RB Tyler Allgeier, ATL (2 Viewers)

[rockaction]

I'd be shocked. James Robinson is a professional RB, exactly what BB loves. Unless he looks like arse then I don't see him going anywhere

He was never very fast to begin with and then tore his achilles tendon. What you saw and what you might see are two different things entirely, unless he's come all the way back. I roster Robinson and badly want him to succeed, but it might not be in the cards. He was a UDFA for a reason, and he couldn't lose that precious step he never had.

 

[Faust]

Analysis: Why Tyler Allgeier has the right mindset after Falcons drafted Bijan Robinson

 

[Weebs210]

Best handcuff this year easily. He will have some stand alone value without an injury as well.

 

[Bri]

Best handcuff this year easily. He will have some stand alone value without an injury as well.

Disagree
Patterson will wreck any value he has and then Avery will take what's left

 

[MCFootball123]

Patterson didn't wreck Allgeier's value last year...

In the event of a Bijan injury Tyler is going to be the man, such an underrated RB. Patterson is a gadget guy that is another year older. He has proven he can't hold up between the tackles already.

 

[Weebs210]

Best handcuff this year easily. He will have some stand alone value without an injury as well.

Disagree
Patterson will wreck any value he has and then Avery will take what's left

Avery...come on man lol

 

[Bri]

Best handcuff this year easily. He will have some stand alone value without an injury as well.

Disagree
Patterson will wreck any value he has and then Avery will take what's left

Avery...come on man lol

Torn ACL, I see.
Replacing a speedy little bugger third down back, I'd go with Patterson's hands over Algeier. I might give Patterson an early carry to get Bijan in on third.
I really don't see much for this guy.
I don't expect Patterson to play much longer.
Algeier could be a key backup in 2024 but this year looks bleak imo

 

[Bri]

Patterson didn't wreck Allgeier's value last year...

In the event of a Bijan injury Tyler is going to be the man, such an underrated RB. Patterson is a gadget guy that is another year older. He has proven he can't hold up between the tackles already.

Patterson opened with a 120 yard game.
When Algeier got his chance he split carries with Huntley and iirc Huntley did better initially.
Algeier had several meh games and then closed the season strong with a few nice games during which...Patterson scored rushing touchdowns.

What did he have 300 yards the last three games? That leaves about 700 over 14 weeks or a 50 yard average. It's unexciting and ordinary.
I'm not saying it's the only reason or anything but there was a reason they drafted Bijan and this off-season, Algeier owners don't seem to be admitting that. I've been there too with different players, no doubt, we all do in FF but a player replaced didn't do enough of something and ya gotta concede that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Allgeier should be requesting a trade.
Guy racked up over 1,100 yds as a Rookie, caught 16 of his 17 targets, perhaps he could catch a few more if given the opp.
He is going to be severely limited in this offense and barring an injury, he's a back up.
5th Rd pick, he's cheap, how could a team not trade a 4th for him and lock in for 2-3 years at a very low salary and see if he has the ability to further his game?
I'll point to the Chiefs, they could use another RB to pair with Pacheco, we all know CEH is garbage at this point and likely won't be extended, Allgeier could eat some carries when they are nursing leads and I think would make a decent combo with Pacheco who is obviously a little more explosive but would make a nice 1-2 punch for Mahomes and cheap the next 2-3 years while they rack up more Lombardi Trophies.

 

[Weebs210]

Allgeier should be requesting a trade.
Guy racked up over 1,100 yds as a Rookie, caught 16 of his 17 targets, perhaps he could catch a few more if given the opp.
He is going to be severely limited in this offense and barring an injury, he's a back up.
5th Rd pick, he's cheap, how could a team not trade a 4th for him and lock in for 2-3 years at a very low salary and see if he has the ability to further his game?
I'll point to the Chiefs, they could use another RB to pair with Pacheco, we all know CEH is garbage at this point and likely won't be extended, Allgeier could eat some carries when they are nursing leads and I think would make a decent combo with Pacheco who is obviously a little more explosive but would make a nice 1-2 punch for Mahomes and cheap the next 2-3 years while they rack up more Lombardi Trophies.

As the player I'd agree. For fantasy purposes this feels like an ideal spot you could ask for as a back up. They run the ball a lot and still want to get him touches. I think it will surprise people how many touches he gets this year. Plus he's easily the highest upside handcuff this year. If bijan goes down allgeier is going to eat.

 

[MCFootball123]

Agree with the above. Falcon fan here... I think ATL loves the spot they are in with Allgeier. This backfield will look a lot like Detroit in my opinion. Bijan may have a bigger share than Gibbs, but I see Allgeier producing very similarly to Montgomery and you can get him for almost nothing. If Bijan were to go down? $$$

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Allgeier should be requesting a trade.
Guy racked up over 1,100 yds as a Rookie, caught 16 of his 17 targets, perhaps he could catch a few more if given the opp.
He is going to be severely limited in this offense and barring an injury, he's a back up.
5th Rd pick, he's cheap, how could a team not trade a 4th for him and lock in for 2-3 years at a very low salary and see if he has the ability to further his game?
I'll point to the Chiefs, they could use another RB to pair with Pacheco, we all know CEH is garbage at this point and likely won't be extended, Allgeier could eat some carries when they are nursing leads and I think would make a decent combo with Pacheco who is obviously a little more explosive but would make a nice 1-2 punch for Mahomes and cheap the next 2-3 years while they rack up more Lombardi Trophies.

I’m sure a 5th round pick has a ton of leverage to demand and force a trade

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Allgeier should be requesting a trade.
Guy racked up over 1,100 yds as a Rookie, caught 16 of his 17 targets, perhaps he could catch a few more if given the opp.
He is going to be severely limited in this offense and barring an injury, he's a back up.
5th Rd pick, he's cheap, how could a team not trade a 4th for him and lock in for 2-3 years at a very low salary and see if he has the ability to further his game?
I'll point to the Chiefs, they could use another RB to pair with Pacheco, we all know CEH is garbage at this point and likely won't be extended, Allgeier could eat some carries when they are nursing leads and I think would make a decent combo with Pacheco who is obviously a little more explosive but would make a nice 1-2 punch for Mahomes and cheap the next 2-3 years while they rack up more Lombardi Trophies.

I’m sure a 5th round pick has a ton of leverage to demand and force a trade

Why wouldn't a team try and make a trade for him with a '24 pick? How much could Atlanta demand for him?
It doesn't have to be just Tyler demanding the trade, seems like an obvious poach for another team.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Allgeier should be requesting a trade.
Guy racked up over 1,100 yds as a Rookie, caught 16 of his 17 targets, perhaps he could catch a few more if given the opp.
He is going to be severely limited in this offense and barring an injury, he's a back up.
5th Rd pick, he's cheap, how could a team not trade a 4th for him and lock in for 2-3 years at a very low salary and see if he has the ability to further his game?
I'll point to the Chiefs, they could use another RB to pair with Pacheco, we all know CEH is garbage at this point and likely won't be extended, Allgeier could eat some carries when they are nursing leads and I think would make a decent combo with Pacheco who is obviously a little more explosive but would make a nice 1-2 punch for Mahomes and cheap the next 2-3 years while they rack up more Lombardi Trophies.

I’m sure a 5th round pick has a ton of leverage to demand and force a trade

Why wouldn't a team try and make a trade for him with a '24 pick? How much could Atlanta demand for him?
It doesn't have to be just Tyler demanding the trade, seems like an obvious poach for another team.

I have no idea. I was simply addressing your earlier comment that Allegier should demand a trade. He has zero leverage.

 

[bostonfred]

Allgeier should be requesting a trade.
Guy racked up over 1,100 yds as a Rookie, caught 16 of his 17 targets, perhaps he could catch a few more if given the opp.
He is going to be severely limited in this offense and barring an injury, he's a back up.
5th Rd pick, he's cheap, how could a team not trade a 4th for him and lock in for 2-3 years at a very low salary and see if he has the ability to further his game?
I'll point to the Chiefs, they could use another RB to pair with Pacheco, we all know CEH is garbage at this point and likely won't be extended, Allgeier could eat some carries when they are nursing leads and I think would make a decent combo with Pacheco who is obviously a little more explosive but would make a nice 1-2 punch for Mahomes and cheap the next 2-3 years while they rack up more Lombardi Trophies.

Why would Allgeier want to be traded? He's playing on a rookie contract and can't negotiate for a couple years. He's getting work without destroying his body. He's going to be in a position to play out his first contract and probably get a multi million dollar second contract which is something most 5th round picks only dream of. This is like his dream situation

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Allgeier should be requesting a trade.
Guy racked up over 1,100 yds as a Rookie, caught 16 of his 17 targets, perhaps he could catch a few more if given the opp.
He is going to be severely limited in this offense and barring an injury, he's a back up.
5th Rd pick, he's cheap, how could a team not trade a 4th for him and lock in for 2-3 years at a very low salary and see if he has the ability to further his game?
I'll point to the Chiefs, they could use another RB to pair with Pacheco, we all know CEH is garbage at this point and likely won't be extended, Allgeier could eat some carries when they are nursing leads and I think would make a decent combo with Pacheco who is obviously a little more explosive but would make a nice 1-2 punch for Mahomes and cheap the next 2-3 years while they rack up more Lombardi Trophies.

Why would Allgeier want to be traded? He's playing on a rookie contract and can't negotiate for a couple years. He's getting work without destroying his body. He's going to be in a position to play out his first contract and probably get a multi million dollar second contract which is something most 5th round picks only dream of. This is like his dream situation

BACK UP!
He won't see meaningful touches

 

[bostonfred]

Allgeier should be requesting a trade.
Guy racked up over 1,100 yds as a Rookie, caught 16 of his 17 targets, perhaps he could catch a few more if given the opp.
He is going to be severely limited in this offense and barring an injury, he's a back up.
5th Rd pick, he's cheap, how could a team not trade a 4th for him and lock in for 2-3 years at a very low salary and see if he has the ability to further his game?
I'll point to the Chiefs, they could use another RB to pair with Pacheco, we all know CEH is garbage at this point and likely won't be extended, Allgeier could eat some carries when they are nursing leads and I think would make a decent combo with Pacheco who is obviously a little more explosive but would make a nice 1-2 punch for Mahomes and cheap the next 2-3 years while they rack up more Lombardi Trophies.

Why would Allgeier want to be traded? He's playing on a rookie contract and can't negotiate for a couple years. He's getting work without destroying his body. He's going to be in a position to play out his first contract and probably get a multi million dollar second contract which is something most 5th round picks only dream of. This is like his dream situation

BACK UP!
He won't see meaningful touches

What is meaningful? He won't get 300. Not many do. He will probably get around 200. That's pretty meaningful.

If you don't think he can get 200 touches then do you think they'll use the rbs less with him and Bijan than they did with him Cordarelle and Huntley? Or do you think that Bijan will get something ridiculous like 400 touches?

Realistically Allgeier as a backup will still get enough work to prove himself worthy of a second contract. He might be able to get 3-4 million a year as a successful career backup and he's set up for success as a backup in a high volume offense.

 

[Faust]

The Athletic’s Josh Kendall believes Tyler Allgeier will see 170 touches in 2023.

Kendall predicted the team’s touch distribution in a recent column, forecasting Bijan Robinson for 301 total touches as Atlanta’s lead back. Allgeier, who last year had 226 touches and proved efficient as a rusher and a pass catcher, is still expected to be utilized in the Falcons’ run-heavy offense. Kendall said the Falcons “will go into each game this season with a plan for which running back will get the most carries, but [head coach Arthur] Smith believes in sticking with what’s working, too.” “We may have the idea that we want to get guys a certain number of carries and then all of a sudden Allgeier gets a hot hand and what you’re doing with him is working,” Smith said. “Don’t be rigid. We have to win the game.” Robinson can still perform as an elite fantasy option with Allgeier involved in the team’s rushing attack. Allgeier would be a top-12 fantasy option if Robinson were to miss time in 2023.

 

[eighsse2]

Am I crazy if, as a Bijan dynasty owner, I hope Bijan outperforms Allgeier into irrelevance less for Bijan's benefit, than simply for everyone to stop pronouncing the guy's name like "al-JEER" when it should obviously be "ALL-guy-er"?

 

[Weebs210]

Am I crazy if, as a Bijan dynasty owner, I hope Bijan outperforms Allgeier into irrelevance less for Bijan's benefit, than simply for everyone to stop pronouncing the guy's name like "al-JEER" when it should obviously be "ALL-guy-er"?

We will call him Allegra and you will like it

 

[Truebluey]

We buying? He looks like the perfect hammer for this offense.

 

[Drake Hater]

Yep. Looks like a buy to me.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I expect Robinson to get a bigger share of touches as the season goes on, but I think that Algier will continue to get enough of a role to be a potential Flex and bye week guy.

 

[Da Franchise]

I’d call him a sell and specifically to the Bijan owner. I’m also fine holding but I’m not buying for any attractive asset. No shade, he’s solid, just doesn’t make any sense to me how they can justify giving him the goal line all season.

 

[urbanhack]

We buying? He looks like the perfect hammer for this offense.

Hammer? He ran into end zone un touched.

 

[TampaMike19]

I’d say a sell as Bijan looked good and it will not be 50/50. Today was a good day to use Allgeier - the panthers were laughably bad. Maybe he has some browns hunt type of days

 

[The Frankman]

Tyler Allgeier rushed 15 times for 75 yards and two touchdowns in Week 1 vs the Panthers.

He caught all three of his targets for 19 yards. Bijan Robinson started and scored on the opening series, but Allgeier outsnapped the rookie and saw more touches. Allgeier also saw red-zone work, converting a pair of three-yard carries for scores. Atlanta could get Cordarrelle Patterson (thigh) back next week, adding another back to the rotation behind Robinson, but Allgeier should remain the favorite in short-yardage and goal-line spots. The Packers are a playable matchup for both of Atlanta’s backs in Week 2.
- Rotoworld

 

[Faust]

Tyler Allgeier bounces off the pile up for the go-ahead TD run

 

[Faust]

Josh Norris
Atlanta Falcons carries inside of the 10 yard line:

10 - Tyler Allgeier
5 - Desmond Ridder
2 - Cordarrelle Patterson
2 - Bijan Robinson
1 - KhaDarel Hodge
1- Jonnu Smith

https://twitter.com/joshnorris/status/1721938784894288119?s=21

Arthur Smith believes Tyler Allgeier is "one of the best goal line and short-yardage backs in the league"

so listen to him and act accordingly

https://twitter.com/joshnorris/status/1721946763504877748?s=21

 

[eighsse2]

Allgeier's usage over Bijan would be way less annoying if they would JUST PRONOUNCE HIS NAME RIGHT! How can anyone think that is al-JEER? I will have to watch Falcons games on mute if at all.

 

[Football Jones]

Josh Norris
Atlanta Falcons carries inside of the 10 yard line:

10 - Tyler Allgeier
5 - Desmond Ridder
2 - Cordarrelle Patterson
2 - Bijan Robinson
1 - KhaDarel Hodge
1- Jonnu Smith

https://twitter.com/joshnorris/status/1721938784894288119?s=21

Arthur Smith believes Tyler Allgeier is "one of the best goal line and short-yardage backs in the league"

so listen to him and act accordingly

https://twitter.com/joshnorris/status/1721946763504877748?s=21

Good find. I guess we now know why Allgeier is getting the vast majority of the GL touches.

 

[elmanx]

Allgeier's usage over Bijan would be way less annoying if they would JUST PRONOUNCE HIS NAME RIGHT! How can anyone think that is al-JEER? I will have to watch Falcons games on mute if at all.

I also have found it extremely bothersome. But I've heard it said that way so much that it has gotten me wondering if that is how Tyler pronounces it himself. That would be really weird, though. On the other hand, I thought the announcers meet with some players in the week leading up to the game at least in some limited capacity, so at some point I think Tyler would set them straight on the pronunciation.

 

[eighsse2]

Allgeier's usage over Bijan would be way less annoying if they would JUST PRONOUNCE HIS NAME RIGHT! How can anyone think that is al-JEER? I will have to watch Falcons games on mute if at all.

I also have found it extremely bothersome. But I've heard it said that way so much that it has gotten me wondering if that is how Tyler pronounces it himself. That would be really weird, though. On the other hand, I thought the announcers meet with some players in the week leading up to the game at least in some limited capacity, so at some point I think Tyler would set them straight on the pronunciation.

Yeah I've thought of that too. Tyler could be IGNORANT too. No, just kidding, if he does pronounce it that way, I'd respect that. Names are weird.

 

[titusbramble]

Allgeier's usage over Bijan would be way less annoying if they would JUST PRONOUNCE HIS NAME RIGHT! How can anyone think that is al-JEER? I will have to watch Falcons games on mute if at all.

I also have found it extremely bothersome. But I've heard it said that way so much that it has gotten me wondering if that is how Tyler pronounces it himself. That would be really weird, though. On the other hand, I thought the announcers meet with some players in the week leading up to the game at least in some limited capacity, so at some point I think Tyler would set them straight on the pronunciation.

I know at least the Raiders distribute a list of pronunciations for certain players which aren't obvious as part of their press releases, it wouldn't surprise me if it's something clubs are required to do

 

[Faust]

The Coachspeak Index
#Falcons OC Zac Robinson on Tyler Allgeier:

“Certainly, Tyler’s gonna have a big role. And, certainly — at certain points of the season — we’re gonna be leaning on him.”

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2024-07-30

 

[Faust]

Two very different outlooks here:

Scott Barrett
Atlanta Falcons beat writer @ByDanielFlick (via the @32BeatWriters podcast) is predicting:

~16 carries per game from Bijan Robinson
~14 carries per game from Tyler Allgeier
a roughly 50/50 split inside the red zone, with probably a little more work going to Tyler Allgeier

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@RotoBallerNFL
.@DOrlandoAJC said on SiriusXM that he expects 25 touches per game for Bijan Robinson and 5 touches per game for Tyler Allgeier when asked how 30 RB touches would be split up in Atlanta each game

Based on what he’s seen in practice, Bijan would absolutely be the goal line back

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[Ilov80s]

I just don't put stock into beat writers when they get into touch breakdowns

 

[kface]

My wild and whacky prediction the last couple of months has been TA is more fantasy relevant that BR

 

[gbill2004]

My wild and whacky prediction the last couple of months has been TA is more fantasy relevant that BR

Please expand on this theory

 

[JoeJoe88]

My wild and whacky prediction the last couple of months has been TA is more fantasy relevant that BR

The only way that this would be true is with a Bijan injury.

Sigh…we need football already.

 

[scothawk]

For those into handcuffs (that actually doesn't read well) Allegier is probably the prize specimen of such in the league. Will get enough work weekly to throw off a few points and chance of a TD, and if Robinson misses time then BOOM. I cant think of another back up with a higher floor and ceiling than this dude, and certainly not at his price.

 

[kyoun1e]

For those into handcuffs (that actually doesn't read well) Allegier is probably the prize specimen of such in the league. Will get enough work weekly to throw off a few points and chance of a TD, and if Robinson misses time then BOOM. I cant think of another back up with a higher floor and ceiling than this dude, and certainly not at his price.

Have the #3 pick in one league and if Bijan is there Allegier is someone I will be grabbing ahead of his ADP.

 

[kface]

My wild and whacky prediction the last couple of months has been TA is more fantasy relevant that BR

Please expand on this theory

I think, and I get it's a theory at this point, that he sees more carries than most think he will. I also think he sees a ton of goal line work. In this fantasy i can see him with 12tds to Bijan's 6.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

I'm shocked to see TA only rostered in about 1/3rd of leagues on Yahoo. I think he is one of the best handcuffs around.

 

[Chaka]

Seems like rumors of his standalone value may have been greatly exaggerated.

I assume he's still viable as a handcuff, though.

 

[kface]

Seems like rumors of his standalone value may have been greatly exaggerated.

I assume he's still viable as a handcuff, though.

That's a pretty big conclusion to jump to given that game and it's week 1

Can just as easily conclude he's the better back averaging twice as much as BR (note I am not making that conclusion)

 

[Uncle Leo]

Yeah, one game but we all knew that this was Bijan’s backfield. I would be very satisfied as a BR owner from what I saw today.

 

[Chaka]

Seems like rumors of his standalone value may have been greatly exaggerated.

I assume he's still viable as a handcuff, though.

That's a pretty big conclusion to jump to given that game and it's week 1

Can just as easily conclude he's the better back averaging twice as much as BR (note I am not making that conclusion)

I very intentionally said "may" and I know appreciate you aren't backing that remark. Because no, you can't conclude that just as easily when the opportunity differential was 23-3. You just can't.

It was a close game start to finish and Allgeier didn't rate enough with the coaching staff to even get a sniff of an opportunity. I assume that will change going forward but people need to seriously reconsider preseason talking points about a full committee.

 

[kface]

Seems like rumors of his standalone value may have been greatly exaggerated.

I assume he's still viable as a handcuff, though.

That's a pretty big conclusion to jump to given that game and it's week 1

Can just as easily conclude he's the better back averaging twice as much as BR (note I am not making that conclusion)

I very intentionally said "may" and I know appreciate you aren't backing that remark. Because no, you can't conclude that just as easily when the opportunity differential was 23-3. You just can't.

It was a close game start to finish and Allgeier didn't rate enough with the coaching staff to even get a sniff of an opportunity. I assume that will change going forward but people need to seriously reconsider preseason talking points about a full committee.

I wouldn't seriously reconsider anything after week 1 personally

 

[Chaka]

Seems like rumors of his standalone value may have been greatly exaggerated.

I assume he's still viable as a handcuff, though.

That's a pretty big conclusion to jump to given that game and it's week 1

Can just as easily conclude he's the better back averaging twice as much as BR (note I am not making that conclusion)

I very intentionally said "may" and I know appreciate you aren't backing that remark. Because no, you can't conclude that just as easily when the opportunity differential was 23-3. You just can't.

It was a close game start to finish and Allgeier didn't rate enough with the coaching staff to even get a sniff of an opportunity. I assume that will change going forward but people need to seriously reconsider preseason talking points about a full committee.

I wouldn't seriously reconsider anything after week 1 personally

Agreed for the most part. Dalton Kincaid, doesn't concern me. Neither does Shakir. Chase Brown? Not so much. Etc.

Allgeier will get more usage, I have to assume that's true. But the disparity is massive and shouldn't be ignored.

I didn't say he doesn't have value, he's still a prime backup/handcuff the question is if he will have standalone value, like a lot of believed only yesterday?