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RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (2 Viewers)

I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news. He's the major playmaker on the team and they'll do what they can to get him the ball.

 
Bacon said:
I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news. He's the major playmaker on the team and they'll do what they can to get him the ball.
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I don't get it when people say this. If he's the major playmaker and the other major playmaker is not playing, you'd think the DC would focus on neutralizing CP. Possibly easier said than done but I prefer CP with AP in the game. Better overall offense, more first downs, longer drives, audible possibilities (7 vs 8 in the box).

 
Bacon said:
I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news.
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I disagree. he's the focal point of the defence now and like the last poster said, the o is significantly weaker now, most likely leading to shorter possessions, fewer offensive plays in plus territory, etc...

 
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Sandeman said:
Bacon said:
I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news. He's the major playmaker on the team and they'll do what they can to get him the ball.
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I don't get it when people say this. If he's the major playmaker and the other major playmaker is not playing, you'd think the DC would focus on neutralizing CP. Possibly easier said than done but I prefer CP with AP in the game. Better overall offense, more first downs, longer drives, audible possibilities (7 vs 8 in the box).
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Agreed. I'd much rather have Peterson keeping the chains moving and helping them get in the redzone.

 
Breaking down Patterson vs. Rams. He created 11 missed or broken tackles on his 6 touches. His only play w/o a broken tackle was a sideline pass where he was pushed out of bounds. On his runs he created at least 1 broken or missed tackle in each and had 8 total on his 3 carries.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
Sandeman said:
Bacon said:
I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news. He's the major playmaker on the team and they'll do what they can to get him the ball.
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I don't get it when people say this. If he's the major playmaker and the other major playmaker is not playing, you'd think the DC would focus on neutralizing CP. Possibly easier said than done but I prefer CP with AP in the game. Better overall offense, more first downs, longer drives, audible possibilities (7 vs 8 in the box).
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Agreed. I'd much rather have Peterson keeping the chains moving and helping them get in the redzone.
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Exactly.

There is less for the DC to deal with here. Less variables to account for. All due respect to M. Asiata.

People in here continue to bake in the highest possible expectations for this guy. And are ignoring information that clearly impacts his potential performance negatively.

 
kyoun1e said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Sandeman said:
Bacon said:
I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news. He's the major playmaker on the team and they'll do what they can to get him the ball.
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I don't get it when people say this. If he's the major playmaker and the other major playmaker is not playing, you'd think the DC would focus on neutralizing CP. Possibly easier said than done but I prefer CP with AP in the game. Better overall offense, more first downs, longer drives, audible possibilities (7 vs 8 in the box).
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Agreed. I'd much rather have Peterson keeping the chains moving and helping them get in the redzone.
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Exactly.

There is less for the DC to deal with here. Less variables to account for. All due respect to M. Asiata.

People in here continue to bake in the highest possible expectations for this guy. And are ignoring information that clearly impacts his potential performance negatively.
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Peterson wasn't on the field for Patterson's long run. So if he was the focus of the D, it didn't really matter very much on that play. Which is why people are still excited about Patterson in light of him seeing more attention. He's capable of breaking big plays regardless.
 
jurb26 said:
kyoun1e said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Sandeman said:
Bacon said:
I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news. He's the major playmaker on the team and they'll do what they can to get him the ball.
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I don't get it when people say this. If he's the major playmaker and the other major playmaker is not playing, you'd think the DC would focus on neutralizing CP. Possibly easier said than done but I prefer CP with AP in the game. Better overall offense, more first downs, longer drives, audible possibilities (7 vs 8 in the box).
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Agreed. I'd much rather have Peterson keeping the chains moving and helping them get in the redzone.
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Exactly.

There is less for the DC to deal with here. Less variables to account for. All due respect to M. Asiata.

People in here continue to bake in the highest possible expectations for this guy. And are ignoring information that clearly impacts his potential performance negatively.
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Peterson wasn't on the field for Patterson's long run. So if he was the focus of the D, it didn't really matter very much on that play. Which is why people are still excited about Patterson in light of him seeing more attention. He's capable of breaking big plays regardless.
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Not being in for a play is very different than not being in the game and knowing in advance he won't be in the game. No doubt CP is a super talent and I hope he goes off but I like his chances better when the defense is keying in on AP.

 
Sandeman said:
jurb26 said:
kyoun1e said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Sandeman said:
Bacon said:
I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news. He's the major playmaker on the team and they'll do what they can to get him the ball.
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I don't get it when people say this. If he's the major playmaker and the other major playmaker is not playing, you'd think the DC would focus on neutralizing CP. Possibly easier said than done but I prefer CP with AP in the game. Better overall offense, more first downs, longer drives, audible possibilities (7 vs 8 in the box).
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Agreed. I'd much rather have Peterson keeping the chains moving and helping them get in the redzone.
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Exactly.

There is less for the DC to deal with here. Less variables to account for. All due respect to M. Asiata.

People in here continue to bake in the highest possible expectations for this guy. And are ignoring information that clearly impacts his potential performance negatively.
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Peterson wasn't on the field for Patterson's long run. So if he was the focus of the D, it didn't really matter very much on that play. Which is why people are still excited about Patterson in light of him seeing more attention. He's capable of breaking big plays regardless.
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Not being in for a play is very different than not being in the game and knowing in advance he won't be in the game. No doubt CP is a super talent and I hope he goes off but I like his chances better when the defense is keying in on AP.
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I don't see how AP being out of the lineup can help Patterson, unless they decide to give Patterson 10 carries.

 
thekidd2009 said:
Sandeman said:
jurb26 said:
kyoun1e said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Sandeman said:
Bacon said:
I see Patterson's stock going up as a result of the AP news. He's the major playmaker on the team and they'll do what they can to get him the ball.
Click to expand...
I don't get it when people say this. If he's the major playmaker and the other major playmaker is not playing, you'd think the DC would focus on neutralizing CP. Possibly easier said than done but I prefer CP with AP in the game. Better overall offense, more first downs, longer drives, audible possibilities (7 vs 8 in the box).
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Agreed. I'd much rather have Peterson keeping the chains moving and helping them get in the redzone.
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Exactly.

There is less for the DC to deal with here. Less variables to account for. All due respect to M. Asiata.

People in here continue to bake in the highest possible expectations for this guy. And are ignoring information that clearly impacts his potential performance negatively.
Click to expand...
Peterson wasn't on the field for Patterson's long run. So if he was the focus of the D, it didn't really matter very much on that play. Which is why people are still excited about Patterson in light of him seeing more attention. He's capable of breaking big plays regardless.
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Not being in for a play is very different than not being in the game and knowing in advance he won't be in the game. No doubt CP is a super talent and I hope he goes off but I like his chances better when the defense is keying in on AP.
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I don't see how AP being out of the lineup can help Patterson, unless they decide to give Patterson 10 carries.
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Exactly.

If they decide to make him a RB where he gets 10-12 carries, well then, that's different.

 
I'd also be more concerned about Patterson minus AP more so this Sunday than the rest of the season.

Pretty difficult for the offense to deal with no AP when the game plan is probably in.

After this week, Norv will adjust accordingly.

 
kyoun1e said:
Exactly.

If they decide to make him a RB where he gets 10-12 carries, well then, that's different.
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Patterson touched the ball only 6 times last week. With AP out do you really think that will be the case again? That's why AP being out can be a help to Patterson. That doesn't mean it's best for Minn. those are 2 totally different things. I'm of the opinion that with touches and opportunity, comes points. Especially so with an athlete as explosive as Patterson. Given 10 or so touches, I like his chances. I'm not sure he will get that but not having AP around seems to help his potential for touches.
 
Speed and agility/lateral quickness/elusiveneness are some of Patterson's most obvious attributes that make him such a great open field runner, but size/strength are also a key to his success.

He did break a lot of tackles on his TD against STL, and there was bad tackling, but it is important to note he easily breaks through arm tackles. Lesser players might be hit flush, knocked off balance or gang tackled. He is fast/elusive enough so in a lot of cases defenders can only swat at him, and has the size/strength to shrug them off. He is basically the same size as Julio (maybe a little thicker since he is an inch shorter), and that is something that makes him so dangerous. The combination of size/strength/speed makes Jones a handful for defenders in the open field, and if he breaks one tackle, he can do a lot of damage. But Patterson is more elusive.

It is hard to think of comps for Patterson because he is in some ways unprecedented (Brian Baldinger was also recently saying he might be the best open field runner he has ever seen). Julio Jones with superior stop-start and make you miss ability is another possible comp. Patterson's suddenness, instant acceleration and burst are elite, but it is the almost Barry Sanders-like stop part of the stop-start equation, and his ability to decelerate and cut on a dime at his size, that kind of puts him in uncharted territory, and imo makes it hard to put a cap on his ceiling and upside. Players his size have no business moving like that, it almost defies physics.

Anatomy of an Ankle Breaker

Check out the last hard cut he made to get in the end zone, where he stopped/changed direction and allowed the defender's momentum to carry him out of position to make a play. Earlier I watched it a few times to see how he did it, but it is hard to see in real time, without freeze framing it several times in slightly different places. In the below highlight, it happens sometime after the :22 second mark, and it is over before it hits :23. There is a lot going on in that split second (involving several jab or stutter steps to suddenly decelerate, and kind of twisting his upper body and redirecting his momentum an instant before he rotated his hips and lower body around, completing the move to cut inside the defender), involving elite body control to execute a complicated series of coordinated moves effortlessly. He does seem to be a natural, like Willie Mays or Michael Jordan, making things that for most mortals would be impossible, look utterly routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMwWB6RVSwY

 
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Bob Magaw said:
Speed and agility/lateral quickness/elusiveneness are some of Patterson's most obvious attributes that make him such a great open field runner, but size/strength are also a key to his success.

He did break a lot of tackles on his TD against STL, and there was bad tackling, but it is important to note he easily breaks through arm tackles. Lesser players might be hit flush, knocked off balance or gang tackled. He is fast/elusive enough so in a lot of cases defenders can only swat at him, and has the size/strength to shrug them off. He is basically the same size as Julio (maybe a little thicker since he is an inch shorter), and that is something that makes him so dangerous. The combination of size/strength/speed makes Jones a handful for defenders in the open field, and if he breaks one tackle, he can do a lot of damage. But Patterson is more elusive.

It is hard to think of comps for Patterson because he is in some ways unprecedented (Brian Baldinger was also recently saying he might be the best open field runner he has ever seen). Julio Jones with superior stop-start and make you miss ability is another possible comp. Patterson's suddenness, instant acceleration and burst are elite, but it is the almost Barry Sanders-like stop part of the stop-start equation, and his ability to decelerate and cut on a dime at his size, that kind of puts him in uncharted territory, and imo makes it hard to put a cap on his ceiling and upside. Players his size have no business moving like that, it almost defies physics.

Anatomy of an Ankle Breaker

Check out the last hard cut he made to get in the end zone, where he stopped/changed direction and allowed the defender's momentum to carry him out of position to make a play. Earlier I watched it a few times to see how he did it, but it is hard to see in real time, without freeze framing it several times in slightly different places. In the below highlight, it happens sometime after the :22 second mark, and it is over before it hits :23. There is a lot going on in that split second (involving several jab or stutter steps to suddenly decelerate, and kind of twisting his upper body and redirecting his momentum an instant before he rotated his hips and lower body around, completing the move to cut inside the defender), involving elite body control to execute a complicated series of coordinated moves effortlessly. He does seem to be a natural, like Willie Mays or Michael Jordan, making things that for most mortals would be impossible, look utterly routine.

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Bob. The real question of the day is how will AP going out effect CP's value? What are your thoughts on this?

 
Do you guys remember Devin Hester in his prime on kickoffs...and his sudden stop start, cut on a dime agility? CP reminds me of those qualities but even more due to his size, strength and break tackling ability.

 
Maven said:
Do you guys remember Devin Hester in his prime on kickoffs...and his sudden stop start, cut on a dime agility? CP reminds me of those qualities but even more due to his size, strength and break tackling ability.
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That is a good comp return skill-wise, Hester is one of the greatest ever. Patterson is 3" taller and 30 lbs. heavier, which helps with the tackle breaking.

 
dkp933, Patterson is on a roll, I'm not sitting him in any league.

I suspect most teams don't have 3-4 WRs better which would make it a tough starting lineup decision.

If he gets contained, and it looks like Peterson might miss more than a game, I'll reevaluate at that time. I don't know if he is matchup proof, but I also don't know he isn't, so I'm going to err on the side of the dude who can take it to the house from anywhere on the field, at any time. He hasn't been a volume player yet, he has made a living out of a few big plays a week (but EVERY week the past six games). I'd hate to have him on the bench if he breaks another few and scores.

 
After watching his highlight reel, I do not think Peterson affects him too much. He is not getting his points from volume, he is getting his points from straight up juking people out of their shorts. Peterson has nothing to do with that. If anything, not having AP could destroy their run game and force them to throw a few more balls his way. It is not as if the man cannot catch a ball, Minnesota is sort of a run first team, so they do not normally throw it a ton. Just think what happens if he starts to get 8 - 10 targets a game.

 
Last year without AP:

  • 2 tds against Det 60 rush yrds
  • 1 td against Phi w/ 5 rec.
  • 141 yds 5 rec 1 td vs Ravens with AP hurt early on
 
Patterson is a must start until he shows on the field otherwise. It's too much talent and opportunity to sit right now.

 
I wish I valued him higher in my drafts. I had him pretty high, but not high enough to draft him in any of my leagues ahead of where other owners did. The kid is a stud play maker, period.

 
I was offered RG3 straight up for him in a redraft 14 tm money league... I had cam newton on the bench and he "felt" it was a fair deal... This league has 1 pt for every 50 yds returning as well and is a .5 ppr so I couldn't hit reject quick enough as Patterson was the 42nd pick (3.14)

 
If Peterson is gone, I could easily see this team moving to a pass first type offense with their lack of an established RB. That could bode very well for Patterson and others in the passing game.

 
We've come to the conclusion that he's a must start no matter what basically unless you have like a top 5 WR you can start instead.

 
They did run a jet sweep to J. Wright, and they used some of Patterson's formations/plays from last week as diversions to set up a few nice gains this week.

I'm guessing they were trying to avoid being predictable. Doesn't look like it worked out all that well for them.

 
Seahawks and Vikings both tried the jet sweep to a different receiver this week to try and throw off the defense. Both lost yardage. Stop getting cute guys.

 
EastonBlues22 said:
They did run a jet sweep to J. Wright, and they used some of Patterson's formations/plays from last week as diversions to set up a few nice gains this week.

I'm guessing they were trying to avoid being predictable. Doesn't look like it worked out all that well for them.
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Yeah, Minn seemed content to use him as a decoy most of the game. It worked well on the first drive. The rest of the game, umm, not at all. They lined him up in the backfield like 5 times. None resulted in touches. That just doesn't make sense.
 
Patterson's value is very diminished with AP's absence, mostly because AP's absence exposes Cassel's weaknesses as a QB. Cassel's not good enough to be relied upon to score, let alone compete to win. Play action? Yeah right. Hope I'm wrong.

 
Sandeman said:
Patterson's value is very diminished with AP's absence, mostly because AP's absence exposes Cassel's weaknesses as a QB. Cassel's not good enough to be relied upon to score, let alone compete to win. Play action? Yeah right. Hope I'm wrong.
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I think Patterson's usage was bad this game. I know they were using him as a decoy, but you can't bluff the whole game. Just like Percy, he should get at least 3-5 rushes per game regardless.

 
kyoun1e said:
People getting a bit too jacked up in here.

NE coming off a bad loss. Rarely lose two in a row. And Bill B. is usually very good at taking away weapons.

Not to mention he knows Cassel.

Think somewhat of a bust is coming this week.

And in general, he could be a little up and down this season with big weeks followed by duds but with performance evening out as the season goes on.

Temper expectations.
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Yup.

Tap the breaks.

 
Gene Sackman said:
kyoun1e said:
People getting a bit too jacked up in here.

NE coming off a bad loss. Rarely lose two in a row. And Bill B. is usually very good at taking away weapons.

Not to mention he knows Cassel.

Think somewhat of a bust is coming this week.

And in general, he could be a little up and down this season with big weeks followed by duds but with performance evening out as the season goes on.

Temper expectations.
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Rarely being the key word. The Pats will lose this week. They will have no answer for our run game, and in turn our passing game will be better than expected. Patterson will have his highlights in the air or the ground or both.

Ill see ya after the game, sucker.
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Yeah I didn't expect to see you back in here.

 
You have to expect these kinds of weeks, which again is why he's not a WR1, even if end of year says he is. He's going to be a must play for me petty much every week even though he wasn't used much in a blowout

 
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