ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Don't know why they would spend any high capital on an RB when he's not gonna get a chance to get on the field.
Benson barely has, and he's progressively looked better in very limited action as the season's gone on.
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Benson barely has, and he's progressively looked better in very limited action as the season's gone on.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
…..but……but…..but…..6 games under 4 yards per carry his last year in college. Maybe he’s JAG.
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zamboni
Footballguy
They proabably don’t need to spend a high pick next year to get a good RB
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
If that’s true, then the right way to copycat would be to replicate Detroit’s O-line
Hankmoody
Footballguy
You're only saying this with the hindsight of those turnouts. It's glorious when it pays out - ask the Mixon/Chase Brown or Bucky Ivring or Kyren Williams or Chuba Hubbard or Brian Robinson or etc etc etc owners. Not to mention the handcuff impact - when Conner misses a game or two Benson's going to get monster workloads those games and those are great spot starts and bye week covers.
I'm the exact opposite of this thinking - I like to go all in on a premium guy or two then take my return throw-ins and stash these guys. It's the Not For Long league in the aggregate and old RB never win their fight with Father Time, some just hold on a little longer than others. The best is when you hit and flip them for a premium-ish WR that does have longevity and rinse repeat. Remember Antonio Gibson? (no one else does either). He netted me Terry McLaurin whose been a solid WR2 for me since.
And just because they get this contract doesn't mean they are going to get 100% of the carries for the next decade. Teams have floor spending they must reach so giving $8M to Conner can just be about managing the floor and rewarding him for past over-production than it is indicative of future workloads. I promise you this - when Conner loses a step and starts averaging 3.1 YPC his $9.5M non-guaranteed money won't mean a thing. His 2024 cap hit is $8.94M so this is hardly even a raise for him at $9.5M per year.
Those are not similar in any way to what I described.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Howso? They are all non-premium draft picks behind incumbent/established starters with no reason to believe those guys were going anywhere at the time.
Mixon is not like the rest, back to him next.
None of the others were first round rookie dynasty picks. No one is saying not to draft RB's. That's ridicilous. Those Rb's you mentioned were all second round or later, some into the 4th round or rookie drafts. Benson and Miller were going mid round one of most of my drafts.
Mixon does not meet what I term as a "RB in waiting" where he had no realistic shot to beat out the incumbent and anyone who ever drafted him thought he was you were just holding him as a handcuff until the current starter left.
Repeating. Spending first round draft capital on RB's who have no realisic shot to beat out the starter and you are committing that draft capital on the idea the current starter will be leaving in a year or two and the job will the theirs. That was the idea behing Benson and Kendre. That criteria did not apply to any of those RB's you mentioned.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
This isn't repeating, you didn't say first round draft capital or no realistic shot to beat out the starter (unless it was somewhere else). Seems to be a very specific band of targets but Achane and James Cook are two other counter-examples. I was going on the implication of 3rd-4th round NFL picks taken to compete/transition into a target share role.
Repeating - this is all hindsight. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. But I'm not going to miss out on Tre'veon Henderson becoming a stud in Green Bay in a couple years just because Keandre Miller wasn't as good as we thought it was.
I absoulely referenced draft capital and RB's in waiting in the post you responded to. I also mentioned my comments from other threads which wen in depth.
You are again using examples that don't apply.
I said "repeat" to make what I was saying clear. You are trying to turn this into something else.
You call it hindsight. I'm calling it a learning experience.
I have no use for your brand of constant negativity. You are the kind of guy who when I see respond to my post I already know it's to argue. I'm blocking you. Merry Xmas and Happy Holidays and whatever makes you such a bleak soul I hope improves.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Imagine the frustration if every RB leapt to the top of the depth chart during their rookie year.
NFL teams releasing backs because "25 is too old."
He's 22. How many pages before this thread says "Benson had his run, time for ____ to take over."
NFL teams releasing backs because "25 is too old."
He's 22. How many pages before this thread says "Benson had his run, time for ____ to take over."
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Those are very vague terms but w/e
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Why did this guy not get a lot of run last year?
James Conner was having a great year, and Benson was banged up and wasn't outplaying Emari Demercado (which may well continue) when he did play.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like him as a Conner handcuff, and I agree he has future value. AZ didn’t add anyone of consequence.
He’s looked good when he’s played, he’s only 22, and I don’t see any of Demercado, Deejay Dallas, or Michael Carter as a threat.
From what I can tell, he was drafted to be the heir apparent to Conner, and I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see more of a RBBC to keep Conner healthy.
Folks are sleeping on him because he got bit by the injury bug at the end of the year. It’s wild how quickly the FF community sours on players they once fell in love with. FF is a fickle romance.
He’s looked good when he’s played, he’s only 22, and I don’t see any of Demercado, Deejay Dallas, or Michael Carter as a threat.
From what I can tell, he was drafted to be the heir apparent to Conner, and I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see more of a RBBC to keep Conner healthy.
Folks are sleeping on him because he got bit by the injury bug at the end of the year. It’s wild how quickly the FF community sours on players they once fell in love with. FF is a fickle romance.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Maybe, but I remember his last season in college where he ha 6 games under four yards per carry.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Well, he surpassed that mark his rookie year.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Well then I suppose he’s well on his way.
massraider
Footballguy
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Every touch his rookie year.
His situation is probably better this year than last year, but I'm not seeing a whole lot of interesting touches there. Just kind of all around OK.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Buy-low window seems to be closing a bit…
But Conner is 30, and the cliff comes for everyone. It may not be this year, but Benson seems to be viewed as the heir apparent in AZ, and at his current dynasty price he seems like a worthy gamble to me.
I dealt a LB2 type for him in a league where I roster Conner - these quotes have me thinking about sniffing him out in my other dynasty leagues as a futures gamble.
Right now he’s valued in the RB35-40 range. I rate him for redraft as a Conner handcuff. Remarkably, Conner has improved his YPC over the last few seasons.
But Conner is 30, and the cliff comes for everyone. It may not be this year, but Benson seems to be viewed as the heir apparent in AZ, and at his current dynasty price he seems like a worthy gamble to me.
I dealt a LB2 type for him in a league where I roster Conner - these quotes have me thinking about sniffing him out in my other dynasty leagues as a futures gamble.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Agreed, good target after last season but upward trending now. Conner owner actually dropped him in dynasty cuts before the draft (only 18 spots but still surprised). Starting to regret not burning my waiver priority on him as he seems like he is focused and learning from a great vet in Conner.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
For all those poo pooing his limited touches, I found this on another FF site. Seems like quality insight:
“In 2024, Benson was highly efficient on his limited touches, averaging a robust 4.6 yards per carry and consistently displaying his ability to break tackles and create big plays. He posted an impressive 3.6 yards after contact per attempt and had a 15% breakaway run rate(runs of 15+ yards), elite marks that scream untapped potential”
I dunno, that write up seems a bit much, not sure you can consistently do anything when you're getting 3 carries a game.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m reasonably certain they’re talking about his potential in the context of if Conner goes down, or if Benson works into more of a committee - which would be more than 3 carries a game.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
That was Demarcado... unless this is to show further proof of how buried Benson is on this depth chart.
When you have a RB who maybe needs some development before hes ready and you have a guy like Conor, there is no need to rush the kid. get him up to speed, coach him up, and use up the last ounce of football Conor has. We all know that the more an RB is used the shorter the career tends to be. so give him a year to mature a bit more physically, get his blocking and blitz pickup up to speed and he will be good.
There are still a lot of coaches out there who will not put a RB out on the field if they cant make the right read on a blitz. and with the money spent on QB these days I cannot say I blame them. so if hes not cutting it in this area, then of course they will sit him until this part of his game is at least decent.
so It wouldnt surprise me if we see a little more love for him this year. Whether he becomes the starter remains to be seen. but I'm expecting bigger things from him than what we saw last year.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
RB is the easiest position of offense to learn. The only thing keeping Trey Benson off the field is Trey Benson.
How is he in pass protection? Doesn't seem to pertain to Arizona, given his backfield-mate Kyler Murray. If a 30 year old, oft-injured, 3rd rounder is standing in your way from relevant output in an offense, desperately in need of offensive output, is standing in your way... you probably aren't very good.
The clip from Kyler above... I am almost certain is talking about Trey MCBRIDE because Trey Benson
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Huh? Trey McBride already broke out.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Thanks Alex, here is a Trey Benson highlight for you.
They say 20 yard gain, I see a guy who should have bounced to the outside and not ran right into his linemen and contact. I was being sarcastic about the McBride vs Benson argument and just trying to say, Trey Benson has a lot of work to do to be a decent RB in this league.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I hope he shares that cortisone cream with Benson if he breaks out.
The Frankman
Footballguy
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Looks like one of the better handcuffs to a guy that has missed time in the past.
Footballdaz
Footballguy
Plus Arizona has one of the easiest schedules against the run.....
Connor won't last the year...Benson top 5 handcuff.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
100%, good player to try and get someone to throw in as part of a bigger trade or keep an eye in case a team with him encounters some injuries with bye weeks and feels the need to drop him.
Would you rather have Benson or Brian Robinson? Assume you don't have either Conner or CMC
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Damn good question. Give me Benson in redraft and dynasty. I think for redraft Connor is more likely to miss time over McCaffrey. For dynasty I just feel he is a better RB. Imo
efactor
Footballguy
Benson easily. Much more explosive runner
Thanks me too. In redraft I have CMC and offered Benson this week for B Robinson and he rejected it.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Annoying, good offer from you.
jm192
Footballguy
Agree with this.
Benson is more talented and behind a more vulnerable starter. Conner is now 30 . And while some guys have continued strong play into their 30's, I still expect we see the majority of RB's fall off somewhat at 30.
I think Benson has a role regardless and eventually takes over as the starter this year whether it's due to injury or ineffectiveness.
I know Robinson got 10 touches last week. But CMC still got 31 touches. The 49ers may want to give the RB's 40+ touches during this stretch while Purdy and Kittle are out. But come mid season, I expect it to be the CMC show with Robinson getting fewer touches.
