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[Tecmo]

i think the big question is who has room to grow? Some of these smaller guys can hit the weight-room and add some bulk with some hard work

 

[Maroney=Speed]

i think the big question is who has room to grow? Some of these smaller guys can hit the weight-room and add some bulk with some hard work

EBF, How much does McFadden have to put on, to go up in BMI?

 

[J R]

I was just glancing over some past combine results, and I see Ryan Grant's height/weight in 2005 is nearly identical to McFadden's. 6-1 215 versus 6-1 211.

 

[J R]

here are BMI comps from the 2005-2007 combines

Stewart - Snelling, McLendon, Russell, Drew, Jacobs

Mendenhall - Williams (Car), Arrington, Clayton, Andre Hall

Hart - Ronnie Brown, Chris Henry, Washington, Daniels, Darby, Cadillac

Choice - see Hart

Rice - Darby, Cadillac, Lynch, Sproles

Jones - Addai, Maroney, Calhoun, Harrison, Selvin Young

Slaton - Maroney, Cahoun, Harrison, Selvin Young, Jackson

Charles - Grant, Bush, Herron, Peterson, Irons, Wright

McFadden - Bush, Herron, Peterson, Irons, Wright, A.Pittman

Johnson - see McFadden

One problem with making lists of comps is that the guys close to the average, especially Mendhenhall, Choice, and Hart, have probably 20 guys within 1 point either way of their BMI. It's harder to find comps for Stewart.

 

[EBF]

i think the big question is who has room to grow? Some of these smaller guys can hit the weight-room and add some bulk with some hard work

EBF, How much does McFadden have to put on, to go up in BMI?

He'd have to gain 7 pounds to get to Peterson's BMI of 28.6. He'd have to gain 22 pounds to get to the top 30 RB BMI average of 30.5. He's very thin by NFL RB standards. He doesn't have the lower body bulk you usually see and I doubt weight training will correct the issue.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

i think the big question is who has room to grow? Some of these smaller guys can hit the weight-room and add some bulk with some hard work

EBF, How much does McFadden have to put on, to go up in BMI?

He'd have to gain 7 pounds to get to Peterson's BMI of 28.6. He'd have to gain 22 pounds to get to the top 30 RB BMI average of 30.5. He's very thin by NFL RB standards. He doesn't have the lower body bulk you usually see and I doubt weight training will correct the issue.

Thanks.

 

[EBF]

i think the big question is who has room to grow? Some of these smaller guys can hit the weight-room and add some bulk with some hard work

Usually what you see is what you get when you talk about RB prospects entering the league. The only recent guy I can think of who put on a lot of pounds after being drafted is Portis. He is listed at 5'11" 204 on his draftscout prospect profile. He is listed at 5'11" 223 on his NFL.com profile. Most of the guys who are going to get big do it while they're in college. Kevin Jones started his college career as a speed back, but had grown into a power back by the time the draft came around. He went from about 205 to 220-225 over the course of his three years at Va Tech. These high level college football players are basically professional athletes. Football is their job. And if they play at a D1 school, you can bet they're involved in some type of rigorous weight training program. So the idea that they're suddenly going to gain 10-15 pounds when they get to the NFL seems a little misguided. I think only players who haven't quite filled out their frames can get bigger. If I had to guess about this year's RBs, I'd say Felix Jones, Jamaal Charles, and Steve Slaton look like they could maybe add 5-10 pounds. Mendenhall and Stewart are maxed out. Ditto Rice and Hart. I don't see Chris Johnson or Darren McFadden getting much bigger. Forte and Choice are already at the ideal size.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Usually what you see is what you get when you talk about RB prospects entering the league. The only recent guy I can think of who put on a lot of pounds after being drafted is Portis. He is listed at 5'11" 204 on his draftscout prospect profile. He is listed at 5'11" 223 on his NFL.com profile.

Funny you mention Portis - I singled him out as a smaller back last night with a leaguemate and got corrected. Was shocked he was 223. btw... how are those weights determined? Is there a formal weigh each year? Teams just do it on their own? The NFL mandate anything?

 

[EBF]

btw... how are those weights determined? Is there a formal weigh each year? Teams just do it on their own? The NFL mandate anything?

Probably varies from team to team. Doubt it's formal.

 

[happy_donut]

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[saintfool]

Forte and Choice are already at the ideal size.

that's what a number of observers have said. those two guys aren't headliners in this draft but, as NFL RBs go, they are straight from central casting. if they grade out well, these are some terrific sleeper picks.

 

[redman]

Get the point.

You've got your very own topic that the mods have left open just for you to be a tool in. How about limiting that activity to just one place.TIA

So do you use BMI?

This was turning into a good topic.

Ok, back to topic.1.1 Stewart - 33.71.2 Mendenhall - 32.31.3 Hart - 31.31.4 Choice - 30.81.5 Rice - 30.31.6 Felix - 29.71.7 Slaton - 29.11.8 Charles - 27.91.9 McFadden - 27.81.10 Johnson - 27.5 Thats how the rook draft would go based on BMI.So McFadden would be the 9th best RB. Hart 3rd.OK, so I guess I don't have to trade up to get McFadden. All because McFadden is too tall, and has skinny legs.Ok, I get it. How much would McFadden have to gain to get a better BMI?

You sure put the BM in BMI.

 

[DWidmar]

Last year while reading some draft information, I remember reading some site's draft information, that indicated that certain prospects had certain body frames that would either allow them to gain more mucsle (weight) or that their body type would not allow them to add more muscle to their frame. I am not sure how that was determined but if in fact there is a true way to measure that, then that information could be helpful in this situation, as some players mature later than others and should continue to add muscle (weight) to their frames. I wish I could remember on which site I read that but if I find it I will post a link as it could be helpful in determining how some of the fringe players might be able to improve their BMI once they add some more muscle or weight. This could indicate which players you would want to take chances on in the second or third rounds.

 

[jevy]

I used the RB combine #'s from nfldraftscout.com from 1999-2007 to determine their BMI.

Year Total >33 <28 OK % OK1999 30 1 6 23 762000 34 1 7 26 762001 20 1 2 17 852002 36 2 4 30 832003 24 3 3 18 752004 23 2 0 21 912005 28 2 2 24 852006 25 1 0 24 962007 28 2 2 24 85Total 249 15 26 207 83.5%Since most of the players are within the parameters, then most of starting RB's will also be within the parameters.Of the 207 that were within the range, 117 of them were drafted = 56.5%

Of the 41 that were outside of the range, 24 of them were drafted = 58.5%

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with < 28 BMI

Canidate, Trung

Brown, *Chris

Booker, Lorenzo

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with > 33 BMI

Williams, Ricky

Dayne, Ron

Jordan, Lamont

Duckett, *T.J.

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with >28 and < 33 BMI (63 players)

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James, *Edgerrin

Faulk, Kevin

Montgomery, Joe

Cloud, Mike

Zereoue, *Amos

Johnson, J.J.

Alexander, Shaun

Chapman, Doug

Droughns, Reuben

Jones, Thomas

Lewis, *Jamal

Prentice, Travis

Redmond, J.R.

Barlow, Kevan

Bennett, *Michael

Henry, Travis

Jackson, James

McAllister, Deuce

Minor, Travis

Thomas, Anthony

Tomlinson, LaDainian

Betts, Ladell

Foster, DeShaun

Gordon, Lamar

Green, *William

Morris, Maurice

Portis, *Clinton

Westbrook, Brian

Johnson, Larry

Fargas, Justin

McGahee, *Willis

Smith, *Musa

Bell, Tatum

Jackson, *Steven

Jones, *Kevin

Jones, Greg

Jones, Julius

Perry, Chris

Arrington, J.J.

Benson, Cedric

Brown, Ronnie

Clarett, *Maurice

Gore, *Frank

Moats, *Ryan

Morency, *Vernand

Shelton, *Eric

Williams, Carnell

Addai, Joseph

Bush, *Reggie

Calhoun, *Brian

Drew, *Maurice

Maroney, *Laurence

Norwood, Jerious

White, *LenDale

Williams, DeAngelo

Henry, *Chris

Hunt, Tony

Irons, Kenny

Jackson, *Brandon

Leonard, Brian

Lynch, *Marshawn

Peterson, *Adrian

Wolfe, Garrett

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[JAA]

Slaton and Rice shorter than I thought, but Slaton has put on some weight. It's sort of comical that almost every back on that list in an inch or two shorter than their press guide height.

Not a bad thing for a RB. Mendenhall and Stewart anre the perfect size. Rice needs to add about 15 lbs. Good to see Chalres well under his listed 6'-1" tof course if you are a WR...DeSean Jackson....fizzle.

You wont be saying that when Stewart runs a 4.55 40

 

[EBF]

Slaton and Rice shorter than I thought, but Slaton has put on some weight. It's sort of comical that almost every back on that list in an inch or two shorter than their press guide height.

Not a bad thing for a RB. Mendenhall and Stewart anre the perfect size. Rice needs to add about 15 lbs. Good to see Chalres well under his listed 6'-1" tof course if you are a WR...DeSean Jackson....fizzle.

You wont be saying that when Stewart runs a 4.55 40

I bet he'll run at least 4.45-4.48, not that it really matters all that much.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Get the point.

You've got your very own topic that the mods have left open just for you to be a tool in. How about limiting that activity to just one place.TIA

So do you use BMI?

This was turning into a good topic.

Ok, back to topic.1.1 Stewart - 33.71.2 Mendenhall - 32.31.3 Hart - 31.31.4 Choice - 30.81.5 Rice - 30.31.6 Felix - 29.71.7 Slaton - 29.11.8 Charles - 27.91.9 McFadden - 27.81.10 Johnson - 27.5 Thats how the rook draft would go based on BMI.So McFadden would be the 9th best RB. Hart 3rd.OK, so I guess I don't have to trade up to get McFadden. All because McFadden is too tall, and has skinny legs.Ok, I get it. How much would McFadden have to gain to get a better BMI?

You sure put the BM in BMI.

 

[madd futher]

I used the RB combine #'s from nfldraftscout.com from 1999-2007 to determine their BMI.

Year Total >33 <28 OK % OK1999 30 1 6 23 762000 34 1 7 26 762001 20 1 2 17 852002 36 2 4 30 832003 24 3 3 18 752004 23 2 0 21 912005 28 2 2 24 852006 25 1 0 24 962007 28 2 2 24 85Total 249 15 26 207 83.5%Since most of the players are within the parameters, then most of starting RB's will also be within the parameters.Of the 207 that were within the range, 117 of them were drafted = 56.5%

Of the 41 that were outside of the range, 24 of them were drafted = 58.5%

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with < 28 BMI

Canidate, Trung

Brown, *Chris

Booker, Lorenzo

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with > 33 BMI

Williams, Ricky

Dayne, Ron

Jordan, Lamont

Duckett, *T.J.

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with >28 and < 33 BMI (63 players)

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James, *Edgerrin

Faulk, Kevin

Montgomery, Joe

Cloud, Mike

Zereoue, *Amos

Johnson, J.J.

Alexander, Shaun

Chapman, Doug

Droughns, Reuben

Jones, Thomas

Lewis, *Jamal

Prentice, Travis

Redmond, J.R.

Barlow, Kevan

Bennett, *Michael

Henry, Travis

Jackson, James

McAllister, Deuce

Minor, Travis

Thomas, Anthony

Tomlinson, LaDainian

Betts, Ladell

Foster, DeShaun

Gordon, Lamar

Green, *William

Morris, Maurice

Portis, *Clinton

Westbrook, Brian

Johnson, Larry

Fargas, Justin

McGahee, *Willis

Smith, *Musa

Bell, Tatum

Jackson, *Steven

Jones, *Kevin

Jones, Greg

Jones, Julius

Perry, Chris

Arrington, J.J.

Benson, Cedric

Brown, Ronnie

Clarett, *Maurice

Gore, *Frank

Moats, *Ryan

Morency, *Vernand

Shelton, *Eric

Williams, Carnell

Addai, Joseph

Bush, *Reggie

Calhoun, *Brian

Drew, *Maurice

Maroney, *Laurence

Norwood, Jerious

White, *LenDale

Williams, DeAngelo

Henry, *Chris

Hunt, Tony

Irons, Kenny

Jackson, *Brandon

Leonard, Brian

Lynch, *Marshawn

Peterson, *Adrian

Wolfe, Garrett

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[madd futher]

I used the RB combine #'s from nfldraftscout.com from 1999-2007 to determine their BMI.

Year Total >33 <28 OK % OK1999 30 1 6 23 762000 34 1 7 26 762001 20 1 2 17 852002 36 2 4 30 832003 24 3 3 18 752004 23 2 0 21 912005 28 2 2 24 852006 25 1 0 24 962007 28 2 2 24 85Total 249 15 26 207 83.5%Since most of the players are within the parameters, then most of starting RB's will also be within the parameters.Of the 207 that were within the range, 117 of them were drafted = 56.5%

Of the 41 that were outside of the range, 24 of them were drafted = 58.5%

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with < 28 BMI

Canidate, Trung

Brown, *Chris

Booker, Lorenzo

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with > 33 BMI

Williams, Ricky

Dayne, Ron

Jordan, Lamont

Duckett, *T.J.

Players taken within the 1st 3 rounds with >28 and < 33 BMI (63 players)

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James, *Edgerrin

Faulk, Kevin

Montgomery, Joe

Cloud, Mike

Zereoue, *Amos

Johnson, J.J.

Alexander, Shaun

Chapman, Doug

Droughns, Reuben

Jones, Thomas

Lewis, *Jamal

Prentice, Travis

Redmond, J.R.

Barlow, Kevan

Bennett, *Michael

Henry, Travis

Jackson, James

McAllister, Deuce

Minor, Travis

Thomas, Anthony

Tomlinson, LaDainian

Betts, Ladell

Foster, DeShaun

Gordon, Lamar

Green, *William

Morris, Maurice

Portis, *Clinton

Westbrook, Brian

Johnson, Larry

Fargas, Justin

McGahee, *Willis

Smith, *Musa

Bell, Tatum

Jackson, *Steven

Jones, *Kevin

Jones, Greg

Jones, Julius

Perry, Chris

Arrington, J.J.

Benson, Cedric

Brown, Ronnie

Clarett, *Maurice

Gore, *Frank

Moats, *Ryan

Morency, *Vernand

Shelton, *Eric

Williams, Carnell

Addai, Joseph

Bush, *Reggie

Calhoun, *Brian

Drew, *Maurice

Maroney, *Laurence

Norwood, Jerious

White, *LenDale

Williams, DeAngelo

Henry, *Chris

Hunt, Tony

Irons, Kenny

Jackson, *Brandon

Leonard, Brian

Lynch, *Marshawn

Peterson, *Adrian

Wolfe, Garrett

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Jevy: The BMI calculations you listed were from prior scouting combines? I couldn't find the data - would you please list the heights and weights of each of these RBs taken in the 1st 3 rounds. I'd like to compare them to the current listed ht/wt's per latest nfl rosters. In some cases, it appears there has been considerable 'bulking up' by some of these players in the intervening years since their draft (for ex., J. Lewis)In my own analysis, there is a HUGE drop off in the success rate of RBs taken in rounds 2-3 relative to round 1, which indicates that drafting based on the scout's 'eye test' ie, breaking down the tape' is really the best predictor of future success.

Of the 26 RBs taken in the 1st round since 1999, only 8 WERE NOT or have not been superior performers at least until significant injury:

R. Williams (high BMI +DRUGS), Dayne (high BMI), Canidate (low BMI), Wm Green (Character issues/substance abuse), Duckett (High BMI), C. Perry, C Benson and Deangelo Williams. I think that most would argue that the jury is still out on Deangelo Williams, and give him a pass. Excluding Williams and injuries, 7 out of 25 is a 28% 'failure rate'/ 72% 'success' rate. Not too shabby.

While BMI>33/<28 is indicated in 4 of these 8 cases of underperformance, the sample size appears too small to conclude definitively that BMI plays a significant part, especially when the Ricky Williams wash-out was primarily a drug/ character issue. But BMI outside of the parameters definitely should raise a flag.

But by my count, of the 41 rbs taken in rounds 2 & 3, only 6 have stood out as superior performers so far: T Henry, Portis, Westbrook, Gore, MJD, and Lendale White. This is only a 15% 'success' rate.

I haven't spent any time trying to find a predictor of sucess for RBs taken after round 1. For dynasty purposes tho, I would be inclined to draft any rb selected in the 1st round, and pass on any rb taken after, with the hope to trade for those who subsequently prove themselves.

I would especially be interested in reviewing the combine ht/wt or BMI for Reggie Bush and Lendale White, because intuitively I would think that Bush would have fallen into the low BMI category, and White on the >33 BMI side, but your data suggest that is not the case.

So far, my conclusion is this: While BMI parameters raise a flag in the cases of McFadden and Stewart, I would be most inclined to go with 'the tape' and draft any 1st rounder. But assuming Mendenhall and Jones go in the 1st round, they appear to be the 'safer' picks. I will be very suprized if Rice or Charles make it into round 1. And if they do not, after the 1st rounders, I'll go with the best veteran available when it is my turn to pick.

 

[EBF]

Slaton and Rice shorter than I thought, but Slaton has put on some weight. It's sort of comical that almost every back on that list in an inch or two shorter than their press guide height.

Not a bad thing for a RB. Mendenhall and Stewart anre the perfect size. Rice needs to add about 15 lbs. Good to see Chalres well under his listed 6'-1" tof course if you are a WR...DeSean Jackson....fizzle.

You wont be saying that when Stewart runs a 4.55 40

I bet he'll run at least 4.45-4.48, not that it really matters all that much.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Slaton and Rice shorter than I thought, but Slaton has put on some weight. It's sort of comical that almost every back on that list in an inch or two shorter than their press guide height.

Not a bad thing for a RB. Mendenhall and Stewart anre the perfect size. Rice needs to add about 15 lbs. Good to see Chalres well under his listed 6'-1" tof course if you are a WR...DeSean Jackson....fizzle.

You wont be saying that when Stewart runs a 4.55 40

I bet he'll run at least 4.45-4.48, not that it really matters all that much.

Not a great time for Stewart as, He starts His slip slip away.

 

[EBF]

Slaton and Rice shorter than I thought, but Slaton has put on some weight. It's sort of comical that almost every back on that list in an inch or two shorter than their press guide height.

Not a bad thing for a RB. Mendenhall and Stewart anre the perfect size. Rice needs to add about 15 lbs. Good to see Chalres well under his listed 6'-1" tof course if you are a WR...DeSean Jackson....fizzle.

You wont be saying that when Stewart runs a 4.55 40

I bet he'll run at least 4.45-4.48, not that it really matters all that much.

Not a great time for Stewart as, He starts His slip slip away.

He ran .04 seconds faster than Lynch and only .07 seconds behind Peterson. That's a very good time for a 235 pound man. He also had the best vertical jump of any of the RB prospects. He locked up a spot in the top 25 today.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Slaton and Rice shorter than I thought, but Slaton has put on some weight. It's sort of comical that almost every back on that list in an inch or two shorter than their press guide height.

Not a bad thing for a RB. Mendenhall and Stewart anre the perfect size. Rice needs to add about 15 lbs. Good to see Chalres well under his listed 6'-1" tof course if you are a WR...DeSean Jackson....fizzle.

You wont be saying that when Stewart runs a 4.55 40

I bet he'll run at least 4.45-4.48, not that it really matters all that much.

Not a great time for Stewart as, He starts His slip slip away.

He ran .04 seconds faster than Lynch and only .07 seconds behind Peterson. That's a very good time for a 235 pound man. He also had the best vertical jump of any of the RB prospects. He locked up a spot in the top 25 today.

I guess will see.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Get the point.

You've got your very own topic that the mods have left open just for you to be a tool in. How about limiting that activity to just one place.TIA

So do you use BMI?

This was turning into a good topic.

Ok, back to topic.1.1 Stewart - 33.71.2 Mendenhall - 32.31.3 Hart - 31.31.4 Choice - 30.81.5 Rice - 30.31.6 Felix - 29.71.7 Slaton - 29.11.8 Charles - 27.91.9 McFadden - 27.81.10 Johnson - 27.5 Thats how the rook draft would go based on BMI.So McFadden would be the 9th best RB. Hart 3rd.OK, so I guess I don't have to trade up to get McFadden. All because McFadden is too tall, and has skinny legs.Ok, I get it. How much would McFadden have to gain to get a better BMI?

Wow dude. I don't think I read anywhere in this post that anyone was basing their entire rookie rankings on a BMI! It's just like any other fact, chart, number, ratio, percentage or argument. You use it as anohter building block to form a more cohesive ranking list. How much weight you put on it is up to you. No matter what the stat is, you can find at least one NFL player throughout history that succeeds in spite of it.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Get the point.

You've got your very own topic that the mods have left open just for you to be a tool in. How about limiting that activity to just one place.TIA

So do you use BMI?

This was turning into a good topic.

Ok, back to topic.1.1 Stewart - 33.71.2 Mendenhall - 32.31.3 Hart - 31.31.4 Choice - 30.81.5 Rice - 30.31.6 Felix - 29.71.7 Slaton - 29.11.8 Charles - 27.91.9 McFadden - 27.81.10 Johnson - 27.5 Thats how the rook draft would go based on BMI.So McFadden would be the 9th best RB. Hart 3rd.OK, so I guess I don't have to trade up to get McFadden. All because McFadden is too tall, and has skinny legs.Ok, I get it. How much would McFadden have to gain to get a better BMI?

Wow dude. I don't think I read anywhere in this post that anyone was basing their entire rookie rankings on a BMI! It's just like any other fact, chart, number, ratio, percentage or argument. You use it as anohter building block to form a more cohesive ranking list. How much weight you put on it is up to you. No matter what the stat is, you can find at least one NFL player throughout history that succeeds in spite of it.

You show up late for the party, without any beer? Who is this guy?

 

[jevy]

Jevy: The BMI calculations you listed were from prior scouting combines? I couldn't find the data - would you please list the heights and weights of each of these RBs taken in the 1st 3 rounds. I'd like to compare them to the current listed ht/wt's per latest nfl rosters. In some cases, it appears there has been considerable 'bulking up' by some of these players in the intervening years since their draft (for ex., J. Lewis)

In my own analysis, there is a HUGE drop off in the success rate of RBs taken in rounds 2-3 relative to round 1, which indicates that drafting based on the scout's 'eye test' ie, breaking down the tape' is really the best predictor of future success.

Of the 26 RBs taken in the 1st round since 1999, only 8 WERE NOT or have not been superior performers at least until significant injury:

R. Williams (high BMI +DRUGS), Dayne (high BMI), Canidate (low BMI), Wm Green (Character issues/substance abuse), Duckett (High BMI), C. Perry, C Benson and Deangelo Williams. I think that most would argue that the jury is still out on Deangelo Williams, and give him a pass. Excluding Williams and injuries, 7 out of 25 is a 28% 'failure rate'/ 72% 'success' rate. Not too shabby.

While BMI>33/<28 is indicated in 4 of these 8 cases of underperformance, the sample size appears too small to conclude definitively that BMI plays a significant part, especially when the Ricky Williams wash-out was primarily a drug/ character issue. But BMI outside of the parameters definitely should raise a flag.

But by my count, of the 41 rbs taken in rounds 2 & 3, only 6 have stood out as superior performers so far: T Henry, Portis, Westbrook, Gore, MJD, and Lendale White. This is only a 15% 'success' rate.

I haven't spent any time trying to find a predictor of sucess for RBs taken after round 1. For dynasty purposes tho, I would be inclined to draft any rb selected in the 1st round, and pass on any rb taken after, with the hope to trade for those who subsequently prove themselves.

I would especially be interested in reviewing the combine ht/wt or BMI for Reggie Bush and Lendale White, because intuitively I would think that Bush would have fallen into the low BMI category, and White on the >33 BMI side, but your data suggest that is not the case.

So far, my conclusion is this: While BMI parameters raise a flag in the cases of McFadden and Stewart, I would be most inclined to go with 'the tape' and draft any 1st rounder. But assuming Mendenhall and Jones go in the 1st round, they appear to be the 'safer' picks. I will be very suprized if Rice or Charles make it into round 1. And if they do not, after the 1st rounders, I'll go with the best veteran available when it is my turn to pick.

Hey madd.I got the info from nfldraftscout.com. They have a menu which links as far back as 1999.

Link to 2007

If someone has a better link then feel free to post it.

The main thing I wanted to look at was the claim that the BMI between 28 and 33 was important. As someone correctly hypothesized, the reason most of the starting Rb's were within the parameters was because the vast majority of Rb's drafted into the league fit the parameter.

Does that mean we should discount talented players outside of that range? IMO, no, but I guess I did a poor job of explaining myself.

If people want to use the 'RB BMI' rule in the same manner that some use the '3rd year WR' myth, then so be it.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Get the point.

You've got your very own topic that the mods have left open just for you to be a tool in. How about limiting that activity to just one place.TIA

So do you use BMI?

This was turning into a good topic.

Ok, back to topic.1.1 Stewart - 33.71.2 Mendenhall - 32.31.3 Hart - 31.31.4 Choice - 30.81.5 Rice - 30.31.6 Felix - 29.71.7 Slaton - 29.11.8 Charles - 27.91.9 McFadden - 27.81.10 Johnson - 27.5 Thats how the rook draft would go based on BMI.So McFadden would be the 9th best RB. Hart 3rd.OK, so I guess I don't have to trade up to get McFadden. All because McFadden is too tall, and has skinny legs.Ok, I get it. How much would McFadden have to gain to get a better BMI?

Wow dude. I don't think I read anywhere in this post that anyone was basing their entire rookie rankings on a BMI! It's just like any other fact, chart, number, ratio, percentage or argument. You use it as anohter building block to form a more cohesive ranking list. How much weight you put on it is up to you. No matter what the stat is, you can find at least one NFL player throughout history that succeeds in spite of it.

You show up late for the party, without any beer? Who is this guy?

I've got beer! You should have told me you were dry. I'd have floated you a few pops!