can heal up and put up the kind of numbers that you'd expect based on his freshman-sophomore seasons, I'll pretty much write off this season as meaningless. If he still doesn't look right by February-March then I think you have to consider a slight possibility that he'll never be the same.
Chubb's struggles are predictable. The guy probably shouldn't even be playing football right now. The combine is 5 months from now. If he can heal up and put up the kind of numbers that you'd expect based on his freshman-sophomore seasons, I'll pretty much write off this season as meaningless. If he still doesn't look right by February-March then I think you have to consider a slight possibility that he'll never be the same.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
So what's the word on this guy? Two months ago people were talking about him as a consensus top 10 NFL pick and ZWK said he's the best college RB he's ever seen. Now I'm seeing him being mocked in the 3rd round of the NFL draft as the 8th RB taken.
Has the injury just done him in and made him the next Marcus Lattimore, or is this a situation where he was maybe just still not playing at 100% this year and is going to be his old self again next year when he's 2 years removed from the injury (a la Edgerrin James and Wes Welker)? I haven't really seen him play much this year, but he started so strong it has me confused on the injury front.
Has the injury just done him in and made him the next Marcus Lattimore, or is this a situation where he was maybe just still not playing at 100% this year and is going to be his old self again next year when he's 2 years removed from the injury (a la Edgerrin James and Wes Welker)? I haven't really seen him play much this year, but he started so strong it has me confused on the injury front.
ZWK
Footballguy
Chubb's numbers are way down this year. I haven't watched his most recent games, but in the games I have watched from this year he looked much worse than he did in previous years.
So the question is if the injury has permanently sapped his abilities, or if it's a temporary thing where his recovery is still in progress. If his tape looks better in the last few games of the season, and he does well at the combine, then that will point in the direction of a temporary thing that he's recovering from.
I do think that fantasy owners should be more tolerant of risk, and should put more weight on upside, than NFL teams. So he should go earlier in dynasty rookie drafts than his NFL draft position would suggest.
So the question is if the injury has permanently sapped his abilities, or if it's a temporary thing where his recovery is still in progress. If his tape looks better in the last few games of the season, and he does well at the combine, then that will point in the direction of a temporary thing that he's recovering from.
I do think that fantasy owners should be more tolerant of risk, and should put more weight on upside, than NFL teams. So he should go earlier in dynasty rookie drafts than his NFL draft position would suggest.
hardcoredx
Footballguy
Gurley is the best as far as far combination of size,speed,power that I've seen in the last 10 years since AP - this is clear from the college tape. Chubb pre-injury was a tier right below but above Zeke. Now, I'm not sure what to think except I don't think any of these RB's are HOFer's. Fournette doesn't look special at all
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Pipes
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I have Chubb in my top 4 RBs right now. He might be 4 though. I think the top 4 are very close, however. VERY close.
McCaffrey, Cook, Fournette, Chubb - in some order.
McCaffrey, Cook, Fournette, Chubb - in some order.
ZWK
Footballguy
I'd be more optimistic about him if it was just a torn ACL, since players usually make their way back from those and it does sometimes take more than a year.
When he got injured, there were 3 possibilities:
He returns to form in his first season back
He eventually returns to form, but not in his first season back
He never returns to form
We're now getting close to ruling out the first possibility (unless his late-season tape looks good). So if you initially thought that these 3 possibilities were equally likely and he had a 2/3 chance of returning to form at some point, now that's down to a 1/2 chance.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
anyone think it's possible he stays in school another year?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
There are two ways to look at this, from his point of view:
1. Having to stay in school longer is what caused him to get injured before getting paid in the first place, and its time to get a paycheck ASAP and go pro
2. One more year could rehab both his knee and his draft stock (if he thinks he'll fall)
He's a smart kid, but idk which option he'll choose. Seems very loyal to Georgia and a guy that loves the college game, so who knows. I'm really hoping he declares.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Yep. Goal #1 for these guys is to come out as soon as they will get playing time and get that rookie contract ticking. While it's a slight exaggeration to say Powell makes more than Gurley, it's shockingly close enough to really drive the point home. Elliott is making $24M guaranteed, Gurley $14M only $9M of which is guaranteed, and that's a 10. A later 1st makes even less. What he does as a rookie isn't going to affect his second contract anyway. He'll have three more years to show what he's worth. He'll get a year of NFL-caliber rehab and medical care. And then in 2021 he hits his UFA year at age 25 rather than 2023 at 27. By today's numbers he could make $20M in those two years alone.
