RB Nyheim Hines, LAC (1 Viewer)

[sushinsky4tsar]

So was this what Frank Reich meant by "if I played fantasy I would pick Nyheim Hines" ?

Probably a nice weapon to add to the arsenal. Unfortunately, I don't see any path to reliable fantasy production. Favorite sleeper pick in August that just didn't work out, even with the JT injury.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So was this what Frank Reich meant by "if I played fantasy I would pick Nyheim Hines" ?

Probably a nice weapon to add to the arsenal. Unfortunately, I don't see any path to reliable fantasy production. Favorite sleeper pick in August that just didn't work out, even with the JT injury.

Just muddies the water for Cook & Singletary, really.

 

[-OZ-]

So was this what Frank Reich meant by "if I played fantasy I would pick Nyheim Hines" ?

Probably a nice weapon to add to the arsenal. Unfortunately, I don't see any path to reliable fantasy production. Favorite sleeper pick in August that just didn't work out, even with the JT injury.

You’re probably right, but the bills clearly want a pass catching RB after not getting mckissic and cooks hasn’t gotten there yet.
He’s not a rb1 or even 2 probably, but for flex during bye weeks in ppr? I’m in.

 

[BobbyLayne]

that is one expensive satellite back (but guarantees are done so they can move on if they want.)

$6M tutor for Cook?

agree with @Hot Sauce Guy this one is hard to understand bc Cook has looked great

kills the value of both backups on paper, we’ll see how it plays out

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

So was this what Frank Reich meant by "if I played fantasy I would pick Nyheim Hines" ?

Probably a nice weapon to add to the arsenal. Unfortunately, I don't see any path to reliable fantasy production. Favorite sleeper pick in August that just didn't work out, even with the JT injury.

You’re probably right, but the bills clearly want a pass catching RB after not getting mckissic and cooks hasn’t gotten there yet.
He’s not a rb1 or even 2 probably, but for flex during bye weeks in ppr? I’m in.

Gave up on him in redraft, but still holding in dynasty. If Cook is going to get the redshirt treatment, then I'm still in on him as a desperation flex. Almost like McKenzie at the WR position. There are worse things than being traded to this offense.

With Moss gone, is Singletary the grinder of this backfield now? IF someone other than Allen was going to run it up the gut on 1st & goal from the 2, would it potentially be either of these three backs?

 

[BobbyLayne]

IF someone other than Allen was going to run it up the gut on 1st & goal from the 2, would it potentially be either of these three backs?

BUF RBs have 1 rushing TD on the year

 

[Gally]

With Moss gone, is Singletary the grinder of this backfield now? IF someone other than Allen was going to run it up the gut on 1st & goal from the 2, would it potentially be either of these three backs?

Moss has been inactive the last few weeks. Singletary has been the main runner from the RB position all year in games that are in question. Cook has really only gotten run when the games have been decided (which there have been a lot of those). When in doubt Singletary has dominated RB touches. He has been a solid RB2 and I don't think this move changes that.

 

[JohnnyU]

LOL, I suppose the Colts now feel they don't need an outlet when that great OL breaks down.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

IF someone other than Allen was going to run it up the gut on 1st & goal from the 2, would it potentially be either of these three backs?

BUF RBs have 1 rushing TD on the year

I get that there isn't a lot of meat on this bone, but there are going to be some PIs in the endzone setting up 1st & goal from the 1. Allen throwing or running isn't always going to be the answer 10-out-of-10 times, even if it's the answer most of the time.

Thanks @Gally That was my impression since Moss has been mothballed, but I wasn't sure if Singletary was the only back asked to get some of the tough yards.

 

[tricky92]

So was this what Frank Reich meant by "if I played fantasy I would pick Nyheim Hines" ?

Probably a nice weapon to add to the arsenal. Unfortunately, I don't see any path to reliable fantasy production. Favorite sleeper pick in August that just didn't work out, even with the JT injury.

You’re probably right, but the bills clearly want a pass catching RB after not getting mckissic and cooks hasn’t gotten there yet.
He’s not a rb1 or even 2 probably, but for flex during bye weeks in ppr? I’m in.

Gave up on him in redraft, but still holding in dynasty. If Cook is going to get the redshirt treatment, then I'm still in on him as a desperation flex. Almost like McKenzie at the WR position. There are worse things than being traded to this offense.

With Moss gone, is Singletary the grinder of this backfield now? IF someone other than Allen was going to run it up the gut on 1st & goal from the 2, would it potentially be either of these three backs?

They've been using Singletary between the tackles since week 14 of last year. He's looked the part whenever I see them play. Little guy, but built like a tank.

 

[-OZ-]

So was this what Frank Reich meant by "if I played fantasy I would pick Nyheim Hines" ?

Probably a nice weapon to add to the arsenal. Unfortunately, I don't see any path to reliable fantasy production. Favorite sleeper pick in August that just didn't work out, even with the JT injury.

You’re probably right, but the bills clearly want a pass catching RB after not getting mckissic and cooks hasn’t gotten there yet.
He’s not a rb1 or even 2 probably, but for flex during bye weeks in ppr? I’m in.

Gave up on him in redraft, but still holding in dynasty. If Cook is going to get the redshirt treatment, then I'm still in on him as a desperation flex. Almost like McKenzie at the WR position. There are worse things than being traded to this offense.

With Moss gone, is Singletary the grinder of this backfield now? IF someone other than Allen was going to run it up the gut on 1st & goal from the 2, would it potentially be either of these three backs?

They've been using Singletary between the tackles since week 14 of last year. He's looked the part whenever I see them play. Little guy, but built like a tank.

He’s actually pretty good in that role, I think partly because they don’t do it as often as some teams. This isn’t really thunder and lightning redux but they could be used in a similar way.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

that is one expensive satellite back (but guarantees are done so they can move on if they want.)

$6M tutor fir Cook?

agree with @Hot Sauce Guy this one is hard to understand bc Cook has looked great

kills the value of both backups on paper, we’ll see how it plays out

Not to mention the draft capital spent on Cook seems somewhat wasted.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Gave nothing for him. Literally.

Clear indicating Colts were moving on after this year as well. Jackson showed more as an all around option in 1 start than Hines has shown in 5 seasons.

Gives Bills additional receiving option (backfield/slot) for rest of 2022. JMO They move on after the season.

 

[fatness]

BUF RBs have 1 rushing TD on the year

Going forward we can expect them to split the rushing TD's 0.3/0.3/0.3.

 

[King of the Jungle]

For dynasty Cook holders Hines will be a great teacher for the young guy, hopefully a short term speed bump.

 

[BobbyLayne]

For dynasty Cook holders Hines will be a great teacher for the young guy, hopefully a short term speed bump.

$6M tutor for Cook?

 

[King of the Jungle]

For dynasty Cook holders Hines will be a great teacher for the young guy, hopefully a short term speed bump.

$6M tutor for Cook?

This year Hines helps the Bills out tremendously with his reliable veteran skillset. Yes, I believe Cook is in a great position to learn from the veteran. Next year he can be cut if the Bills desire without financial impact. Not sure what your point is?

 

[BobbyLayne]

For dynasty Cook holders Hines will be a great teacher for the young guy, hopefully a short term speed bump.

$6M tutor for Cook?

This year Hines helps the Bills out tremendously with his reliable veteran skillset. Yes, I believe Cook is in a great position to learn from the veteran. Next year he can be cut if the Bills desire without financial impact. Not sure what your point is?

that we’re in agreement

that was the point

 

[King of the Jungle]

For dynasty Cook holders Hines will be a great teacher for the young guy, hopefully a short term speed bump.

$6M tutor for Cook?

This year Hines helps the Bills out tremendously with his reliable veteran skillset. Yes, I believe Cook is in a great position to learn from the veteran. Next year he can be cut if the Bills desire without financial impact. Not sure what your point is?

that we’re in agreement

that was the point

My apologies, I missed your post and thought that you were questioning that scenario as if it did not make sense. I will keep practicing my reading in hopes of improving my future posts.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I think this is also marginally less about Cook and more about Moss who really brought nothing to the table. Adding Hines also gives them an experienced punt returner and a guy who on 3rd downs and two minute drives can be counted on to be in the right spot and make plays in the passing game reliably. Bills went after McKissic this last off-season and I think that was brought on by watching McKinnon come up with several big plays in the passing game against them in the playoffs. This gives them that weapon but with veteran experience (compared to Cook). Team is built to win now and this is a great move for them.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

IMO he is more of a Crowder replacement, than a Cook replacement. First, he can man the slot when needed. Second, as previously stated he can tutor Cook in the RB room. Third, he can return punts, freeing up Shakar to focus on the WR room and not have to go to special teams practice/meetings. Lastly he sets a price point, and gives them an option, for the upcoming free agent Singletary.

Win, win, win ,win.

 

[-OZ-]

IMO he is more of a Crowder replacement, than a Cook replacement. First, he can man the slot when needed. Second, as previously stated he can tutor Cook in the RB room. Third, he can return punts, freeing up Shakar to focus on the WR room and not have to go to special teams practice/meetings. Lastly he sets a price point, and gives them an option, for the upcoming free agent Singletary.

Win, win, win ,win.

Bottom line imo - he gives one of the true elite QBs another tool in his Arsenal. McKenzie hasn’t been consistently good either. (Which probably goes to your point about shakir)

 

[BobbyLayne]

My apologies

all good brother man

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Josh doesn’t really utilize his RBs in check downs at all - he’s always look to push the ball downfield, and he’ll take himself if it’s not there.

Buffalo RBs are the least utilized in the NFL. By far the fewest carries, but the good news is Singletary gets most of them. Hasn’t been a share since about 50 weeks or so ago.

Hines might find a role with the team but more than anything it’s just adding a depth piece. Another slot guy, another PR, an occasional screen, 1-3 rush attempts.

The only way Cook was realistically have more opportunities hasn’t changed. If Devon is healthy he’s just an occasional CoP and mop up duty when they’re up a few scores.

They unnecessarily brought in Sanders when they already had Davis, they preferred Crowder even when Shakir had a better TC/PS Shakir, now they’ve traded for a vet when they have rookie who can do the job.

These high quality problems are the opposite of dysfunction; they prefer to trust veterans who have shown they can do it over letting young guys prove they step up. Injuries are weekly reality and kudos to the Bills for keeping the roster stocked.

 

[humpback]

IMO he is more of a Crowder replacement, than a Cook replacement. First, he can man the slot when needed. Second, as previously stated he can tutor Cook in the RB room. Third, he can return punts, freeing up Shakar to focus on the WR room and not have to go to special teams practice/meetings. Lastly he sets a price point, and gives them an option, for the upcoming free agent Singletary.

Win, win, win ,win.

He isn't a win in the Singletary decision IMO. He's averaged a little over 4 carries per game in his career so he isn't going to be an option to replace him, and If anything it hurts their leverage as Hines makes pretty good money while Singletary has been far more productive.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

IMO he is more of a Crowder replacement, than a Cook replacement. First, he can man the slot when needed. Second, as previously stated he can tutor Cook in the RB room. Third, he can return punts, freeing up Shakar to focus on the WR room and not have to go to special teams practice/meetings. Lastly he sets a price point, and gives them an option, for the upcoming free agent Singletary.

Win, win, win ,win.

He's a utility infielder all teams going to the post season would want
He's a jack of all trades
He's an insurance policy
He's a film room leader
He's a lot of things and he doesn't have to really touch the ball to have some impact there. Cook could come on the last 7-8 weeks of the season and expand the Buffalo arsenal

Sincerely,
Fearful Miami Fan

 

[Godsbrother]

Dumped Cook in redraft.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dumped Cook in redraft.

Really depends on roster size probably. Our league is 18x12 with two IR spots. Hold for now. I’ll have 3 WRs coming off IR in the next 3 weeks, and by then we’ll have a clearer picture.

I have both Cook and Hines. Was planning on dropping Nyheim and probably still will, unless Josh Allen becomes a different kind of QB. There’s literally nothing appealing on the WW so NBD. Always viewed Cook as break glass in case something happens to Singletary; still the case IMO.

 

[SoBeDad]

Hynes is the fastest weapon for the Bills. He was 10.34 at 100 meters in the ACC, and 4.38 in his combine 40. This gives the Bills many personnel options ... and depth for injury. Bad for fantasy purposes.

It might help the Bills DST if Hynes returns punts and the Bills offense scores even more points.

 

[ekbeats]

Hynes is the fastest weapon for the Bills. He was 10.34 at 100 meters in the ACC, and 4.38 in his combine 40. This gives the Bills many personnel options ... and depth for injury. Bad for fantasy purposes.

It might help the Bills DST if Hynes returns punts and the Bills offense scores even more points.

Jeepers - that is fast. But then again that was when he was a Senior in college. Your truly used to be able to dunk a tennis ball at that age. Now I jump and can barely get off the ground.

Singletary has been doing a great job this year, so I think Hynes’s role will be limited. The whole trade doesn’t make sense to me. Can Hynes do some thing that Singletary absolutely can’t? Personally, I don’t think so.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Hynes is the fastest weapon for the Bills. He was 10.34 at 100 meters in the ACC, and 4.38 in his combine 40. This gives the Bills many personnel options ... and depth for injury. Bad for fantasy purposes.

It might help the Bills DST if Hynes returns punts and the Bills offense scores even more points.

Jeepers - that is fast. But then again that was when he was a Senior in college. Your truly used to be able to dunk a tennis ball at that age. Now I jump and can barely get off the ground.

Singletary has been doing a great job this year, so I think Hynes’s role will be limited. The whole trade doesn’t make sense to me. Can Hynes do some thing that Singletary absolutely can’t? Personally, I don’t think so.

He hit the NextGen fastest ball carrier top ten list back in 2020 - 21.85 mph was 8th fastest on the year. He can still motor.

 

[Ilov80s]

Panicked and overpaid for him. I literally didn’t have a 2nd RB to start this week. I could have got Cook for free which may have been the better move.

 

[Obie Wan]

Hynes is the fastest weapon for the Bills. He was 10.34 at 100 meters in the ACC, and 4.38 in his combine 40. This gives the Bills many personnel options ... and depth for injury. Bad for fantasy purposes.

It might help the Bills DST if Hynes returns punts and the Bills offense scores even more points.

Jeepers - that is fast. But then again that was when he was a Senior in college. Your truly used to be able to dunk a tennis ball at that age. Now I jump and can barely get off the ground.

Singletary has been doing a great job this year, so I think Hynes’s role will be limited. The whole trade doesn’t make sense to me. Can Hynes do some thing that Singletary absolutely can’t? Personally, I don’t think so.

except run fast
more about putting McKenzie on the bench for KO returns and taking over punt returns.

Josh always looking the big play.
not likely from Devin so limited throws, but much better odds from Hines of taking it the house- will lead to more throws

 

[(HULK)]

I think anyone thinking Buffalo isn't going to play with their new toy isn't thinking clearly. He's not going to be their primary ball carrier, but I'd expect that starting this weekend you'll see him in relief, on passing downs, and in the slot some. Probably a couple gadget plays designed for him specifically. This weekend should be the first taste but they'll keep adding to it as he acclimates to their system too.

 

[tricky92]

This dude gets drafted every year with high hopes, and is dumped by week 4.

If he somehow becomes a thing in Buffalo this season, I'll be utterly shocked. Stranger things have happened, I suppose.

 

[GroveDiesel]

IMO he is more of a Crowder replacement, than a Cook replacement. First, he can man the slot when needed. Second, as previously stated he can tutor Cook in the RB room. Third, he can return punts, freeing up Shakar to focus on the WR room and not have to go to special teams practice/meetings. Lastly he sets a price point, and gives them an option, for the upcoming free agent Singletary.

Win, win, win ,win.

He isn't a win in the Singletary decision IMO. He's averaged a little over 4 carries per game in his career so he isn't going to be an option to replace him, and If anything it hurts their leverage as Hines makes pretty good money while Singletary has been far more productive.

Hines isn’t a replacement for Singletary, he’d be the replacement for Cook. Cook will likely be the replacement for Singletary.

 

[fatness]

He's a utility infielder all teams going to the post season would want
He's a jack of all trades
He's an insurance policy
He's a film room leader
He's a lot of things and he doesn't have to really touch the ball to have some impact there. Cook could come on the last 7-8 weeks of the season and expand the Buffalo arsenal

She's got a great personality.
All the other girls like her.
She makes all her own clothes.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I think anyone thinking Buffalo isn't going to play with their new toy isn't thinking clearly. He's not going to be their primary ball carrier, but I'd expect that starting this weekend you'll see him in relief, on passing downs, and in the slot some. Probably a couple gadget plays designed for him specifically. This weekend should be the first taste but they'll keep adding to it as he acclimates to their system too.

O/U on touches in this upcoming game? I put it at 3.5 and I take the under.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I think anyone thinking Buffalo isn't going to play with their new toy isn't thinking clearly. He's not going to be their primary ball carrier, but I'd expect that starting this weekend you'll see him in relief, on passing downs, and in the slot some. Probably a couple gadget plays designed for him specifically. This weekend should be the first taste but they'll keep adding to it as he acclimates to their system too.

O/U on touches in this upcoming game? I put it at 3.5 and I take the under.

1-2

 

[(HULK)]

I think anyone thinking Buffalo isn't going to play with their new toy isn't thinking clearly. He's not going to be their primary ball carrier, but I'd expect that starting this weekend you'll see him in relief, on passing downs, and in the slot some. Probably a couple gadget plays designed for him specifically. This weekend should be the first taste but they'll keep adding to it as he acclimates to their system too.

O/U on touches in this upcoming game? I put it at 3.5 and I take the under.

I'd go over. If I had to guess, I'd say he gets 5 to 6 targets and 2 to 4 carries.

 

[humpback]

IMO he is more of a Crowder replacement, than a Cook replacement. First, he can man the slot when needed. Second, as previously stated he can tutor Cook in the RB room. Third, he can return punts, freeing up Shakar to focus on the WR room and not have to go to special teams practice/meetings. Lastly he sets a price point, and gives them an option, for the upcoming free agent Singletary.

Win, win, win ,win.

He isn't a win in the Singletary decision IMO. He's averaged a little over 4 carries per game in his career so he isn't going to be an option to replace him, and If anything it hurts their leverage as Hines makes pretty good money while Singletary has been far more productive.

Hines isn’t a replacement for Singletary, he’d be the replacement for Cook. Cook will likely be the replacement for Singletary.

That's what I said, he isn't a replacement for Singletary, and he isn't good for leverage against him either as he makes a lot of money for a lesser role.

 

[Smack Tripper]

I think anyone thinking Buffalo isn't going to play with their new toy isn't thinking clearly. He's not going to be their primary ball carrier, but I'd expect that starting this weekend you'll see him in relief, on passing downs, and in the slot some. Probably a couple gadget plays designed for him specifically. This weekend should be the first taste but they'll keep adding to it as he acclimates to their system too.

O/U on touches in this upcoming game? I put it at 3.5 and I take the under.

I'd go over. If I had to guess, I'd say he gets 5 to 6 targets and 2 to 4 carries.

this is where Im at

 

[BobbyLayne]

Hines 10 touch games by year

2018 - 6
2019 - 2
2020 - 7
2021 - 3
2022 - 0

New team so who knows, eh. But historically Nyheim has been impossible to rely upon bc so often it depends on game script. He’s not a particularly good or consistent runner.

Buffalo has never employed a 3rd down specialist a la James White or Theo Riddick. They have a pretty successful scheme and I don’t see them changing it to fit Hines skill set.

 

[The Kerminator]

Bills tried signing McKissic in the off-season. Drafted James Cook. Now trade for Hines. Seems to me they seem to have a package in mind and are trying to find a RB to fit it.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Bills tried signing McKissic in the off-season. Drafted James Cook. Now trade for Hines. Seems to me they seem to have a package in mind and are trying to find a RB to fit it.

I think the package is called "recognition that Zack Moss sucks".

 

[SoBeDad]

Hines 10 touch games by year

2018 - 6
2019 - 2
2020 - 7
2021 - 3
2022 - 0

New team so who knows, eh. But historically Nyheim has been impossible to rely upon bc so often it depends on game script. He’s not a particularly good or consistent runner.

Buffalo has never employed a 3rd down specialist a la James White or Theo Riddick. They have a pretty successful scheme and I don’t see them changing it to fit Hines skill set.

Hines is a track guy whose football skills are just ok. If you watch video of his 2 punt return TDs in one game in 2019, and the 34 yard TD run in 2021, you can see his speed. He's better as a receiver than runner. His career is better than Olympic winner Jim Hines who was drafted by the Dolphins in 1968 and ended his NFL career with a grand total of 2 receptions for only 23 yards per wikipedia.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Panicked and overpaid for him. I literally didn’t have a 2nd RB to start this week. I could have got Cook for free which may have been the better move.

I’ve got 8 guys on bye or IR this week (true story) and I’m not even thinking about Cook or Hines as a possibility lol.

We have 10 starters (18x12 rosters + 2 IR) so at least it’s a pretty easy week for lineup decisions.

 

[Ilov80s]

I’ve got 8 guys on bye or IR this week (true story) and I’m not even thinking about Cook or Hines as a possibility lol.

We have 10 starters (18x12 rosters + 2 IR) so at least it’s a pretty easy week for lineup decisions.

Yeah I have Saquon and CMC. Traded for a very cheap Hunt a couple weeks ago so I could at least have him to cover CMC’s bye but then he got traded. All 3 on bye and my only other RB is Rachaad White. Best waiver option was I thought was Hines/Cook. Second guessing it a bit now.

 

[Judge Smails]

This should be a great fit. Gives Allen a big threat out of the backfield

 

[BobbyLayne]

I’ve got 8 guys on bye or IR this week (true story) and I’m not even thinking about Cook or Hines as a possibility lol.

We have 10 starters (18x12 rosters + 2 IR) so at least it’s a pretty easy week for lineup decisions.

Yeah I have Saquon and CMC. Traded for a very cheap Hunt a couple weeks ago so I could at least have him to cover CMC’s bye but then he got traded. All 3 on bye and my only other RB is Rachaad White. Best waiver option was I thought was Hines/Cook. Second guessing it a bit now.

just one week, you're in great shape ROS

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cut Brian Robinson to pick him up at the end of my bench, not expecting a lot but it doesn't hurt to have pieces of this offense sitting around on your bench.