RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (1 Viewer)

[Gally]

2021 - Did he tease or perform?
I'm not even going to begin to try to candy coat this season.  He blew chunks, finished RB30, and made journeyman Devontae Booker look good.  He looked like he was running scared from week 1, and I still think that's why he reinjured himself.  I'd say this counts as TEASE instead of PERFORM.  Do you concur?

I only wrote this because you said perennial tease.  Perennial means forever, not just the last 2 years.

I wonder how running scared caused him to step on a defenders ankle when he wasn't in the play way away from the ball.  It was a complete fluke accident and it was the reason he finished as RB30.

I don't think there is a lot to take from last year as he had a significant fluke injury.  Nothing about the injury has any impact or reason to say it will happen again.  

Put me on the side of thinking he is going as a bargain based on the upside he can bring.  

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I actually didn’t say they all had to happen. I specifically said “a lot of things have to break right”. I also listed some of the things. 

At a bare minimum 

• Has to return to form 

• OL has to show it can block well. 

• Jones has to throw the ball to Barkley for him to get receptions.

so what’s your minimum projection to justify what will likely be a late 2nd round selection then?  Very curious what an acceptable floor would be for you. Even at 25th overall it’s would seem like quite a few of those things would have to happen for Barkley to be as worthy of that selection.

Well technically everyone that catches passes has to have their QB throw them the ball to get receptions

I would say all that REALLY needs to happen is he has to be over the injury and return to form.  He's produced with a bad OL before and when healthy he's exactly the type of dynamic big play RB built for playing behind a bad O-line.  Not all that different from someone like Barry Sanders conceptually.

I also think you're overrating the quality and reliability of players in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.  The guys there always need several things to break right for them.  If they didn't they would be drafted earlier.

Look at some of the guys going in that same bucket with Barkley. 

AJ Brown is coming off a bad year, has had constant issues staying healthy, and is now moving to the 4th lowest passing volume offense in the league.

Antonio Gibson again has had his own concerns with both production and healthy, and is on a bad team.  And he doesn't have nearly the stranglehold on the feature RB role that Saquon does.

Cam Akers, no one has ever been even a top 36 RB at any point in their career after an achilles injury.

Tyreek Hill, major questions about what a guy that makes his money deep downfield will look like when moving from a top 3 passing offense with one of the league's best downfield throwing QBs to a low volume dink and dunk offense with a weak armed QB.

It's not like people are passing up on Jonathan Taylor to take a stab at Saquon.  I think he's a reasonable risk/reward where he's going, personally.  But I've always been a fan of the guy so I'll readily admit I have a hard time not approaching this with some bias.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Well technically everyone that catches passes has to have their QB throw them the ball to get receptions

Yeah, I mean, I was being a little sarcastic there, I admit.  

I would say all that REALLY needs to happen is he has to be over the injury and return to form.  He's produced with a bad OL before and when healthy he's exactly the type of dynamic big play RB built for playing behind a bad O-line.  Not all that different from someone like Barry Sanders conceptually.

I also think you're overrating the quality and reliability of players in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.  The guys there always need several things to break right for them.  If they didn't they would be drafted earlier.

Look at some of the guys going in that same bucket with Barkley. 

It's a fair point. I guess I'm also a little burned out on hoping the Giants, especially DJones, will display competence. I finally managed to move Jones this off-season, and I am pretty well washing my hands of all things Giants. Since Barkley plays for the Giants, maybe I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but I also think the defenses in their division have improved a bit while the Giants offense hasn't improved much, if at all to my eye. 

I have no issue owning my own bias in this discussion. That's why I've been careful to preface everything in the context of what I, personally, would do. 

AJ Brown is coming off a bad year, has had constant issues staying healthy, and is now moving to the 4th lowest passing volume offense in the league.

Antonio Gibson again has had his own concerns with both production and healthy, and is on a bad team.  And he doesn't have nearly the stranglehold on the feature RB role that Saquon does.

Cam Akers, no one has ever been even a top 36 RB at any point in their career after an achilles injury.

Tyreek Hill, major questions about what a guy that makes his money deep downfield will look like when moving from a top 3 passing offense with one of the league's best downfield throwing QBs to a low volume dink and dunk offense with a weak armed QB.

It's not like people are passing up on Jonathan Taylor to take a stab at Saquon.  I think he's a reasonable risk/reward where he's going, personally.  But I've always been a fan of the guy so I'll readily admit I have a hard time not approaching this with some bias.

I'd take a shot at Hill 100/100 times over Barkley. The others are more of a coin flip, I agree. 

We both have our biases here - I just want to avoid Giants this year, and since we're right in the midst of the "best shape of his career" season for reporters, I maintain a healthy skepticism about all things Barkley.  As I mentioned earlier - maybe my opinion changes as I see him run in the preseason games, if he plays in those. If he doesn't, man - it would be very difficult for me to pick him in the mid-2nd, if as I suspect, that's where his ADP lands. I'd be more inclined to reach for a top QB or TE.

And full disclosure - I believe around July/August of last year I was one of those starting to talk myself into Barkley at the end of the 2nd. He went 2.08, so fortunately I didn't have to make that decision. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Well technically everyone that catches passes has to have their QB throw them the ball to get receptions

I would say all that REALLY needs to happen is he has to be over the injury and return to form.  He's produced with a bad OL before and when healthy he's exactly the type of dynamic big play RB built for playing behind a bad O-line.  Not all that different from someone like Barry Sanders conceptually.

I also think you're overrating the quality and reliability of players in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.  The guys there always need several things to break right for them.  If they didn't they would be drafted earlier.

Look at some of the guys going in that same bucket with Barkley. 

AJ Brown is coming off a bad year, has had constant issues staying healthy, and is now moving to the 4th lowest passing volume offense in the league.

Antonio Gibson again has had his own concerns with both production and healthy, and is on a bad team.  And he doesn't have nearly the stranglehold on the feature RB role that Saquon does.

Cam Akers, no one has ever been even a top 36 RB at any point in their career after an achilles injury.

Tyreek Hill, major questions about what a guy that makes his money deep downfield will look like when moving from a top 3 passing offense with one of the league's best downfield throwing QBs to a low volume dink and dunk offense with a weak armed QB.

It's not like people are passing up on Jonathan Taylor to take a stab at Saquon.  I think he's a reasonable risk/reward where he's going, personally.  But I've always been a fan of the guy so I'll readily admit I have a hard time not approaching this with some bias.

I’m surely a bit leery with Saquan but of those you list, I’d only take Gibson over him in redraft (and I do agree with the concerns you list about him.)

 

[travdogg]

The recent posts in this thread are leading me to believe 2 things:

1. I may not be able to steal Barkley as late as I am hoping to.

2. Tyreek Hill is being really underrated. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to take him over Barkley. 

Of those players listed, I'd go:

Hill>Barkley/Brown>>Akers>>>Gibson

I think Gibson is staring down the barrel of a 3-man RBBC, and is an RB3 in my opinion. Conversely, I think Barkley can deliver low-end RB1 value if things break right, more so concerning his health than the offense, as going from Garrett calling plays to me calling plays would be an upgrade, let alone Daboll. 

 

[TheWinz]

Possible. A 4-11 team could also be built with those 2. 

How’s that worked out for CMC owners the last 2 seasons? 

There are other factors besides record. I mentioned a few of them. 

I was showing that team record and RB fantasy success are not related.  When you say "other factors besides record", I am saying record is not a factor for RB's.

As for CMC, I have no idea what you are asking.  I simply said he finished as RB1 on a 7-9 team, because you said one of the reasons you didn't like Barkley is because the Giants will suck this year.  I am saying it doesn't matter if the team sucks or not.  If Barkley stays healthy, he will outperform an ADP of 25, which in a 12-teamer would be pick 3.1.

 

[TheWinz]

I wonder how running scared caused him to step on a defenders ankle when he wasn't in the play way away from the ball.  It was a complete fluke accident and it was the reason he finished as RB30.

I don't think there is a lot to take from last year as he had a significant fluke injury.  Nothing about the injury has any impact or reason to say it will happen again.  

Put me on the side of thinking he is going as a bargain based on the upside he can bring.  

I agree that he is a bargain.  I also think, as HSG said, his ADP will rise until he may not be a value pick.  But at 3.1, I am taking him.

As for my running scared statement, it just seemed like he ran like he expected to get injured, but his first 2 seasons he ran like an animal. 

 

[Payne]

Zack Rosenblatt, from NJ.com, reports New York Giants RB Saquon Barkley is being moved around the formation at OTAs and minicamp. Per the article, Barkley was lining up as a receiver -- both in the slot and outside -- frequently throughout drills, and moved around a lot in pre-snap motion too.

Footballguys view: This has been a consistent offseason drumbeat - the Giants are going to use Barkley as much as they can - and he's certainly going to be used frequently as a receiver. Not just a receiver out of the backfield, Barkley is going to run routes from the slot and out wide. He's talented and if healthy could be a nice value pick for your fantasy teams in the third round.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If Barkley stays healthy, he will outperform an ADP of 25, which in a 12-teamer would be pick 3.1.

And I believe there are other factors besides health, which certainly isn’t a given.

For one, I haven’t seen Barkley look like rookie-year Barkley since….his rookie year. For another, the Giants OL wasn’t great. I’d like to see improvement there.

What’s your projection for Barkley? Curious what you believe a 3.01 justification is. Also, do you believe his ADP will rise?

 

[TripItUp]

One of the larger factors that hasn't been discussed is that Barkley is playing for his next contract.

If there is anybody that wants to see Saquon perform this year, it's Saquon.

 

[travdogg]

And I believe there are other factors besides health, which certainly isn’t a given.

For one, I haven’t seen Barkley look like rookie-year Barkley since….his rookie year. For another, the Giants OL wasn’t great. I’d like to see improvement there.

What’s your projection for Barkley? Curious what you believe a 3.01 justification is. Also, do you believe his ADP will rise?

I don't think Barkley needs to look like rookie year Barkley to be a good value. I do think that player is long gone, but few RBs are likely to see 65+% of the RB touches on their team. Barkley is certainly one of them. 275 touches is within reach. 

The OL should be improved, and possibly much improved. Neal should be an upgrade, possibly a huge one, and Glowinski and Feliciano are capable starters. Daboll should also be a big help as Jason Garrett/Joe Judge was probably the worst play calling combo in the NFL in 2021. 

I think Barkley's ADP will vary wildly. I think he's worthy of looking at on the 2/3 turn but I doubt he goes that high on most leagues. I would bet he falls to about 40th overall or so, simply because so many people a) want nothing to do with the Giants, and b) have been burned by Barkley recently. 

The NY Giants had 23 offensive TDs last year, which is pathetic, and should certainly go up just by default, as its hard to be that bad. Also so many players were hurt last year. I'm not sure Barkley will be a lot more efficient this season, but its possible he is, what I am sure of is that the overall offense and his share of it will be better. I think something like 1,100-11 is on the table, with something like 50 catches. 

I've got Barkley RB13 personally, I'd like to have him lower, but I really have a hard time coming up with reasons beyond "he gets injured again" to do so. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think Barkley's ADP will vary wildly. I think he's worthy of looking at on the 2/3 turn but I doubt he goes that high on most leagues. I would bet he falls to about 40th overall or so, simply because so many people a) want nothing to do with the Giants, and b) have been burned by Barkley recently. 

So he's currently at 25 overall redraft. That's 3.01

I expect as his health is highlighted, and as FF writers hype him up more and more this offseason (and FF heads like yourself, of course) his ADP will creep into the mid-second. Same exact thing happened last year - he went late 2nd in my league, and the hype this year is coming in sooner and stronger. FF managers will talk themselves into a lot of things while they're on the clock. Hell, CMC pretty much ruined my year last season and I'm starting to talk myself into him as a 1st round pick.  

Desperation is never pretty. 

I admit, there's a price that I would consider Barkley a value. Mid-2nd is not that price, so I really hope you're correct about 40th overall. 4th round is exactly where I would take a chance on him. I believe he'll be long gone by then in my late August draft. 

The NY Giants had 23 offensive TDs last year, which is pathetic, and should certainly go up just by default, as its hard to be that bad. Also so many players were hurt last year. I'm not sure Barkley will be a lot more efficient this season, but its possible he is, what I am sure of is that the overall offense and his share of it will be better. I think something like 1,100-11 is on the table, with something like 50 catches. 

I've got Barkley RB13 personally, I'd like to have him lower, but I really have a hard time coming up with reasons beyond "he gets injured again" to do so. 

My big non-injury concern is the continued regression of Danny Dimes. The more they've let him pass, the more trouble he's gotten into. And 3 & outs are just as bad for skill players. And yet that's what the Giants are saying they want to do - open up the offense and let Danny Dimes let it fly without worrying about turnovers. That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. 

I also wonder if Barkley is game-script proof, as he would need to be for such a lofty investment, and to be "bad team proof" as many implied he was above. 

Will the Giants keep running him out there in garbage time if they're  down 3 scores in the 4th? Those are the receptions people are counting on in part, so I think it's an interesting question. 

Unfortunately some of that is unknowable. 

Again - not trashing Barkley at all. I don't love his ADP, and if it continues to rise, I'll love it even less. 

 

[travdogg]

So he's currently at 25 overall redraft. That's 3.01

I expect as his health is highlighted, and as FF writers hype him up more and more this offseason (and FF heads like yourself, of course) his ADP will creep into the mid-second. Same exact thing happened last year - he went late 2nd in my league, and the hype this year is coming in sooner and stronger. FF managers will talk themselves into a lot of things while they're on the clock. Hell, CMC pretty much ruined my year last season and I'm starting to talk myself into him as a 1st round pick.  

Desperation is never pretty. 

I admit, there's a price that I would consider Barkley a value. Mid-2nd is not that price, so I really hope you're correct about 40th overall. 4th round is exactly where I would take a chance on him. I believe he'll be long gone by then in my late August draft. 

My big non-injury concern is the continued regression of Danny Dimes. The more they've let him pass, the more trouble he's gotten into. And 3 & outs are just as bad for skill players. And yet that's what the Giants are saying they want to do - open up the offense and let Danny Dimes let it fly without worrying about turnovers. That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. 

I also wonder if Barkley is game-script proof, as he would need to be for such a lofty investment, and to be "bad team proof" as many implied he was above. 

Will the Giants keep running him out there in garbage time if they're  down 3 scores in the 4th? Those are the receptions people are counting on in part, so I think it's an interesting question. 

Unfortunately some of that is unknowable. 

Again - not trashing Barkley at all. I don't love his ADP, and if it continues to rise, I'll love it even less. 

I can make a reasoned argument for CMC at #1 overall, so I'm certainly not the guy who is going to talk you out of him as a 1st rounder 

As far as Daniel Jones goes, I'm of 2 minds with him. I don't really think he's regressed. I think he's had the worst HC-OC of the last 2 seasons. I think he's done a good job making better decisions after his extremely turnover laden rookie season. Not that I think Jones is suddenly going to the Giants franchise QB with better playcalling, but I do think he'll certainly be better. On the other hand, if I'm wrong about that, Tyrod Taylor has proven he won't sink an offense the way Glennon did last year, and if called upon should be reasonably ok, and possibly better than Jones. 

I see no reason for the Giants to save any wear and tear on Barkley. He's in a contract season, and I'd put his chances of staying in NY at probably 20-25%. I've got Barkley RB13, like I said, but in truth, I'm hoping he goes before he's the top guy left on my board. 

 

[TheWinz]

What’s your projection for Barkley? Curious what you believe a 3.01 justification is. Also, do you believe his ADP will rise?

As you said above, he's currently 25th overall in PPR redraft, which is pick 3.01.  It's also RB14.  Let's look at the last 10 RB's to finish RB14 in PPR to get an idea of what kind of numbers we are talking about:

2021 - 214.1 FP in 15 games = 14.3 PPG
2020 - 206.2 FP in 14 games = 14.7 PPG
2019 - 221.4 FP in 15 games = 14.8 PPG
2018 - 208.2 FP in 16 games = 13.0 PPG
2017 - 201.5 FP in 16 games = 12.6 PPG
2016 - 209.1 FP in 16 games = 13.1 PPG
2015 - 188.1 FP in 15 games = 12.5 PPG
2014 - 193.9 FP in 13 games = 14.9 PPG
2013 - 220.7 FP in 16 games = 13.8 PPG
2012 - 210.8 FP in 16 games = 13.2 PPG

So, the average RB14 has scored 207.4 FP with a PPG of 13.7.  I will use those numbers as justification for the 3.01 pick.  Now, do I think Saquon can realistically average 13.7 PPG?  I sure do, considering he was horrible last year, and still managed 11.6 PPG.

Sadly, I do think his ADP will rise until he is no longer a value pick.  I know many are saying they are glad his ADP will rise, so they won't have to take him, but I feel the opposite.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sadly, I do think his ADP will rise until he is no longer a value pick.  I know many are saying they are glad his ADP will rise, so they won't have to take him, but I feel the opposite.

i actually agree with this. If he were a late 3rd/early 4th I’d start considering him.

IMO it’ll be mid 2nd, and possible even early 2nd by the time I’m drafting.

CBS just dropped a “bold predictions” series, and of course Barkley got a mention. He’s getting a lot of love on the YouTubes I follow. Feels inevitable. 

 

[TheWinz]

i actually agree with this. If he were a late 3rd/early 4th I’d start considering him.

It would take me about 1 second to hit the draft button if he made it to the late 3rd/early 4th

 

[TheWinz]

IMO it’ll be mid 2nd, and possible even early 2nd by the time I’m drafting

Agreed.  He would be a hard pass in the early 2nd, but I guess I would start saying hmmm around 2.10

 

[zamboni]

Barkley is very intriguing because you can basically count on one hand the number of 3-down backs that will seldom leave the field.

The 64K question of course is how much his injuries have sapped his effectiveness/explosiveness. I’m less concerned about him being injury prone, because injuries can happen at any time to anyone.

 

[Faust]

SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports that Saquon Barkley is lining up all over the formation in OTAs.

"When the huddle breaks at Giants practice, there’s no telling which direction Saquon Barkley will be headed anymore. One play, he’s a running back, the next he’s a slot receiver, then he’ll split out wide or maybe go in motion from wherever he starts," Vacchiano writes. We've already heard plenty about a greater receiving role for Barkley this year, but it's even more encouraging that Daboll and OC Mike Kafka are utilizing him as a true "weapon" that goes everywhere. Barkley's ADP remains quite affordable for someone with the potential upside he has. 

SOURCE: SNY

Jun 12, 2022, 1:17 PM ET

 

[TheWinz]

Well, there he goes.  Another few ADP spots higher.  Great for people who don't want him, but brutal for those of us that do.

 

[zamboni]

Not sure if he's really being undervalued given how much work he seems in line for, or all this positive press will inevitably make him overvalued. Will have to see where the ADP settles in.

 

[-jb-]

Barkley check-in. @travdogg’s post got me spending more time in my own dome about his prospects this year. I’ve been staring at him in/off over the last few weeks with an ADP of 24. Upthread, the consensus seems to be that everyone views him as undervalued right now. So two questions:

- when redraft bullets start flying, where do you think his ADP settles in at?

- where do you have him ranked, both in terms of RB and overall?

For me, I fear that he’ll be early to mid 2nd. Ranking wise, I’ve got him at about RB6ish.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Barkley check-in. @travdogg’s post got me spending more time in my own dome about his prospects this year. I’ve been staring at him in/off over the last few weeks with an ADP of 24. Upthread, the consensus seems to be that everyone views him as undervalued right now. So two questions:

- when redraft bullets start flying, where do you think his ADP settles in at?

- where do you have him ranked, both in terms of RB and overall?

For me, I fear that he’ll be early to mid 2nd. Ranking wise, I’ve got him at about RB6ish.

I have him at RB17 - I'm being a little overly cautious perhaps but to me, he just hasn't looked the same the last two seasons. I think the lower leg injuries have caught up to him. Admittedly volume alone (if he stays healthy) should mean he'll beat that RB17 ranking, but I'd rather let some one else take him in Round 2 - imo there's better and safer options in that range.

 

[travdogg]

Barkley check-in. @travdogg’s post got me spending more time in my own dome about his prospects this year. I’ve been staring at him in/off over the last few weeks with an ADP of 24. Upthread, the consensus seems to be that everyone views him as undervalued right now. So two questions:

- when redraft bullets start flying, where do you think his ADP settles in at?

- where do you have him ranked, both in terms of RB and overall?

For me, I fear that he’ll be early to mid 2nd. Ranking wise, I’ve got him at about RB6ish.

I think enough people have been burned by him, or just don't want to "take chances" early, that he makes it so at least the 2/3 turn on average. 

I've got him RB7 (8 if Kamara manages to not be suspended) and would be willing to take him at the 1/2 turn. 

Its kinda funny how much higher I've gotten on him since the end of May. Looking slightly upward in this thread, I'm pointing out all the same reasons to like him that I did in the other thread, but I'm trying to deny how much I like him, then 2 months later, its like I convinced myself enough that I'm comfortable with him as a borderline top-10 pick. 

 

[Faust]

Chris Canty: Giants' Saquon Barkley one of NFL's most overrated players

NFL offensive coach: Saquon Barkley 'doesn't know how to play running back'

 

[Neal Cassady]

I have him around RB 7 as well.  I thought he looked tentative last year, and not close to all the way back, especially after he tweaked his ankle.  Even when he rarely got to the second level, it looked like he was running in sand.  He wasn’t helped due to a horrendous O-line, pathetic play calling and a backup qb.  He had nowhere to run, even if he were healthy.  
 

However, with a new coach/scheme, little to no competition, a revamped O-line, healthy qb, another year removed from major surgery, still young and talk of using him heavily in the passing game, I think he can regain his place as a top 5 back.  It will all come down to whether he can physically bounce back, but if he can, he’s going to be a huge bargain IMO. 

 

[RenegadeRoy]

My fear with Barkley is that even if the O-line is improved, he's still the high point of the offense. Every team is going to defensively scheme to take him out and force Jones and the sub-par WR corp to make plays. Is the rest of the offense going to improve that much to give Barkley space to work? Does Toney step up this year?

I'm not sure he's a risk I'm willing to take.

 

[Ilov80s]

My fear with Barkley is that even if the O-line is improved, he's still the high point of the offense. Every team is going to defensively scheme to take him out and force Jones and the sub-par WR corp to make plays. Is the rest of the offense going to improve that much to give Barkley space to work? Does Toney step up this year?

I'm not sure he's a risk I'm willing to take.

Where he is getting drafted, I kind of don’t care about anything but him staying healthy and the Giants throwing him a ton of passes. If those two things happen, he is going to return value.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Where he is getting drafted, I kind of don’t care about anything but him staying healthy and the Giants throwing him a ton of passes. If those two things happen, he is going to return value.

I can totally see him ending up on my team in a few auction leagues and won't be disappointed.

Snake, I'm not sure I'd be able to pull the trigger most of the time.

 

[Deamon]

I think enough people have been burned by him, or just don't want to "take chances" early, that he makes it so at least the 2/3 turn on average. 

I've got him RB7 (8 if Kamara manages to not be suspended) and would be willing to take him at the 1/2 turn. 

Its kinda funny how much higher I've gotten on him since the end of May. Looking slightly upward in this thread, I'm pointing out all the same reasons to like him that I did in the other thread, but I'm trying to deny how much I like him, then 2 months later, its like I convinced myself enough that I'm comfortable with him as a borderline top-10 pick. 

Well he's going RB13 so if you have him RB7 you should get him.

He def has potential to be top 5 for sure.  I put himn right about RB11

 

[Ilov80s]

I can totally see him ending up on my team in a few auction leagues and won't be disappointed.

Snake, I'm not sure I'd be able to pull the trigger most of the time.

Certainly depends on your draft slot and who is on the board but I can see myself taking him at the end of the 2nd.

 

[Cheen]

Health and scheme should be markedly better

Surrounding offensive talent *should* be improved

Big question mark and something I'm not betting on is a willingness for Daniel Jones to check down. DJ has shown a propensity for throwing down the field. Saquon averaged 7.5 targets a game his rookie year with Eli, only 4.4 last year.   

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Health and scheme should be markedly better

Surrounding offensive talent *should* be improved

Big question mark and something I'm not betting on is a willingness for Daniel Jones to check down. DJ has shown a propensity for throwing down the field. Saquon averaged 7.5 targets a game his rookie year with Eli, only 4.4 last year.   

I’m not sure they’ve improved a lot….they’re in cap hell, so the only improvements came in the draft, and the coaching regime change (which, to be fair, is likely a significant upgrade).

But yeah - it seems like there’s a real issue with DJones checking down to Saquan, mostly because he’s been encouraged to take off running, making his legs a strength.

While I agree with the former regime that he should do that, from the Barkley standpoint, it’s clearly a net negative because those scrambles likely come at the expense of some dump-offs.

Now projecting forward for 2022 with this in mind, I have to wonder whether Jones feels like his best shot at building his own value will be with his legs. When the team declined his 2023 option, it’s fair to wonder whether DJ will be playing his 2022 season to help the Giants win, or to help his future FA value more.  Running the ball would seem to build his value.

Not making predictions about what will, just thinking out loud about what could happen. 

But you’re spot on that he doesn’t throw to SB enough, and in the context of this topic it’s fair to wonder what that does for SB’s value. If he’s not getting a ton of receptions, he becomes more TD dependent, and in an offense that’s expected to be not great, that could produce less than awesome results. 

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

I’m not sure they’ve improved a lot….they’re in cap hell, so the only improvements came in the draft, and the coaching regime change (which, to be fair, is likely a significant upgrade).

But yeah - it seems like there’s a real issue with DJones checking down to Saquan, mostly because he’s been encouraged to take off running, making his legs a strength.

While I agree with the former regime that he should do that, from the Barkley standpoint, it’s clearly a net negative because those scrambles likely come at the expense of some dump-offs.

Now projecting forward for 2022 with this in mind, I have to wonder whether Jones feels like his best shot at building his own value will be with his legs. When the team declined his 2023 option, it’s fair to wonder whether DJ will be playing his 2022 season to help the Giants win, or to help his future FA value more.  Running the ball would seem to build his value.

Not making predictions about what will, just thinking out loud about what could happen. 

But you’re spot on that he doesn’t throw to SB enough, and in the context of this topic it’s fair to wonder what that does for SB’s value. If he’s not getting a ton of receptions, he becomes more TD dependent, and in an offense that’s expected to be not great, that could produce less than awesome results. 

Winning could also help that case.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

My fear with Barkley is that even if the O-line is improved, he's still the high point of the offense. Every team is going to defensively scheme to take him out and force Jones and the sub-par WR corp to make plays. Is the rest of the offense going to improve that much to give Barkley space to work? Does Toney step up this year?

I'm not sure he's a risk I'm willing to take.

I don't think being the focal point of an offense is necessarily a bad thing, especially when it involves catching passes in a PPR league.

Everyone knew that Davante Adams was Green Bay's only reasonable receiving option, but that didn't stop them from getting him the ball.  The 9ers only weapon on offense was Deebo, and he still got his.  With MT out all year the Saints had no other real weapon besides Kamara, but he was a scoring machine when he played.  JT on the Colts.  Swift on the Lions.  Hopkins when he was on the Texans.  The list goes on.

 

[Faust]

NBC Sports' Peter King reports Saquon Barkley "looks very good" early into training camp.

King added that Barkley "health-wise has answered every bell" and that he's "been excellent throughout the offseason". King believes Barkley will bounce back to his old form "behind a beefed up offensive line" after down seasons in 2020 and 2021. The 25-year-old back last rushed for 1,000+ yards in 2019 when he totaled 1,441 yards from scrimmage and eight touchdowns. During his first two seasons in the league, Barkley finished as the RB3 and RB7 in points per game, respectively. A healthy season alongside one of the league's best offensive minds in Brian Daboll could spell big things for Barkley and fantasy managers in 2022.

SOURCE: NBC Sports

Jul 29, 2022, 8:40 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley Lays Out Defender With Epic Truck Stick During Giants Training Camp Practice

 

[Lehigh98]

Saquon Barkley Lays Out Defender With Epic Truck Stick During Giants Training Camp Practice

Damn, looks like he also waved goodbye at the end,

 

[jm192]

Saquon Barkley Lays Out Defender With Epic Truck Stick During Giants Training Camp Practice

Imagine getting truck sticked so hard in a practice. Brutal.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Damn...... What a hit.

 

[travdogg]

While he didn't have a particularly big stat line, it was a positive that he played every single snap of the Giants opening drive, at the very least that says they aren't concerned about his health, and could also imply that he's not going to be ceding many snaps.

 

[TheWinz]

While he didn't have a particularly big stat line, it was a positive that he played every single snap of the Giants opening drive, at the very least that says they aren't concerned about his health, and could also imply that he's not going to be ceding many snaps.

Superman is back!

 

[travdogg]

While he didn't have a particularly big stat line, it was a positive that he played every single snap of the Giants opening drive, at the very least that says they aren't concerned about his health, and could also imply that he's not going to be ceding many snaps.

Superman is back!

He's pretty much my go-to pick in round 2 right now, unless Kamara is assured to not be suspended.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lord help me I’m warming to the idea of a round 2 pick of Barkley.

 

[The Frankman]

Stat I heard on the broadcast and posted in the Giants thread:

LOL @ that stat

Saquon Barkley prior to this year had 6 preseason snaps
in the Giants 1st preseason game he had 5 touches

 

[travdogg]

Lord help me I’m warning to the idea of a round 2 pick of Barkley.

Recency bias is usually the best place to cultivate value.

I've had a lot of mocks where I've started CMC, Barkley, Kamara. I'm ready to crush 2018.

 

[TheWinz]

Stat I heard on the broadcast and posted in the Giants thread:

LOL @ that stat

Saquon Barkley prior to this year had 6 preseason snaps
in the Giants 1st preseason game he had 5 touches

They are making him prove he isn't Mr Glass. I know this sounds like an oxymoron, but I think he is realizing he needs to run with reckless abandon to stay healthy. If he plays not to get hurt, he will get hurt.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lord help me I’m warning to the idea of a round 2 pick of Barkley.

Recency bias is usually the best place to cultivate value.

I've had a lot of mocks where I've started CMC, Barkley, Kamara. I'm ready to crush 2018.

I’ve never rostered SB. just feel like that whole Giants team isn’t going to be great. I’m out on DJ, and I’m not sure the OL is going to hold up.


Lot of hype over camp videos of guys not wearing pads, but when defenses play for real I’ll be interested ti see how that Giants offense looks.

I’m not writing them off, I’m just not yet convinced.

 

[travdogg]

Stat I heard on the broadcast and posted in the Giants thread:

LOL @ that stat

Saquon Barkley prior to this year had 6 preseason snaps
in the Giants 1st preseason game he had 5 touches

They are making him prove he isn't Mr Glass. I know this sounds like an oxymoron, but I think he is realizing he needs to run with reckless abandon to stay healthy. If he plays not to get hurt, he will get hurt.

That would be great if he plays that way. The biggest knock I've had with Barkley is that he's 230 pounds and runs like he's 190.

 

[TheWinz]

Stat I heard on the broadcast and posted in the Giants thread:

LOL @ that stat

Saquon Barkley prior to this year had 6 preseason snaps
in the Giants 1st preseason game he had 5 touches

They are making him prove he isn't Mr Glass. I know this sounds like an oxymoron, but I think he is realizing he needs to run with reckless abandon to stay healthy. If he plays not to get hurt, he will get hurt.

That would be great if he plays that way. The biggest knock I've had with Barkley is that he's 230 pounds and runs like he's 190.

Remember Warrick Dunn? The dude was 180 and had back-to-back 300+ touch seasons after the age of 30. He always amazed me.