King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Rham is a stud. If he picks up the bulk of the pass catching role he has a real chance to be a top ten RB in PPR. Dude is a beast.
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RB Rhamondre Stevenson, NE (1 Viewer)
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dipandglide
Footballguy
He was special when he saw the field last year. I hope we see more of him this year.
dipandglide
Footballguy
https://gyazo.com/dd09210d1846c78ff56edfb6ae91f394Everybody on my Rhamondre train...12 months later.
I've got him on 12/23 dynasty teams. I drive the Rham train!
rockaction
Footballguy
You said he was a league-winner last year. He finished 47th overall. Good call.Everybody on my Rhamondre train...12 months later.
Whooot. Whooot.
Everybody on my Rhamondre train...12 months later.
Sold my shares in the offseason and got off that train. Used the picks I acquired to try again for a rookie RB who will help me this season. I don't see Stevenson's dynasty value increasing any time soon, and I don't really want any part of the Bellitricks.
TapRackBang
Footballguy
Well that sucks. I don't want another James White. I want the GL carries.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I thought Stevenson showed quite well last year and I'm definitely on board with him this year. I think there is a not insignificant chance Harris is traded and even if he isn't I believe Stevenson sees a lot of work.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
I agree that Stevenson should see more play this year. I highly doubt Harris gets traded. NE likes to use multiple backs. My one knock on Stevenson last year was his pass-pro wasn't always that great. But if he made improvements there (this pass catching work a possible indicator of that) I think he would have more fantasy value than Harris.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
To further explain what has happened in camp so far, Stevenson, Harris, Montgomery, Strong, and Taylor have all had reps in the White role. As of the other day, Harris had about twice as many receptions in camp action compared to any of the other guys. A couple of beat guys have said Montgomery looked great in that role so far. Today they gave two-minute drill work to Stevenson. Unless and until one guy starts working with the ones exclusively and the other guys start working with the second unit, I doubt today carries much weight in the grand scheme of things.
To me him playing the James White is pretty much whatever term you care to use for the opposite of sucks. If he's playing that role it's in addition to his other duties, not in place of and would only increase both his weekly floor and ceiling.
Chaka
Footballguy
With McDaniels gone I would not expect to see the traditional James White role we are used to in New England. I expect a lot of regression to the offense across the board.
However, I could see this benefiting the running backs a bit as they may not rotate as much as they have in the past.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
As I just posted above, there is no way to conclude anything right now. The tweet mentioned that RS played the White role IN A TWO MINUTE DRILL. It doesn't mean Stevenson is their third down back. They have been mixing and matching guys in situational game conditions. Generally speaking, backs out of the backfield have down well so far. Montgomery has been used out of the backfield, in motion, and out wide as a receiver.
What hasn't gone well in practice has been the transition to a zone blocking scheme. The line hasn't been able to do what it needs to do in order for the run game to be successful. It doesn't matter who the back on the field has been. The defense has been blowing up run plays behind the line. That also has impacted play action and Mac Jones' confidence in the offense.
Media reports on the offense have predominantly been negative. Whether that carries over into the season, who knows? Whether they stick with the more streamlined offense is also anyone's guess.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IMO, the Pats offensive player that is getting overlooked is Mac Jones. I think the rushing offense takes a step back, the defense takes a step back, and Jones out of necessity will have a noticeable uptick in passing attempts. Blend all that together, and I think the Pats will not be milking the clock with leads. They will need to pass more to stay in games (or have Jones throwing a lot at the end of games to get them back in the game). Given that NE has a lot of so-so receiving options, I don't really have a lot of faith in any individual WR or TE that will set the world on fire. If I had to pick one, it would be Bourne (he was far and away their most explosive player in the receiving game last year).
HippieJuice
Footballguy
I can't remember the names right now but they were guests on a couple podcasts and they actually go to training camp and hang out and watch and talk to people. They said they would not be surprised if Harris was traded since he is in a contract year and typical for NE from office. They said RS is blowing him away in camp. Harris isn't bad it's just RS is better, especially considering the new schemes they are running. I'm all in Rhamondre redraft and dynasty.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Yes, posted same above. Its not that D. Harris isn't a good player, it's about how they view rbs and getting something for him before he leaves next year. If they believe in K. Harris there is decent chance they move D. Harris.
Boston
Footballguy
It would be foolish for the Pats to deal Harris...he is a quality RB but what is the return going to be? He is going to be an URFA after this year and while he would help any team, I don't see the return being anything worthy of moving on from him...if they dealt him and Stevenson got hurt it would be a huge step backwards for their offense as they would be relying on Strong, the other Harris and Montgomery...that would not be good...hopefully they just ride him out one more year and hope both Strong and the other Harris are ready to take on bigger roles next offseason.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
This is far too rational. How does it boost the value of Stevenson and help my fantasy team?
Boston
Footballguy
This is far too rational. How does it boost the value of Stevenson and help my fantasy team?
It is the Pats and RBs...it just cannot be as easy as White retires, they deal Harris and Stevenson turns into a top 10 RB...BB would never let that happen!
Anarchy99
Footballguy
They've carried 5 guys before. They would usually have one guy inactive on game day. At this point, Harris and Stevenson will obviously be active. Montgomery also plays special teams. I doubt they would risk putting Strong on the practice squad. Taylor would be a candidate to be active / inactive from week to week if they went with 5 guys. Rookie Harris seems destined for the practice squad. It depends where they want roster depth (and who else they want to try to hold on to). With White out of the picture, it doesn't look like they would have 5 RB on the main roster. Taylor could also be added to the practice squad.
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floods
Footballguy
Most of my skepticism revolves around the risk of having young talent snatched off their practice squad. No doubt we will have a more clear picture over the next few weeks. Or not, because Pats.
TapRackBang
Footballguy
My big $$ league is VERY TD heavy. GL backs like Blount were league winners.
If RS gets the GL carries, he'll be a top 10 back easily. Nobody runs inside the 5 more than the Patriots; for the last 9 years running.
If RS gets the GL carries, he'll be a top 10 back easily. Nobody runs inside the 5 more than the Patriots; for the last 9 years running.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Yeah I see a role similar to what Bolden had for Montgomery: primarily special teams but will also play RB in a pinch/certain plays. I agree with the rest of your post as well. Pats will most likely keep em all in some capacity. Gun to head if they had to cut one it'd probably be Strong... but that's purely speculation.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Beat guys mentioned RS had a couple of chunk plays as a receiver out of the backfield in joint practice with the Panthers today. But Montgomery was the one on the field for today’s two minute drill. Had one big gainer reception and another catch for a first down. Harris, Stevenson, and Montgomery all getting a lot of looks out of the backfield in camp so far. We can debate RS and his upside, but Montgomery at this point is free to pick up in most leagues.
Banger
Footballguy
that's some rare, good praise from BB. Good stuff. He's certainly a guy I'm targeting and the only Patriot I'd be interested in.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Just to give everyone a broader perspective and a lay of the land, BB praised Ty Montgomery the other day (and the takeaway is most people feel he is a now lock for a roster spot and his role has been increasing from practice to practice). Bill did the same thing a couple of weeks ago, discussing Damien Harris at length in a presser. The point being, BB has turned over a new leaf and has been far more complimentary than ever before. Some of the beat guys cracked yesterday that Ty Montgomery, who has yet to play a down for NE in an actual game, got heaped with more praise in one press conference than Tom Brady got in his entire career in NE.
Both Stevenson and Montgomery have been taking snaps with the first team offense in camp in 3rd down and two-minute situations. But Harris still leads all RBs in terms of receptions in camp. On the rushing side of the spectrum, NE has been trying to switch up to a zone blocking scheme, which up until now has been an abject failure. It hasn't worked out at all . . . and it doesn't matter who the ball carrier has been. The OL hasn't blocked things well, the defense has been blowing up plays, and the backs have consistently been tackled for loss over and over again. And remember folks, this is the same defense that did not stop the Bills for even one series in the playoffs.
There is a chance they could move Harris, but this once again looks like a backfield with shared roles and responsibilities. In redraft leagues, DH and RS are going in the RB25-35 range. If both guys are on the roster and healthy (and with Montgomery in line to vulture receptions), there is a decent chance the RBBC approach will once again leave people disappointed.
Both Stevenson and Montgomery have been taking snaps with the first team offense in camp in 3rd down and two-minute situations. But Harris still leads all RBs in terms of receptions in camp. On the rushing side of the spectrum, NE has been trying to switch up to a zone blocking scheme, which up until now has been an abject failure. It hasn't worked out at all . . . and it doesn't matter who the ball carrier has been. The OL hasn't blocked things well, the defense has been blowing up plays, and the backs have consistently been tackled for loss over and over again. And remember folks, this is the same defense that did not stop the Bills for even one series in the playoffs.
There is a chance they could move Harris, but this once again looks like a backfield with shared roles and responsibilities. In redraft leagues, DH and RS are going in the RB25-35 range. If both guys are on the roster and healthy (and with Montgomery in line to vulture receptions), there is a decent chance the RBBC approach will once again leave people disappointed.
Chaka
Footballguy
Great post! Although, to be fair only the clock was capable of stopping the Bills offense in the playoffs.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here is what I can make of the RB situation as the open portion of camp comes to an end. Harris still has been getting more work than Stevenson running the ball (Harris getting the first set of reps and RS sometimes with the ones and sometimes with the twos). Montgomery is getting the primary reps on third downs and two minute offense. Harris has been seeing more receptions than last year. Stevenson has been seeing a lot more passes than last year (with both the ones and the twos). Stevenson appears to be the back up to Montgomery in the James White role.
NE has tried installing a ZBS concept with little success. No back has done well with that, but Stevenson and Strong are better suited for that if they stick with it. More likely, they will stick with their interior running scheme and start adding some outside zone concepts once they can run it better in practice.
If ZBS is really the system of the future, Harris is not a great fit (which is why there is renewed chatter of trading him). For now, I can’t see how they can go ZBS full time when they struggle to get past the LOS running it.
Overall, it definitely looks like NE will look to pass to backs more than they did last year.
NE has tried installing a ZBS concept with little success. No back has done well with that, but Stevenson and Strong are better suited for that if they stick with it. More likely, they will stick with their interior running scheme and start adding some outside zone concepts once they can run it better in practice.
If ZBS is really the system of the future, Harris is not a great fit (which is why there is renewed chatter of trading him). For now, I can’t see how they can go ZBS full time when they struggle to get past the LOS running it.
Overall, it definitely looks like NE will look to pass to backs more than they did last year.
Boston
Footballguy
Will add that right now there is concern about the O line as they are not off to a great start.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
That ties into the ZBS. They haven’t been able to move fast enough and the defense has been blowing up plays before they get a head of steam. They haven’t practiced their traditional run scheme, so hard to stake a claim one way or another whether the OL would be an issue there.
The pass protection has consistently gotten better throughout camp, and I don’t think that will be a big issue and may just need some tweaking. It’s the run blocking that has been the main issue.
Boston
Footballguy
Not exactly what I am hearing...Mac was sacked 5 times the other day...there are concerns that are more than system related (and that is a big concern as well).
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He averaged 15 touches a game over the second half of last season (with Harris out for 2 games in that stretch). A case could be made that NE won’t run the ball as much though. Still think he will be over your range.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yeah, I expect him to hover around a dozen touches per game, +/- 3.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Possibly related:
Who's calling the plays? What Patriots players have to say about Matt Patricia as the front-runner
Fans are likely to be nervous about a former defensive coordinator replacing longtime offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.
www.azcentral.com
Chaka
Footballguy
On this point it does really feel that when it came to replacing McDaniels, Belichick decided to jump off the cliff first and build his plane on the way down.Possibly related:
Who's calling the plays? What Patriots players have to say about Matt Patricia as the front-runner
Fans are likely to be nervous about a former defensive coordinator replacing longtime offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.www.azcentral.com
This team makes me nervous. I could see anywhere from placing 1st to 4th in the division.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Went in the 7th of my draft last night.
The hype may be starting to elevate him beyond his value.
The hype may be starting to elevate him beyond his value.
And conversely it seems to be dropping Harris into a potential value pick range (at least from what I've seen lately on FFPC/Underdog)
I don't see how Buffalo doesn't end up 1st in the division. I've never seen anything from Ty Montgomery that makes me think he'll play a big role in passing downs.
PIK95
Footballguy
I was hoping to get him at the end of my auction for a buck or two. Harris is the target now apparently.
Chaka
Footballguy
It's a big stretch but never underestimate a BB defense. It's also a stretch to think the Pats finish below the Jets, but this particular offseason, coaching staff and roster has me very nervous about the Patriots from both an NFL and magic football perspective.
