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RB Nick Chubb, HOU (1 Viewer)

LionOfGosforth said:
Anyone else feel like this is a bad week waiting to happen? Not much involvement in the passing game to mitigate game-flow, Steelers likely to be ahead by a significant margin etc?
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I could just as easily counter with the Steelers playing down to their opponents, the browns defense should be able to harass Ben and Chubb did have a few targets last week, albeit no catches

 
Skeletore Eh said:
I could just as easily counter with the Steelers playing down to their opponents, the browns defense should be able to harass Ben and Chubb did have a few targets last week, albeit no catches
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Yep - I’m actually going against the grain a bit & streaming the Browns D/ST. 

Week 1 they were a 20 point defense. Granted, this one is at PIT,  but the. Towns defense has been pretty productive all year. 

I think they’ll keep this game competitive. And we still don’t really know if the Browns will stop using Chubb if they get down a bit - they’ll still use him in goal to go short yardage situations so that’s a plus. 

I’m starting him as I have little choice - it’s him or Collins, and I like Chubb’s chances to break a big one more than Collins this week. 

Its certainly possible the Browns get blown out and Chubb isn’t a good start, but I think this will be a competitive game. 

 
jdoggydogg said:
It's fine you don't care. Other people do. 
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Not nearly as many as the ones who don't in THIS thread.  See, this thread is dedicated to discussion about Nick Chubb. Nobody came in here to sift through 50 posts arguing about how different owners perceive low ball trade offers and counter offers.  A few posts getting OT is acceptable, not a whole page.  See when a few people pollute a thread with something entirely off topic, it's inconsiderate to the other thousands of people trying to read about Chubb.  So, yeah.  There are some people who care but a whole lot more who probably do not.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Not nearly as many as the ones who don't in THIS thread.  See, this thread is dedicated to discussion about Nick Chubb. Nobody came in here to sift through 50 posts arguing about how different owners perceive low ball trade offers and counter offers.  A few posts getting OT is acceptable, not a whole page.  See when a few people pollute a thread with something entirely off topic, it's inconsiderate to the other thousands of people trying to read about Chubb.  So, yeah.  There are some people who care but a whole lot more who probably do not.
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Well, you aren't the thread police. So coversations will run their course here despite your good intentions

 
davearm said:
Deal looks pretty even to me :shrug:

All depends on scoring of course, but of all the guys he might spend the next 10 years regretting trading, it'd most likely be Goff.
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Ya, I didn’t think it was a home run but I have Matt ryan and Ben is qb3 and I have baker mayfield stashed for the future.  Weak at rb so happy with it. 

 
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I'm probably going to start him over Brown in a PPR league.  We've got a unique scoring system that also rewards .25 points for rushing attempt so as long as he gets some volume he should be fine.  I'm still undecided though.

 
Dr. Dan said:
I got a no thanks on my 2 firsts for Chubb... thinking of throwing in Gallup to see if he bites on that. I am fairly deep with young WR and have 6 first round picks next year. 
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I wouldn't do it. I really see Gurley upside with Chubb. The defense is up and coming, Baker could be the real deal, the OL is above average, and he's shown some early flashes of elite potential. At a minimum, he's already shown he's got breakaway speed which isn't easy to find in a 5'11" 227 frame.

LionOfGosforth said:
Anyone else feel like this is a bad week waiting to happen? Not much involvement in the passing game to mitigate game-flow, Steelers likely to be ahead by a significant margin etc?
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A bad week is certainly a realistic outcome (16-60 rushing, 0 receiving), but all it takes is one long run or one goal line carry to flip that around into a decent game  - remember the Steelers' defense is actually just barely better (4.2) than league average (4.3) on a per carry basis. Also, he had two legitimate targets last week (as opposed to throw aways where he was in the vicinity) - one was under thrown which would've been a very nice gain and the other was a check down (defender broke it up) which would've maybe gotten 4 yards. So while he won't be getting 10 targets in a game this year, it's not like he's 2016 Blount, either. 

In the end it boils down to what options you've got. I'm not a "never bench your studs" guy, but I do consider Chubb a stud talent and he's in line for a large volume against a mid-tier defense, so I'm inclined to roll with him over just about anybody outside of the top 10. Remember, even in their blow out loss to the Chargers, Hyde still got 14 carries.

SCT said:
Just acquired him in dynasty!   My breida, Goff, Amari, Martin for Chubb, Ben, Watkins, cannon. 
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While I think this is an overall good trade for you (I like Cooper, but not Cooper + Dak, so nice sell high of Cooper), I agree with @davearm that you'll miss Goff. Franchise QB who just turned 24 a couple weeks ago. Top 3 dynasty QB, IMO.

To me, this is basically Goff+Cooper for Chubb. Watkins has little to no fantasy value to me. I'd be trying to flip him ASAP for someone that does have fantasy value. 

 
LionOfGosforth said:
Anyone else feel like this is a bad week waiting to happen? Not much involvement in the passing game to mitigate game-flow, Steelers likely to be ahead by a significant margin etc?
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Just because I decided to pick up PIT D for the next several weeks, and just because PIT plays at home, and just because they are a bit "embarrassed" about the tie in week 1, and just because I think the Steelers will put up points negating a big game from Chubb doesn't mean a thing lol. 

I own Chubb, but my choices come down to M Mack, K Johnson, M Ingram, N Chubb at RB, leaving FLEX open with Hilton also a possibility (already starting M Thomas and Cooks). Nice position to be in, but still gotta choose.  

 
FF Ninja said:
 all it takes is one long run or one goal line carry to flip that around into a decent game  - remember the Steelers' defense is actually just barely better (4.2) than league average (4.3) on a per carry basis. Also, he had two legitimate targets last week (as opposed to throw aways where he was in the vicinity) - one was under thrown which would've been a very nice gain and the other was a check down (defender broke it up) which would've maybe gotten 4 yards. 
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:goodposting:

 
Divisional gamed are always closer than regular games, it seems. 

It's one of those games I can see him easily getting 20+ carries, and lord knows he can rip any of those into an 80yd TD. 

Don't blame anyone for benching him, but he's good for any matchup

 
FF Ninja said:
I wouldn't do it. I really see Gurley upside with Chubb. The defense is up and coming, Baker could be the real deal, the OL is above average, and he's shown some early flashes of elite potential. At a minimum, he's already shown he's got breakaway speed which isn't easy to find in a 5'11" 227 frame.
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Wouldn't? I'm trying to get Chubb. I own him in another dynasty league. Trying to grab him in the other. 

I'm going to talk to him after the season I think. He's still in it for this year and I  have a lot of ammo to go get the guys I want. I could make him an offer he can't refuse. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
Wouldn't? I'm trying to get Chubb. I own him in another dynasty league. Trying to grab him in the other. 

I'm going to talk to him after the season I think. He's still in it for this year and I  have a lot of ammo to go get the guys I want. I could make him an offer he can't refuse. 
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Oh sorry, read it wrong. Thought you were trading him away for two 1sts. 

 
FF Ninja said:
Oh sorry, read it wrong. Thought you were trading him away for two 1sts. 
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I see good upside for him. As I said, I Have 6 first rounders, 5 of them are likely to be in the top 7. Once rookie fever sets in I'm going to try and pry a few players away using most of these picks. Chubb is first on my radar. I see some good upside with Chubb. Not Gurley, but definitely a solid dependable starter. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
I see good upside for him. As I said, I Have 6 first rounders, 5 of them are likely to be in the top 7. Once rookie fever sets in I'm going to try and pry a few players away using most of these picks. Chubb is first on my radar. I see some good upside with Chubb. Not Gurley, but definitely a solid dependable starter. 
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I missed one him last year and I regret it.  I had picks 3,4,5 and ended up with Penny, Michel, Jones in order.

I likely will have three, top six picks this year in the same range 3,4,5.  So I hope rookie fever becomes something.

 
Start him.

Even though the Browns have played 4 OTs Nick Chubb has barely been used up until last week.

He's got fresh legs no matter if won't do anything in the passing game and even if the Steelers are coming off a bye Nick hasn't had wear and tear that the Steeler defense has.

I have no idea what is going to happen with the game script, i.e., if the Steelers are going to jump to a big lead and force the Browns to pass and no one has a clue what Haley is going to do but I would run Chubb down their throat and hope to wear their run-D down but that is just me.  

I'd still start him with confidence based on his fresh legs this late in the season he's got a great opportunity to bust off a long run or overpower them with fresh legs.?

 
Gottabesweet said:
I missed one him last year and I regret it.  I had picks 3,4,5 and ended up with Penny, Michel, Jones in order.

I likely will have three, top six picks this year in the same range 3,4,5.  So I hope rookie fever becomes something.
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I had 1.1 1.2 and 1.6. I traded pick 1.6 to move down to 1.8, and then down again to 1.11. Ultimately grabbed a large number of players as a result- flipped some and others are instrumental to my rebuild. I had a terrible team. I thought Chubb would go at 1.3 or 1.4... he slipped to 1.6. I was very bummed and probably should have just waited until 1.6 to trade it. Lesson learned the hard way in my first dynasty draft, however I would be terribly hurting at several positions had I not traded down, so maybe I'm better off long term.

In my second dynasty draft I had pick 1.3 and 2 more late. Chubb was falling and I made a trade up to grab him I think at 1.8 or 1.9. Crazy that he dropped so low and I had been trying to trade up since 1.5 to get him. Ended up with Guice and Chubb there. 

Bracie Smathers said:
Start him.

Even though the Browns have played 4 OTs Nick Chubb has barely been used up until last week.

He's got fresh legs no matter if won't do anything in the passing game and even if the Steelers are coming off a bye Nick hasn't had wear and tear that the Steeler defense has.

I have no idea what is going to happen with the game script, i.e., if the Steelers are going to jump to a big lead and force the Browns to pass and no one has a clue what Haley is going to do but I would run Chubb down their throat and hope to wear their run-D down but that is just me.  

I'd still start him with confidence based on his fresh legs this late in the season he's got a great opportunity to bust off a long run or overpower them with fresh legs.?
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I am definitely starting him with confidence. I expect about 60 yards and a score. Seems about right with what PIT is giving up on the ground this year. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
I had 1.1 1.2 and 1.6. I traded pick 1.6 to move down to 1.8, and then down again to 1.11. Ultimately grabbed a large number of players as a result- flipped some and others are instrumental to my rebuild. I had a terrible team. I thought Chubb would go at 1.3 or 1.4... he slipped to 1.6. I was very bummed and probably should have just waited until 1.6 to trade it. Lesson learned the hard way in my first dynasty draft, however I would be terribly hurting at several positions had I not traded down, so maybe I'm better off long term.

In my second dynasty draft I had pick 1.3 and 2 more late. Chubb was falling and I made a trade up to grab him I think at 1.8 or 1.9. Crazy that he dropped so low and I had been trying to trade up since 1.5 to get him. Ended up with Guice and Chubb there. 

I am definitely starting him with confidence. I expect about 60 yards and a score. Seems about right with what PIT is giving up on the ground this year. 
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Some PPR catches would be nice.  If he doesn't score and ends up with 60 yards it's a flop.

Hoping for 60 rushing, 1TD and like 2-10 as a floor.

 
Bar gurley and saquon, every RB has has a flopper (or more), so of course it can happen. 

Anything less than 20 carries is a mistake, imo. He's the most dangerous weapon they have imo, and yes that includes landry

 
Soulfly3 said:
Divisional gamed are always closer than regular games, it seems. 

It's one of those games I can see him easily getting 20+ carries, and lord knows he can rip any of those into an 80yd TD. 

Don't blame anyone for benching him, but he's good for any matchup
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My Chubb is pumped right now, but I will have to Kerryon this week with Kamara. 

 
jdoggydogg said:
Well, you aren't the thread police. So coversations will run their course here despite your good intentions
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Ooof. I thought you were a touch better than this. JFC, this hijacking has gone on waaay too long. It's a couple pages of this bull#### now. There's a thread dedicated to dynasty talk. There's a thread dedicated to redraft trades. There's the buy low sell high thread which is a thinly veiled place to ask AC questions. Then there's the actual AC forum itself. Get this crap out of the Chubb thread. The specifics of the deal being discussed don't apply to the majority of us. When it gets that league specific it needs to go elsewhere. 

 
Playoffs week 14-16 for Elite RB Chubb

14 Carolina- tuff, not the greatest matchup 

15/16- Denver and Cincy. Top 5 (cin) and top 8 (den)  in most fantasy points against.

Anyone that doesn’t have him should try to pry him from unsuspecting owner, good luck. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
I see good upside for him. As I said, I Have 6 first rounders, 5 of them are likely to be in the top 7. Once rookie fever sets in I'm going to try and pry a few players away using most of these picks. Chubb is first on my radar. I see some good upside with Chubb. Not Gurley, but definitely a solid dependable starter. 
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If you got plenty of 1st rounders in 2019 and can afford to give up a few of them for Chubb, then do it.  I don't anticipate 2019 rookie draft to be great as recently this year and last year (they were exceptional great especially in RB depth).  Prior to this year's rookie draft, I had Chubb rated as 3rd behind Barkley and Guice.  I knew his talent would overcome Browns' muddy RB situation especially his breakaway speed (and power). 

 
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I'm going to spin last week's two targets this way: Cleveland knows they need to involve Chubb in the passing game, as they'll be playing from behind all game. A guy's gotta dream, right?

 
davearm said:
The initial offer opened the dialog.

Your reply slammed the dialog shut.

The first bogus offer signals "I'd like to make a deal".  Most seem to understand and accept that you're not going to get the other guy's best offer straight out of the gate.

The second says "I don't".
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I'm going to disagree.  The first offer says, "I want Chubb but have such a poor understanding of his value that negotiating with me with be painful and fruitless".  Which is why it's best to ignore.

 
Also, I kinda feel like selling Chubb today is like selling Google stock in 2004 instead of 2018.

This is a hold, value has nowhere to go but up.

 
(HULK) said:
I'm going to disagree.  The first offer says, "I want Chubb but have such a poor understanding of his value that negotiating with me with be painful and fruitless".  Which is why it's best to ignore.
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DO NOT get them started again here.  There's a new "trade art" post. 

 
(HULK) said:
I'm going to disagree.  The first offer says, "I want Chubb but have such a poor understanding of his value that negotiating with me with be painful and fruitless".  Which is why it's best to ignore.
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Careful. People get angry when we do trade talk.

 
I only got to watch a few plays, and Chubb didn't seem to have much room to run, as expected. Hoping for better days vs. the Chiefs.

 
Funny thing about the Browns, when they fall behind too far, instead of throwing it every down to catch up, they seem to give up on that front and just run their offense.

Also, Chubb got his first two catches of his NFL career yesterday.

 
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Have no idea what new Browns OC Kitchens is going to do but he was under Haley in Arizona where Ken Wisenhunt was the HC.  

Wisenhunt's offensive philosophy revolved around a strong running game, jes say'n.

Freddie Kitchens takes over for Todd Haley as Browns offensive coordinator

Kitchens, 43, is replacing his one-time mentor. The former Alabama starting quarterback got his big NFL coaching break under Haley in Arizona as the Cardinals’ tight ends coach. Haley was the team’s offensive coordinator under head coach Ken Whisenhunt.
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Evaluating the Offense with OC Ken Whisenhunt

*Chargers.com: *Right now in the middle of May, what are your general overall thoughts on the offense?  What is your focus on?

*Whisenhunt: *Well, obviously we want to be better overall.  The number one thing that comes to mind is running the football. 

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Have no idea what new Browns OC Kitchens is going to do but he was under Haley in Arizona where Ken Wisenhunt was the HC.  

Wisenhunt's offensive philosophy revolved around a strong running game, jes say'n.

Freddie Kitchens takes over for Todd Haley as Browns offensive coordinator

Evaluating the Offense with OC Ken Whisenhunt

*Chargers.com: *Right now in the middle of May, what are your general overall thoughts on the offense?  What is your focus on?

*Whisenhunt: *Well, obviously we want to be better overall.  The number one thing that comes to mind is running the football. 
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:hifive:

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Have no idea what new Browns OC Kitchens is going to do but he was under Haley in Arizona where Ken Wisenhunt was the HC.  

Wisenhunt's offensive philosophy revolved around a strong running game, jes say'n.

Freddie Kitchens takes over for Todd Haley as Browns offensive coordinator

Evaluating the Offense with OC Ken Whisenhunt

*Chargers.com: *Right now in the middle of May, what are your general overall thoughts on the offense?  What is your focus on?

*Whisenhunt: *Well, obviously we want to be better overall.  The number one thing that comes to mind is running the football. 
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well he was the rb's coach.   so i'm gonna tell myself that's a good thing until proven otherwise

 
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