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RB Ray Davis, BUF (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Incredible story.
He’s gonna put a cap on Cook’s FF value. Bills love their big short yardage backs. One’s not named Allen, I mean. heh
20 lbs heavier than Cook. The new Latavious Murray?
Moonlight
Footballguy
Found his 3 down back potential enticing. He has been described as having downfield receiving ability additionally.
Cook had a very good year in 2023 but think Bills would like to keep his 190 pound body intact for the full season and open up carries to Davis similar to the Gibbs/Montgomery situation in Detroit.
Also Cook had very few goal line carries and do not see that changing with Allen and Davis as the other options.
Cook had a very good year in 2023 but think Bills would like to keep his 190 pound body intact for the full season and open up carries to Davis similar to the Gibbs/Montgomery situation in Detroit.
Also Cook had very few goal line carries and do not see that changing with Allen and Davis as the other options.
pinequick
Footballguy
Is this guy that much better than Zach Moss? Zach Moss with two seasons of 5 TDs each (in 2020 & 2021) and zero in 2022 in Buffalo? Who never eclipsed 500 rushing yards? Just not sure there's that much to go around with Josh Allen rushing the ball there.
Ask aloud again in a month
Moss was a better prospect. James Cook is also better than Singletary was, and Josh Allen wasn't running "tush push" plays then.
I liked the Davis pick by Buffalo, but its as a #2 RB. Unless they completely drop the Allen sneaks (unlikely as it was the most successful play in the NFL) or Cook gets injured, its hard to see Davis exceeding RB4 value.
zamboni
Footballguy
He definitely needs to work some kinks out of his game first.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
What are those except his age?
zamboni
Footballguy
It may take all day and all of the night to figure out.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
weak. I'm a UK fan so I've seen all of Davis. I like him at the next level, so you're going to have to convince me otherwise (besides age). I'm not saying he's the next coming of a stud, but he has game and it is very good.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Agree. Ice surfer shirked the question.
markrc99
Footballguy
Really like ball-carriers who run with a low, wide base. Whether Davis is a fit I can't say. Accordingly, when Joe Brady took over an area where they improved was YAC. No coincidence, going back to when he was with Carolina & New Orleans, often top-10 in yac/rec & yac %. Guys like Cook & Khalil Shakir, assuming a larger role.
Could be wrong, but even though the pieces around Josh Allen have gotten younger, collectively, it's a better group. I don't think Ray Davis makes a lot of sense as a stand alone handcuff. But for James Cook owners, if Davis is at the back of your bench not doing anything, that would almost assuredly means that Cook is. Accordingly, Keon Coleman adds two elite traits: ball skills & the ability to dominate above the rim. In his wheelhouse tracking & high-pointing the reception with big, sticky hands.
Another interesting trait is his tendency to work back toward the QB when the play breaks down. Really like what the Bills did here with Coleman & Davis.
jm192
Footballguy
As another Kentucky fan, I saw all of Davis's games last year. I also watched him torch UK's defense 2 years ago when he was playing for Vanderbilt. We sat threw freezing rain to lose to Vanderbilt. Great times.
Real life football: I think he has a role early. I think they probably want to cut Cook's touches back a little bit to keep him fresher and let him make some more of those explosive plays. Davis is good between the tackles and can take some carries. He's an outstanding pass catcher. He caught 33 passes, averaging nearly 10 yards a catch, and turned 7 of those into touchdowns. He may see some of the passing game work. And then, at 220, I think he sees most of the goal line touches that aren't Josh Allen's.
Fantasy: Is he going to get enough touches to be useful on a weekly basis? I don't feel confident in it. But Best ball leagues, he's a nice late round play. He's a nice handcuff or backup to target in case Cook goes down.
Real life football: I think he has a role early. I think they probably want to cut Cook's touches back a little bit to keep him fresher and let him make some more of those explosive plays. Davis is good between the tackles and can take some carries. He's an outstanding pass catcher. He caught 33 passes, averaging nearly 10 yards a catch, and turned 7 of those into touchdowns. He may see some of the passing game work. And then, at 220, I think he sees most of the goal line touches that aren't Josh Allen's.
Fantasy: Is he going to get enough touches to be useful on a weekly basis? I don't feel confident in it. But Best ball leagues, he's a nice late round play. He's a nice handcuff or backup to target in case Cook goes down.
Rockchild
Footballguy
You really got me there.
Gawain
Footballguy
Ray Davies was one of the founders of the band The Kinks. Think Zamboni was just being punny
LawFitz
Footballguy
Bills RB depth chart isn't exactly a fortress.
Luv this dude's burst, laterals, vision, body lean and low gravity. Can he pass block?
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JohnnyU
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As a UK fan I’m a big Ray Davis fan. With everything he went through growing up, if you’re not a Ray Davis fan, then something is wrong with you (not talking to you specifically).Bills RB depth chart isn't exactly a fortress.
Luv this dude's burst, laterals, vision, body lean and low gravity. Can he pass block?
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LawFitz
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As a UK fan I’m a big Ray Davis fan. With everything he went through growing up, if you’re not a Ray Davis fan, then something is wrong with you (not talking to you specifically).Bills RB depth chart isn't exactly a fortress.
Luv this dude's burst, laterals, vision, body lean and low gravity. Can he pass block?
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Yes, but how's his pass pro?
JohnnyU
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I don’t recall during his college days. Not exactly top of my list in RB attributes and is probably overrated in some circles. Yes, you don’t want someone that won’t at least get in the way of rushers, but I don’t remember Davis being bad at the craft.As a UK fan I’m a big Ray Davis fan. With everything he went through growing up, if you’re not a Ray Davis fan, then something is wrong with you (not talking to you specifically).Bills RB depth chart isn't exactly a fortress.
Luv this dude's burst, laterals, vision, body lean and low gravity. Can he pass block?
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Yes, but how's his pass pro?
JohnnyU
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Just a quick googleAs a UK fan I’m a big Ray Davis fan. With everything he went through growing up, if you’re not a Ray Davis fan, then something is wrong with you (not talking to you specifically).Bills RB depth chart isn't exactly a fortress.
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Yes, but how's his pass pro?
Strengths
- Strong, able to remain balanced while running
- Vision
- Catching passes/pass protection
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King of the Jungle
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There are some evaluators that said he showed promise in pass pro, especially later in the year. He seems to have the build and play strength to improve. Much like many college running backs it is usually something that needs to be worked on, but it sounds like he has an above average starter kit in that area. I like his footwork and vision, but Buffalo usually brings skill position players along pretty slowly. I read he had some fumbles in camp and McD will want that tightened up. Cook has had his share though, so there is that. I also think they also like Ty Johnson, so he will need to earn the staff’s trust to see the field.
Bozeman Bruiser
Footballguy
Let's just go ahead and lock this thread until after Labor Day.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Bozeman Bruiser
Footballguy
I would prefer my league mates who read the Shark Pool not know that Davis exists until after the draft.
He is one of my $1 end of draft steals and I don't want to spoil that. Big fan.
Edit: I don't mean literally lock this thread, it was more a figure of speech that is common around this time of year when players start to get a little hype in camp
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Seems like a good kid. Great story. Battled injuries. Under 5 yards a carry in college. Nothing elite. Nothing really stands out. This is the big leagues son. Prolly just be meh. Think Roschon Johnson with less talent. Ha ha. All my humbled opinion of course.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I watched every play of his at UK and he seemed to have a lot of big plays, both running and receiving.
pinequick
Footballguy
Hmmmm... tell me more.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Typo, damn autocorrect. Funny enough however.
pinequick
Footballguy
I've moved him up my draft board. Team player.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Bench guy with upside.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Interesting they already feel comfortable throwing him the ball
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Must is a strong word given each league is different, but yes, he could be a good handcuff. Possibly more.
markrc99
Footballguy
For some it depends, are owners better off with MarShawn Lloyd, Tyrone Tracy or Kimani Vidal? They're all doing well too.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Lloyd left with a hamstring injury in his first game.
TripItUp
Footballguy
they are not all doing well
And Vidal is fighting to make the team.
I think Davis is a strong RB5 this season, who likely sees about 35% of the workload. I like him more than any of those other rookies but wouldn't call him a must for Cook owners. More of a bonus if he's there around ADP than a target.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I'm coming around on this guy. More so because Cooks fumbling issues haven't gone away during practices. If you can't hold onto the football it's gonna start having implications.
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markrc99
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This can't be dismissed as every player has to make the team... But it suggests that whatever the coaching staff may have seen in Vidal, he's been a letdown to this point. That isn't true of him, Lloyd or Tracy. Tracy is now where they are, in that he's going to miss time, likely a scratch for the remainder of the preseason.
With Vidal I did find one article that makes the case for the Chargers keeping 6 WRs. It talks up Isaiah Spiller as a return man & notes that Vidal has missed time. That's the argument... I personally don't find it very convincing. We know that the new staff wants to pound the rock up inside 300 times this year. Given Dobbins extensive history of injury, it doesn't make much sense they'd give up on Vidal so precipitously. A second article, by a team beat writer cites the former but for the most part, shoots down the premise. For him, to this point Spiller hasn't impressed, a product of the former staff. This is corroborated by Spiller's most recent note at nfl.com, that despite the run heavy scheme, "Spiller could have his work cut out just hanging onto a roster spot."
It's a crapshoot, I like Ray Davis just as much & I have Cook in 2 of 3 leagues. Davis is currently a wire guy in my leagues, as is AJ Dillon, so is Jaylen Wright. Sometimes I get to a player first, but often it's because I see an add in one league & go to make the same move in my other leagues. ha-ha.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
In my deep keeper league I am fighting myself on this one between Davis to cuff with Cook and Braelon Allen to handcuff with Hall. I suppose I can try for both, but I hate to use too many spots on handcuffs. If I go the "no handcuff" route I have my sights set on Jaylen Wright.
