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RB Samaje Perine, KC (1 Viewer)
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LawFitz
Footballguy
235 lb scat back. Let's see how the Walrus uses him. This isn't the deadskins and bungles.
I know sounds crazy. dude caught more passes than he had rush attempts last year. and the guy is literally a bowling ball. short and stout. anyone wanna sing the I'm a little teapot song?
LawFitz
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
FTR,
I am not suggesting Perine is about to usurp Paychecko. I am suggesting Perine could usurp Man of Steele as the midseason Paychecko usurper. And that IDGAF about what narratives were written in DC and Cincy about the guy... He (and Steele) (and Paychecko) fit well into what Walrus wants from his starting RB.
I am not suggesting Perine is about to usurp Paychecko. I am suggesting Perine could usurp Man of Steele as the midseason Paychecko usurper. And that IDGAF about what narratives were written in DC and Cincy about the guy... He (and Steele) (and Paychecko) fit well into what Walrus wants from his starting RB.
I wouldnt be surprised if they use him in the Hurry up offense almost exclusively. also 3rd and long.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Pacheco is underrated, and will be even moreso now. But if he falters or stubs, I think one of either Perine or Steele could make A LOT more noise than CEH and friends ever did. Not stumping for either of them - like them both!
FantasyMC
Footballguy
Is this all you ask about every player in their threads?
cheese
Footballguy
lol this is good, but it is an interesting point that the Chiefs probably have fewer 3rd downs than most because they're so good at getting the first down on 1st and 2nd.
No, but thank you for showing interest
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Once you've established a strategy to attack the first ~7-8 rounds of your draft (to your point), the rest of the draft is 80% about upside and 20% about getting floor where you need it.
Projections are most helpful (IMO) in terms of taking the league settings and understanding inter-positional value proposition to develop draft strategies.
In other words, Perine's value is not tied to his projection. Unless you're playing in a 16 team league or a league with 2 RBs, 3 WRs and 3 flexes. It's tied to his upside in the Pacheco misses time equation. If he's likely to have RB2 value, he's displacing a low end WR4 or 5 in your lineup and giving you a ~5 point advantage there. That's it.
I ask because if he is replacing McKinnon role, as some have suggested, that's a possible 800 yards on his own, without a Pacheco inury.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Well, considering they picked him up a week before the season starts, they probably know as much as we do about exactly what his role is going to be.
He's typically been used in that (McKinnon-esque) role but they might just use him to spell Pacheco who they seem to have been quite comfortable with handling passing down work to, especially down the stretch and in the playoffs. Because they didn't prioritize replacing McKinnon until very, very late, projection seems even more speculative than usual.
Also of note, because the roles aren't established, Steel and CEH (once he's right) will seemingly also have roles. I think it stands to reason that they're not going to trust Steel for the pass pro work so when Pacheco needs a rest and they're long down and distance, that will almost certainly be over Steel there.
If we swap him in for what I had for CEH, he's projecting for 4-5 rushes and 2 targets a game. 20 catches, 350 yards and 4 TDs. Does that help?
Best part of his game
I've given my opinion but just going to add one more thing.
For purposes of assessing Perine's value it's fair to have a negative view of his talent and come to conclusion he's just not worth much in fantasy.
For purposes of assessing the impact that Perine will eventually have Pachecho you are doing this wrong if you are allowing a negative viewpoint of Perine to dismiss that impact.
For purposes of assessing Perine's value it's fair to have a negative view of his talent and come to conclusion he's just not worth much in fantasy.
For purposes of assessing the impact that Perine will eventually have Pachecho you are doing this wrong if you are allowing a negative viewpoint of Perine to dismiss that impact.
This would shock me. You really think a team will sign a player and have as much idea as the casual fan, in terms of what their role will be? Teams have scouts who watch players, so they know where the player will fit if they are signed.
this
but if Pacheco goes down, Samaje is a complete football player and could be three-down back most drives
Runkle
Footballguy
The story with Pacheco has always been he's a good runner but doesn't seem to get the carries inside the 20. So he'll have yardage opportunities but might not get as many touchdown chances. So now the question I guess is whether Perine or Steele is the vulture? And is the other the guy who spells Pacheco or is the injury backup?
my guess is they'll give Steele the chance to vulture short yardage?
as @menobrown said, Samaje is good at pass-pro and he's also a good receiver
I *think* that Steele only has value if one of them goes down, but I'm definitely keeping him on my dynasty taxi
I *think* that Samaje will have bye/flex value even with a healthy Pacheco, depending on league depth and settings
LawFitz
Footballguy
Man, it really feels like the Chiefs quickly found not one, but two Pacheco vultures just prior to season's kickoff. We'll have see just how much of a kick in the nuts these two bruiser RBs will be to Pacheco's goal-line work and fantasy managers. I know I'd be nervous if I had Pacheco as my RB1 right now.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
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Vulture #2
Pacheco was a Top 10 RB1 all summer...would someone jot down on the back of a note card that just because an average to even above average RB appears like the only person on the roster, low and behold at the 11th hour the HC/GM of that team is going to present a couple more guys to trim your lofty expectations back 20-30%
They are trying to win 3 in a row, they need EVERYONE!
eighsse2
Footballguy
I'm not sure if you're saying that they are going to be vultures or sarcastically implying they're not going to be vultures.Carson Steele Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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Vulture #1
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Vulture #2
Pacheco was a Top 10 RB1 all summer...would someone jot down on the back of a note card that just because an average to even above average RB appears like the only person on the roster, low and behold at the 11th hour the HC/GM of that team is going to present a couple more guys to trim your lofty expectations back 20-30%
They are trying to win 3 in a row, they need EVERYONE!
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
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Vulture #1
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Vulture #2
Pacheco was a Top 10 RB1 all summer...would someone jot down on the back of a note card that just because an average to even above average RB appears like the only person on the roster, low and behold at the 11th hour the HC/GM of that team is going to present a couple more guys to trim your lofty expectations back 20-30%
They are trying to win 3 in a row, they need EVERYONE!
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Pacheco ended up last season ranked as RB15 and missed 3 games. The other backs in KC combined for 50-360-2 with 45-413-5. CEH is currently not available. Perine could see what the other backs saw without really impacting Pacheco all that much. KC backs combined had 80 fewer touches in 2023 than the season before. If Pacheco is healthy, he should still see 18ish touches a game.
That's one of looking at it, but not may way.
My way is Pachecho averaged 12.66 PPR points a game in the games with Mckinnon, which was 26th.
He went nuts with 22.32 a game in the 4 games without Mckinnon.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I would suggest McKinnon had minimal impact on Pacheco's production or usage. It was a coincidence Pacheco scored 5 TD in the 4 games he played without McKinnon . . . that's why it appears he had a huge influx in fantasy scoring.
Put another way, here were the number of touches McKinnon had in the 10 games he played with Pacheco: 1, 4, 5, 3, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, and 3. Pacheco averaged 15.3 touches with McKinnon playing but 20.5 when McKinnon didn't play . . . but IMO that had more to do with game script than anything else. McKinnon averaged 2.9 touches a game with Pacheco, yet Pacheco gained 5.2 touches without McKinnon. The most touches Pacheco got on the season was 25 . . . in a game where both McKinnon AND CEH didn't play. I think a lot of how things played out had to do with the regular ebb and flow of games. Pacheco averaged 18.9 touches in victories but 15.8 touches in losses.
Sure but not all touches are equal. McKinnon was getting the more high value touches which went to Pachecho and now I think will go back to Perine. Just on passing down work along Pachecho went up like 4 points a game.
Also while it's true the randomness of TD's can sway a few game sample size I don't think that's merit for drafting Pachecho were he's going. Just the opposite in fact because he seems to be getting drafted so high in large part to what he was doing without Mckinnon in the lineup.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
If we were evaluating the 2022 season, I'd be there with you about McKinnon taking a significant piece of the RB pie. He had 128 touches for 803 YFS and 10 TD. Last year, that got slashed to 46 touches, 252 YFS, and 5 TD. IMO, that was a good thing for Pacheco. Now McKinnon isn't there, and we can only guess what work will go to Perine. The point being, Pacheco will still get his 18 touches a game. If you want to allocate most of Perine's touches as "premium" or "higher value" touches, so be it. We could also argue that Perine won't get as many TD as McKinnon did and some of those would go to Pacheco. Bottom line, we don't know what Perrine's role will be in KC. Someone was going to get touches other than Pacheco . . . he can't get be the only RB in the game plan. No RB is going to get 100% of a team's touches, and Pacheco is still going to get his 18 touches on average.
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BobbyLayne
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Pass Blk Grades - 2023
Perine caught 50 of 53 targets and as I’ve posted elsewhere, most RBs in the pass catching role are lousy at blocking but who cares if the ball comes out in < 2 seconds.
WAR HORSE probably will be mostly yardage/GL so NBD.
- Pacheco 54 pass pro OPP 62.8
- Perine 56 pass pro OPP 31.1
- Steele 67 pass pro OPP 19.3
Perine caught 50 of 53 targets and as I’ve posted elsewhere, most RBs in the pass catching role are lousy at blocking but who cares if the ball comes out in < 2 seconds.
WAR HORSE probably will be mostly yardage/GL so NBD.
I don't see Perine as any more of a threat to Pacheco than CEH was. Its almost a 1-1.
I also think McKinnon's previous production is meaningless. That was on a team that was desperate for WR help. JuJu was the #1 in McKinnon's best season, he's the #4 (at best, possibly an inactive) now.
Perine will handle some 3rd and longs, and maybe some 2-minute stuff, but I don't see him stopping Pacheco from having around 300 touches. The only thing stopping Pacheco from that is Pacheco staying healthy. Not seeing Perone (or Steele) taking GL work, other than maybe a plunge or 2 after Pacheco breaks a long play or something. I don't see more than a handful of RBs having a safer, steadier workload than Pacheco, and I honestly question how good of a handcuff Perine is, or if Steele could potentially make it a 2-man backfield in that scenario.
I also think McKinnon's previous production is meaningless. That was on a team that was desperate for WR help. JuJu was the #1 in McKinnon's best season, he's the #4 (at best, possibly an inactive) now.
Perine will handle some 3rd and longs, and maybe some 2-minute stuff, but I don't see him stopping Pacheco from having around 300 touches. The only thing stopping Pacheco from that is Pacheco staying healthy. Not seeing Perone (or Steele) taking GL work, other than maybe a plunge or 2 after Pacheco breaks a long play or something. I don't see more than a handful of RBs having a safer, steadier workload than Pacheco, and I honestly question how good of a handcuff Perine is, or if Steele could potentially make it a 2-man backfield in that scenario.
