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RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (2 Viewers)
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Hawkfire
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As a Saints fan and owner of Patterson in two leagues, I would love to see him go to the Saints but after spending a 1st rd pick, I can't see them giving him away for the Saints are willing to pay. Now the Falcons could sure roll the dice on him. Harry Douglas was mediocre at best and Roddy White is what 47?come on Patriots, Saints, Redskins, Panthers, Eagles, Colts, Broncos, Cowboys, Bucs, Falcons, ANYONE, trade for Patterson now!
Xue
Footballguy
EastonBlues22
Footballguy
I still think his most natural fit is at the Z and in the slot, preferably with a team that uses a lot of pre-snap movement.
No idea why the Vikings tried to make him the X last year. If that's still what they have in mind for him, then it's going to be a rough year for him.
No idea why the Vikings tried to make him the X last year. If that's still what they have in mind for him, then it's going to be a rough year for him.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree that playing Patterson at the X seemed like a bad fit.
With Jennings gone it does open up more opportunity for WR to play the Z and that could include Patterson.
Mike Wallace perhaps better suited to play the X which is where the Vikings have been trying to find someone for quite some time now.
Here is an interesting tidbit I found.
With Jennings gone it does open up more opportunity for WR to play the Z and that could include Patterson.
Mike Wallace perhaps better suited to play the X which is where the Vikings have been trying to find someone for quite some time now.
Here is an interesting tidbit I found.
I have not heard what the Vikings intentions are yet. It does seem that Miami used Wallace mostly as a Z WR and primarily from the right side of the formation. Whereas the X WR is traditionally more often lined up on the left side.
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EastonBlues22
Footballguy
Thanks for that info.
I'm really interested in how this is going to shake out. I'd strongly consider investing in Patterson if they intend to use him at Z or in the slot, as his price is pretty low right now and any sort of rebound (coupled with another solid year from Bridgewater) would likely inflate his value a decent amount.
If they're still stuck on him as an X, then I'm going to avoid until he's either on a new team or there is a new OC in town (though it might be too late for him by the time Turner is replaced).
I'm really interested in how this is going to shake out. I'd strongly consider investing in Patterson if they intend to use him at Z or in the slot, as his price is pretty low right now and any sort of rebound (coupled with another solid year from Bridgewater) would likely inflate his value a decent amount.
If they're still stuck on him as an X, then I'm going to avoid until he's either on a new team or there is a new OC in town (though it might be too late for him by the time Turner is replaced).
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
I said 2 years ago they should move him to rb. They guy has no ball skills and he's great with the ball in his hands.
Maybe now that might be an option, but not two years ago. You don't bench the best RB in football and a probable HOFer.
Also he needs space. The Chiefs tried many times to use Dante Hall as a RB. The best (few) times for him was a screen pass but he shook two-three guys right away to pull off his theatrics. The Rams have the same problem with Tavon.
These guys run routes like you or I probably would. If they had 10 percent of Welker, Chrebet, or Largent's ability to find a soft spot in the D, they'd light up the NFL.
If Brown can impart any of his veteran savvy, I think that's exactly what he needs. Might as well call up Rice and any other vets to pick their brains too.
cstu
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Agree too early... weak argument however. If he made the PB as a WR I would join you.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Cris Carter was considered a bust after his first two seasons too, and also after his first three and first four seasons
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
But it would be an interesting argument if he made a few more PB as a returner...would that still make him a bust if his only impact is as a returner??
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
werdnoynek
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
For the Vikes, no. Plenty of value in having a Pro Bowl returner on a cheap contract.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
I think it was clear he would need some polishing... this much though?
Hopefully a light comes on this season. I'm still holding out hope, but not holding my breath.
Hopefully a light comes on this season. I'm still holding out hope, but not holding my breath.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i picked him up ths offseason in a dynasty league. here's the problem with the latest news for me: the problem isn't with his fitness and conditioning but rather it's his route-running. charles johnson is a physical specimen too. it's not a case where he's likely going out-perform johnson on that front.
i'm not sure what to expect from him, especially since i have johnson as well, but i'd like to think Bridgewater's development bodes will for the passing game.
i'm not sure what to expect from him, especially since i have johnson as well, but i'd like to think Bridgewater's development bodes will for the passing game.
Faust
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BigJim®
Footballguy
Definitely positive news in that the work being put in shows more ambition and drive to improve. Seems like the rap the prior two years was this is a guy who does not put in the work, and coasts on his physical capabilities rather than hone his craft as a WR. Yes he's fast and can jump small buildings, but he can't seem to get off the line against 5'9" CBs, or he can't seem to sell routes, isn't where he's supposed to be on routes, etc. That said, I was far more encouraged that he was spending time with Troy Brown working on intangibles of his position than hearing about him killing it running uphill in sand. I don't think his athleticism is in question.
jason12vb
Footballguy
This.
Another Vikings fan here who doesn't feel any better about him working out with a trainer...the only glimmer that gives me is perhaps it will instill some "I worked harder than you this offseason, so you're not going to stop me from running my route" thinking. Much more excited about the prospects of him working with vets to learn the intricacies of the position and what it means to be a top flight WR. IMO he needs to start thinking more about catching every ball that comes his way and less about taking the balls he does catch to the endzone. The effort level is severely lacking on balls that aren't right on target.
All_Day27
Footballguy
A smarter NFL team should try to acquire him and use him more in the "swiss army knife" type of role. Line him up in multiple positions, and get him the ball with some space with carries, bubble screens, return game, etc. The guy is too dangerous and explosive with the ball in his hands to go to waste in this league.
Mr. Irrelevant
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Serious non-snarky question: The Vikings themselves tried that with Percy Harvin, who if anything would be an even better fit for such a role ... and the results were underwhelming.
What makes you think that's going to be the magic bullet for Patterson?
saintfool
Dead sexy
In 2011, in his last full season with the Vikings, Harvin caught 87 balls, totalled 1300 combined yards and 8 TDs. i would hardly characterize that kind of performance as "underwhelming". he showed statistical improvement year to year (well, until his last year).
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
They actually started the year that way last year and he put up 102 yards rushing in the first game but he was very underwhelming after that. His kick return average dropped from 32.4 his rookie year to 24.5 last year...something obviously was different about him. Hopefully he has figured it out, but I don't think the Vikings were to blame for his performance.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Harvin can actually run the whole route tree -- huge, huge difference.
Bubble screens and reverses only really work when the defense isn't really looking for them. When that's all a guy can do, it's kind of hard to catch defenders off guard when he's in there.
I do agree that Patterson should be used in the return game as much as possible while he's learning how to be a WR.
Bubble screens and reverses only really work when the defense isn't really looking for them. When that's all a guy can do, it's kind of hard to catch defenders off guard when he's in there.
I do agree that Patterson should be used in the return game as much as possible while he's learning how to be a WR.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
If Harvin was an adept and versatile route runner the Seahawks would have kept him.
I agree that Harvin is better in this area than Patterson has shown to be but Harvin is no Marvin Harrison is the crispness and timing of his routes.
After Patterson's explosive rookie season as a kick returner, teams began kicking it away from him. At times teams were willing to kick it out of bounds rather than risk their coverage breaking down. There are some things the Vikings could try to adjust to how teams are kicking it away from Patterson perhaps, but if the team is willing to kick short to keep it out of his hands that is still a win from the Vikings perspective. That said Patterson was not nearly as effective on the return opportunities he did get last season compared to his rookie year.
If the Vikings use Patterson as the flanker or in the slot I think he can be more effective than having him play the X. I do think the coaches found out pretty quickly that Patterson is not suited for a stretch the field role in the offense. Greg Jennings played primarily in the slot and some at flanker. So it is a more clear path for Patterson to contribute there as his main competition will be Jarius Wright unless the Vikings decide to play Mike Wallace a lot as the flanker.
jurb26
Footballguy
Minn tried to do too much, too soon with Patterson IMO. They had him learning several roles in the offense last year when they should have had him learning one role and focusing on the basics of his position. I hope they learned from that mistake.
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Is anyone familiar with the bolded? I had assumed Wallace was going to be the X. Not sure Wallace is worth much as the Z in that offense.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Think it's all just guesswork until camps open and we can see what's up. It seems silly for the Vikes to pay Wallace $9.85 million this year to keep Johnson in Wallace's natural position IMO.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Norv is pretty inflexible like thatCoeur de Lion said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have mentioned rotoworlds take on the question of if Mike Wallace or Chris Johnson will be the X WR in the Vikings offense before.
There has been nothing in any source of news that rotoworld cites that is providing this information to them.
Here is the actual press conference that the Pioneer press took their quotes from:
Zimmer Forsees No Issues When Peterson Returns
In this press conference most of what Zimmer talks about has to do with team building and getting the players to think about all positions in football, not just their assignment.
One of the reporters asks "what was your motivation today, doing this?" I presume he is refrencing the press conferance.
Zimmer shrugs and says "I just thought it would be good for you guys (the press). I didn't.. (shrugs again) um, It's a good healthy relationship and I would like to keep it that way. I'm not trying to tell secrets or anything like that, but I think there are some key things we can communicate amoungst each other that allow us to both do our jobs better.
He says he brought the players in to teach them all more about the game from an overall perspective, asking defensive players about offensive concepts and vice versa. Trying to build a greater understanding of team concepts.
He does get asked one pretty tough question.
He is asked how long to you hang on to a player that keeps making mistakes? A player who has talent, has great skills, but they make mistakes. Do you get to a point where you say he is hurting the team more?
Zimmer says it depends on who is behind him (on the depth chart) There are so many other variables to consider. Some of it is the upside you see in them (the player) or if you can correct him( the mistakes) or if it gets to the point where you don't think you can correct him anymore, then its probably time to move on.
After talking about Peterson, then the question specifically about Patterson is posed.
When asked specifically about Patterson he says:
"Hes done well, hes really done well. Hes running routes good, hes working hard. So we just need him to continue to do those things, to get getting consistent and to keep improving. I've been impressed with the things that hes done."
When asked about Greg Jennings being Pattersons mentor.
Zimmer says he hopes Norv and himself are Pattersons mentors. Then says mentoring can be way over rated.
No where in the Pioneer Press which rotoworld cites or in the press conference itself does Zimmerman say anything about any player playing the X position. That is pure speculation on the authors part that I would love to see any evidence of what they are suggesting actually being the case.
There has been nothing in any source of news that rotoworld cites that is providing this information to them.
Here is the actual press conference that the Pioneer press took their quotes from:
Zimmer Forsees No Issues When Peterson Returns
In this press conference most of what Zimmer talks about has to do with team building and getting the players to think about all positions in football, not just their assignment.
One of the reporters asks "what was your motivation today, doing this?" I presume he is refrencing the press conferance.
Zimmer shrugs and says "I just thought it would be good for you guys (the press). I didn't.. (shrugs again) um, It's a good healthy relationship and I would like to keep it that way. I'm not trying to tell secrets or anything like that, but I think there are some key things we can communicate amoungst each other that allow us to both do our jobs better.
He says he brought the players in to teach them all more about the game from an overall perspective, asking defensive players about offensive concepts and vice versa. Trying to build a greater understanding of team concepts.
He does get asked one pretty tough question.
He is asked how long to you hang on to a player that keeps making mistakes? A player who has talent, has great skills, but they make mistakes. Do you get to a point where you say he is hurting the team more?
Zimmer says it depends on who is behind him (on the depth chart) There are so many other variables to consider. Some of it is the upside you see in them (the player) or if you can correct him( the mistakes) or if it gets to the point where you don't think you can correct him anymore, then its probably time to move on.
After talking about Peterson, then the question specifically about Patterson is posed.
When asked specifically about Patterson he says:
"Hes done well, hes really done well. Hes running routes good, hes working hard. So we just need him to continue to do those things, to get getting consistent and to keep improving. I've been impressed with the things that hes done."
When asked about Greg Jennings being Pattersons mentor.
Zimmer says he hopes Norv and himself are Pattersons mentors. Then says mentoring can be way over rated.
No where in the Pioneer Press which rotoworld cites or in the press conference itself does Zimmerman say anything about any player playing the X position. That is pure speculation on the authors part that I would love to see any evidence of what they are suggesting actually being the case.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Actually Norv Turner adjusted the offense throughout last season. Using less 7 drops and more shotgun formations after Fusco was injured and Kalil was playing so poorly. Phil Loadholt was injured later on in the season and had to play Joe Berger along with other back ups for much of the 2014 season.
They developed more running plays out of the shotgun formation and used inside pitches to Matt Asiata so that he could get more momentum built up for inside running.
The Vikings offense kept developing to make best use of the personnel over the course of the season. The team definitely is built long term around Adrian Peterson, yet the offense adjusted to not having him and also to playing a rookie QB. There were times that Bridgewater was running no huddle and audibles as well. These all seem like innovative aproaches. Especially after watching a Musgrave coached offense.
