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RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (10 Viewers)

what's the deal here? we have a 4 game sample size and he's averaging 3 ypc. i havent watched since week 1.
td's are salvaging his fantasy days
the historical data shows most RBs drop production the following year after a huge workload like he had in 2024, is this what we are seeing?
he's still getting almost all carries
is the revamped o-line that bad?
his fantasy playoff schedule looks very promising (chargers (tough), raiders, commanders, bills)
you can still sell "high" with name value because his production has been okay.
Based on what I have unhappily observed - he seems to be a part time guard, the recs are down, rushes simply melt into falling forward into a wall of bodies for three yards, and one of his meager TDs was on a trick (still counts). Hurts is getting the seat at the head of the table. Yes its only a 4 week sample and a mere opinion but I can’t explain how the number 1 player looks so average. Frankly, this year in FF has been lame between the unbelievable amount of injuries and the healthy flim flam performances from can’t miss studs.
 
The Eagles seem to be turning into the new Chiefs.

All they do is WIN WIN WIN WIN and don't give a F F F F F how they win.

That can spell fantasy crapola for the guys we're used to being perennial, every week studs.
 
I was listening to a podcast (can’t remember which) that compared the Eagles offense to the Boston Celtics offense in that they have studied the analytics and are following a formula that is going to be very successful in getting them Ws even if it’s very difficult to watch.

With the Celtics the analytics said to fill the floor with players who can knock down threes and launch as many of them per game as possible. With the Eagles it appears to be gain 3 YPC and get into 3rd and short and use the tush push to get (almost) guaranteed first downs, extend drives, and dominate TOP.

I thought it was a pretty interesting comparison. Unfortunately for us fantasy football fans, while the Celtics could still give us many viable fantasy assets with their approach, the same may not be true of the Eagles and their offense.
 
I was listening to a podcast (can’t remember which) that compared the Eagles offense to the Boston Celtics offense in that they have studied the analytics and are following a formula that is going to be very successful in getting them Ws even if it’s very difficult to watch.

With the Celtics the analytics said to fill the floor with players who can knock down threes and launch as many of them per game as possible. With the Eagles it appears to be gain 3 YPC and get into 3rd and short and use the tush push to get (almost) guaranteed first downs, extend drives, and dominate TOP.

I thought it was a pretty interesting comparison. Unfortunately for us fantasy football fans, while the Celtics could still give us many viable fantasy assets with their approach, the same may not be true of the Eagles and their offense.
I think this is an interesting comparison, and definitely has a grain of truth to it. This Offense has been infuriatingly conservative, looking to rely on the run game.

The unfortunate part is they don’t have the personnel to do it as effectively as they want. But they aren’t motivated to abandon the philosophy because they’re winning.

They lost their best run-blocking WR in Johnny Wilson. They only have 1 true blocking TE, and he is often injured. The Interior OL is struggling, partly playcalling and partly nagging injuries. Lane Johnson is banged up.

They need the bye week to be able to self-scout. It’s pretty clear they are trying to establish themselves as an old-school, dominant run team that can uncork and pass whenever they need. I fear they are going to need a bad loss or two before they abandon their love with condensed, heavy personnel formations and stale, predictable play calls.
 
I was listening to a podcast (can’t remember which) that compared the Eagles offense to the Boston Celtics offense in that they have studied the analytics and are following a formula that is going to be very successful in getting them Ws even if it’s very difficult to watch.

With the Celtics the analytics said to fill the floor with players who can knock down threes and launch as many of them per game as possible. With the Eagles it appears to be gain 3 YPC and get into 3rd and short and use the tush push to get (almost) guaranteed first downs, extend drives, and dominate TOP.

I thought it was a pretty interesting comparison. Unfortunately for us fantasy football fans, while the Celtics could still give us many viable fantasy assets with their approach, the same may not be true of the Eagles and their offense.
I think this is an interesting comparison, and definitely has a grain of truth to it. This Offense has been infuriatingly conservative, looking to rely on the run game.

The unfortunate part is they don’t have the personnel to do it as effectively as they want. But they aren’t motivated to abandon the philosophy because they’re winning.

They lost their best run-blocking WR in Johnny Wilson. They only have 1 true blocking TE, and he is often injured. The Interior OL is struggling, partly playcalling and partly nagging injuries. Lane Johnson is banged up.

They need the bye week to be able to self-scout. It’s pretty clear they are trying to establish themselves as an old-school, dominant run team that can uncork and pass whenever they need. I fear they are going to need a bad loss or two before they abandon their love with condensed, heavy personnel formations and stale, predictable play calls.
The thing that's really infuriating about it, speaking as someone with very little Eagles exposure this year (but a ton last year) is that they are 5 plays from being 0-4. Like, you can argue its working because they are 4-0, but none of the wins feel great.

If Miles Sanders doesn't fumble in the redzone in week 1. If Travis Kelce catches the TD turned INT in week 2, if they don't block FG and return it for a TD, and if Bucky Irving is ruled down (which I still think he was) this week. Those are all arguably losses for Philly. They are playing it WAY too safe and letting games be way too close, and that's not a sustainable formula for success at all.

This team has way too much talent to be...this. This is arguably the best skill position group in the NFL, and among the best OLs (though not the best at the moment) and they are 30th in total yardage, ahead of only the Bengals and Titans. 29th in yards per rush, and 26th in yards per pass.

Last season, the Eagles were 8th in total yards, 5th in yards per rush, and 12th in yards per pass. In my opinion, they need to pass more often and more downfield and that will A) Make AJ Brown happy and get him going, B) take defenders away from the box allowing more for Barkley C) Just add some variance to what is a Tecmo Bowl level offense currently.

ETA: Barkley is currently RB15, and that's despite being 2nd in touches behind only CMC. As much as people are calling AJ Brown a disappointment, Barkley is right there with him, given that he was a universal top-3 overall pick and went #1 in quite a few leagues.
 
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Zach Berman
Saquon Barkley: "I don't really know what you want. If I touch the ball too much sometimes, we're not throwing enough. If we throw it too much and I only have nine touches — I'm not in the business of, what are we doing enough? I'm in the business of winning football games. We didn't win the football game. With nine touches, we had the opportunity to win the football game still. We weren't detailed enough. Too many mistakes, too many penalties."
 
DNP today (estimated) with a knee injury. With the TNF game, something to watch. And against his old team to boot.

ETA: may explain the few number of carries yesterday.
 
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I wonder if he would sit against anyone else but the Giants

Risky on that turf
I don’t think he’s actually injured. They just said he had general soreness.

On a Thursday game this is the Same thing as a veteran rest day of not practicing on a Wednesday for a Sunday game IMO.
 
I wonder if he would sit against anyone else but the Giants

Risky on that turf
I don’t think he’s actually injured. They just said he had general soreness.

On a Thursday game this is the Same thing as a veteran rest day of not practicing on a Wednesday for a Sunday game IMO.
I wonder what the six carries was about then?
Seemed like a gameplan thing. Feels too convenient to say it was just to appease Brown; but it was clear they wanted to attack the secondary with a mid level passing game. Where it gets confusing for me is it wasn't working that well despite the box score. And even though it was just six carries, it felt like some of Barkley's most efficient running of the season. Was ripping off 4-6 yards each tote.

Mixing this with my very non-scientific eye test where they seem to only be putting their ish together 2 out of every 4 quarters each week, and I think they finally ran out of luck with changing OC every season. Patullo's weekly game prep feels off, but even worse, it feels incredibly slow to adjust in game. Either they are scrambling late in the game to pull things together after very slow starts, or they are getting worked over by their opponents second half adjustments and not being flexible enough to change in reaction to it.

I've been a Steelers fan long enough to see some of their fraudulent seasons where the talent/skills on the field don't match their record; but this doesn't feel like that. More so feels like some of KC recent seasons where they are doing barely just enough to get a win and have a good record, but not at all hitting their potential. I imagine a change is coming, and soon. Hard not to believe that change won't include a healthy dose of Barkley work.
 
I wonder what the six carries was about then?
Gameplan, flow of game. His receiving line was rock solid, so…

I expect significant break-out tonight since the Giants are a bit of a run-funnel, and it’s a so-called “revenge game”
The old FF dilemma. Playing him in one league and against him in another. About the same importance level as far as the leagues.

“YAY! Touchdown Saquon!” 🤩

“Oh Damn. Touchdown Saquon” 😡
 
I wonder what the six carries was about then?
Gameplan, flow of game. His receiving line was rock solid, so…

I expect significant break-out tonight since the Giants are a bit of a run-funnel, and it’s a so-called “revenge game”
The old FF dilemma. Playing him in one league and against him in another. About the same importance level as far as the leagues.

“YAY! Touchdown Saquon!” 🤩

“Oh Damn. Touchdown Saquon” 😡
Always root for your guys, especially on Thursday, let god sort'em out!
 
I wonder what the six carries was about then?
Gameplan, flow of game. His receiving line was rock solid, so…

I expect significant break-out tonight since the Giants are a bit of a run-funnel, and it’s a so-called “revenge game”
The old FF dilemma. Playing him in one league and against him in another. About the same importance level as far as the leagues.

“YAY! Touchdown Saquon!” 🤩

“Oh Damn. Touchdown Saquon” 😡
In my case, in my main (home) league have Saquan & my opponent has Hurts.

Hurts has struggled a bit against the Giants, especially the last couple of contests, and this year they seem very not good at throwing the ball.
 
Something about this game gives me the creeps. Feels like a trap game. This Eagle offense is sleepwalking through the season thus far. Uninspiring - going through the motions. Something wrong w leadership or a bad cancer or two in the locker room. Coming off 6 carries? That is just inexplicable for a player so highly regarded. Eagle fans say interior OL is a real issue. Giants D will exploit. I would think runs to the outside, play action and more receptions is needed. They need a bye week not a Thursday game.
 
Something about this game gives me the creeps. Feels like a trap game. This Eagle offense is sleepwalking through the season thus far. Uninspiring - going through the motions. Something wrong w leadership or a bad cancer or two in the locker room. Coming off 6 carries? That is just inexplicable for a player so highly regarded. Eagle fans say interior OL is a real issue. Giants D will exploit. I would think runs to the outside, play action and more receptions is needed. They need a bye week not a Thursday game.
At first i thought you were nuts but I can see this a bit. I do think off a loss philly will be laser focused and Barkley loves to run on the giants but that interior lineman deal is a good point

Giants are just such garbage on offense though, Hyatt can't catch a cold and Collins couldn't start in college. Skat is an overrated goof. They get Tracy back though
 
Something about this game gives me the creeps. Feels like a trap game. This Eagle offense is sleepwalking through the season thus far. Uninspiring - going through the motions. Something wrong w leadership or a bad cancer or two in the locker room. Coming off 6 carries? That is just inexplicable for a player so highly regarded. Eagle fans say interior OL is a real issue. Giants D will exploit. I would think runs to the outside, play action and more receptions is needed. They need a bye week not a Thursday game.
At first i thought you were nuts but I can see this a bit. I do think off a loss philly will be laser focused and Barkley loves to run on the giants but that interior lineman deal is a good point

Giants are just such garbage on offense though, Hyatt can't catch a cold and Collins couldn't start in college. Skat is an overrated goof. They get Tracy back though
We have seen some interesting games but I agree, the biggest factor here is the Eagles defense checkmating the Giants on offense but odd things happen like penalties, turnovers, injuries, odd coaching decisions, did I mention penalties? These division games get weird. Could be 34-10 Eagles or 19-17 Giants. Primetime games have been crazy in the 4Q. Frankly just looking for the monster Barkley game. This is the spot and if it doesn’t happen 😩
 
Something about this game gives me the creeps. Feels like a trap game. This Eagle offense is sleepwalking through the season thus far. Uninspiring - going through the motions. Something wrong w leadership or a bad cancer or two in the locker room. Coming off 6 carries? That is just inexplicable for a player so highly regarded. Eagle fans say interior OL is a real issue. Giants D will exploit. I would think runs to the outside, play action and more receptions is needed. They need a bye week not a Thursday game.
Inter divisional games on Thursday night are tricky. I bet NYG come out trying to play inspired football. I think this won't necessarily be a big game for Saquon, but he still should get 80 yards rushing, some receiving, and a TD.
 
Something about this game gives me the creeps. Feels like a trap game. This Eagle offense is sleepwalking through the season thus far. Uninspiring - going through the motions. Something wrong w leadership or a bad cancer or two in the locker room. Coming off 6 carries? That is just inexplicable for a player so highly regarded. Eagle fans say interior OL is a real issue. Giants D will exploit. I would think runs to the outside, play action and more receptions is needed. They need a bye week not a Thursday game.
I think the lack of outside runs is due to the injuries to the interior. Jurgens and Dickerson can’t pull like they usually do. That might be why Patullo/Nick keep trying the ridiculous heavy formations with non-blocking TEs.

Until the Oline gets healthy and the playcalling becomes less predictable, I think Saquon is running with leg shackles on.
 
Dude has 31 yards on 1st 2 carries and then what the heck happened .... getting too cute and cost them again.
Agree. It looked like he lost something or something came unsnapped. but he looked unstoppable before that.

/\This/\... at first I thought he just needed a quick breather (kinda weird after only 2 carries), but in hindsight, he didn't even have his helmet on so they must have been making equipment repairs.
 
The eagles look to have a bottom 5 offensive line this year and hurts doesnt throw to his rb's.

I only have barkley in a dynasty league that I am a contender, not sure what I am going to do with him. Maybe just hold and try to figure out ways to get him out of my lineup most weeks.
 
Combo of huge downgrade to the OL and awful play calling - dude ripped off 32 yds first 2 touches then barely went to him again for long stretches - and when they did right up the gut into a scrum. It's like the coaches dont want to do what works.
 
One thing some don’t consider when stating the standard “First 3 plays, kajillion yards, rest of game, nada”-line is that many NFL OC’s have zero issue scripting out the first 10-plays reasonably well. They also have zero ability adapting/adjusting as the game goes on.

It seems to me that (off the top of my head) the PHI OC & the AZ OC will be among the first to be canned — who else you guys got that can’t adjust -or- are simply over their head?
 
One thing some don’t consider when stating the standard “First 3 plays, kajillion yards, rest of game, nada”-line is that many NFL OC’s have zero issue scripting out the first 10-plays reasonably well. They also have zero ability adapting/adjusting as the game goes on.

It seems to me that (off the top of my head) the PHI OC & the AZ OC will be among the first to be canned — who else you guys got that can’t adjust -or- are simply over their head?
agreed - but if the scripted plays were working why abandon them? awful play calling
 
Its bad. Has to be the top non injury bust of the year but hey the NFL players voted him the best player in the game and he makes nice commercials
 
Its bad. Has to be the top non injury bust of the year but hey the NFL players voted him the best player in the game and he makes nice commercials
Not as bad as Chase Brown in the early 2nd or Treveyon Henderson in the 3rd. But yeah, I get the point.
I think Barkley has been the biggest non-injury bust hands down, with BTJ probably a distant second. With Saquon, you’re talking about a top 5-7 pick at least in most non-SF drafts.

I think it was a given there would be a dropoff from last year’s magical season and exorbitant touch count. but not like this.
 

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