RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (2 Viewers)

[chickensoup]

And I drafted the turd at 4.11 in a 12 team redraft.

A turd? Wow, you must have an awesome team. Maybe the reason you are bitter is because you are one of those types whose fantasy success relies upon striking gold on your first five picks. Most championship squads are comprised of a mix of hits in all rounds in addition to shrewd pick ups on the ww.

I don;t get how you call CP a turd.

I don't understand it either. He's really not doing that bad. He's doing almost exactly how almost everyone predicted him to do. Averaging weeks with some huge weeks mixed in.

I said it before but I'll repeat it. No one should have grabbed him as a WR1. His targets and redzone usage will rarely support that and absolutely won't on a weekly basis. He's a higher floor/more dynamic Chris Johnson or Andre Ellington. Anyone who gets "burned" by that did not see that it's exactly what he is.

 

[Buffaloes]

And I drafted the turd at 4.11 in a 12 team redraft.

I m guessing that drafting Charles or Peterson 2nd overall has more to do with this post than your 4th round pick producing like a 4th round pick.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

He's really not doing that bad. He's doing almost exactly how almost everyone predicted him to do. Averaging weeks with some huge weeks mixed in.

Let's ease off on the "some huge weeks" talk, okay? He's had ONE above-average week, and it was solely due to ONE RUN.

Without that rushing TD, he's a bottom-of-the-barrell fantasy WR.

And even with that rushing TD, he's still barely living up to his ADP.

 

[jurb26]

He's really not doing that bad. He's doing almost exactly how almost everyone predicted him to do. Averaging weeks with some huge weeks mixed in.

Let's ease off on the "some huge weeks" talk, okay? He's had ONE above-average week, and it was solely due to ONE RUN.

Without that rushing TD, he's a bottom-of-the-barrell fantasy WR.

And even with that rushing TD, he's still barely living up to his ADP.

So without his biggest play, he would be a disappointment but with it he's not and worth his ADP.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

He's really not doing that bad. He's doing almost exactly how almost everyone predicted him to do. Averaging weeks with some huge weeks mixed in.

Let's ease off on the "some huge weeks" talk, okay? He's had ONE above-average week, and it was solely due to ONE RUN.

Without that rushing TD, he's a bottom-of-the-barrell fantasy WR.

And even with that rushing TD, he's still barely living up to his ADP.

So without his biggest play, he would be a disappointment but with it he's not and worth his ADP.

Good luck if you think he's going to bail you out with 60-yard rushing TDs every 3rd week.

Without that fluke play he'd be one of the biggest busts of the year.

And even WITH the fluke play, he's still not worth his ADP in most leagues.

 

[jurb26]

He's really not doing that bad. He's doing almost exactly how almost everyone predicted him to do. Averaging weeks with some huge weeks mixed in.

Let's ease off on the "some huge weeks" talk, okay? He's had ONE above-average week, and it was solely due to ONE RUN.

Without that rushing TD, he's a bottom-of-the-barrell fantasy WR.

And even with that rushing TD, he's still barely living up to his ADP.

So without his biggest play, he would be a disappointment but with it he's not and worth his ADP.

Good luck if you think he's going to bail you out with 60-yard rushing TDs every 3rd week.

Without that fluke play he'd be one of the biggest busts of the year.

And even WITH the fluke play, he's still not worth his ADP in most leagues.

Please provide the list of other players who's big plays I should also disregard. Thanks.

 

[chickensoup]

He's really not doing that bad. He's doing almost exactly how almost everyone predicted him to do. Averaging weeks with some huge weeks mixed in.

Let's ease off on the "some huge weeks" talk, okay? He's had ONE above-average week, and it was solely due to ONE RUN.

Without that rushing TD, he's a bottom-of-the-barrell fantasy WR.

And even with that rushing TD, he's still barely living up to his ADP.

But he got that TD, that's why you drafted him....anytime he touches the ball that could happen. Sorry for calling his week 1 huge. It's an above average week.

His performance through 3 weeks puts him as a low end WR2. His ADP was a......low end WR2.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

But he got that TD, that's why you drafted him....anytime he touches the ball that could happen. Sorry for calling his week 1 huge.

Get back to me when you learn the difference between "some huge weeks" and "one huge week".

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Please provide the list of other players who's big plays I should also disregard

I guarantee that Mohamed Sanu doesn't throw another touchdown pass this year.

 

[Milkman]

I'm happy with him still. He came close to busting one today. He's def a work in progress but still plenty of reasons for optimism.

 

[meatwad1]

He's really not doing that bad. He's doing almost exactly how almost everyone predicted him to do. Averaging weeks with some huge weeks mixed in.

Let's ease off on the "some huge weeks" talk, okay? He's had ONE above-average week, and it was solely due to ONE RUN.

Without that rushing TD, he's a bottom-of-the-barrell fantasy WR.

And even with that rushing TD, he's still barely living up to his ADP.

So without his biggest play, he would be a disappointment but with it he's not and worth his ADP.

Good luck if you think he's going to bail you out with 60-yard rushing TDs every 3rd week.

Without that fluke play he'd be one of the biggest busts of the year.

And even WITH the fluke play, he's still not worth his ADP in most leagues.

Please provide the list of other players who's big plays I should also disregard.Thanks.

I already listed all of the douchenoggles that you will need to drop.

 

[meatwad1]

And I drafted the turd at 4.11 in a 12 team redraft.

I m guessing that drafting Charles or Peterson 2nd overall has more to do with this post than your 4th round pick producing like a 4th round pick.

 

[meatwad1]

Great player to have as wr 2 or as a flex....if you have him at wr 1, you screwed up your draft. In every case wr 1, should have been Jordy, Julio, Calvin, Dez, AJ, Antonio, or Jimmy G. Like the previous dude said, sorry you had to pick at 1.1 or 1.2....the best picks are always at the back of the round, and they almost always involve receivers.

 

[chickensoup]

But he got that TD, that's why you drafted him....anytime he touches the ball that could happen. Sorry for calling his week 1 huge.

Get back to me when you learn the difference between "some huge weeks" and "one huge week".

You mean like 2/31/1 with 2/54/1 rushing? That's if you go back to a 4th game (admittedly last year)

What about 5/141/1?

Were in week 3. He's had an above average game week 1 and 2 other games in WR3/Flex range. If you saw anything he did last year you knew it was like this. He should never be your teams top WR. You can make a case for WR2. But he is an outstanding WR3 if you went with WR early.

The guy is not Calvin or AJ Green and never will be. Then again most people got him 4 rounds later. You guys are just being overly harsh given his skillset/usage which is not dissimilar to what most reasonable people projected

 

[Eminence]

Classic overreaction. I have him as my WR 3 in a few places and couldn't be happier.

When he hits those big runs, he wins my weeks for me. With that said, losing Peterson definitely hurts.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Were in week 3. He's had an above average game week 1 and 2 other games in WR3/Flex range.

In what world is 5 points "WR3/Flex range"?

 

[LawFitz]

Were in week 3. He's had an above average game week 1 and 2 other games in WR3/Flex range.

In what world is 5 points "WR3/Flex range"?

In return yardage leagues. He scored 13 today for me.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Were in week 3. He's had an above average game week 1 and 2 other games in WR3/Flex range.

In what world is 5 points "WR3/Flex range"?

In return yardage leagues. He scored 13 today for me.

Fair enough. Patterson is a stud in return yardage leagues and leagues where receivers get bonus points for rushing attempts.

 

[chauncey]

In what world did he have 5 points? He's got me 23,9,9 the first 3 weeks. Not bad for a wr3.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

In what world did he have 5 points? He's got me 23,9,9 the first 3 weeks. Not bad for a wr3.

Most fantasy football leagues.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Hes a stud in return leagues but outside of them hes just a WR3. He had 1 big run in week 1 but hes not doing much in the passing game.

 

[Warpig]

The entire Viking passing game isn't "doing much". Cassel sucks and is now hurt. I'm curious to see if Bridgewater can be a spark for Patterson. Let's see what happens after a full week of starter reps. If Patterson is still being underutilized in the next 2 or 3 weeks, then it's time to move on from him this year. They gotta find ways to incorporate him into every aspect of the game. He's their only play maker.

 

[Concept Coop]

He's not likely to ever be a consistent starting WR1 at an NFL level. He's still very behind in his routes. Teddy isn't going to heavily impact his fantasy production--this year, next, or moving forward.

CP is one of the most dangerous players in space--maybe ever. That's where the points will be coming. If he's only getting 1-2 carries a game, he has little chance to reward any recent fantasy investment in him. He's not going to be a 80+ reception guy, and he's not the redzone threat to get by on TDs, either. He's a taller, much less polished Percy Harvin.

 

[KellysHeroes]

He's not likely to ever be a consistent WR at an NFL level. He's still very behind in his routes. Teddy isn't going to heavily impact his fantasy production--this year, next, or moving forward.

CP is one of the most dangerous players in space--maybe ever. That's where the points will be coming. If he's only getting 1-2 carries a game, he has little chance to reward any recent fantasy investment in him. He's not going to be a 80+ reception guy, and he's not the redzone threat to get on TDs, either. He's a taller, much less polished Percy Harvin.

I'm starting to think hes more Hester than Harvin

 

[Concept Coop]

He's not likely to ever be a consistent WR at an NFL level. He's still very behind in his routes. Teddy isn't going to heavily impact his fantasy production--this year, next, or moving forward.

CP is one of the most dangerous players in space--maybe ever. That's where the points will be coming. If he's only getting 1-2 carries a game, he has little chance to reward any recent fantasy investment in him. He's not going to be a 80+ reception guy, and he's not the redzone threat to get on TDs, either. He's a taller, much less polished Percy Harvin.

I'm starting to think hes more Hester than Harvin

He could be. Harvin has the ability to present better slot targets, which, hypothetically, keeps his targets up. Patterson doesn't have that, and his NFL team will need to go further out of their way to get him the ball because of it.

 

[Warpig]

He's not likely to ever be a consistent WR at an NFL level. He's still very behind in his routes. Teddy isn't going to heavily impact his fantasy production--this year, next, or moving forward.

CP is one of the most dangerous players in space--maybe ever. That's where the points will be coming. If he's only getting 1-2 carries a game, he has little chance to reward any recent fantasy investment in him. He's not going to be a 80+ reception guy, and he's not the redzone threat to get on TDs, either. He's a taller, much less polished Percy Harvin.

I'm starting to think hes more Hester than Harvin

He could be. Harvin has the ability to present better slot targets, which, hypothetically, keeps his targets up. Patterson doesn't have that, and his NFL team will need to go further out of their way to get him the ball because of it.

I think it is more QB play and game calling that is inhibiting him. You don't have to be a good route runner to be a stud WR. Especially if you have a mobile QB. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Terrell Owens a mediocre at best route runner? CP is a TD waiting to happen with possibly more athletic ability than TO and more athletic ability than 80% of the players in the NFL. He's proven he can be productive when given the ball. They gotta get him the ball.

 

[Concept Coop]

I think it is more QB play and game calling that is inhibiting him. You don't have to be a good route runner to be a stud WR. Especially if you have a mobile QB. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Terrell Owens a mediocre at best route runner? CP is a TD waiting to happen with possibly more athletic ability than TO and more athletic ability than 80% of the players in the NFL. He's proven he can be productive when given the ball. They gotta get him the ball.

You have to be an NFL level route runner--TO was, CP is not. TO didn't measure up to Harrison, Moss, Chad Johnson, and Larry Fitz. CP doesn't measure up to the average NFL WR2.

Devin Hester was one of the most explosive players of his time and it didn't matter, as a WR, because he couldn't get open enough for it to. There are only so many times a game you can force feed a guy to get him in space, and still have it be effective.

I just can't think of many consistently good fantasy options as far behind as CP is right now.

 

[jurb26]

He's not likely to ever be a consistent WR at an NFL level. He's still very behind in his routes. Teddy isn't going to heavily impact his fantasy production--this year, next, or moving forward.

CP is one of the most dangerous players in space--maybe ever. That's where the points will be coming. If he's only getting 1-2 carries a game, he has little chance to reward any recent fantasy investment in him. He's not going to be a 80+ reception guy, and he's not the redzone threat to get on TDs, either. He's a taller, much less polished Percy Harvin.

I'm starting to think hes more Hester than Harvin

He could be. Harvin has the ability to present better slot targets, which, hypothetically, keeps his targets up. Patterson doesn't have that, and his NFL team will need to go further out of their way to get him the ball because of it.

That simply because Harvin gets used almost exclusively from the slot whereas Patterson is used outside. There s a reason for that. Right now the difference is the supporting cast is much better in Sea and Harvin is getting better usage and more targets. Despite that, Patterson has more fantasy points.

 

[Concept Coop]

That simply because Harvin gets used almost exclusively from the slot whereas Patterson is used outside. There s a reason for that. Right now the difference is the supporting cast is much better in Sea and Harvin is getting better usage and more targets. Despite that, Patterson has more fantasy points.

Harvin is not getting more targets or carries.

Harvin has been in nearly the exact situation Patterson is in--an awful Minny team minus AP. He had his best stretch during it. I don't think CP is ready or able to do that. He's not at Harvin's level as a slot weapon--very few are.

 

[jurb26]

That simply because Harvin gets used almost exclusively from the slot whereas Patterson is used outside. There s a reason for that. Right now the difference is the supporting cast is much better in Sea and Harvin is getting better usage and more targets. Despite that, Patterson has more fantasy points.

Harvin is not getting more targets or carries.

Harvin has been in nearly the exact situation Patterson is in--an awful Minny team minus AP. He had his best stretch during it. I don't think CP is ready or able to do that. He's not at Harvin's level as a slot weapon--very few are.

The targets are the same but Harvin has 2 more rushes. Patterson isn't being used as a slot weapon, Harvin is. Harvin has a ton of high percentage passes thrown his way. Harvin averaged 7.69 targets and 3.25 carries per game that year you reference in Minn. Patterson is averaging 5.66 targets and 1.33 carries per game. The usage is nothing remotely the same.

 

[Concept Coop]

The targets are the same but Harvin has 2 more rushes. Patterson isn't being used as a slot weapon, Harvin is. Harvin has a ton of high percentage passes thrown his way. Harvin averaged 7.69 targets and 3.25 carries per game that year you reference in Minn. Patterson is averaging 5.66 targets and 1.33 carries per game. The usage is nothing remotely the same.

Patterson will never be used as a slot weapon the way Harvin has been throughout his career--he's a significantly lesser player in that aspect of the game. When you line him up at the X spot, he now has to beat man-to-man coverage--sometimes with help over the top--rather than find the holes in zone coverage. He's not able to do that consistently. In my opinion, he's not likely to anytime soon.

 

[jurb26]

The targets are the same but Harvin has 2 more rushes. Patterson isn't being used as a slot weapon, Harvin is. Harvin has a ton of high percentage passes thrown his way. Harvin averaged 7.69 targets and 3.25 carries per game that year you reference in Minn. Patterson is averaging 5.66 targets and 1.33 carries per game. The usage is nothing remotely the same.

Patterson will never be used as a slot weapon the way Harvin has been throughout his career--he's a significantly lesser player in that aspect of the game. When you line him up at the X spot, he now has to beat man-to-man coverage--sometimes with help over the top--rather than find the holes in zone coverage. He's not able to do that consistently. In my opinion, he's not likely to anytime soon.

What? The slot is probably the easiest place to create a mismatch in the NFL. It's harder to play outside.

 

[Concept Coop]

What? The slot is probably the easiest place to create a mismatch in the NFL. It's harder to play outside.

That's what I said--he's lining up at the X. He might be moved in the slot more often, but not to the extent that Percy is/was/will be.

 

[jurb26]

What? The slot is probably the easiest place to create a mismatch in the NFL. It's harder to play outside.

That's what I said--he's lining up at the X. He might be moved in the slot more often, but not to the extent that Percy is/was/will be.

You're confusing a lesser player in the slot for a better player on the outside IMO. Patterson can do both and should be doing slot work more often. Harvin can't line up outside like Patterson on a regular basis, though.

 

[Concept Coop]

What? The slot is probably the easiest place to create a mismatch in the NFL. It's harder to play outside.

That's what I said--he's lining up at the X. He might be moved in the slot more often, but not to the extent that Percy is/was/will be.

You're confusing a lesser player in the slot for a better player on the outside IMO. Patterson can do both and should be doing slot work more often. Harvin can't line up outside like Patterson on a regular basis, though.

Patterson isn't the slot player that Harvin is, and won't be used in the slot as often because of it. He's very quick, but his short area routes are just as sloppy as the rest of his tree.

Being better than the much smaller Harvin, on the outside, means very little to an NFL X, and won't help his fantasy production.

 

[jurb26]

What? The slot is probably the easiest place to create a mismatch in the NFL. It's harder to play outside.

That's what I said--he's lining up at the X. He might be moved in the slot more often, but not to the extent that Percy is/was/will be.

You're confusing a lesser player in the slot for a better player on the outside IMO. Patterson can do both and should be doing slot work more often. Harvin can't line up outside like Patterson on a regular basis, though.

Patterson isn't the slot player that Harvin is, and won't be used in the slot as often because of it. He's very quick, but his short area routes are just as sloppy as the rest of his tree.

Being better than the much smaller Harvin, on the outside, means very little to an NFL X, and won't help his fantasy production.

I guess you missed the part of how Patterson is out producing Harvin in fantasy this year.

 

[chauncey]

In what world did he have 5 points? He's got me 23,9,9 the first 3 weeks. Not bad for a wr3.

Most fantasy football leagues.

Oops, my bad. I guess that was silly of me to assume everyone here played with the same scoring system I do and make dumb comments based on that.

 

[Gvindy]

In what world did he have 5 points? He's got me 23,9,9 the first 3 weeks. Not bad for a wr3.

Most fantasy football leagues.

Oops, my bad. I guess that was silly of me to assume everyone here played with the same scoring system I do and make dumb comments based on that.

Standard yahoo scoring he's boom/bust. Return leagues, he's been good. I think Bridgewater with a week to gameplan will help, but CP is not a Wes Welker level route runner and may never be. MIN lack of weapons doesn't help. The safety is able to roam free without AP and Jennings isn't scaring anyone. Rudolph's out now too...

 

[Concept Coop]

I guess you missed the part of how Patterson is out producing Harvin in fantasy this year.

If that's the new goalpost--congrats, Patterson owners.

 

[gianmarco]

What? The slot is probably the easiest place to create a mismatch in the NFL. It's harder to play outside.

That's what I said--he's lining up at the X. He might be moved in the slot more often, but not to the extent that Percy is/was/will be.

You're confusing a lesser player in the slot for a better player on the outside IMO. Patterson can do both and should be doing slot work more often. Harvin can't line up outside like Patterson on a regular basis, though.

Patterson isn't the slot player that Harvin is, and won't be used in the slot as often because of it. He's very quick, but his short area routes are just as sloppy as the rest of his tree.

Being better than the much smaller Harvin, on the outside, means very little to an NFL X, and won't help his fantasy production.

On what are you basing these pretty detailed critiques of his route running?

 

[Concept Coop]

What are you basing these pretty detailed critiques of his route running?

Watching him.

 

[jurb26]

What are you basing these pretty detailed critiques of his route running?

Watching him.

I doubt that.

 

[GROOT]

What are you basing these pretty detailed critiques of his route running?

Watching him.

I doubt that.

I second the sloppy route running.

 

[Concept Coop]

I doubt that.

That's cool, but not the conversation.

Regardless of your faith in my having watched him, Google "Cordarrell Patterson Route Running"--and you'll see that many agree with me.

 

[KellysHeroes]

with no Peterson, rookie QB and now no Rudolph (most likely) who else does teams have to defend? Patterson is talented but he doesn't have the skills to beat triple coverage... this is going to be ugly.

 

[jurb26]

I doubt that.

That's cool, but not the conversation.

Regardless of your faith in my having watched him, Google "Cordarrell Patterson Route Running"--and you'll see that many agree with me.

Why would I want outdated information from google?

 

[Concept Coop]

Why would I want outdated information from google?

Fitler by date. Unless 9/21/2014 is outdated.

 

[gianmarco]

What are you basing these pretty detailed critiques of his route running?

Watching him.

We don't get nearly enough video of wide receivers to give that kind of critique on television. So I just don't buy that.

Here is a great detailed analysis of his route running

http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/reception-perception-cordarrelle-patterson-and-a-developing-story.html

 

[Concept Coop]

What are you basing these pretty detailed critiques of his route running?

Watching him.

We don't get nearly enough video of wide receivers to give that kind of critique on television. So I just don't buy that.

Here is a great detailed analysis of his route running

http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/reception-perception-cordarrelle-patterson-and-a-developing-story.html

I'm not asking you to invest anything in my opinion of him or even buy my explanation for how I came to it. That's personal and not productive. Though I'm not sure what "level of critique" you are reading from me.

The article could certainly be productive, however. Giving it a skim--there is some very solid information. I disgree with the author's conclusion, but appreciate the work. WIthout him doing the same for a solid sample size, and comparing CP to it, it's hard for me to trust where the writer suggests the data is leading. He's compared Patterson to exactly one other player, who scored much better. Doesn't seem like enough to proclaim: "There’s no reason to believe that Patterson can’t become the next dominant wide receiver in the NFL."

 

[PhantomJB]

Norv made sure to increasingly get the ball into Josh Gordon's hands last year when he was the only weapon on a bad team with no running game and horrific QBs.

Over the course of the season he'll do the same with Patterson one way or the other.