Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So the Icarus mars mission wasn't the ship from the original? Im asking about other tips of the cap and possible relations to the other films. Was 1228 a significant number?
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hooter311
Footballguy
Now I'm going to have to put this in again over the weekend. I gotta picture Reno as Mr. Bean to see if it works. News to me that Oldman's character was poorly written. It's been long while since I've seen it but I thought Portman and Reno were outstanding the action scenes, especially the last one were incredible.Ended up seeing this today. And I gotta say, I'm really surprised at the acclaim that this film has received, as I thought it was an absolute trainwreck from start to finish. Just 2+ hours of over the top, over acted stupidity. Besson is to subtlety as pizza is to vegetable. I've come to the conclusion that Besson is just a terrible director, and an even worse screenwriter. Watching a Besson film is like watching Idiocracy except in different settings. Literally every single minor character in the film is a complete imbecile. Every. Single. One. And it's pretty hard to believe Leon as this ultra skilled hitman the way he acts like Mr. Bean all the time. The only redeemable thing in the whole film was Natalie Portman's performance, which I actually thought was one of her best performances I've ever seen. I also thought Oldman did fairly well considering how poorly written his character was. After seeing this and The 5th Element I can't imagine ever giving another Besson film a try. After reading through this thread though, pretty well everyone loved it except for El Floppo who was called "uppity" for his criticism. I guess El Floppo now has some companyThanks
saintfool
Dead sexy
besson had his moments as a director and storyteller. he's just never shown an interest or ability to deal with mature material. "the professional" is kind of fun but it's not a classic by any means. it has some nice performances - reno and portman do well together, for example - and looks nice. i'll say this about besson: he knows how to shoot action films. too many directos these days can't. oldman's stansfield is one of my very favorite characters.
Jutz
Footballguy
I also really liked Moneyball. I wanted a dip so bad after watching that film.I have it as my 2nd best movie of 2011 next to We Bought A Zoo. I keep checking into this thread to see if anyone else saw WBAZ. I'm suspecting it will get the 'The Blindside' treatment in the ffa (maybe). It is definitely a 'feel good' movie. I think some will say it was too 'feel goody' and not like it... while others will like it... but idk.It was directed by Cameron Crow so I didn't think it had too much of a Disneyish feel.
ETA: I thought Scarlet Johanssen looked amazing in her 'plain jane' garb.
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Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Very little. There were a couple references to the original in the movie but that was about it... and I can't remember what those are now but I caught them while watching.
hooter311
Footballguy
I did not realize that WBAZ was a CC film. I'm a big fan and can't wait to see it now.
It was directed by Cameron Crowe so I didn't think it had too much of a Disneyish feel.
ETA: I thought Scarlet Johanssen looked amazing in her 'plain jane' garb.
snogger
Footballguy
There were some subtly references to setup the original "Planet of the Apes"The Trip to Mars, then a quick flash later of "Ship lost in Space".The question left is.. Does man kind try to fire off the Nukes to destroy the virus, or was there never a Nuclear war as hinted in the very original movie, but just the destruction of the land through natural causes over time?Really liked using the Virus to explain the killing off of man and the increased intelligence of the Apes..
I don't know anything about the number reference though.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Mr. Bean: AssassinI suppose Reno was satisfactory, but I'd of preferred if they got the genuine article Rowan Atkinson for the role.I'm not much of a Besson fan. But this movie works. Portman's awesome. Reno's awesome. Oldman's awesome.All I can say is I can't imagine why. Although apparently most everyone else can. I'm straight shuked about this to be honest.I love The Professional. It's one of my all time sentimental favoritesEnded up seeing this today. And I gotta say, I'm really surprised at the acclaim that this film has received, as I thought it was an absolute trainwreck from start to finish. Just 2+ hours of over the top, over acted stupidity. Besson is to subtlety as pizza is to vegetable. I've come to the conclusion that Besson is just a terrible director, and an even worse screenwriter. Watching a Besson film is like watching Idiocracy except in different settings. Literally every single minor character in the film is a complete imbecile. Every. Single. One. And it's pretty hard to believe Leon as this ultra skilled hitman the way he acts like Mr. Bean all the time. The only redeemable thing in the whole film was Natalie Portman's performance, which I actually thought was one of her best performances I've ever seen. I also thought Oldman did fairly well considering how poorly written his character was. After seeing this and The 5th Element I can't imagine ever giving another Besson film a try. After reading through this thread though, pretty well everyone loved it except for El Floppo who was called "uppity" for his criticism. I guess El Floppo now has some companyThanks
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Allow me to temper your enthusiasm: the Lithgow character is annoying and the movie is a bit melodramatic. But what can I say? I scarcely had more fun with any other movie in 2011.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Now you're over my head. I'd check the WIkipedia or IMDB page to be sure.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The Professional is absolutely a classic within the action genre.
hooter311
Footballguy
Still holding at #32 in the top 250 on imdb. 10 years ago I believe it was in the top 10.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
1) There are numerous vegetables that are good on pizza2) Idiocracy is awesome, just ask President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert CamachoEnded up seeing this today. And I gotta say, I'm really surprised at the acclaim that this film has received, as I thought it was an absolute trainwreck from start to finish. Just 2+ hours of over the top, over acted stupidity. Besson is to subtlety as pizza is to vegetable. I've come to the conclusion that Besson is just a terrible director, and an even worse screenwriter. Watching a Besson film is like watching Idiocracy except in different settings. Literally every single minor character in the film is a complete imbecile. Every. Single. One. And it's pretty hard to believe Leon as this ultra skilled hitman the way he acts like Mr. Bean all the time. The only redeemable thing in the whole film was Natalie Portman's performance, which I actually thought was one of her best performances I've ever seen. I also thought Oldman did fairly well considering how poorly written his character was. After seeing this and The 5th Element I can't imagine ever giving another Besson film a try.Thanks
After reading through this thread though, pretty well everyone loved it except for El Floppo who was called "uppity" for his criticism. I guess El Floppo now has some company
3) The 5th Element is also awesome
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Now I'm going to have to put this in again over the weekend. I gotta picture Reno as Mr. Bean to see if it works. News to me that Oldman's character was poorly written. It's been long while since I've seen it but I thought Portman and Reno were outstanding the action scenes, especially the last one were incredible.Ended up seeing this today. And I gotta say, I'm really surprised at the acclaim that this film has received, as I thought it was an absolute trainwreck from start to finish. Just 2+ hours of over the top, over acted stupidity. Besson is to subtlety as pizza is to vegetable. I've come to the conclusion that Besson is just a terrible director, and an even worse screenwriter. Watching a Besson film is like watching Idiocracy except in different settings. Literally every single minor character in the film is a complete imbecile. Every. Single. One. And it's pretty hard to believe Leon as this ultra skilled hitman the way he acts like Mr. Bean all the time. The only redeemable thing in the whole film was Natalie Portman's performance, which I actually thought was one of her best performances I've ever seen. I also thought Oldman did fairly well considering how poorly written his character was. After seeing this and The 5th Element I can't imagine ever giving another Besson film a try. After reading through this thread though, pretty well everyone loved it except for El Floppo who was called "uppity" for his criticism. I guess El Floppo now has some companyThanks
I'd feel bad if my uppitiness ruined pleasant memories you had, so don't take the film as seriously as I did. I actually thought Reno did well during the straight actions scenes, which I probably would have enjoyed but I felt the "enemies" he was killing were just too stupid in their speech and their actions for the scenes to interest me. Oldman's character I thought was just too reckless when dealing with other policemen, which felt unrealistic to me. To be frank though I dislike most action films, and I guess I was expecting more of a crime thriller coming in.
jamny
Footballguy
I liked it but i didn't like it. I really hoped it was going to be great, it just wasn't.'jdoggydogg said:
WTF was with the subtitles. That was it for me, that just sent me down a spiral. No need for it. I thought they were going to continue with it and it was really annoying me. But they didn't but then do it again later on for another scene! Why would you show it with subtitles! You didn't need to spell it out!
Plus he should have taken Ceasar to the woods much earlier, explained the situation to his girlfriend much earlier, shown the effect of the drug on his father much earlier.
But here we go. One of the greatest moments in cinematic history just remade. The dirty ape/NO! scene was just unbelievable. I got a little choked up by how good that was.
But from there, I don't know. It was good. I guess they did need the gas to extend the story with more apes being smarter. They made them get too smart too fast.
Plus he should have taken Ceasar to the woods much earlier, explained the situation to his girlfriend much earlier, shown the effect of the drug on his father much earlier.
But here we go. One of the greatest moments in cinematic history just remade. The dirty ape/NO! scene was just unbelievable. I got a little choked up by how good that was.
But from there, I don't know. It was good. I guess they did need the gas to extend the story with more apes being smarter. They made them get too smart too fast.
Chaka
Footballguy
Whatever. Enjoyable. Thought this might have made the elusive 4.5/5 but it's only a 3/5
I am not certain what your complaint is regarding the subtitles. They didn't use them for sequences of Franco speaking with Caesar because Franco was vocally translating that conversation. They used subtitles when apes were communicating with apes because...well if they didn't we would have no real idea what was going on. It would have been asking way too much from the audience.
Not sure how much earlier any of those things you mention could have been done either. But I do agree that the apes became smart pretty fast in movie time, although almost a decade passed in 'real' time so I am not certain how long each transition was intended to take in the script or the director's mind.
Not sure how much earlier any of those things you mention could have been done either. But I do agree that the apes became smart pretty fast in movie time, although almost a decade passed in 'real' time so I am not certain how long each transition was intended to take in the script or the director's mind.
jamny
Footballguy
Whatever. Enjoyable. Thought this might have made the elusive 4.5/5 but it's only a 3/5
I am not certain what your complaint is regarding the subtitles. They didn't use them for sequences of Franco speaking with Caesar because Franco was vocally translating that conversation. They used subtitles when apes were communicating with apes because...well if they didn't we would have no real idea what was going on. It would have been asking way too much from the audience.
Not sure how much earlier any of those things you mention could have been done either. But I do agree that the apes became smart pretty fast in movie time, although almost a decade passed in 'real' time so I am not certain how long each transition was intended to take in the script or the director's mind.
Not sure how much earlier any of those things you mention could have been done either. But I do agree that the apes became smart pretty fast in movie time, although almost a decade passed in 'real' time so I am not certain how long each transition was intended to take in the script or the director's mind.
No, it wouldn't have been too much to ask of the audience. If it was, f-em. Then don't do the scenes. It implied a full language between the apes not just an understanding which just added to my annoyance that I thought they were learning to quick.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not certain what your complaint is regarding the subtitles. They didn't use them for sequences of Franco speaking with Caesar because Franco was vocally translating that conversation. They used subtitles when apes were communicating with apes because...well if they didn't we would have no real idea what was going on. It would have been asking way too much from the audience.
Not sure how much earlier any of those things you mention could have been done either. But I do agree that the apes became smart pretty fast in movie time, although almost a decade passed in 'real' time so I am not certain how long each transition was intended to take in the script or the director's mind.
Not sure how much earlier any of those things you mention could have been done either. But I do agree that the apes became smart pretty fast in movie time, although almost a decade passed in 'real' time so I am not certain how long each transition was intended to take in the script or the director's mind.
No, it wouldn't have been too much to ask of the audience. If it was, f-em. Then don't do the scenes. It implied a full language between the apes not just an understanding which just added to my annoyance that I thought they were learning to quick.
Yes it would have been. But even then I still don't get your complaint. Only two apes were communicating with sign language, Caesar and the circus Orangutan. While I agree that on screen it seemed that they were learning conveniently fast those were the only two apes using language, and even with the others they did show them learning (there was a particularly poignant scene where Bryan Cox watches the apes doing group training but dismisses it). But to think the audience would have embraced zero explanation for the sign language is drastically overestimating them and "f-em" isn't exactly the mentality in Hollywood. Nor should it be.
Outside the obvious time lapses (indicated on-screen as "X Years Later") I think the director didn't do a good job demonstrating the passage of time. But I think it was pretty clear that Caesar was in that facility for several months if not longer. I do agree that the learning seemed too fast the crazy chimp that learned to spell is a great example of where the director got it wrong and diminished Caesar's learning curve in a big way. And for some reason the wild apes just fell in line with their educated brethren without question, which I thought was odd.
Clearly I agree that there were flaws but the sign language subtitles wasn't one of them.
Outside the obvious time lapses (indicated on-screen as "X Years Later") I think the director didn't do a good job demonstrating the passage of time. But I think it was pretty clear that Caesar was in that facility for several months if not longer. I do agree that the learning seemed too fast the crazy chimp that learned to spell is a great example of where the director got it wrong and diminished Caesar's learning curve in a big way. And for some reason the wild apes just fell in line with their educated brethren without question, which I thought was odd.
Clearly I agree that there were flaws but the sign language subtitles wasn't one of them.
jamny
Footballguy
No, it wouldn't have been too much to ask of the audience. If it was, f-em. Then don't do the scenes. It implied a full language between the apes not just an understanding which just added to my annoyance that I thought they were learning to quick.
Yes it would have been. But even then I still don't get your complaint. Only two apes were communicating with sign language, Caesar and the circus Orangutan. While I agree that on screen it seemed that they were learning conveniently fast those were the only two apes using language, and even with the others they did show them learning (there was a particularly poignant scene where Bryan Cox watches the apes doing group training but dismisses it). But to think the audience would have embraced zero explanation for the sign language is drastically overestimating them and "f-em" isn't exactly the mentality in Hollywood. Nor should it be.
Outside the obvious time lapses (indicated on-screen as "X Years Later") I think the director didn't do a good job demonstrating the passage of time. But I think it was pretty clear that Caesar was in that facility for several months if not longer. I do agree that the learning seemed too fast the crazy chimp that learned to spell is a great example of where the director got it wrong and diminished Caesar's learning curve in a big way. And for some reason the wild apes just fell in line with their educated brethren without question, which I thought was odd.
Clearly I agree that there were flaws but the sign language subtitles wasn't one of them.
Outside the obvious time lapses (indicated on-screen as "X Years Later") I think the director didn't do a good job demonstrating the passage of time. But I think it was pretty clear that Caesar was in that facility for several months if not longer. I do agree that the learning seemed too fast the crazy chimp that learned to spell is a great example of where the director got it wrong and diminished Caesar's learning curve in a big way. And for some reason the wild apes just fell in line with their educated brethren without question, which I thought was odd.
Clearly I agree that there were flaws but the sign language subtitles wasn't one of them.
It just killed it for me. There shouldn't have been a languange. What can I say?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Whatever. Enjoyable. Thought this might have made the elusive 4.5/5 but it's only a 3/5
You thought it was going to be great? Maybe I'm cynical, because a lot of the movies I see, I expect mediocrity - and I am not disappointed.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I was at Industrial Light and Magic the other day (LOOK AT ME!) and that was one of the trailers they played for their demo reel. I didn't even remember they used techno in the trailer, but that's horrible. Isn't Cuba Gooding, Jr. in that? That isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
Don't think the first trailer had techno music. Get the feeling it got no buzz so they decided to set another trailer against techno music to liven it up I guess.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Those kinds of anachronisms aren't always bad. The 300 soundtrack has a bit of heavy guitar, but it works.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Ides of March:
A lot of heavy hitters in this movie, but I walked away a bit underwhelmed. I think I was into it right up the point:
Also think Clooney's direction was a little off as well. I remember there being some weird lingering shots of seemingly nothing that were a little distracting. Still recommend taking a peek at it because of all the great actors, but would maybe temper the expectations a little bit. 6/10
A lot of heavy hitters in this movie, but I walked away a bit underwhelmed. I think I was into it right up the point:
When they introduced the sex scandal angle. I guess I am just tired of it, and assume 1/2 these guys are laying pipe across the country on their campaign trails. I was perfectly fine with it being about Gosling's character waffling about which side to be on, and the behind the scenes politics about giving promises for endorsements, etc.. I thought that brought enough interest and tension without bringing in that he diddled an intern too.
Chaka
Footballguy
I am trying to be very optimistic about this film and you guys aren't helping.George Lucas talks Red Tails on The Daily Show
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Whatever. Enjoyable. Thought this might have made the elusive 4.5/5 but it's only a 3/5
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The best thread on these boards keeps rockin'Hey look...500 pages.
hooter311
Footballguy
The best thread on these boards keeps rockin'Hey look...500 pages.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I think this looks terrible. I saw Lucas on the Daily Show talking about this film not getting support from the big studios because it's the first all black movie.What happened to Cuba's career? It was skyrocketing. Then he simply vanished into straight to dvd flicks. He's not anything special but he's certainly not a terrible actor.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
He needs to get Nic Cage's agent or something
Chaka
Footballguy
Once Upon a Time in the West - The fourth Sergio Leone western that I have seen. Typically excellent but I found some of the story didn't make too much sense (like why or how exactly Robards and Bronson suddenly become best buds) and many of the sequences just felt long and unnecessarily drawn out. Although to the latter I read that might have had to do with the score by Ennio Morricone (who else?) which was composed and scored for the original script but during filming Leone made massive rewrites but didn't want to change the score so he compensated by keeping shots going longer to fit the music. I loved that Henry Fonda was the antagonist, and a seriously evil one at that. And the dialogue was incredibly well penned and at times approached being profound (particularly the last exchange between Fonda and Bronson).
Oh and Claudia Cardinale = uber hot.
Great film, totally worth watching.
Oh and Claudia Cardinale = uber hot.
Great film, totally worth watching.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
We got Moneyball and The Devil's Double. Looking forward to both of them.
Chaka
Footballguy
Saw this last night. Pretty much agree. It is a fascinating topic but as a film I could see that it would have difficulty holding the attention of the audience. The use of the Gregorian chants as a device to facilitate the mood and direction of the story was very creative and well done but sitting through a Gregorian chant isn't exactly what I would call riveting. It is an excellent story and an interesting film but if you are looking for a fast paced (or even medium paced) hostage scenario this isn't the movie for you. It is an honest portrayal of great courage and faith surrounding a tragic event.I also agree with your spoiler TK although for me
I found it distracting not for the volume but because I kept wondering when Harry Potter was going to show up. Another classic piece of music ruined by Hollywood.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Saw this last night. Pretty much agree. It is a fascinating topic but as a film I could see that it would have difficulty holding the attention of the audience. The use of the Gregorian chants as a device to facilitate the mood and direction of the story was very creative and well done but sitting through a Gregorian chant isn't exactly what I would call riveting. It is an excellent story and an interesting film but if you are looking for a fast paced (or even medium paced) hostage scenario this isn't the movie for you. It is an honest portrayal of great courage and faith surrounding a tragic event.I also agree with your spoiler TK although for me
I found it distracting not for the volume but because I kept wondering when Harry Potter was going to show up. Another classic piece of music ruined by Hollywood.
The song is too overplayed to be used in the film, especially for the climax of the film.Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I am not certain what your complaint is regarding the subtitles. They didn't use them for sequences of Franco speaking with Caesar because Franco was vocally translating that conversation. They used subtitles when apes were communicating with apes because...well if they didn't we would have no real idea what was going on. It would have been asking way too much from the audience.
Not sure how much earlier any of those things you mention could have been done either. But I do agree that the apes became smart pretty fast in movie time, although almost a decade passed in 'real' time so I am not certain how long each transition was intended to take in the script or the director's mind.
Not sure how much earlier any of those things you mention could have been done either. But I do agree that the apes became smart pretty fast in movie time, although almost a decade passed in 'real' time so I am not certain how long each transition was intended to take in the script or the director's mind.
No, it wouldn't have been too much to ask of the audience. If it was, f-em. Then don't do the scenes. It implied a full language between the apes not just an understanding which just added to my annoyance that I thought they were learning to quick.
Chaka
Footballguy
No, it wouldn't have been too much to ask of the audience. If it was, f-em. Then don't do the scenes. It implied a full language between the apes not just an understanding which just added to my annoyance that I thought they were learning to quick.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
No, it wouldn't have been too much to ask of the audience. If it was, f-em. Then don't do the scenes. It implied a full language between the apes not just an understanding which just added to my annoyance that I thought they were learning to quick.
Chaka
Footballguy
No, it wouldn't have been too much to ask of the audience. If it was, f-em. Then don't do the scenes. It implied a full language between the apes not just an understanding which just added to my annoyance that I thought they were learning to quick.
The director needed someone to kill David Oyelowo's character.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The effects look spectacular, if that helps.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The best thread on these boards keeps rockin'Hey look...500 pages.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Contraband
Meh. Don't bother.
Meh. Don't bother.
Did you like Shooter?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Whatever. Enjoyable. Thought this might have made the elusive 4.5/5 but it's only a 3/5
It's a battle though. I feel as soon as I get into this mindframe I am giving up hope that movies can strive for greatness over mindnumbing entertainment.
joffer
Footballguy
Also think Clooney's direction was a little off as well. I remember there being some weird lingering shots of seemingly nothing that were a little distracting. Still recommend taking a peek at it because of all the great actors, but would maybe temper the expectations a little bit. 6/10
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I recorded Black Swan last night and watched it in bed this morning. I was ten kinds of wasted the first time I saw it, so it was nice to watch it with a relatively clear head. The lady friend and I were very turned on by Natalie's masturbation and dream scenes, which made for a couple time outs, but we got through it. It's amazing how much easier it is to follow sober. While loving the performances, I remember being mildly annoyed by Aronofsky the first time. In a way I hadn't been since the shooting up scenes in Requiem. But I loved it this time. I also didn't pick up on the grander Swan Lake story line the first time, which certainly would have helped explain some of the things that annoyed me, if I had been using my brain. The guy is one of the best working at the moment.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
When do they start shooting The Tuskegee Experiment?
