msudaisy26
Footballguy
If you are correct then the entire Dolphins offense should be a stay away including Gordon.
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RB Ollie Gordon II, MIA (2 Viewers)
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If you are correct then the entire Dolphins offense should be a stay away including Gordon.
Todem
Footballguy
100%
Stay Away.
Maybe some early returns.......but this offense will be as good as it's OL and that is a **** show folks.....they stink.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think any player is truly a stay away in the 14th round. Every RB and WR at that point needs a couple minor miracles to have an impact. But I can't fault anyone for just wanting to avoid this team all together and take their shots somewhere else.
Todem
Footballguy
14th round? worth a pick.
Achane is the only guy with real FF value and his handcuff....just on volume. But this offense is gonna be bad. And McDaniel will be fired before seasons end IMO. This team is a ticking time bomb.
Only if Tua goes down and you can miss me with saying that's a guarantee.
I'm not sure if this from the Miami Herald is out there:
>>Jaylen Wright is expected to miss weeks because of a lower-body injury, Mike McDaniel said. A further update is expected Monday afternoon.<<
So they're down to 1 healthy RB, after cutting the 2 they just added. They could add Jeff Wilson, likely to be
by the 49ers. That could be competition for carries.
Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article311680898.html#storylink=cpy
>>Jaylen Wright is expected to miss weeks because of a lower-body injury, Mike McDaniel said. A further update is expected Monday afternoon.<<
So they're down to 1 healthy RB, after cutting the 2 they just added. They could add Jeff Wilson, likely to be
by the 49ers. That could be competition for carries. Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article311680898.html#storylink=cpy
Todem
Footballguy
It will be regardless. That OL is bottom of the barrel.
Todem
Footballguy
It already begins.I'm not sure if this from the Miami Herald is out there:
>>Jaylen Wright is expected to miss weeks because of a lower-body injury, Mike McDaniel said. A further update is expected Monday afternoon.<<
So they're down to 1 healthy RB, after cutting the 2 they just added. They could add Jeff Wilson, likely to be
Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article311680898.html#storylink=cpy
Not at all, should be a top 10 scoring team with Tua upright.
Todem
Footballguy
Let's check back mid season....you underestimate just how poor this OL is.
I'm happy providing my receipts and I think you under estimate how bad the OL was last year and how effective the offense was in spite of it, at least when Tua was playing.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Has to be more than just upright though. The way it looked late last year was an offense that had to get the ball out super quick. All indications are they spent the offseason trying to push it further. Achane and Hill could be PPR monsters in it, but will they be effective?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Huh. Just watched the whole thing. He doesn’t look awkward to me at all. Reminds me of Brandon Jacobs.I'm an Achane truther, always have been, but even I can acknowledge it would be wise to lighten his load a bit. Giving someone else goaline and short yardage would be a great start but Achane's efficiency in those situations are also what makes him great, so the Dolphins are in a bit of a pickle.
I'm with you that I'm just not sure Gordon is the guy to be Achane's Robin He looks awkward running the ball if I'm being honest. His legs look super long and he runs upright. TBH, I liked what I saw from Wright last year more than what I've seen from Gordon so far in preseason and Wright didn't exactly light the world on fire.
Here are Gordon's preseason touches.
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Let me rephrase what I'm saying.
Last year the OL was by some metrics the absolute worst in the league. With their best offensive player having a wrist injury that season ending surgery was recommended they still averaged 25 PPG in Tua's full starts.
They masked the OL issue by in part getting the ball out super quickly and using Achane in space as an extension of the running game. I'm sure they'd like to throw more downfield shots this year, be able to had off to Achane and let him run like his rookie season, but in the end McDaniels has shown he'll adjust the offense accordingly and I see no reason that will change or he won't adapt. He's a faulty head coach but he's still an outstanding offensive mind. So if they got to run an offense predictated on getting the ball out I fully expect that's what they'll do.
Todem
Footballguy
my over under on games Tua plays this season is 8.
Taking the under on that tissue paper QB. Forget the head injury risk....he is made of glass. His hip is degenerative, bad ankles and seems to have some sort of rib or finger injury every year that keeps him out. SOFT. The beating is gonna take will be bad.
I would take the under
Ok.
I tried to avoid this kind of take that assumes a guy who played 17 games the previous season is going to miss most of the season. Ya’ll do you.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
He’s actually played more than 8 games every season. Which makes setting the over-under at 8 very odd.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I appreciate the debate here. Ultimately I think we disagree in that 1) the OL still looks to be among the very worst in the league 2) McDaniel mostly looks like a 1-trick pony to me. He doesn't seem to adapt very well. I'd describe late last season as more of a turtle going into its shell than savvy strategy.
But I have a team in a league I really want to win in with Hill and Gordon now...so hope you're right.
the spanker
Footballguy
Anyone out there seeing this as an opportunity to draft Achane in late 1st? I have 9th pick. I know savvy drafters in my league won't let him go around the turn so if you're gonna grab him, you have to reach a little.
rockaction
Footballguy
Their OL is getting abused by the beat reporters and others. It's trashed on Twitter. And I don't see how having such a bad offensive line that you have run that offense that they ran last year could possibly be a positive. It can't.
Same and fwiw I did not say it was among the worst in the league this year. It might be, tbd, not sure if the changes they made are going to work, but I was talking about the performance of the OL last year where some metrics had them dead last as group overall and in that context they still scored well in Tua's games.
I thought this at one point last year as well. Pretty sure somewhere I posted that he looked like a guy who just got extended and looked more like he was more concerned with "looking cool" then putting in the work to be a good coach anymore. I know I specifically was critical of him for having a team with two highly paid WR's as the focal point of the offense and he just seemed to roll over and allow teams to take them out of the game with no fight or adjustment.
But the more I examined the offensive output, when they had Tua at least, I started to think maybe I was wrong. That in fact he made the necessary adjustments in line with a team with a poor OL, a QB you don't want treated like a pinata when playing teams hyper focused on not letting you beat them deep. He turned Achane into the most targetted RB in the league, oversaw a year 8 breakout by Jonnu and as mentioned had the offense right around 10th in PPG with Tua at QB, in the 25 PPG range.
It sucked for Tyreek and Waddle and that frustrated me and a lot of others and McDaniels could not gameplan around the crappy backup QB's but again when I look at the offensive output with Tua at QB it was hard for me to continue being critical.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I'm saying I expect them to be among the worst again
I actuallly was not trying to debate that but to point out they were already arguably the worst OL in the league and the offense was still good when Tua was able to play.I'm saying I expect them to be among the worst again
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Great comp. High end obviously but easy to see it. Even has those long arms. Snagged him in a couple leagues after your post.
Todem
Footballguy
He sucks…….period. This team has done absolutely nothing save for 8 games in 2023 and they died like they always do in December.
He can’t compete vs winning teams. Take a look at his lifetime record vs teams over .500
Fantasy wise he is fools gold. This offense is total fools gold again in 2025 save for Achane.
Todem
Footballguy
Tua played 17 games in 2024?
He has finished a complete season exactly once in his 5 year career.
With this OL and his head injury history I am betting under 8.
But anyway you do you believing this is a top 10 offense by year end.
We will check back.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Again, he’s played more than 8 games every season.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Already flipped him to the Achane owner for Njoku and a 5th (keep 4 so really a 9th) next year 
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Damn. Well done. I was able to add him to Wilson to get Jaxon. You did great.Already flipped him to the Achane owner for Njoku and a 5th (keep 4 so really a 9th) next year
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
On his next inevitable concussion...he scrambled twice in a meaningless preseason game last weekend, btw why was he even on the field? Put a pin in that for a second...
The media wanted him to retire after the Bills' concussion last season...just a simple one that would be a 1-2 week protocol for most very likely will be his last
If that happens in week 2 or 3, it's gonna be a long season for the fan base again
Todem is correct that Miami folds like a cheap tent in December/January and its been like that for over 20 years now
Tua was almost the last QB drafted in one of my local leagues this past Sunday, 20 were taken
Football Jones
Footballguy
Gordon is definitely a better stash, IMO (long-term). Blue probably has an advantage right now due to lesser competition, but I suspect his ceiling is a decent 3rd down back after the dust settles, at best.
Ollie has starting-type talent. Just have to see how things shake out in Miami in a year or two. The good news is he's 21 years old so there's time.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Back to OG2, he's looked good in the preseason
Desert_Power
Footballguy
He does look good. The only Dolphin I've really liked watching in the preseason.
zamboni
Footballguy
You’ve mentioned a few times how bad the OL is. How do we know this without being in the trenches?
Not meaning to single you out, but I hear this OL speculation all the time and I don’t understand where the basis comes from. I even started a thread on this very issue a few months back.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
First of all the Shark Pool does not care about OL
I've fired up many of them over the years and they are one of the least posted in threads I've seen
With PFF now you can get some idea based on the ratings but again not sure how they factor it all into their scores and rankings
Pro-Bowl Left Tackle retired, replaced with 2nd round pick Patrick Paul from Draft'24...
The Right Tackle-Austin Jackson has been injured. HC says he is "on track" for Week 1 but he missed most of last year and he's struggled a lot since Miami drafted him 1st round in 2020
The Center, Aaron Brewer ranked 7th on PFF last season but any Miami fan will tell you on short yardage that Miami couldn't do it last season and so far this year, they had to run it 4x inside the 1 vs the Bears, that might have even happened twice. Brewer is very undersized and @Bri who follows the Titans is in disbelief Miami is sticking with him still
Miami has replaced the LG and RG spots with a veteran James Daniels who missed 12 games last year for the Steelers and a 2nd Rd rookie Savaiinaea, i'd like to buy a vowel please
I think I wrote about them in the Phins thread, was semi-excited at first but the reality of what they are wheeling out there is sinking in.
Armstead-Connor WIlliams and Robery Hunt were all anchoring the OL in 2023, since injuries, FA and Armstead retiring, it's been pretty much downhill since.
For a team that HAS to HAVE their starting QB not take hits...not exactly committed to keeping him upright
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3nOut
Footballguy
Achane is the starter, period. I think the Dolphins will give Wright the backup job once he gets back and Gordon will be relegated to third string, even with a good start. Wright hasn't look great in the pre-season but thats what it is - the pre-season. I think it will take more than many think for him to lose that job.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
This is probably the best take. That said, Wright could quickly lose his 2nd string spot based on how poor he looked.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't think anyone is questioning Achane is the starter. What they are looking at is he's a smaller back missing practice in late August with a calf inury. He might be fine but he might not. As for Wright, he wasn't just bad in preseason. He was bad last year. And he's also hurt, with the team already conceding he's likely to miss the start of the season.
Wright is still very much a short term IR candidate, they just ran out of spots to do it right now.
hankmurphy
Footballguy
Wright hasn’t looked good in the regular season either.
>>Grier says the Dolphins asked Ollie Gordon to drop some weight and he came back 9-10 pounds lighter (back to his 2023 Doak Walker winning weight). They're extremely pleased with the way he works.<<
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Wright now reported to have had surgery. McDaniel said, "Septemberish" for his return. Interesting. This is the window Ollie needs to cement himself as the clear #2.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
no Laurel and Hardy jokes?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Seems like a pretty clear path to solidify the two spot and a good handcuff to Achane for at least the short term. I was also impressed with his receiving usage this preseason, running a couple routes from slot and a wheel route. He has lengthy arms and seemingly above average hands. If he can continue to improve and familiarize himself with the system he will find some touches and probably get goal line looks.
zamboni
Footballguy
Well, here's another fine mess Achane has gotten me into.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Didn’t Mostert score a lot of short GL TDs that year? Ollie can do that I think. Biggest concern is that the offense just won’t be anywhere near as prolific in 2025 as it was in 2023.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Why is it that the offense can’t be anywhere near as prolific this year? As long as Tua, Achane, Waddle, and Hill are healthy - I don’t see why the offense can’t put up big numbers again.
I was waaaaay out on the Dolphins situation this offseason, but I’m coming back around as we get closer to kickoff. I’m still not brave enough to take Achane in the early 2nd. But I’m really liking the value of Hill and Waddle, and then a later dart toss at Gordon.
