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RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (5 Viewers)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am wondering why you would start Patterson over Thielen?Lascelle said:
19-A.Thielen MIN WR 279 snaps 69.9% 30 targets 22 receptions 324 yards 14.7 ypr 1 TD
14-S.Diggs MIN WR 285 snaps 71.4% 39 targets 27 receptions 390 yards 14.4 ypr 1 TD 2 rushing attempts -2 yards
12-C.Johnson MIN WR 179 snaps 44.9% 16 targets 6 receptions 92 yards 15.3 ypr
84-C.Patterson MIN WR 145 snaps 36.3% 21 targets 18 receeptions 158 yards 8.8 ypr 2 TD 4 rushing attempts 15 yards
17-J.Wright MIN WR 45 snaps 11.3% 4 targets 4 receptions 32 yards 8 ypr
11-L.Treadwell MIN WR 12 snaps 3%
Now Patterson has done most of his work in the last 3 games, but overall Thielen plays more.
Thielen per game averages 46.5 snaps 8.3 targets 3.6 receptions 54 yards .17 TD
Patterson per game averages 24 snaps 3.5 targets 3 receptions 26 yards .33 TD
Patterson over the last 3 weeks
41 snp 6 tgt 5 rec 38 yds 1 ra 2 yds
47 snp 6 tgt 4 rec 39 yds 1 ra 7 yds 1 TD
61 snp 7 tgt 7 rec 67 yds 1 TD
The average of these 3 games for Patterson is 49 snaps 6.3 targets 5.3 receptions 48 yards .67 TD
I guess averaging 5.3 receptions instead of 3.6 reception and the higher TD chance but Thielen has been the guy playing more and still averages more yards per game over 6 weeks than Petterson has over this 3 game stretch.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
"The Awakening, Part Deux"
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
He should get some carries with McKinnon out tonight.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Cordarrelle Patterson Would Welcome Move To Running Back
Patterson said this a year ago as well. I am kind of not sure why they don't give him a chance to carry the ball a few more times each game. Sometimes he goes not get any. With some expanded use of the wildcat, it seems like Patterson should have gotten more involved because of that as well.
Patterson said this a year ago as well. I am kind of not sure why they don't give him a chance to carry the ball a few more times each game. Sometimes he goes not get any. With some expanded use of the wildcat, it seems like Patterson should have gotten more involved because of that as well.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I hope he moves to greener pastures. Particularly this year (but even as a rook) Cordarrelle has produced dynamic plays whenever he's been involved. He deserves to be played like a normal WR, and I hope he finds a landing spot that agrees.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Patterson should go to AZ. Arians loves deep threats and gadget plays!
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I do think they should let Patterson run the ball more. He has 12 rushing attempts as a rookie, a season high, he scored 3 TDs on those 3 carries. Hasn't had that many carries since.
Patterson has a very healthy 10.7 yards per carry on 31 career rushing attempts.
I would run the ball with him at least two times per game, which is 3 times as much as the Vikings have been using him in that capacity. This would be running with him as much in a season as he has total over four seasons now.
Peterson has missed a good amount of the last 3 seasons as well, meaning the Vikings didn't have much reason not to try to run the ball with him more than they have.
As far as the deep ball stuff, yes Patterson can do that. I did see him struggle with tracking a couple of those, he is still kind of slow about adjusting to the ball in flight, his hands are fine, even very good at times, he just seems to still be working on timing and tracking the ball in.
As a receiver his numbers look very similar to his rookie season in terms of targets and yards
2013 77 targets 45 receptions 469 yards 4 TD
2016 70 targets 52 receptions 453 yards 2 TD
His catch rate went from 58.4% as a rookie to 74.3% last season. Part of that is just because Bradford is better than Cassell or Ponder, but he deserves some credit for improving his route running and consistency too.
He has gotten better, even the curmudgeon's like Zimmer said he had improved and that is why he earned more playing time as the season went on. I still think there is room for improvement from Patterson, but the progress he made last season is reason to be optimistic about him in future years, with the Vikings or another team.
Patterson has a very healthy 10.7 yards per carry on 31 career rushing attempts.
I would run the ball with him at least two times per game, which is 3 times as much as the Vikings have been using him in that capacity. This would be running with him as much in a season as he has total over four seasons now.
Peterson has missed a good amount of the last 3 seasons as well, meaning the Vikings didn't have much reason not to try to run the ball with him more than they have.
As far as the deep ball stuff, yes Patterson can do that. I did see him struggle with tracking a couple of those, he is still kind of slow about adjusting to the ball in flight, his hands are fine, even very good at times, he just seems to still be working on timing and tracking the ball in.
As a receiver his numbers look very similar to his rookie season in terms of targets and yards
2013 77 targets 45 receptions 469 yards 4 TD
2016 70 targets 52 receptions 453 yards 2 TD
His catch rate went from 58.4% as a rookie to 74.3% last season. Part of that is just because Bradford is better than Cassell or Ponder, but he deserves some credit for improving his route running and consistency too.
He has gotten better, even the curmudgeon's like Zimmer said he had improved and that is why he earned more playing time as the season went on. I still think there is room for improvement from Patterson, but the progress he made last season is reason to be optimistic about him in future years, with the Vikings or another team.
steelers1080
Footballguy
He probably fits into any system that's willing to use him like Tyreek Hill in KC.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
go to the Patriots, go to the Patriots, go to the Patriots 
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Unless he is willing to sign for a discount that will not be happening.go to the Patriots, go to the Patriots, go to the Patriots
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Bears could make great use of Patterson.
steelers1080
Footballguy
His best asset is as an offensive weapon. A kick returner, rusher, and gadget/deep guy. Teams that would know how to best use his talents are in short supply. I could see him doing well in SD, NE, Seattle, and Washington. The last is a bit of a surprise, but they need a WR, and they could use a blanket Offensive Weapon.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Alex Marvez of the Sporting News reports the Bears are interested in free agent Cordarrelle Patterson.
Patterson would certainly help Chicago on special teams, but he is not the No. 1 receiver they should be after with Alshon Jeffery likely to bolt in free agency. Patterson had one of his best seasons as a receiver last year, but he averaged just 8.7 yards per catch and owns a 10-yard average for his career. It is unlikely he develops into anything more than an outstanding special teamer and gadget player.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
How much will it take for the Vikings to keep Cordarrelle Patterson?
Sounds like more than $4 million per season. Question is how much more?
Sounds like more than $4 million per season. Question is how much more?
squistion
Footballguy
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8327/cordarrelle-patterson
Raiders signed WR/KR Cordarrelle Patterson, formerly of the Vikings.
Well, that did not take long. Patterson looked to be headed out of his visit without a contract on Monday night, but he returned to the facility and the two sides quickly hammered out a deal. Likely to serve as the fourth receiver behind Amari Cooper, Michael Crabtree, and Seth Roberts, the landing spot is not great for Patterson's fantasy value, but he should be able to impact games for Oakland both as a gadget player and return man. Perhaps Patterson will push Roberts for targets in camp, but he can be ignored in fantasy drafts at this point.
Mar 13 - 11:11 PM
Source: Matt Vensel on Twitter
Raiders signed WR/KR Cordarrelle Patterson, formerly of the Vikings.
Well, that did not take long. Patterson looked to be headed out of his visit without a contract on Monday night, but he returned to the facility and the two sides quickly hammered out a deal. Likely to serve as the fourth receiver behind Amari Cooper, Michael Crabtree, and Seth Roberts, the landing spot is not great for Patterson's fantasy value, but he should be able to impact games for Oakland both as a gadget player and return man. Perhaps Patterson will push Roberts for targets in camp, but he can be ignored in fantasy drafts at this point.
Mar 13 - 11:11 PM
Source: Matt Vensel on Twitter
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Musgrave isn't the OC anymore but he was the OC for the team Patterson was drafted for. I can see him fitting into their offense. As long as Carr is healthy this should be the best QB he has played with as well.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Any value for CP would be in return yardage leagues only.
He already had some marginal value in deeper PPR (non return yardage) leagues last season - he's still a #3 option at best, but he goes to a better QB and a better team/offense that you would think will be at least somewhat committed to using him, since I'm sure he would have wanted some assurances along those lines as a FA looking for a better opportunity. It wouldn't take much for him to be relevant this season IMO and he's physically a different kind of WR to Cooper and Crabtree, which I think helps him.
In short, I think he's gone from being irrelevant and misused in the Vikings offense to somewhat interesting and worth a late flier.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
The raiders receiving corp was more thin than most people think. By signing Patterson they can now focus on CB/RB/LB/TE in the draft and won't have to take a flyer on WR unless a crazy value falls to them. Worst case scenario they just put a potentially high scoring offense on a shorter field. The raiders receivers consist of all-world Cooper and 3 short range targets in Crabtree/Roberts/Walford. Patterson fits as a field stretching role they needed to fill and they filled it without burning a draft pick. I think both Roberts and Walford were disappointmets last season. Great signing by the raiders. Very good landing spot for Patterson, where else would have been better? Maybe BAL or BUF but not a lot better.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Patterson is oddly not much of a field stretcher. I am not sure what Oakland has planned for him outside of a returner. He obviously still has physical upside and hopefully continues to develop. OAK probably kept thinking about what an impact Tyreek Hill made and wanted their own dangerous weapon in the return game.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
One would think with CP's raw skills that he could turn into a really good slot receiver with one of the best QBs and two really good receivers taking the focus of the defense.
Don't see the money but a two year deal, voidable after one doesn't reflect a lot of faith in him.
For ff, there wasn't a better place other than maybe green Bay.
Don't see the money but a two year deal, voidable after one doesn't reflect a lot of faith in him.
For ff, there wasn't a better place other than maybe green Bay.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I know he wasn't used as a field stretcher in MIN, but I feel that is kind of a strange offense to make a fair assessment. Carr is by far the best QB he's ever played with and I think Patterson has all the physical tools to stretch the field. We shall see.
Roberts, while underrated, can be beaten out. However, it would have to be a better, more diverse player than CP. He should be on people radar in return yardage leagues already, but coming to Oakland, he'll be the WR4/gadget player at best.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
CP is a good kid. Funny kid.
He simply does not have the demeanor for professional football. He's like the kid in little league that gets distracted by the butterflies and dandelions in the outfield.
He simply does not have the demeanor for professional football. He's like the kid in little league that gets distracted by the butterflies and dandelions in the outfield.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
He plays football like it is just a game and not a job....While somewhat refreshing, it doesn't help his growth....
If he can learn the playbook. Dude has no idea where he's supposed to be on the field. He could never hack it in an offense like NE's.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Not to mention another year older...Some mature later than others...Work ethic generally improves with maturity.
Why you writing off Seth Roberts so quickly? His career has been drastically better than CP's career. Patterson has never had a worthwhile season despite the opportunity given to a 1st round draft pick. He's also averaging a measly 10.0 YPR for his career. I'd expect a higher catch rate given his low YPR. The guy's career is basically begging people to write him off. Cooper and Crabtree are locked in at WR1 & WR2. Even the most diehard CP dynasty owner can't be that excited about the upside of being WR3 on Oakland. If I was crazy enough to roster him in a non-return yardage league, I'd have been hoping for somewhere with a weak WR2 like Carolina. Instead he signed somewhere with a great WR1/WR2 duo and a decent WR3. Just let the dream go, man.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Why? Because I've been watching Seth his entire time in Oakland. CP is by far the more talented player IMO. Now that might not mean much if he can't learn the playbook, but you have your opinion and I have mine. We'll see how it plays.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I'm guessing it's because Seth Roberts yards/target dropped from 8.7 in '15 to 5.2 in '16. Patterson had a yards to target of 6.5 yards last season(and has over 6 for his career) and that was playing with Bradford and the Vikings OL. I don't think it takes much imagination to envision Carr and the raiders OL as being a better situation than the one Patterson is leaving. Roberts may have scored more than Patterson.... on an offense that scores more. The Vikings were 23rd in the league in scoring, and the raiders were 7th. The TD's fluctuate anyway and are difficult to count on for either of these guys but that's a big difference. I'll take the 52/453 Patterson had last year in a terrible offense and gamble his scoring increases compared to the 38/397 Roberts got in a much better offense and Roberts had more targets.
He's had 4 years to do something. 4 years. And nothing. Blame the OL if you want, blame the QBs, but Diggs got it done. Keep making excuses for CP so you can justify burning a roster spot on him... and maybe, just maybe he'll return the favor by winning the WR3 job in Oakland - a highly coveted position in fantasy circles.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
It's a deal.
And you keep cashing all those checks your 38 catch, 397 yard receivers are getting you.
You talking about Seth Roberts? I don't own any Seth Roberts shares. I'm just not convinced CP is actually better than him.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
Give CP Roberts' opportunities in the Oak offense from the last two seasons, plus the kick returns and you have low-end fantasy WR1 upside in return leagues. Now granted this is the extreme upside scenario, but the main thing keeping CP from getting the chance at that upside is Seth Roberts, a replacement level NFL WR3.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
QB, OL, inexperience - even still he was a high-end fantasy WR2 in return yardage leagues his rookie year.Andy Dufresne said:
Look, I'm not saying he's a sure thing in Oakland. But I think it's laughable how many here are writing off the possibility entirely of him becoming fantasy viable there (in return yardage leagues), given the situational upgrade and his own career progression. He was the best KR in football last season, statistically. All he needs is to beat Seth Roberts for WR3 duties in Oakland to make him a viable fantasy starter.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I would say their OL, but I have a tough time believing that group could collectively stand in the way of even a single WR.Andy Dufresne said:
