RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

[nastynate]

Staying the course here. Most of us knew there would be some ups and downs here. Just looking for more consistency as the season progresses.

 

[Dondante]

Norv made sure to increasingly get the ball into Josh Gordon's hands last year when he was the only weapon on a bad team with no running game and horrific QBs.

Over the course of the season he'll do the same with Patterson one way or the other.

Some of the Gordon success has to go to Gordon. It's possible Gordon is that much better than CP.

 

[steveski]

Norv made sure to increasingly get the ball into Josh Gordon's hands last year when he was the only weapon on a bad team with no running game and horrific QBs.

Over the course of the season he'll do the same with Patterson one way or the other.

Some of the Gordon success has to go to Gordon. It's possible Gordon is that much better than CP.

Or that they are 2 completely different players? Gordon is a lot more of a traditional WR than Patterson is.

 

[bulger2holt]

With Rudolph out 6 weeks, and Teddy the QB, a big Patterson bump

 

[Concept Coop]

With Rudolph out 6 weeks, and Teddy the QB, a big Patterson bump

I can see Rudolph being a bump. He was getting 5.6 targets/game. If we give 3-4 of those to the replacement, that does leave an extra couple targets for the rest of the group. Perhaps an extra target/game for CP, which is certainly not meaningless and could show up in boxscores.

It's hard for me to say whether Teddy is a plus for the corp or not, however. I really like the kid and it can't get much worse. But not sure how much of a difference he'll make as a rookie.

 

[Ghost Rider]

With Rudolph out 6 weeks, and Teddy the QB, a big Patterson bump

Yes and no. The more weapons the Vikings lose, the more the defense will pay attention to Patterson. Honestly, I think this is a bump for Greg Jennings, who has had two very solid weeks out of three in PPR leagues.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Norv made sure to increasingly get the ball into Josh Gordon's hands last year when he was the only weapon on a bad team with no running game and horrific QBs.

Over the course of the season he'll do the same with Patterson one way or the other.

Some of the Gordon success has to go to Gordon. It's possible Gordon is that much better than CP.

Or that they are 2 completely different players? Gordon is a lot more of a traditional WR than Patterson is.

Gordon was getting 20 targets a game!!!, CPat gets less than 6

 

[Ace zero1]

gonna have to decide between him and cruz this week. gonna be tough. really want patterson to play good but might need to see him and bridgewater do something first

 

[PhantomJB]

Norv made sure to increasingly get the ball into Josh Gordon's hands last year when he was the only weapon on a bad team with no running game and horrific QBs.

Over the course of the season he'll do the same with Patterson one way or the other.

Some of the Gordon success has to go to Gordon. It's possible Gordon is that much better than CP.

Or that they are 2 completely different players? Gordon is a lot more of a traditional WR than Patterson is.

Gordon was getting 20 targets a game!!!, CPat gets less than 6

Maybe get your facts straight before posting? Gordon never once got 20 targets last year.

In the first seven games of last year, Gordon averaged 9 tgts/game. In the last seven he averaged over 13 tgts/game (an increase of 40+%).

As stated above, Norv "increasingly" got the ball in Gordon's hands over the course of the season. That is what IMO he will begin to do with Patterson over the course of this season.

 

[nastynate]

We need Patterson getting 1-3 carries and 2-4 WR screen type of plays per game.

I'm not sure he's where he needs to be to get the ball downfield to him a ton, but I certainly see no reason why they don't just throw it out to him and let him work more often. 8 yard cushion = immediate throw to CP, letting him go to work.

I'm not sure why they haven't tried getting him the ball more often, or maybe they have unsuccessfully, but I see him getting more involved as the season moves along.

 

[Concept Coop]

As stated above, Norv "increasingly" got the ball in Gordon's hands over the course of the season. That is what IMO he will begin to do with Patterson over the course of this season.

It was likely more random than by design and I'd guess it has more to do with the changes at QB than anything else. Looking at past Norv teams, I don't spot a trend.

 

[Touchdown There]

900 yards. Minnesota goes 4 and 12, good for last in the division. Bridgewater hanging with Rodgers, Cutler and the Calvin/Stafford combo? Please.

You guys are not thinking this through at all. If Bridgewater is not top ten elite, Minn is at the start of a 2-3 year experiment in a qb centric league.

I agree. I think he is going to struggle learning a whole new playbook. Took him 8 weeks to learn the last one well enough to get in more than a handful of plays. And Norv's offense is supposedly much more complex and involves vertical routes. Patterson caught 85% of his passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. I think 900 yards is absolute best case scenario...

I stand by my original projections. CP will not come close to his 4th round ADP. Immense young talent on a very very bad team.

 

[PhantomJB]

900 yards. Minnesota goes 4 and 12, good for last in the division. Bridgewater hanging with Rodgers, Cutler and the Calvin/Stafford combo? Please.

You guys are not thinking this through at all. If Bridgewater is not top ten elite, Minn is at the start of a 2-3 year experiment in a qb centric league.

I agree. I think he is going to struggle learning a whole new playbook. Took him 8 weeks to learn the last one well enough to get in more than a handful of plays. And Norv's offense is supposedly much more complex and involves vertical routes. Patterson caught 85% of his passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. I think 900 yards is absolute best case scenario...

I stand by my original projections. CP will not come close to his 4th round ADP. Immense young talent on a very very bad team.

Wow. Did you also project that the Vikings would lose Peterson after the first game?

 

[Insein]

And I drafted the turd at 4.11 in a 12 team redraft.

You are just a ball of sunshine.

 

[Milkman]

As raw as Patterson was coming into the league I have a hard time dismissing his ability to improve as a WR over the next 1-2 years. He's still learning how to play WR isn't he?

 

[Concept Coop]

As raw as Patterson was coming into the league I have a hard time dismissing his ability to improve as a WR over the next 1-2 years. He's still learning how to play WR isn't he?

I'd agree. He's so very talented with the ball in his hands that he doesn't need to be Victor Cruz as a route runner to be a serious weapon and put up big fantasy numbers. Way too early to give up on him in dynasty formats. I'm likely less bullish on his chances than the market, but I'm not writing him off at all.

 

[Buffaloes]

In what world did he have 5 points? He's got me 23,9,9 the first 3 weeks. Not bad for a wr3.

Most fantasy football leagues.

Patterson's had more than 5 pts in every week in all the leagues I play in

CP is doing pretty much what ppl expected him to do so far, yeah?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Over rated scrub on a weak team with no QB.

 

[steveski]

Norv made sure to increasingly get the ball into Josh Gordon's hands last year when he was the only weapon on a bad team with no running game and horrific QBs.

Over the course of the season he'll do the same with Patterson one way or the other.

Some of the Gordon success has to go to Gordon. It's possible Gordon is that much better than CP.

Or that they are 2 completely different players? Gordon is a lot more of a traditional WR than Patterson is.

Gordon was getting 20 targets a game!!!, CPat gets less than 6

Maybe get your facts straight before posting? Gordon never once got 20 targets last year.

In the first seven games of last year, Gordon averaged 9 tgts/game. In the last seven he averaged over 13 tgts/game (an increase of 40+%).

As stated above, Norv "increasingly" got the ball in Gordon's hands over the course of the season. That is what IMO he will begin to do with Patterson over the course of this season.

I don't see any way that he can't just give Patterson the ball a bunch of times. He's losing skill players left and right. Patterson and Grandpa Jennings are the only people on that team that deserve the ball in their hands.

 

[jackdubl]

900 yards. Minnesota goes 4 and 12, good for last in the division. Bridgewater hanging with Rodgers, Cutler and the Calvin/Stafford combo? Please.

You guys are not thinking this through at all. If Bridgewater is not top ten elite, Minn is at the start of a 2-3 year experiment in a qb centric league.

I agree. I think he is going to struggle learning a whole new playbook. Took him 8 weeks to learn the last one well enough to get in more than a handful of plays. And Norv's offense is supposedly much more complex and involves vertical routes. Patterson caught 85% of his passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. I think 900 yards is absolute best case scenario...

I stand by my original projections. CP will not come close to his 4th round ADP. Immense young talent on a very very bad team.

Wow. Did you also project that the Vikings would lose Peterson after the first game?

This is more to blame than anything, imo. Patterson is a weapon, but not a WR1. With Adrian Peterson in there, there's all these tricky ways to get Patterson the ball that just don't work the same way without Adrian being the focus of the Defense. Now Patterson is stuck being a more traditional receiver and defenses can take him away more easily when there are no other weapons. IMO, vastly, vastly downgraded outlook until Adrian Peterson returns. From a guy who kept him in a keep-3 league.

 

[Eminence]

Yeah, he's like WR3 with upside. He should return a few kicks for you. Touchbacks are unfortunate.

 

[zamboni]

Still waiting for those 20 plays that Turner supposedly designed just for CP as soon as Norv got the job.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Norv made sure to increasingly get the ball into Josh Gordon's hands last year when he was the only weapon on a bad team with no running game and horrific QBs.

Over the course of the season he'll do the same with Patterson one way or the other.

Some of the Gordon success has to go to Gordon. It's possible Gordon is that much better than CP.

Or that they are 2 completely different players? Gordon is a lot more of a traditional WR than Patterson is.

Gordon was getting 20 targets a game!!!, CPat gets less than 6

Maybe get your facts straight before posting? Gordon never once got 20 targets last year.

In the first seven games of last year, Gordon averaged 9 tgts/game. In the last seven he averaged over 13 tgts/game (an increase of 40+%).

As stated above, Norv "increasingly" got the ball in Gordon's hands over the course of the season. That is what IMO he will begin to do with Patterson over the course of this season.

I was exaggerating, but my point is (as you showed) that Gordon was targeted a lot while Patterson isn't seeing any extra targets than the rest of his team.

 

[Squintz82]

900 yards. Minnesota goes 4 and 12, good for last in the division. Bridgewater hanging with Rodgers, Cutler and the Calvin/Stafford combo? Please.

You guys are not thinking this through at all. If Bridgewater is not top ten elite, Minn is at the start of a 2-3 year experiment in a qb centric league.

I agree. I think he is going to struggle learning a whole new playbook. Took him 8 weeks to learn the last one well enough to get in more than a handful of plays. And Norv's offense is supposedly much more complex and involves vertical routes. Patterson caught 85% of his passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. I think 900 yards is absolute best case scenario...

I stand by my original projections. CP will not come close to his 4th round ADP. Immense young talent on a very very bad team.

Wow. Did you also project that the Vikings would lose Peterson after the first game?

This is more to blame than anything, imo. Patterson is a weapon, but not a WR1. With Adrian Peterson in there, there's all these tricky ways to get Patterson the ball that just don't work the same way without Adrian being the focus of the Defense. Now Patterson is stuck being a more traditional receiver and defenses can take him away more easily when there are no other weapons. IMO, vastly, vastly downgraded outlook until Adrian Peterson returns. From a guy who kept him in a keep-3 league.

So however did that 67 yard touchdown run work week 1 with Peterson on the sidelines? The whole "Patterson is worthless without AP" stuff is ridiculous. See Patterson's stats last season without AP in the lineup.

 

[Milkman]

Is there a reason you don't think they will increase Patterson's targets? I mean I understand if you think he's overrated and not a very good WR but he's seems to be in a situation now where he is clearly the teams best offensive weapon so I don't know why his targets wouldn't increase.

I mean here are Vikes 5 best offensive weapons. If I missed someone please let me know

Jennings

Patterson

McKinnon

Rudolph

Asiata

Please list those 5 guys in order of best to worst if you don't mind.

 

[GROOT]

Is there a reason you don't think they will increase Patterson's targets? I mean I understand if you think he's overrated and not a very good WR but he's seems to be in a situation now where he is clearly the teams best offensive weapon so I don't know why his targets wouldn't increase.

I mean here are Vikes 5 best offensive weapons. If I missed someone please let me know

Jennings

Patterson

McKinnon

Rudolph

Asiata

Please list those 5 guys in order of best to worst if you don't mind.

tie

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Vikings OC Norv Turner admits he's "got to continue to work ways" to get Cordarrelle Patterson the ball.

"Cordarrelle is a different situation he was a year ago," Turner said. "Hes growing and teams are matching with him and theyre concentrating on him." It's easy to say the Vikes have to get C-Patt the ball in Adrian Peterson and Kyle Rudolph's absence, but he has to continue to progress as a receiver who can create his own looks. That being said, Patterson is so dangerous with the ball in his hands that he remains locked in as a WR2. We trust Turner to scheme the ball to his biggest weapon.

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Sep 25 - 2:25 PM

 

[Milkman]

Yeah but it's not helping that when he does get open the qb is missing him or not throwing to him anyway.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I just traded him for Fred Jackson.

 

[steveski]

I just traded him for Fred Jackson.

That's a joke, right?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I just traded him for Fred Jackson.

That's a joke, right?

Negative. I have decent WRs (Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Brandin Cooks, Andrew Hawkins, plus a stashed Josh Gordon) and no backs behind Forte and Bush (DeAngelo Williams is the only back-up I have) and there's literally nothing on the wire at RB. I needed the RB depth more than the upside potential of Patterson. They've both scored 40 pts thus far in PPR, so they're interchangeable through 3 weeks as a flex play.

 

[LawFitz]

In return leagues, I still think he'll be a fantasy WR1 as of the end of the season (barring injury), though it will be volatile.

He was and is a good fantasy WR2/3 is such leagues. That's where I drafted him to be and I'm happy with his production so far and prospects ROS.

Now if you drafted him highly in non-return leagues, I'm sure the ride has been much more painful. Sorry.

 

[Squintz82]

As high as I am on him, I just traded him for Arian Foster. Frustrated Foster owner had no one at WR and was killed by byes with week, and I already had Blue.

 

[17seconds]

Rotoworld:

Vikings OC Norv Turner admits he's "got to continue to work ways" to get Cordarrelle Patterson the ball.

"Cordarrelle is a different situation he was a year ago," Turner said. "Hes growing and teams are matching with him and theyre concentrating on him." It's easy to say the Vikes have to get C-Patt the ball in Adrian Peterson and Kyle Rudolph's absence, but he has to continue to progress as a receiver who can create his own looks. That being said, Patterson is so dangerous with the ball in his hands that he remains locked in as a WR2. We trust Turner to scheme the ball to his biggest weapon.

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Sep 25 - 2:25 PM

So another 13 plays for him then?

 

[ponchsox]

I have a feeling he's in for a huge week.

 

[Futz]

I have a feeling he's in for a huge week.

I completely disagree. All defenses playing them have got to see CPatt as the only threat right now with Rudolph gone and Bridge not having good accuracy on the deep ball. You double Patt and bring 8 into the box and it's game over.

You have to hope for a broken play scramble bomb and I'm not liking those odds. I'm benching him until I see otherwise.

 

[Chaka]

I also think it is possible that Teddy Bridgewater favors the more reliable route runner in Greg Jennings.

 

[nastynate]

I also think it is possible that Teddy Bridgewater favors the more reliable route runner in Greg Jennings.

Way too early to tell.

Likely to be some growing pains here with Teddy as he tries to get his timing down with the WRs. Hoping they lean on some simple stuff to get him going. No reason CordPat shouldn't get involved in some of that.

Hanging in there and starting him weekly. We knew he was gonna be boom bust and he's been ok-boom so far. I'll take it.

 

[Manster]

If I'm the Vikings I'm finding ways to get the ball in the hands of your most dangerous weapon on offense.....Might just take some pressure off Teddy. But what do I know? Its just wishful thinking from a guy who spent a 4th rounder on him.

 

[ericttspikes]

It obviously depends on scoring format, but in the distance scoring league I have him in, Cordarrelle is ahead of AJ Green, Brandon Marshall, Randall Cobb, Demaryius Thomas and Alshon Jeffery, who were all taken ahead of him. I would imagine in PPR he isn't so hot, but I'm not sure who thought he'd be a reception machine? He is what he is, a threat to take it the distance in any game. I fine with him.

 

[Concept Coop]

If I'm the Vikings I'm finding ways to get the ball in the hands of your most dangerous weapon on offense.....Might just take some pressure off Teddy. But what do I know? Its just wishful thinking from a guy who spent a 4th rounder on him.

It's not easy as: Get him the ball. And even less so: Get him the ball in space. If it was easy, Devin Hester and Dante Hall would have been major offensive weapons and Tavon Austin would be putting up monster numbers.

Aside from winning 1 on 1 matchups and blown coverages--you have to catch the defense off guard. Deceptive plays require set up. And the more they're on film, the less productive they are. And, that's the scouting report on CP today--don't let him get the ball in space and let him try to beat with his routes. He needs to change that.

Patterson needs to win more 1 on 1 matchups to be more than he's been to this point.

 

[Manster]

If I'm the Vikings I'm finding ways to get the ball in the hands of your most dangerous weapon on offense.....Might just take some pressure off Teddy. But what do I know? Its just wishful thinking from a guy who spent a 4th rounder on him.

It's not easy as: Get him the ball. And even less so: Get him the ball in space. If it was easy, Devin Hester and Dante Hall would have been major offensive weapons and Tavon Austin would be putting up monster numbers.

Aside from winning 1 on 1 matchups and blown coverages--you have to catch the defense off guard. Deceptive plays require set up. And the more they're on film, the less productive they are. And, that's the scouting report on CP today--don't let him get the ball in space and let him try to beat with his routes. He needs to change that.

Patterson needs to win more 1 on 1 matchups to be more than he's been to this point.

Fair enough......maybe he'll improve in his 1 on 1.....maybe Bridgewater will help him.....whatever it takes, he and the Vikings should find ways to get him the dam ball! Cuz when he has it, he's electric.

 

[Biabreakable]

While I agree with the overall idea that Coop is talking about with Patterson needing to use route running and technique to win his one on one match ups, I just wanted to point out that Patterson was winning his match up with cornerback Keenan Lewis on several occasions throughout the game.

At one point Patterson is jaw jacking Lewis saying "you can't run with me" and he is right. What they were having Patterson do on several of these plays is run a shallow drag route across the field with other lateral routes set up to work off of this. Once Patterson makes his break Lewis is far behind and Patterson beat him easily. But because it is a drag route there are more defenders in the lane that Patterson's route is crossing for the QB to worry about than just Lewis. The timing has to be there for the QB to anticipate when a window will open to get Patterson the ball, and that window would preferably be one where Patterspn does not get drilled immediately after the catch as well.

So just winning the one on one match up is not necessarily going to lead to the QB targeting him.

Patterson needs to win on some deep routes so that the crossing routes and screens can have better success.

I do like what I have seen from Bridgewater and I think he will be an upgrade over Cassel. The team has been in a funk since the Peterson news although they have played very well at times, they have not been able to maintain that consistently throughout the game. Unless you want to call Cassel throwing an interception consistently in game two that.

Patterson also won on the out route which is not that complicated to run. Just do not sell when you are going to break before you do, Patterson certainly gifted enough to win that kind of route consistently as long as the defender isn't a step ahead of him due to poor technique.

 

[meatwad1]

I just traded him for Fred Jackson.

 

[nastynate]

I mean, they can't hand it to him 3-4 times a game and toss him a few WR screens type routes?

I get it, he has to beat coverage at some point, but they could absolutely use that shirt stuff to set him up to win long, or also add in a decoy element to get Jennings and Asiata space.

While part of its absolutely on Cord, you gotta admit, they haven't worked all that hard to make him a key piece of the offense.

 

[meatwad1]

I just traded him for Fred Jackson.

That's a joke, right?

Negative. I have decent WRs (Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, Brandin Cooks, Andrew Hawkins, plus a stashed Josh Gordon) and no backs behind Forte and Bush (DeAngelo Williams is the only back-up I have) and there's literally nothing on the wire at RB. I needed the RB depth more than the upside potential of Patterson. They've both scored 40 pts thus far in PPR, so they're interchangeable through 3 weeks as a flex play.

Wow. You couldn't move Hawkins or Wallace for FJAx? Dude is 33, I am waiting for the worm to turn with him.

 

[meatwad1]

Well...in reading the last couple pages of this thread it is clear that the shark pool has turned on CP. That is good news for me, as I plan on starting him in my flex for the foreseeable future. Look for a 20 plus point game coming as soon as this weekend.

 

[Manster]

Always good discussion in the Shark pool......but the overreaction 3 weeks into the season is funny. Not just with CP, in general

 

[Milkman]

The Vikings just lost a major weapon they were counting on this year. It's going to take a little while for them to figure out what works. CP has still flashed this year. We just have to give him a little time to develop.

 

[ponchsox]

Zero targets? He's a decoy.