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[KTM]

So when's biabreakable doing all the other teams?

 

[KTM]

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

 

[got_nugs]

So when's biabreakable doing all the other teams?

I may need some lubricant for this one...

 

[Jene Bramel]

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

BTW, Ty Warren... :X

 

[lord_helmet]

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

BTW, Ty Warren... :X

Your point being ? Warren was an extremely productive lineman this year, you don't think he'll keep it up ?

 

[redman]

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

BTW, Ty Warren... :X

Your point being ? Warren was an extremely productive lineman this year, you don't think he'll keep it up ?

Jene's not a big fan of 3-4 DE's and rightfully so; they don't tend to make good IDP's though there can be exceptions of course.

 

[lord_helmet]

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

BTW, Ty Warren... :X

Your point being ? Warren was an extremely productive lineman this year, you don't think he'll keep it up ?

Jene's not a big fan of 3-4 DE's and rightfully so; they don't tend to make good IDP's though there can be exceptions of course.

Of course I agree, but there are a few exceptions. Castillo and Warren is a couple that comes to mind, as I said Warren definitely had a great year. Was just looking for specific reasons as to why his production might decline back to previous levels

 

[datonn]

Getting caught-up on my last two picks.......

11.10 CB Charles Tillman, Bears - I was much more of a skeptic heading into the 2006 season, but the more I watched him play last season, the more I am a believer in the idea that he will be a highly productive player in the Bears system. The Bears franchising Briggs will help, and I have my fingers crossed that Rivera doesn't get the job in San Diego.

12.04 S Bob Sanders, Colts - Simply jumped off my draft board as the guy to take from a talent/potential perspective. My biggest concern with him is health (I wish he was just a bit bigger/heavier, so that he wouldn't get so many nicks throughout the season). However, when he is healthy, he is easily in my top-five DBs in the NFL. He's still got youth on his side too.....and if there is a better ball-hawk and play-maker at DB still on the board, I'd like to see it. It was worth it too....just to hear the audible GROAN come up from Texas (Bloom) after I took Sanders right in front of Bloom's big run of picks.

 

[shake zula]

Just want to get some opinions on Davis (or is it Williams now?) and Foster in the 11 & 12 round. I obviously think they are steals... but I want to get an outsiders perpective. (Halos I don't give a crap what you think so don't bother responding)

I believe that I was able to grab a ton of talent without sacrificing my IDP and am overall about my team.

 

[got_nugs]

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

BTW, Ty Warren... :X

A guy that is coming into his prime, recorded only 6.5 sacks, 3 of which were LATE in the season, and still scored 6th in overall DE's? I agree that typically 3-4 DE's are not as productive or as coveted, however I think I used this fact to have Warren fall, as I think he's an exception to the rule. Might wanna wipe that off of your shoes, BTW.

 

[Biabreakable]

Thanks Biabreakable, really appreciate your honesty. Some of the deals I made I wanted specific players that were dropping to that position and knew I might be giving up a little too much, but that is the price you pay for the player you want. And as you can tell now from my roster, I am building my roster for the long haul while still keeping it very much in the hunt this year, imho. So far, I am very please with my team and doing exactly what I was expecting to do.SJAX2

Actualy when looking at your draft compared to the rest of the other 15 teams I think your team is in the top 8 of them so that is not bad at all. As long as your young players that you have paid premium to get are not hit by injuries your in pretty good shape at RB. Not many other teams can compete with your Bush/Addai combo. I would like to see a 3rd RB behind them but in a 16 team league that is a lot easier said than done especialy with all the other requirements.At WR Boldin and Mark Clayton are not a weakness but it still may be another year of growing for Clayton. I think he will be a solid WR2 in 07 with WR2 being in the 17-32 range in this league. There are still questions about McSpare declining and who takes over at QB behind him? What will happen with Mason? But Clayton overtook Mason allready I think and will continue to grow. What direction will the Ravens offense take? They might become more of a passing team moving forward. You don't have suitable WRs behind these 2 however . Jackson did seem to get a lot of looks from Rivers late in the season but I do not consider him reliable at all yet. Maybe he will be. There is a lot of change happening in SD right now. Like I said before I really like Owen Daniels but he is a risk still as well. Who will be the Texans QB in 07? If it is Plummer will Putzier become a bigger part of the picture or will Daniels still hold him off?I like your picks on defense so as long as your skill players don't bust you should be in the upper half of this league in 07 and your main players have a lot of room to grow.

 

[Biabreakable]

Seems to me there are some teams Biabreakable hasn't done yet

For this draft I am mainly just interested in Dericks team because of all the trading down he did. He really has made some good trades and is building a quiet juggernaught through that. Even though I did not like some of the picks and overall direction he took at the end of round 12 he has 17 players and another pick coming soon...Alex Fernandez has 16 players now at the end of 12 rounds. I have not noticed until now how he did this? He has some strong players as well and has been using the extra picks he gained to steal the questionable Rbs from owners who still need them.How many rookie picks does AJ Mora have? This guy after 12 rounds still only has 5 players.

 

[KTM]

QB: P. Manning

RB: S. Jackson, E. James

WR: M. Harrison, T. Owens, A. Battle

TE: Des Clark, M. Lewes

DE: D. Burgess

LB: M. Peterson

S: G. Wilson

 

[Jene Bramel]

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

BTW, Ty Warren... :X

A guy that is coming into his prime, recorded only 6.5 sacks, 3 of which were LATE in the season, and still scored 6th in overall DE's? I agree that typically 3-4 DE's are not as productive or as coveted, however I think I used this fact to have Warren fall, as I think he's an exception to the rule. Might wanna wipe that off of your shoes, BTW.

Sorry, that wasn't the best smilie. I didn't intend it to be personally negative, just Warren negative. Here's a link to my extended argument against Warren.

 

[Biabreakable]

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

BTW, Ty Warren... :X

A guy that is coming into his prime, recorded only 6.5 sacks, 3 of which were LATE in the season, and still scored 6th in overall DE's? I agree that typically 3-4 DE's are not as productive or as coveted, however I think I used this fact to have Warren fall, as I think he's an exception to the rule. Might wanna wipe that off of your shoes, BTW.

Sorry, that wasn't the best smilie. I didn't intend it to be personally negative, just Warren negative. Here's a link to my extended argument against Warren.

I agree with Jene for the most part in regards to a DE in a 3-4 defense. They can have a good year sometimes but they are very unlikely to maintain that in the following seasons. One difference in regards to Warren however is that the Patriots use a 3-4/4-3 hybrid defense which does put Warren in a better situation to make plays at times. Especialy when they shift to nickle and dime packages as well.

 

[lord_helmet]

Seems to me there are some teams Biabreakable hasn't done yet

For this draft I am mainly just interested in Dericks team because of all the trading down he did. He really has made some good trades and is building a quiet juggernaught through that. Even though I did not like some of the picks and overall direction he took at the end of round 12 he has 17 players and another pick coming soon...Alex Fernandez has 16 players now at the end of 12 rounds. I have not noticed until now how he did this? He has some strong players as well and has been using the extra picks he gained to steal the questionable Rbs from owners who still need them.

How many rookie picks does AJ Mora have? This guy after 12 rounds still only has 5 players. :X

Fair enough, the thing is you're doing a bang up job with it!

Its hard to follow this draft. All those stupid defensive players being drafted are scewing things.

BTW, Ty Warren... :X

A guy that is coming into his prime, recorded only 6.5 sacks, 3 of which were LATE in the season, and still scored 6th in overall DE's? I agree that typically 3-4 DE's are not as productive or as coveted, however I think I used this fact to have Warren fall, as I think he's an exception to the rule. Might wanna wipe that off of your shoes, BTW.

Sorry, that wasn't the best smilie. I didn't intend it to be personally negative, just Warren negative. Here's a link to my extended argument against Warren.

I see you mention Castillo in your link, would you consider him a #2 DL ? Higher ceiling than Warren or very similar ?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Sorry, that wasn't the best smilie. I didn't intend it to be personally negative, just Warren negative. Here's a link to my extended argument against Warren.

I see you mention Castillo in your link, would you consider him a #2 DL ? Higher ceiling than Warren or very similar ?

I don't know whether it's cool for us to discuss players not yet drafted or take this too far off topic...send me a PM please.

 

[lord_helmet]

Sorry, that wasn't the best smilie. I didn't intend it to be personally negative, just Warren negative. Here's a link to my extended argument against Warren.

I see you mention Castillo in your link, would you consider him a #2 DL ? Higher ceiling than Warren or very similar ?

I don't know whether it's cool for us to discuss players not yet drafted or take this too far off topic...send me a PM please.

Never even thought about that , won't happen again fellas.

 

[redman]

Update:

12.16(192) Omar Gaither- The guy I was hoping for here as the last of the solid LB1's, Farrior, was taken by Bloom at 12.11. Had I gotten Farrior here, my next pick would have been at a different position. As it is, there's still a lot of depth left in the draft at the LB spot, but I have my thoughts about who will rise and who will not among those remaining guys, and Gaither is one who is definitely on the rise IMHO. And he's young which isn't a bad consolation prize for losing the over-30 Farrior.

13.01(193) Gerald Hayes- Another younger but slightly more established guy than Gaither. With Gaither unproven, I wanted a guy who was a little more of a "sure thing" to pair with him and to add depth, and at LB26 (not counting Gaither) he's very good value. I'm still drafting LB starters here, however by picking up two LB's here I can now take more of a BPA approach going forward, which I'd prefer to do.

My roster now is:

QB - Bulger

RB - Tomlinson, L. White

WR - Colston, Burress, Henry

TE - Scheffler, Graham

K -

DT -

DE - Peppers, Suggs

LB - Pierce, Hayes, Gaither

CB -

S - A. Wilson

 

[lord_helmet]

If Hayes can stay healthy he should serve you well for a long time, your D pretty much rocks

 

[redman]

12th round's done:

12.01 Will Grant Grant, Charles NOS DE 9:16:26 a.m. 12.02 Alex Fernandez Thomas, Zach MIA LB 9:17:49 a.m. 12.03 Ben Bregitzer Rhodes, Dominic IND RB 9:17:49 a.m. 12.04 Derek Tonn Sanders, Bob IND S 9:58:32 a.m. 12.05 Alex Fernandez Davis, Domanick HOU RB 9:58:32 a.m. 12.06 Ben Bregitzer Jenkins, Michael ATL WR 9:58:32 a.m. 12.07 Jeff Pasquino Hamlin, Ken SEA S 10:29:31 a.m. 12.08 Sigmund Bloom Williams, Demetrius BAL WR 10:38:45 a.m. 12.09 Alex Fernandez Smith, Justin CIN DE 11:35:46 a.m. 12.10 Aaron Rudnicki Booker, Marty MIA WR 11:35:46 a.m. 12.11 Sigmund Bloom Farrior, James PIT LB 12:30:43 p.m. 12.12 Nick Chadick Peterson, Mike JAC LB 12:30:43 p.m. 12.13 Sigmund Bloom Culpepper, Daunte MIA QB 12:41:51 p.m. 12.14 Marc Faletti Cole, Trent PHI DE 3:48:33 p.m. 12.15 Sigmund Bloom Dansby, Karlos ARI LB 3:48:33 p.m. 12.16 Chris Overton Gaither, Omar PHI LB 4:01:10 p.m.

 

[Biabreakable]

Update:12.16(192) Omar Gaither- The guy I was hoping for here as the last of the solid LB1's, Farrior, was taken by Bloom at 12.11. Had I gotten Farrior here, my next pick would have been at a different position. As it is, there's still a lot of depth left in the draft at the LB spot, but I have my thoughts about who will rise and who will not among those remaining guys, and Gaither is one who is definitely on the rise IMHO. And he's young which isn't a bad consolation prize for losing the over-30 Farrior. 13.01(193) Gerald Hayes- Another younger but slightly more established guy than Gaither. With Gaither unproven, I wanted a guy who was a little more of a "sure thing" to pair with him and to add depth, and at LB26 (not counting Gaither) he's very good value. I'm still drafting LB starters here, however by picking up two LB's here I can now take more of a BPA approach going forward, which I'd prefer to do. My roster now is:QB - BulgerRB - Tomlinson, L. WhiteWR - Colston, Burress, HenryTE - Scheffler, GrahamK - DT - DE - Peppers, SuggsLB - Pierce, Hayes, GaitherCB - S - A. Wilson

Redman drafting from the top position is doing what I suggested SJAX2 could have done if he would not have traded so much or if he would have made different types of trades.Redman has made 4 trades and they have all been trade downs from his position of strength.His best trade was giving up pick 2.16 for pick 4.06 and 5.16 that is exactly what I mean about trading down but picking up an extra pick in the process. Redman starting at pick 1.01 it makes a lot of sense and maximises his advantage in trading his 2nd round penalised pick 2.16 that is meant to balance the advantage of his 1st pick. I love this dynamic and Redman did very well picking up a 4th and 5th round pick for what was essentialy a 3rd round pick. Redman also had pick 3.01 so he was still drafting a player at this level. I think he said somthing about not liking giving up the 2nd as he wanted the player picked just ahead of his 3.01 pick but come on.. this was a great move.These 2 trades while they do not net Redman any extra picks they do work in his advantage by gaining many slots in the early-mid draft:Chris Overton gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 10.16;Year 2006 Draft Pick 20.16Jake Bachman gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 11.14;Year 2006 Draft Pick 15.02Redman gains 5 rounds (top of the round for bottom also) in exchange for swaping his 10th round (end of the round) for an 11th round pick. This is one of the deals SJAX2 gets hosed on. Good Job Redman. Chris Overton gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.01;Year 2006 Draft Pick 11.01Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.07 Redman gains 4 rounds in exchange for moving down in the 5th.This last deal has allready been talked about. Seems like a kooky trade that just kind of landed in Redmans lap:Carlos Rodrigues gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 19.14;Year 2006 Draft Pick 47.02Chris Overton gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.16;Year 2006 Draft Pick 47.01Redman gains 11 rounds and moves from pick 480 to pick 302 in exchange for rookie pick 2.01 to 2.02 This is a shark at work friends. He does give his trade partners what they want but makes it work to his advantage in every trade. I wonder if he could have squeezed a couple more deals out of some over-eager owners to build ever further on his advantage than this. But he conservativly takes what comes to him and still keeps enough picks to land sevel elite players are multiple positions.Now his draft:1.01 LT best player period. LT outscored every other player by about 6pts/game in standard scoring leagues.3.01 Marques Colston a young strong WR with a great QB even better in PPR.4.06 Plaxico Burress the trade down does not hurt much as Plax falls to this pick when he probobly shouldn't have. An elite WR that can compete for the top 16 at WR although he isn't as good in PPR.4.16 Mark Bulger a top 5 QB who is more promising because of the 300 yard game bonus.5.13 Julius Peppers without a doubt the best DE in dynasty. That is 2 #1 players at thier position now.5.16 TE Tony Sheffler not real excited about this pick I might have looked another way but TEs do get a boost with the extra PPR scoring. I may have gone Urlacher S. Holmes or Jennings instead but its not a bad pick either.6.16 Terrell Suggs another elite DE as long as he is not designated as a LB (there is still some questions about Ravens D being 3-4 or 4-3 in thier 46 scheme and Suggs is the main player in question) this is a great pick.7.01 Antonio Pierce a soid top 10 LB with 2 teams/schemes now with plenty of youth still in him.7.07 Adrian Wilson the consensus #1 DB. That is 3 #1 players at thier positions now. Redman is doing what I suggested Derek Tonn should have done.8.16 Chris Henry this WR definitly has skills if he can stay out of trouble. Still a WR3 for now but has room to grow.9.01 Lendale White could be a good RB2 depending on what happens with Henry and the Titans.11.14 TE Daniel Grahm could end up being better than Sheffler with a new team. Would have been better value if Redman had looked another way with the 5.16 pick. But still unknown what Grahm's future is. A player that can be used if White doesen't work out.12.16 Omar Gaither could take over for Trotter in Philly soon or play OLB until Trotter goes away. Upside pick with some uncertainty. I understand why Redman took the risk for the upside however there are other safer LB options still available.13.01 Gerald Hayes MLB for AZ and a good player as long as he stays healthy.So far I think Redman has had possibly the best draft I have seen in this league. If not the best I definitly think he will be top 4 and as long as he continues to make solid picks as he fills out the rest of his team I expect him to be contending for a playoff spot. RB2 is his biggest question mark and that is part of the price he paid for trading down from the 2nd round but there really was not many more sure things than White availale at RB at that point anyways. I like the total execution of his trades and draft with only some minor exceptions such as the Sheffler pick and if he maybe could have pulled off another deal or 2 like the other 4 he got to further build from his position of strength of drawing the 1st overall pick.

 

[datonn]

13.04 - S (CB?) Madieu Williams, Bengals. I've been looking his way a LOT over the past two rounds, but I finally decided to pull the trigger. Top 5-7 DB, in my opinion. However, the uncertainty with Williams revolves around whether the Bengals will be moving him to CB. The jury is still out on that one (though the situation should become more clear over the next 8-10 weeks). Still, even with that bit of uncertainty, I thought Williams was just too good to pass on in this slot

QB - McNabb, Hasselbeck

RB - R. Johnson, McAllister, Norwood

WR - R. Brown, Branch, Furrey, S. Holmes

TE - Watson, Stevens

PK

DT

DE - W. Smith

LB - L. Fletcher-Baker, B. Scott, E. Sims

CB - Tillman

S - B. Sanders, M. Williams

I'm feeling a lot better about my IDP after landing Tillman, Sanders and Williams today. We'll see what's left out there for me in the days to come......

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Draft so far:

1.04 4. Westbrook, Brian PHI RB

3.08 40. Driver, Donald GBP WR

4.09 57. Barber, Marion DAL RB

4.10 58. Crumpler, Alge ATL TE

5.01 65. Vick, Michael ATL QB

6.10 90. Briggs, Lance CHI LB

8.13 125. Lamont Jordan OAK RB

9.02 130. Brandon Jones TEN WR

9.04 132. Terry Glenn DAL WR

10.13 157. Tarvaris Jackson MIN QB

11.01 161. Reche Caldwell NEP WR

11.04 164. Drew Bennett TEN WR

11.10 170. Traded up.

12.07 183. Hamlin, Ken SEA S

13.10 202. Jeff Pasquino Pre-Draft Selection Made

15.13 237. Jeff Pasquino Pre-Draft Selection Made

17.13 269. Jeff Pasquino

17.14 270. Jeff Pasquino

18.07 279. Jeff Pasquino

19.10 298. Jeff Pasquino

20.07 311. Jeff Pasquino

Update.QB - Michael Vick, Tarvaris Jackson

RB - Brian Westbrook, Marion Barber III, LaMont Jordan

WR - Donald Driver, Reche Caldwell, Terry Glenn, Drew Bennett, Brandon Jones

TE - Alge Crumpler

K -

DT -

DE -

LB - Lance Briggs

CB -

S - Kevin Hamlin

 

[redman]

Wow, kind words Biaka. Thanks. I'm just impressed you took the time to write all of that up, much less could make sense of what I was trying to do.

The thing I'll amplify from what you said about my draft is that I need to continue picking talent because all I've done is start building my team. I like what I've done, but it's definitely not complete. The players we're all picking now will have a lot to do with what our teams do in years 2-5.

 

[Biabreakable]

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to AJ Moura's picks. Pasquino seems to be an owner working him over pretty hard.

He has made a lot of trades. It is kind of hard to sort through. I wonder how well he may have kept tabs on them all himself? Going through them one by one some of the deals I didn't think were that bad then others are where he is giving up multiple picks to move up to a higher pick, those really hurt him when you add them up.

Alex Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.10;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.08

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 25.14

Pretty steep price to move up in the 5th round with this one. This trade I see in Moura's favor.

Jake Bachman gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.03

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.10;Year 2006 Draft Pick 24.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 48.07

Again Moura moves down and picks up higher picks in the process giving up a rookie 3.07 for 6.03 vet. This trade I see in Moura's favor.

Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.13

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.07;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.08

Moura gives up a 6th and 9th for a 4th (close to 5th round pick) and trades back in the rookie draft at the same time. Loss for Moura.

Jake Parrish gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.08

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.09

Moura loses a 6th round pick for the 1.08 rookie that he later downgrades to pick 1.13 rookie.

Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 48.07

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 49.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 49.04

These are rookie picks Moura trades back in the 1st again to pick up a mid 3rd round pick.

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.14;Year 2006 Draft Pick 8.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 21.04

Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.07;Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.09;Year 2006 Draft Pick 21.10

Moura gives up 4th and 8th round picks for 2 6th round picks that he previously punts. All these deals involve Pasquino and Jeff keeps whittling this guy down repeatedly.

35 trades in all. It is just getting dizzying to follow.

Jake Bachman gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 26.15

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.11;Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.14;Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.07

This trade Moura gives up a lot to move to pick 13 overall.

Nick Chadick gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.14;Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.15

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.03;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.15

Moura trades back in round 3 to move up to round 7.

Nick Chadick gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 8.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.15

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.05

Another trade I see in Moura's favor he trades back from round 6 for an 8th and 9th round pick. Where does he make these picks that he gains?

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 29.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 37.14

Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 13.10

Pasquino gains 37th round pick net while moving up from 6th to 5th for a 13th round pick.

Marc Faletti gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.03;Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.14

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.07

Moura trades back from round 2 to 3 and nets a 4th round pick. Another deal in Moura's favor.

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.11;Year 2006 Draft Pick 14.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.11;Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 42.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 42.13

Jake Bachman gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.11;Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.13

This deal is terrible for Moura. He gives up a 1st 6th 14th + late picks for a 2nd 5th and 1.13 rookie pick. Why?

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 11.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 31.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 36.13

Carlos Rodrigues gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 17.14;Year 2006 Draft Pick 24.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 25.14

Moura trades back from 11 to 17 for 24th and 25th round upgrades.

Sigmund Bloom gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.11;Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.11

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.08;Year 2006 Draft Pick 12.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 17.04

Bloom works Moura over on this one gaining a 12th and 17th round picks for trade down from 6th to 7th.

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 8.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 10.13

Alex Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.08

Moura gives up 2 picks 8th and 10th round to move up to pick 7.08

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.14;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.13

Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.10;Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.07;Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.07

Moura gets worked over by Jeff again giving up a 1st round rookie (later traded back to him) while letting Jeff move up in the 1st round. If anything this deal should have been the other way around for the favor.

Derek Tonn gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.14;Year 2006 Draft Pick 37.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 42.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 43.13

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.07;Year 2006 Draft Pick 13.04;Year

This deal definitly favors Derek Tonn.

Carlos Rodrigues gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.13

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 47.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 48.13

high 2nd round rookie and a 3rd round rookie pick for late 1st round unlucky 13 that gets moved many times.

Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.07

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.15

Comments: swap of 4ths for your 1.15 rookie. Sure Jeff.. whittling all the way..

Derek Tonn gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 44.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 45.13

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 25.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 47.04

Derek Tonn trades 4th rounder for 6th 7th and 25th giving back late picks in the process.

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 49.04

Jake Bachman gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 47.02

Moura gives up a 9th round pick for late rookie 1st rounder that he later gives Jeff for move up in 4th round.

Derek Tonn gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.04

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.13

Comments: What we've discussed on IM. Thanks!

Ouch a 4th 5th and the unlucky 13 1st round rookie for the 4th rookie pick overall. Probobly his worst trade of all of these.

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.04

Brian Smith gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 1.12

Moura gives up a 2nd and 3rd round pick for a 1st round pick.

It has been a group effort but AJ Moura has been systematicly decimated and will in all likelyhood be the worst team in the league before the bell is even rung. This is what he has to show now for all his favors:

1.13 Ronnie Brown

2.15 Roy Williams

4.15 Matt Leinart

5.10 LJ Smith

6.03 Jamal Lewis

No picks until pick 14.07

He doesen't have a clump of picks coming ahead either once he starts picking again never having more than 2 picks in any of the upcoming rounds which are well outside the area where decent talent can be reasonably found.

As far as rookie picks he has pick 1.04 1.07 (his original pick) and a couple late 1st round picks.

This guys team is a disaster. He better keep his original rookie picks because they are going to be good ones for at least a couple years if not longer.

Congats to everyone who took advantage of this guy and I expect you will keep hounding him. I will not be suprised if this owner bails on his team soon after the mess he has created. Then it will be up to someone else to try to fix this thing.

 

[Biabreakable]

Wow, kind words Biaka. Thanks. I'm just impressed you took the time to write all of that up, much less could make sense of what I was trying to do. The thing I'll amplify from what you said about my draft is that I need to continue picking talent because all I've done is start building my team. I like what I've done, but it's definitely not complete. The players we're all picking now will have a lot to do with what our teams do in years 2-5.

Just giving credit where credit is due.You got lucky to draw the 1st overall pick. But I always like to see people make the most of what the good lord gave them. Others are trying to compensate by hook and crook..I totaly agree that this draft is still in the early stages and the next 10 rounds will be pretty significant for filling out rosters as well as developmental depth. There will be a few gems that can still emerge and greatly outperform thier draft position that will be difference makers. After round 25 or so things are going to get rather ugly when people are going to be picking 3rd stringers and dregish CB 2s. I probobly should have joined this league but I didn't (and still don't) like many of the scoring rules. I also knew I wouldn't have enough time to commit to a draft right now as I have been pretty heavily taxed at work (about to be gone for another week after tomorow).So that leaves me to only being able to call shots from the peanut gallery. It looks like a great group of owners overall and that is the most important thing in a Dynasty league. I like how most of the owners seem to be avid traders. That is some action I wish I could be cutting in on. I especialy love to trade mid draft or pre draft with so many things still unknown.I will be looking at Alex Fernandez's approach next..

 

[Warpig]

My updated roster:

qb - Brees, Simms

rb - Maroney, C. Taylor, D. Rhodes

wr - Stallworth, Muhammed, Jenkins

te - Heap

de - Aaron Schobel, Dwight Freeney

lb - Kirk Morrison

Picking # 11 out of 16 blows!

 

[comfortably numb]

Congats to everyone who took advantage of this guy and I expect you will keep hounding him. I will not be suprised if this owner bails on his team soon after the mess he has created. Then it will be up to someone else to try to fix this thing.

He is a friend of mine, and I think he underestimated the nature of a 16 team IDP league, with sharks to boot.I have told him, he has done a horrible job with his picks. He is the front runner for thr 1st pick in the 08 draft so far, but alot can still happen.The one thing I will say, he will NOT leave his team. He may have put himself WAAAAY behind the 8-Ball, but thankfully I know he will not leave. He did this in one start up league several years ago, it was a 12 teamer, he bounced back pretty quickly, however a 16 teamer with the great owners we have he has a mountain to climb.

 

[comfortably numb]

Wow, kind words Biaka. Thanks. I'm just impressed you took the time to write all of that up, much less could make sense of what I was trying to do.

The thing I'll amplify from what you said about my draft is that I need to continue picking talent because all I've done is start building my team. I like what I've done, but it's definitely not complete. The players we're all picking now will have a lot to do with what our teams do in years 2-5.

Just giving credit where credit is due.You got lucky to draw the 1st overall pick. But I always like to see people make the most of what the good lord gave them.

Others are trying to compensate by hook and crook..

I totaly agree that this draft is still in the early stages and the next 10 rounds will be pretty significant for filling out rosters as well as developmental depth. There will be a few gems that can still emerge and greatly outperform thier draft position that will be difference makers. After round 25 or so things are going to get rather ugly when people are going to be picking 3rd stringers and dregish CB 2s.

I probobly should have joined this league but I didn't (and still don't) like many of the scoring rules. I also knew I wouldn't have enough time to commit to a draft right now as I have been pretty heavily taxed at work (about to be gone for another week after tomorow).

So that leaves me to only being able to call shots from the peanut gallery.

It looks like a great group of owners overall and that is the most important thing in a Dynasty league. I like how most of the owners seem to be avid traders. That is some action I wish I could be cutting in on. I especialy love to trade mid draft or pre draft with so many things still unknown.

I will be looking at Alex Fernandez's approach next..

You are dead on there, this is a great bunch of guys to start up with.By the way, great job on the write ups, the next best thing to this league, is coming here and reading your post

 

[comfortably numb]

My updated Roster (for those who have signitures turned off)

Carlos Rodrigues

QB Roethlisberger

RB Caddy, MBell

RB Jacobs, AGreen

WR Chad

WR Ward

WR

TE Gonzalez

K

LB Adalius Thomas

DT Jason Taylor

DE

CB Champ

SS

Rookie picks

1.1

2.1

2.4

2.15

3.3

3.7

3.13

 

[Warpig]

Is there anyone else that has commish rights in our league other than Brian? I'm trying to cancel my pre-draft list and I've PM'd Brian but haven't heard back.

 

[redman]

Is there anyone else that has commish rights in our league other than Brian? I'm trying to cancel my pre-draft list and I've PM'd Brian but haven't heard back.

Ben, all you have to do to cancel your pre-draft is reopen the list, manually remove each player from the list, and hit "save".

 

[comfortably numb]

Is there anyone else that has commish rights in our league other than Brian? I'm trying to cancel my pre-draft list and I've PM'd Brian but haven't heard back.

I don't think so,Can't you just go back to the predraft screen and remove the players name?What kind of problem are you having.

 

[Biabreakable]

Alex Fernandez drew the 8th slot so he is right in the middle of the 16 teams and middle rookie picks as well.

These are the trades he has done so far:

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 8.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 10.13

Alex Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.08

1st trade with Moura gives him an extra 10th round pick for moving down from round 7 to 8.

Brian Smith gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 7.12;Year 2006 Draft Pick 8.05;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.12;Year 2006 Draft Pick 47.12

Alex Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.08;Year 2006 Draft Pick 25.08;Year 2006 Draft Pick 27.08;Year 2006 Draft Pick 49.08

I like this trade down from pick 72 to gain 3 early-mid round picks + a rookie pick upgrade.

Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.10;Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 8.07;Year 2006 Draft Pick 10.07

Alex Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.09;Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.09;Year 2006 Draft Pick 8.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 10.13

I don't see very much point in this trade as he drops from pick 57 to picks 74 and 77 and some modest upgrades in round 8 and round 10. I assume this is to replace his lost 5th round pick in previous trade + upgrades and maybe he doesen't like the tier drop he see's before pick 57. Jeff uses this pick to draft Marion Barber.

Alex Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 3.08;Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.13

Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 2.13;Year 2006 Draft Pick 8.02

Trades up with Jeff to end of round 2 giving up a 3rd and a 3 round upgrade. Alex uses this pick to draft Carson Palmer.

Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.10;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.08

AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 5.04;Year 2006 Draft Pick 25.14

Alex loses in this trade with Moura by trading up 6 slots in the 5th but giving a 16 round upgrade. He does this to draft Randy Moss.

Jake Bachman gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.08;Year 2006 Draft Pick 11.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 32.15

Alex Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.12;Year 2006 Draft Pick 10.09;Year 2006 Draft Pick 30.09

Trades back 6 slots in the 9th for 2 pick upgrades.

Nick Chadick gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 11.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 12.02

Alex Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 10.07;Year 2006 Draft Pick 14.09

Trades back from the 10th to the 11th to upgrade a 14th round pick to a 12th.

Fernandez gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 11.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 13.08;Year 2006 Draft Pick 47.08

Brian Smith gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 11.12;Year 2006 Draft Pick 12.05

Trades up slightly in the 11th and a 12th for 13th by giving up rookie pick 24.

Alex mostly trades down to improve his draft position moving picks into the top 12 rounds. With one trade up that he uses to draft Palmer. He also lines up 4 picks in round 8 which is the best grouping/run I have seen executed through trades so far. SJAX2 did a similar thing with picks in round 10 which is obviously not quite as good. Alex also manages to form 3 pick clumps in the 11th and 12th rounds. I like his trade down strategy and he only gave up his 3rd 4th 6th 10th and rookie pick 24 overall to do it. With exception of the trade up for Randy Moss this is well executed.

His draft:

1.08 FWP a good young RB solid pick.

2.09 McGahee another solid RB although there are questions about him staying in Buffalo. He is a feature RB and will likely be helped if he plays for a team with a better OLine. Another solid pick and a good start securing 2 feature RBs. Starting in the middle and WR picks helped him to do this.

2.13 Carson Palmer I like this move securing a elite QB in dynasty saves a lot of headaches and is a greater advantage in a 16 team league imo.

5.04 Randy Moss trade downs may have made Alex a bit antsy as he watched the elite skill players come off the board. Would Moss have lasted to pick 58? I dunno. I think he gave up to much to move here but he did get Moss who if he returns to form was the last elite WR prospect left so I understand the gamble.

7.12 Lofa Tatupu with the top skill players being gone he shifts focus to a young top 10 LB. Good pick.

8.02 Bernard Berrian I like this pick as Berrian showed a lot of promise last year. I think he can be a solid WR2 as long as he stays healthy. Here begins Alex's run of picks in the 8th round.

8.05 Jonathan Vilma another good young LB Vilma was not as effective in the 3-4 defense but perhaps he will perform better with a year of experience in the scheme.

8.07 Antonio Bryant I don't really like this pick. Alex needs WRs but I don't see Bryant as a solid performer you can count on as a WR3.

8.09 Dallas Clark when Clark is healthy he is a potent weapon for the Colts offense. Teams are playing more conservativly against the Colts lately to stop the big play forcing Peyton to go to Clark and the RBs more often. We saw Clark perform very well in the playoffs and I expect that to continue moving forward. I like this pick for how long he waited to draft a TE and I think people underestimate what Clark is capable of in the Colts offense if he can stay healthy a full season.

9.08 Isaac Bruce this is not a long term answer but Bruce could have another solid season with the Lambs at 35 years old now. I think he will be playing for Alex more often than Bryant will. Those 2 make a suitable matchup WRBC especialy in the NFC west. Considering this I like the Bryant pick better now as Alex can play the matchups with these 2. Long term solution still needs to be found.

11.02 Troy Williamson and here Alex takes a shot at a WR who could be his long term solution if he can put the dropped passes in his past.

11.08 Leon Washington a possible RB3 if the Jets do not go another direction.

11.12 DeShaun Foster I don't really like this pick as Foster has proven to not be a feature RB imho by now but he may serve as trade bait later on if he lands with a new team or starts off strong.

12.02 Zach Thomas Thomas has not slipped in ability yet but he is 34 years old now. Still he could perform as a top 10 or even possibly top 5 LB in 2007 before age catches up with him. Solid pick when Alex can use a later selection to replace Thomas in the long run.

12.05 Domanic Williams (Davis) This coming offseason will tell if Williams can play again or not. Risky pick but could pay off if Williams has recovered. I see these RB picks as Alex taking value for trade bait to teams that have neglected the RB position which is a viable strategy as such trades may help him improve at the WR position or IDPs later on.

12.09 DE Justin Smith I don't much like Smith he is only barely above average as a DE. Perhaps Alex should have been drafting better IDPs instead of those RB.

Alex does not pick again until 15.08 now.

For the most part I like what he did in trading down and the picks he made. The main thing I think he could have and should have done is focus more on his IDPs with those clumped picks in rounds 11 and 12. He would have come away from this with a much stronger roster that way. He had allready fixed his WR and TE before then although it was not ideal. I can understand taking one RB but not all 3. He could have taken LBs Mike Peterson Farrior Dansby or Hayes for examples or taken DEs Charles Grant Cole or Abraham. Most of the DBs were still available to him as well. While I can understand wanting depth at the RB position for his team in case of injury/byes and also for trade bait I don't see those trades paying off as well as what some solid IDPs could do for his points scored every game. When all is said and done if one of those RBs works out them great but I see that as more breaking even with what he could have drafted. He took on some risk with those RB that could have been mitigated by just continuing to fill out his lineup.

Overall I like his team. Much will depend on what IDPs he selects later. The pick of Justin Smith I don't consider to be a good sign as far as his IDP knowledge is concerned but maybe that is just one blip on the radar. We will find out soon enough.

If one or more of those late picks at RB do pan out and his later IDP picks are solid then he is in a position to use a trade to upgrade at WR and that is a weakness that still needs to be addessed. He does have an advantage over many teams at RB and QB and I also think Clark will be fine for him at TE. Clark may end up being one of his better value picks.

As it is I don't think he is quite a playoff caliber team. He took several risky players starting with Randy Moss. But if those risks pan out and as I allready said he finds IDP talent later in the draft then he could contend for the playoffs right away.

Good luck Alex and I did find your draft to be one of the more interesting ones because of the trade down strategy you used. A better focused draft in execution of your trade down strategy is what I was looking for although I understand why you made those RB picks.

 

[redman]

What are we going to do about Jake Parrish (got nugs)? From what I understand he's out of town for six days, and I have no idea what his internet access will be like. His pick is up and the timer's down to about 70 mins right now.

Obviously real life comes first but I also don't want a guy's team just drifting at this point in the draft with him missing picks as it diminishes the competitiveness of the league and also it makes us wait. Have we made any provisions for his absence, Brian?

 

[Warpig]

Is there anyone else that has commish rights in our league other than Brian? I'm trying to cancel my pre-draft list and I've PM'd Brian but haven't heard back.

Ben, all you have to do to cancel your pre-draft is reopen the list, manually remove each player from the list, and hit "save".

I don't have access from work. It's cool though, because I had Terry update it.

 

[Warpig]

What are we going to do about Jake Parrish (got nugs)? From what I understand he's out of town for six days, and I have no idea what his internet access will be like. His pick is up and the timer's down to about 70 mins right now. Obviously real life comes first but I also don't want a guy's team just drifting at this point in the draft with him missing picks as it diminishes the competitiveness of the league and also it makes us wait. Have we made any provisions for his absence, Brian?

Has he timed out yet?

 

[Biabreakable]

Congats to everyone who took advantage of this guy and I expect you will keep hounding him. I will not be suprised if this owner bails on his team soon after the mess he has created. Then it will be up to someone else to try to fix this thing.

He is a friend of mine, and I think he underestimated the nature of a 16 team IDP league, with sharks to boot.I have told him, he has done a horrible job with his picks. He is the front runner for thr 1st pick in the 08 draft so far, but alot can still happen.The one thing I will say, he will NOT leave his team. He may have put himself WAAAAY behind the 8-Ball, but thankfully I know he will not leave. He did this in one start up league several years ago, it was a 12 teamer, he bounced back pretty quickly, however a 16 teamer with the great owners we have he has a mountain to climb.

Glad to hear he is a stand up guy willing to contribute to the championship fund while he tries to fix the mess he has made of his team. Learning curve is definitly going to be a chalenging one for him.He really needs to lay down the trade pipe for awhile though until he gets his bearings. And for gawd sakes this guy better not trade his 08 rookie picks which is what I am sure these preditors will target soon enough. There is some hope for a rebuild as long as he hangs on to those.Have you shared this website with him? That would go a long way in helping him out moving forward I would think.

 

[redman]

What are we going to do about Jake Parrish (got nugs)? From what I understand he's out of town for six days, and I have no idea what his internet access will be like. His pick is up and the timer's down to about 70 mins right now. Obviously real life comes first but I also don't want a guy's team just drifting at this point in the draft with him missing picks as it diminishes the competitiveness of the league and also it makes us wait. Have we made any provisions for his absence, Brian?

Has he timed out yet?

Another hour.

 

[-OZ-]

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to AJ Moura's picks. Pasquino seems to be an owner working him over pretty hard.It has been a group effort but AJ Moura has been systematicly decimated and will in all likelyhood be the worst team in the league before the bell is even rung. This is what he has to show now for all his favors:1.13 Ronnie Brown2.15 Roy Williams4.15 Matt Leinart5.10 LJ Smith6.03 Jamal LewisNo picks until pick 14.07He doesen't have a clump of picks coming ahead either once he starts picking again never having more than 2 picks in any of the upcoming rounds which are well outside the area where decent talent can be reasonably found.As far as rookie picks he has pick 1.04 1.07 (his original pick) and a couple late 1st round picks.This guys team is a disaster. He better keep his original rookie picks because they are going to be good ones for at least a couple years if not longer.Congats to everyone who took advantage of this guy and I expect you will keep hounding him. I will not be suprised if this owner bails on his team soon after the mess he has created. Then it will be up to someone else to try to fix this thing.

I do like each pick he's made. His QB looks like he'll have a bright future, as does his WR1. His RB duo has potential, depending what happens to Jamal this year. Either way, good value on all picks.However, I concur. That overall starting lineup is horrendous. No depth to speak of, he's going to be starting tier 3 or worse IDPs, and I have no idea how he's going to get 2 or 3 more quality WRs and a backup QB. Good luck, Darren McFadden will fit in well here.BTW, I don't see where he has his 1.07.

 

[Biabreakable]

What are we going to do about Jake Parrish (got nugs)? From what I understand he's out of town for six days, and I have no idea what his internet access will be like. His pick is up and the timer's down to about 70 mins right now. Obviously real life comes first but I also don't want a guy's team just drifting at this point in the draft with him missing picks as it diminishes the competitiveness of the league and also it makes us wait. Have we made any provisions for his absence, Brian?

Has he timed out yet?

I will pick for the guy if there is no other arrangement.

 

[redman]

Congats to everyone who took advantage of this guy and I expect you will keep hounding him. I will not be suprised if this owner bails on his team soon after the mess he has created. Then it will be up to someone else to try to fix this thing.

He is a friend of mine, and I think he underestimated the nature of a 16 team IDP league, with sharks to boot.I have told him, he has done a horrible job with his picks. He is the front runner for thr 1st pick in the 08 draft so far, but alot can still happen.The one thing I will say, he will NOT leave his team. He may have put himself WAAAAY behind the 8-Ball, but thankfully I know he will not leave. He did this in one start up league several years ago, it was a 12 teamer, he bounced back pretty quickly, however a 16 teamer with the great owners we have he has a mountain to climb.

Glad to hear he is a stand up guy willing to contribute to the championship fund while he tries to fix the mess he has made of his team. Learning curve is definitly going to be a chalenging one for him.He really needs to lay down the trade pipe for awhile though until he gets his bearings. And for gawd sakes this guy better not trade his 08 rookie picks which is what I am sure these preditors will target soon enough. There is some hope for a rebuild as long as he hangs on to those.Have you shared this website with him? That would go a long way in helping him out moving forward I would think.

I was asking for the guys' FBG's handles and Carlos (comfortably numb) indicated that he'd signed his friend up here, so he's certainly new to this site and I'm unaware of him actually using it although I wouldn't know that other than by him posting.

 

[Biabreakable]

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to AJ Moura's picks. Pasquino seems to be an owner working him over pretty hard.It has been a group effort but AJ Moura has been systematicly decimated and will in all likelyhood be the worst team in the league before the bell is even rung. This is what he has to show now for all his favors:1.13 Ronnie Brown2.15 Roy Williams4.15 Matt Leinart5.10 LJ Smith6.03 Jamal LewisNo picks until pick 14.07He doesen't have a clump of picks coming ahead either once he starts picking again never having more than 2 picks in any of the upcoming rounds which are well outside the area where decent talent can be reasonably found.As far as rookie picks he has pick 1.04 1.07 (his original pick) and a couple late 1st round picks.This guys team is a disaster. He better keep his original rookie picks because they are going to be good ones for at least a couple years if not longer.Congats to everyone who took advantage of this guy and I expect you will keep hounding him. I will not be suprised if this owner bails on his team soon after the mess he has created. Then it will be up to someone else to try to fix this thing.

I do like each pick he's made. His QB looks like he'll have a bright future, as does his WR1. His RB duo has potential, depending what happens to Jamal this year. Either way, good value on all picks.However, I concur. That overall starting lineup is horrendous. No depth to speak of, he's going to be starting tier 3 or worse IDPs, and I have no idea how he's going to get 2 or 3 more quality WRs and a backup QB. Good luck, Darren McFadden will fit in well here.BTW, I don't see where he has his 1.07.

I might be mistaken but I think 1.07 is his original draft pick based off of his draft order. I did not see him trade it away. All the trades are stupifying though. I am still wondering if rookie pick 1.13 was traded twice illagitimatly or not it changed owners so many times.

 

[-OZ-]

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to AJ Moura's picks. Pasquino seems to be an owner working him over pretty hard.It has been a group effort but AJ Moura has been systematicly decimated and will in all likelyhood be the worst team in the league before the bell is even rung. This is what he has to show now for all his favors:1.13 Ronnie Brown2.15 Roy Williams4.15 Matt Leinart5.10 LJ Smith6.03 Jamal LewisNo picks until pick 14.07He doesen't have a clump of picks coming ahead either once he starts picking again never having more than 2 picks in any of the upcoming rounds which are well outside the area where decent talent can be reasonably found.As far as rookie picks he has pick 1.04 1.07 (his original pick) and a couple late 1st round picks.This guys team is a disaster. He better keep his original rookie picks because they are going to be good ones for at least a couple years if not longer.Congats to everyone who took advantage of this guy and I expect you will keep hounding him. I will not be suprised if this owner bails on his team soon after the mess he has created. Then it will be up to someone else to try to fix this thing.

I do like each pick he's made. His QB looks like he'll have a bright future, as does his WR1. His RB duo has potential, depending what happens to Jamal this year. Either way, good value on all picks.However, I concur. That overall starting lineup is horrendous. No depth to speak of, he's going to be starting tier 3 or worse IDPs, and I have no idea how he's going to get 2 or 3 more quality WRs and a backup QB. Good luck, Darren McFadden will fit in well here.BTW, I don't see where he has his 1.07.

I might be mistaken but I think 1.07 is his original draft pick based off of his draft order. I did not see him trade it away. All the trades are stupifying though. I am still wondering if rookie pick 1.13 was traded twice illagitimatly or not it changed owners so many times.

Rounds 46-50 are the rookie draft, 46.04 724. AJ Moura46.13 733. AJ Moura46.15 735. AJ Moura46.07 727. Jeff PasquinoI'm with you though, I don't see it traded. I do see:7. Jeff Pasquino / AJ Moura Trade * Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.13 * AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.07;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.08

 

[shake zula]

Biabreakable,

I appreciate the write up and I believe you where far kinder to me about the move to get Moss then I would have been to someone else. Again thanks.

In any case my plan has worked out more or less how I expexted. My main concern after the 1st few rounds was my WR position. But I think I rebounded nicely w/ Berrian and Bryant. I am not as down on Bryant as others apparently are . In regards to my IDP I think I made two strong moves early w/ Vilma and Tatupu. Drafting these two players left me with wiggle room at IDP which I was able to use later on to take a few riskier players in rounds 9-12. In regards to Justin Smith, IMO he is a top end DE, he isn't Suggs or Peppers but the man brings tackles and sacks to the table at a consistant rate and he is only 28. I'm not sure why you are down on him, maybe I missed something I shouldn't have but I have been sitting on him for a few rounds and couldn't let him drop anymore.

Here is a little insight into my decision to nab 3 RB's in the 10th, 11th, 12th. It was definitley not planned at 1st but I'm of the belief that you will not be able to find RB help deep in the draft but IDP players are generally widely available. Also the 3 RB's I took are all in their early twenties and in one way or another are extremely talened. While I agree Foster has gotten hurt early and oftern in his career he still rushed for 897 yards in 14 games and I'm not sold on Deangolo. Davis/Williams is on the same boat, this was a RB1 going into last year and in a ppr league I think he can still be a top 10 RB. He will be coming back from a lesser injury then Franky Gore and he may infact have more talent, so this late in game I felt value wise he was a steal.

Maybe I should have grabbed another LB in hindsight but imo there is still a TON of talent left at LB, S, and DE. The talent at RB is virtually gone. I may be giving away my draft strategy here but I think I already did that in my early decision making...

 

[Biabreakable]

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to AJ Moura's picks. Pasquino seems to be an owner working him over pretty hard.It has been a group effort but AJ Moura has been systematicly decimated and will in all likelyhood be the worst team in the league before the bell is even rung. This is what he has to show now for all his favors:1.13 Ronnie Brown2.15 Roy Williams4.15 Matt Leinart5.10 LJ Smith6.03 Jamal LewisNo picks until pick 14.07He doesen't have a clump of picks coming ahead either once he starts picking again never having more than 2 picks in any of the upcoming rounds which are well outside the area where decent talent can be reasonably found.As far as rookie picks he has pick 1.04 1.07 (his original pick) and a couple late 1st round picks.This guys team is a disaster. He better keep his original rookie picks because they are going to be good ones for at least a couple years if not longer.Congats to everyone who took advantage of this guy and I expect you will keep hounding him. I will not be suprised if this owner bails on his team soon after the mess he has created. Then it will be up to someone else to try to fix this thing.

I do like each pick he's made. His QB looks like he'll have a bright future, as does his WR1. His RB duo has potential, depending what happens to Jamal this year. Either way, good value on all picks.However, I concur. That overall starting lineup is horrendous. No depth to speak of, he's going to be starting tier 3 or worse IDPs, and I have no idea how he's going to get 2 or 3 more quality WRs and a backup QB. Good luck, Darren McFadden will fit in well here.BTW, I don't see where he has his 1.07.

I might be mistaken but I think 1.07 is his original draft pick based off of his draft order. I did not see him trade it away. All the trades are stupifying though. I am still wondering if rookie pick 1.13 was traded twice illagitimatly or not it changed owners so many times.

Rounds 46-50 are the rookie draft, 46.04 724. AJ Moura46.13 733. AJ Moura46.15 735. AJ Moura46.07 727. Jeff PasquinoI'm with you though, I don't see it traded. I do see:7. Jeff Pasquino / AJ Moura Trade * Jeff Pasquino gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 4.15;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.13 * AJ Moura gave up Year 2006 Draft Pick 6.07;Year 2006 Draft Pick 9.02;Year 2006 Draft Pick 46.08

Ah I was going off memory. It is a lot to wade through those 35 trades. I probobly made a mistake somewhere. Honestly it would be easier to track if the rookie picks had a different identifier.Where did he get pick 1.08 for Jeff to pilfer off him?Jeff better have a killer squad after all the damage he has dealt to just this guy alone.

 

[Biabreakable]

Biabreakable,I appreciate the write up and I believe you where far kinder to me about the move to get Moss then I would have been to someone else. Again thanks.

Well it was a terrible trade. But you got RANDY MOSS!! I am and will probobly always will be one of Moss's biggest fans even if he never returns to his former glory. That guy is just unbelievable what he can do when he feels like it. No other player I have seen play the game of football besides maybe Barry Sanders can have you on the edge of your seat knowing that guy can score from anywhere at anytime he wants to.And in the same vein Randy Moss could make that trade look like genius if he decides to go on another reighn of terror on NFL defenses.

In any case my plan has worked out more or less how I expexted. My main concern after the 1st few rounds was my WR position. But I think I rebounded nicely w/ Berrian and Bryant. I am not as down on Bryant as others apparently are .

Actualy I really like Alex Smith but Bryant has just never seemed to turn the corner. He is a bit of a problem child himself allready on his 3rd team. He came into the league very young however. He is a experienced 26 year old WR so perhaps better seasons are ahead for him now. The 9er offense looks geared to go through primarily Gore and Davis moving forward however and I am not sure if Bryant will be number 3 or if it will be another player or not.

In regards to my IDP I think I made two strong moves early w/ Vilma and Tatupu. Drafting these two players left me with wiggle room at IDP which I was able to use later on to take a few riskier players in rounds 9-12. In regards to Justin Smith, IMO he is a top end DE, he isn't Suggs or Peppers but the man brings tackles and sacks to the table at a consistant rate and he is only 28. I'm not sure why you are down on him, maybe I missed something I shouldn't have but I have been sitting on him for a few rounds and couldn't let him drop anymore.

If Vilma posts numbers somewhere inbetween what he did as a rookie and what he did last year than he will be solid. But the 3-4 scheme really seemed to hurt his production a lot and that may not change.As far as Justin Smith goes I am not the only person not excited about him. Perhaps you have missed me and Jene's discussion about him and the Bengal offense in the IDP forum. To me he is above average at best and so hardly more than replacement level as a DE. Certainly not an IDP I would be taking as high as you have with so many other better defensive talents available. But that is just my opinion.His career so far does not excite me. His rookie and contract year (2006) have been his best and it is not that great.Justin Smith:2001 41 solo tackles 13as 8.5 sacks 5PD 2INT 0FF 0FR 2002 48 solo tackles 13as 7.5 sacks 3PD 0INT 2FF 0FR 2003 41 solo tackles 19as 5.0 sacks 3PD 0INT 0FF 0FR 2004 42 solo tackles 28as 7.5 sacks 2PD 0INT 2FF 2FR 2005 45 solo tackles 20as 5.5 sacks 2PD 0INT 1FF 1FR 2006 50 solo tackles 31as 7.0 sacks 3PD 0INT 1FF 2FR

Here is a little insight into my decision to nab 3 RB's in the 10th, 11th, 12th. It was definitley not planned at 1st but I'm of the belief that you will not be able to find RB help deep in the draft but IDP players are generally widely available. Also the 3 RB's I took are all in their early twenties and in one way or another are extremely talened. While I agree Foster has gotten hurt early and oftern in his career he still rushed for 897 yards in 14 games and I'm not sold on Deangolo. Davis/Williams is on the same boat, this was a RB1 going into last year and in a ppr league I think he can still be a top 10 RB. He will be coming back from a lesser injury then Franky Gore and he may infact have more talent, so this late in game I felt value wise he was a steal. Maybe I should have grabbed another LB in hindsight but imo there is still a TON of talent left at LB, S, and DE. The talent at RB is virtually gone. I may be giving away my draft strategy here but I think I already did that in my early decision making...

I hear you on the RBs and as I allready said I understand it. That paying off is really just dependent on what IDPs you can scoop up in later rounds. I hope your not targeting a bunch more Justin Smiths.

 

[shake zula]

I hear you on the RBs and as I allready said I understand it. That paying off is really just dependent on what IDPs you can scoop up in later rounds. I hope your not targeting a bunch more Justin Smiths.

We shall see....

 

[Warpig]

So where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?