lord_helmet
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I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles 
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I allready said I will pick for the guy when time expires if no one else objects?That would maintain some integrity of the draft and give me a little fun at the same time.So where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
picks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
Warpig
Footballguy
PM sent.picks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Smith has averaged 44.5 tackles/year over his 6 seasons. That would place him at about DE 18 in terms of tackles last year. Its ok but it is nothing special. Like I said barely above average. He flip flops between 5 and 7 sacks every year and doesen't offer much in terms of other big plays either. He is a decent DE2 I guess with limited upside but that is not the kind of player I want to take as my 3rd IDP choice for my team.I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
PM sent.picks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
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Team Bloom so far:
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Sigmund BloomBrady, Tom NEP QB 5.02Culpepper, Daunte MIA QB (I) 12.13Johnson, Larry KCC RB 1.02Evans, Lee BUF WR 3.03Jackson, Chad NEP WR (R) 8.11Jennings, Greg GBP WR (R) 7.08Johnson, Andre HOU WR 3.02Marshall, Brandon DEN WR (R) 7.04Williams, Demetrius BAL WR (R) 12.08McMichael, Randy MIA TE 7.09Abraham, John ATL DE 13.06Umenyiora, Osi NYG DE 9.15Dansby, Karlos ARI LB 12.15Farrior, James PIT LB 12.11
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Warpig
Footballguy
Just let me know when my pick comes back up.PM sent.picks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
redman
Footballguy
Good pick of EJ Henderson, Ben. Great value there.Just let me know when my pick comes back up.PM sent.picks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
I second that, just got a fat extension, have to love his future.Good pick of EJ Henderson, Ben. Great value there.Just let me know when my pick comes back up.PM sent.picks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
lord_helmet
Footballguy
I haven't checked up on the rules, but are no points awarded for assists ? Anyway in total tackles he's #3 for this season with 81.Smith has averaged 44.5 tackles/year over his 6 seasons. That would place him at about DE 18 in terms of tackles last year. Its ok but it is nothing special. Like I said barely above average. He flip flops between 5 and 7 sacks every year and doesen't offer much in terms of other big plays either. He is a decent DE2 I guess with limited upside but that is not the kind of player I want to take as my 3rd IDP choice for my team.I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles
Warpig
Footballguy
Thanks guys. Still lots of good talent out there.I second that, just got a fat extension, have to love his future.Good pick of EJ Henderson, Ben. Great value there.Just let me know when my pick comes back up.PM sent.picks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?pick posted
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I don't know of any IDP leagues that score assists equaly to solo's. Smith did have a career year in terms of solo's and assists in 2006. Perhaps that being a contract year also had somthing to do with it?I expect his tackle numbers to fall back to the 44.5 solo 20.6 assist level which is his average over 6 seasons moving forward.I believe this league has higher rewards for big plays and is not as tackle based as some IDP scoring systems as well.I haven't checked up on the rules, but are no points awarded for assists ? Anyway in total tackles he's #3 for this season with 81.Smith has averaged 44.5 tackles/year over his 6 seasons. That would place him at about DE 18 in terms of tackles last year. Its ok but it is nothing special. Like I said barely above average. He flip flops between 5 and 7 sacks every year and doesen't offer much in terms of other big plays either. He is a decent DE2 I guess with limited upside but that is not the kind of player I want to take as my 3rd IDP choice for my team.I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles
shake zula
Footballguy
Just confirmed w/ B. Smith that it is exactly like CFA. Tackles for DE's equal 2 points each and assists count as half, 1 point per. In the last 3 years Smith has finished 10, 18, and 9th respectively in terms of DE's scoring in this format, I grabbed him as the 15th DE off the board. To me this seems like value, but I may be wrong...I haven't checked up on the rules, but are no points awarded for assists ? Anyway in total tackles he's #3 for this season with 81.Smith has averaged 44.5 tackles/year over his 6 seasons. That would place him at about DE 18 in terms of tackles last year. Its ok but it is nothing special. Like I said barely above average. He flip flops between 5 and 7 sacks every year and doesen't offer much in terms of other big plays either. He is a decent DE2 I guess with limited upside but that is not the kind of player I want to take as my 3rd IDP choice for my team.I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles
I say he is consistent because based on his past production he is good for 60+ assist/tackles, and around 6 sacks per season...As the 15th DE off the board I think this pretty respectable if not solid. Also just for the record he is my 4th IDP not 3rd 
got_nugs
Footballguy
Bia, I probably could use you to draft for me if you are so inclined. I preranked multiple players for this pick last night, but after the 1st one was taken.....the prerank removed itself. Wild. Regardless you may have found a better fit for my team rather than KJ's handcuff in Calhounpicks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
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lord_helmet
Footballguy
My point is more that reliable/consistent DLs are hard to find, and like Smith or not he is a 2 way end. Just looked it up and he finished 11th overall DE for the season, which makes him a #1, not sure he had a career year either. If (the other guyI don't know of any IDP leagues that score assists equaly to solo's. Smith did have a career year in terms of solo's and assists in 2006. Perhaps that being a contract year also had somthing to do with it?I expect his tackle numbers to fall back to the 44.5 solo 20.6 assist level which is his average over 6 seasons moving forward.I believe this league has higher rewards for big plays and is not as tackle based as some IDP scoring systems as well.I haven't checked up on the rules, but are no points awarded for assists ? Anyway in total tackles he's #3 for this season with 81.Smith has averaged 44.5 tackles/year over his 6 seasons. That would place him at about DE 18 in terms of tackles last year. Its ok but it is nothing special. Like I said barely above average. He flip flops between 5 and 7 sacks every year and doesen't offer much in terms of other big plays either. He is a decent DE2 I guess with limited upside but that is not the kind of player I want to take as my 3rd IDP choice for my team.I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles
) keeps devoloping as he has and they can somehow get decent coverage from their secondary, nice things could be ahead for Smith IMO.
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shake zula
Footballguy
This is true too. But at DE it is virtually impossible to guarantee that any specific player is going to have years with so many big FF or INT's like Trent Cole or Jason Taylor.
redman
Footballguy
I don't know of any IDP leagues that score assists equaly to solo's. Smith did have a career year in terms of solo's and assists in 2006. Perhaps that being a contract year also had somthing to do with it?I expect his tackle numbers to fall back to the 44.5 solo 20.6 assist level which is his average over 6 seasons moving forward.I haven't checked up on the rules, but are no points awarded for assists ? Anyway in total tackles he's #3 for this season with 81.Smith has averaged 44.5 tackles/year over his 6 seasons. That would place him at about DE 18 in terms of tackles last year. Its ok but it is nothing special. Like I said barely above average. He flip flops between 5 and 7 sacks every year and doesen't offer much in terms of other big plays either. He is a decent DE2 I guess with limited upside but that is not the kind of player I want to take as my 3rd IDP choice for my team.I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles
I believe this league has higher rewards for big plays and is not as tackle based as some IDP scoring systems as well.
Assists are worth 50% of solo tackles, or 2 points vs. 1 point. Of note, all other positions except for DT get lower numbers for tackles and assists, 1.5/.75. Smith is a very unsexy pick for the reasons stated but should be workmanlike as a starter and ensure that he won't be bleeding points at DE every week.
-OZ-
Footballguy
A little heavy on 2nd year WRs, but I like it.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I would like to but I will be gone for the rest of the week after tonight myself. I just happened to be around right now.Bia, I probably could use you to draft for me if you are so inclined. I preranked multiple players for this pick last night, but after the 1st one was taken.....the prerank removed itself. Wild. Regardless you may have found a better fit for my team rather than KJ's handcuff in Calhounpicks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
got_nugs
Footballguy
I won't be leaving for another 8 days, so when I could need you(if we don't finish beforehand) would be on 28FEB and beyond. Regardless, many thanks for the offer. Accepting PM's on draft strategies and ideals now!I would like to but I will be gone for the rest of the week after tonight myself. I just happened to be around right now.Bia, I probably could use you to draft for me if you are so inclined. I preranked multiple players for this pick last night, but after the 1st one was taken.....the prerank removed itself. Wild. Regardless you may have found a better fit for my team rather than KJ's handcuff in Calhounpicks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
heavy on 2nd year WRs is by design, I expect their trade value to explode as they become starters. WRs are the premium position in this format - 48 start and the waiver wire is in a constant state of "picked clean". Two of those four will become stalwart starters by 08, and honestly I expect all four to.
dirtyhalos
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update.......slowly getting some more picks in....
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Your LBs need work, Farrior is getting up there and there are rumors Dansby might move to SLB. Love your DEs tho, both are up for huge healthy years (bold prediction I know)
Biabreakable
Footballguy
You make a solid case in favor of Smith but honestly I don't see his tackles being that solid based off of just last year when I am looking at his whole career and comparing it to other players. There are some unmentionables (have not been drafted yet) I am comparing him to. He is pretty consistent though. I do agree that DLine who make consistent tackles are hard to find and he has some value because of that.The main downside and issue I have with him as a DE1 is that he has NEVER posted double digit sacks. Which many other DEs available have done and are more likely to do so again. Sacks lead to other big plays like FF as well.If I am not mistaken this league gives a higher reward to these big play categories as well so they have more importance than tackles do.It is just my opinion and maybe I have some blinders on in regards to Justin Smiths prospects but my observation and opinion has been formed from the perspective of Smith playing for a very poor team most of his career that has given him ample opportunity in terms of time of possesion and he still has not broken into the upper level of DEs and has off and on years in terms of sacks. 5 then 7 5 then 7 that shows no promise of him breaking double digits.I dont mean to say he is a bad player. I called him slightly above average. I just think there are many other prospects that I would rather take and take chances on becoming better than what he has shown capable of being.My point is more that reliable/consistent DLs are hard to find, and like Smith or not he is a 2 way end. Just looked it up and he finished 11th overall DE for the season, which makes him a #1, not sure he had a career year either. If (the other guyI don't know of any IDP leagues that score assists equaly to solo's. Smith did have a career year in terms of solo's and assists in 2006. Perhaps that being a contract year also had somthing to do with it?I expect his tackle numbers to fall back to the 44.5 solo 20.6 assist level which is his average over 6 seasons moving forward.I believe this league has higher rewards for big plays and is not as tackle based as some IDP scoring systems as well.I haven't checked up on the rules, but are no points awarded for assists ? Anyway in total tackles he's #3 for this season with 81.Smith has averaged 44.5 tackles/year over his 6 seasons. That would place him at about DE 18 in terms of tackles last year. Its ok but it is nothing special. Like I said barely above average. He flip flops between 5 and 7 sacks every year and doesen't offer much in terms of other big plays either. He is a decent DE2 I guess with limited upside but that is not the kind of player I want to take as my 3rd IDP choice for my team.I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I will still be pretty busy but I will be back in town by then if you need an alternate.I won't be leaving for another 8 days, so when I could need you(if we don't finish beforehand) would be on 28FEB and beyond. Regardless, many thanks for the offer. Accepting PM's on draft strategies and ideals now!I would like to but I will be gone for the rest of the week after tonight myself. I just happened to be around right now.Bia, I probably could use you to draft for me if you are so inclined. I preranked multiple players for this pick last night, but after the 1st one was taken.....the prerank removed itself. Wild. Regardless you may have found a better fit for my team rather than KJ's handcuff in Calhounpicks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
Dansby has always played SLB
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Not trying to bash you, just offering my opinion. And I'm beginning to realize I should have studied the scoring system more closely before opening my mouth.You make a solid case in favor of Smith but honestly I don't see his tackles being that solid based off of just last year when I am looking at his whole career and comparing it to other players. There are some unmentionables (have not been drafted yet) I am comparing him to. He is pretty consistent though. I do agree that DLine who make consistent tackles are hard to find and he has some value because of that.The main downside and issue I have with him as a DE1 is that he has NEVER posted double digit sacks. Which many other DEs available have done and are more likely to do so again. Sacks lead to other big plays like FF as well.If I am not mistaken this league gives a higher reward to these big play categories as well so they have more importance than tackles do.It is just my opinion and maybe I have some blinders on in regards to Justin Smiths prospects but my observation and opinion has been formed from the perspective of Smith playing for a very poor team most of his career that has given him ample opportunity in terms of time of possesion and he still has not broken into the upper level of DEs and has off and on years in terms of sacks. 5 then 7 5 then 7 that shows no promise of him breaking double digits.I dont mean to say he is a bad player. I called him slightly above average. I just think there are many other prospects that I would rather take and take chances on becoming better than what he has shown capable of being.My point is more that reliable/consistent DLs are hard to find, and like Smith or not he is a 2 way end. Just looked it up and he finished 11th overall DE for the season, which makes him a #1, not sure he had a career year either. If (the other guyI don't know of any IDP leagues that score assists equaly to solo's. Smith did have a career year in terms of solo's and assists in 2006. Perhaps that being a contract year also had somthing to do with it?I expect his tackle numbers to fall back to the 44.5 solo 20.6 assist level which is his average over 6 seasons moving forward.I believe this league has higher rewards for big plays and is not as tackle based as some IDP scoring systems as well.I haven't checked up on the rules, but are no points awarded for assists ? Anyway in total tackles he's #3 for this season with 81.Smith has averaged 44.5 tackles/year over his 6 seasons. That would place him at about DE 18 in terms of tackles last year. Its ok but it is nothing special. Like I said barely above average. He flip flops between 5 and 7 sacks every year and doesen't offer much in terms of other big plays either. He is a decent DE2 I guess with limited upside but that is not the kind of player I want to take as my 3rd IDP choice for my team.I like Justin Smith, he's a consistent source of tackles
got_nugs
Footballguy
If something comes up i'll let ya know, thanks!I will still be pretty busy but I will be back in town by then if you need an alternate.I won't be leaving for another 8 days, so when I could need you(if we don't finish beforehand) would be on 28FEB and beyond. Regardless, many thanks for the offer. Accepting PM's on draft strategies and ideals now!I would like to but I will be gone for the rest of the week after tonight myself. I just happened to be around right now.Bia, I probably could use you to draft for me if you are so inclined. I preranked multiple players for this pick last night, but after the 1st one was taken.....the prerank removed itself. Wild. Regardless you may have found a better fit for my team rather than KJ's handcuff in Calhounpicks just made...parrish took calhoun........pasquino toook ogunleye......you're up...pm pick when readySo where are we at? Has Parrish timed out yet? Who's picking for him? Or do we skip his pick since he timed out?
and theres a report today that the cards may consider moving him to the weak sideDansby has always played SLB
lord_helmet
Footballguy
True, actually its the other way around. He might move to WLB in which case he could prove to be a steal. Sorry for the mix upDansby has always played SLB
Rand McNally
Warpig
Footballguy
Ah...the map maker? He's the one that only makes his picks after 4pm, correct?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have not gotten to Bloom yet but I am on board with his assesment of WR being the position of need. It would be even more so if WR were allowed as a flex. His supplimental WR picks are likely to grow and gain value in the near future and will be high value trade bait in years to come. He is maximising the value of his picks with these selections because of this and I agree with the tactic.As he allready mentioned he is using a minimal IDP strategy that he intends to discuss at greater length later. This is not somthing new many owners in IDP leagues employ it. He is trusting his knowledge of IDP prospects to maximise pick value with them later in the draft.I am just touching on this right now and not going into depth. But I believe he is using a strategy I was talking about when doing Derek Tomm's team in maximising the value of each pick by targeting players that are likely to grow. This can be an effective win now strategy still and there are a few specific picks he is making to address that but for the most part he is trying to maximise his picks by selecting players that will outperform thier draft spot in 2008 or 2009 by trusting his judgement of talent and situation of players moving forward.Some might think he is sacrificing too much in 2007 while doing this and it is somewhat of a fine line one walks but the rewards in future years if a high enough percentage of his players grow it will put him in a much stronger position in years ahead than a owner could hope to amass with a more short term strategy.Of the 4 2nd year WRs he has drafted so far the one with the most question marks at this point is Demitrius Williams and who will the Ravens QB be when he takes over as a compliment to Mark Clayton. As well as what kind of offense the Ravens will be using at that time. There are signs that the Ravens may be departing from the power offense they have been using for quite some time now based off of recent player aquisitions they have made.
redman
Footballguy
comfortably numb
Footballguy
No that is Sjax2 (JakeB) which he is up at 14.02
-OZ-
Footballguy
I agree with the strategy, , I just wanted to point out that you were using it.
FWIW I play in another 16 team league where we most teams start 4 WRs and we can start 5. That means 64+ WRs start each week, and you're absolutely right. WRs are gold. After the true stud RBs and maybe the top 2-3 QBs, there aren't any players more valuable than the top 20 WR or the WR position as a whole. I sort of employed your strategy last year in a rebuild, making trades to end up with Lee Evans, Reggie Brown, Matt Jones, Braylon Edwards, and Roy Williams (then got Walker for Brown+).The only pick out of the 4 that I would change is Dem. Williams over Mike Peterson. I don't happen to see Williams' value exceeding Peterson's in the future. I know you'll find LB gold later, so perhaps Williams + late LB > Peterson + late WR?
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I had 3 picks in a row after the dem pick and really thought I could get Farrior, Peterson, and Dansby, but Jake Bachman stopped that from happening. You pretty much hit my thinking in taking Dem at the top of those 4 picks in 8 slots instead of peterson or another LB - I trust my ability to hit LB gold later, and there isnt really going to be WR gold later. Williams was the last young WR left that has (imo) already displayed the tools necessary to be a starter in the NFL, and a big play WR taboot. His deep ball tracking skills are effortless and he's one of those "deceptively fast" guys. I honestly don't see any other WRs left that I am SURE of - I see some that are nice gambles, but none that presented the certainty that Demetrius does, so thats why he was my top priority in that run of picks. If C-pep returns to starting (doesnt even have to be good, just a starter) then jake did me a favor, because when Peterson went I felt free to take a complete gamble on offense instead of taking 3 LB starters in a row. But yes, if things had gone according to plan, I would have ended up with peterson instead of Cpep. I really agonized on Farrior vs. Peterson and in the end judged that Peterson had a better chance of falling than Farrior because he was buried on the lists from last year's point totals.I agree with the strategy, , I just wanted to point out that you were using it.FWIW I play in another 16 team league where we most teams start 4 WRs and we can start 5. That means 64+ WRs start each week, and you're absolutely right. WRs are gold. After the true stud RBs and maybe the top 2-3 QBs, there aren't any players more valuable than the top 20 WR or the WR position as a whole. I sort of employed your strategy last year in a rebuild, making trades to end up with Lee Evans, Reggie Brown, Matt Jones, Braylon Edwards, and Roy Williams (then got Walker for Brown+).
The only pick out of the 4 that I would change is Dem. Williams over Mike Peterson. I don't happen to see Williams' value exceeding Peterson's in the future. I know you'll find LB gold later, so perhaps Williams + late LB > Peterson + late WR?
Beaumont
Footballguy
Pure talent acquisition. A good young WR will generate multiple LB starters in soon enough time ...In a 16 teamer adequate (but typically not top flight) LBs are, believe it or not, often found on the waiver wire, due to injuries, unforeseen scheme changes, whatever. Not so much with WR.If you follow Bloom closely you could have predicted each and every one of those WR picks months ago ...
All you poor schmucks, having to start your work day before noon.....LOL.
Also, if I were Rand McNally, I wouldn't have time for FFL....I'd be too busy traveling the world with my my peeps and my 77 formerly-virgin concubines, LOL. Rand McNally ain't got anything on our mapping firm other than size. 
13.13 - LB Derrick O. Johnson, Chiefs. In continuing with a bit of a "youth movement" at IDP, I decided to draft this 24-year old playmaker to help anchor my defense for years to come. His stats were artificially low in 2006 due to a few missed games due to injury, but I believe he is probably one of the most consistent and best playmakers on the Chiefs D, along with Allen and Hali. Also debated three other players here, but the more I was looking at my options, the more I settled upon Johnson being the best "fit" with my team.
Warpig
Footballguy
REEEAAAACCHHH!Sure the guy had skills coming out of college, but until KC gets some stud DT's he will never live up to his potential. Granted, he was on my radar...but wayyyy down the list.*eta* This could be a better pick should the Chiefs upgrade the DT spot in FA or via the draft (possible trade?).
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well actualy as the Chiefs further transition to the Tampa 2 defense Derrick O. Johnson could end up being the primary LB playmaker for this defense which was shown to be very scheme friendly for not as talented players like Cato June..
Terry,
A bit of a reach, no doubt, if you are drafting on 2006 stats (like you are). However, Johnson is chalk-full of upside, and is only 24. He missed three games to injury, and has two more where he was either leaving the game or just coming back from said injury as well. Over 1/4 the season essentially gone, yet he still put up 86 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 FF and 2 FR. He also was trending upward at the end of the season too.....with nearly half of all his tackles (39) coming over the past five weeks (including the Indy playoff game).
If you REALLY want to talk "reaches" though, how about Eli Manning and Brett Favre at QB, and only Reggie Williams at WR through at least the 14.12 (220 OA)? Your LB corps and safeties are phat! However, I'm not sure who you are planning to start at WR this year.....unless you are holding out on the hope of Kennison and Webb.
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A bit of a reach, no doubt, if you are drafting on 2006 stats (like you are). However, Johnson is chalk-full of upside, and is only 24. He missed three games to injury, and has two more where he was either leaving the game or just coming back from said injury as well. Over 1/4 the season essentially gone, yet he still put up 86 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 FF and 2 FR. He also was trending upward at the end of the season too.....with nearly half of all his tackles (39) coming over the past five weeks (including the Indy playoff game).
If you REALLY want to talk "reaches" though, how about Eli Manning and Brett Favre at QB, and only Reggie Williams at WR through at least the 14.12 (220 OA)? Your LB corps and safeties are phat! However, I'm not sure who you are planning to start at WR this year.....unless you are holding out on the hope of Kennison and Webb.
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14.04 - WR Michael Clayton, Bucs. I finally get a chance to dip back into the WR pool with Clayton. He has been a disappointment (a BIG disappointment!) over the past two seasons. However, he's only 24.....and he has had a train-wreck to work with at QB for the past season or so. I look at all the other WR options still out there, and his combination of age and opportunity (to start) makes him the clear best-choice for me at the position. I was also looking D-Line and LB here, but Clayton's name was just screaming at me as a guy to add to my roster at this stage of the draft. I need better WR depth, and I didn't think he should still be there by the time I am on the clock again at 15.04.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Maybe you can trade him Furrey?Terry,A bit of a reach, no doubt, if you are drafting on 2006 stats (like you are). However, Johnson is chalk-full of upside, and is only 24. He missed three games to injury, and has two more where he was either leaving the game or just coming back from said injury as well. Over 1/4 the season essentially gone, yet he still put up 86 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 FF and 2 FR. He also was trending upward at the end of the season too.....with nearly half of all his tackles (39) coming over the past five weeks (including the Indy playoff game).If you REALLY want to talk "reaches" though, how about Eli Manning and Brett Favre at QB, and only Reggie Williams at WR through at least the 14.12 (220 OA)? Your LB corps and safeties are phat! However, I'm not sure who you are planning to start at WR this year.....unless you are holding out on the hope of Kennison and Webb.
shake zula
Footballguy
ouchMaybe you can trade him Furrey?Terry,A bit of a reach, no doubt, if you are drafting on 2006 stats (like you are). However, Johnson is chalk-full of upside, and is only 24. He missed three games to injury, and has two more where he was either leaving the game or just coming back from said injury as well. Over 1/4 the season essentially gone, yet he still put up 86 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 FF and 2 FR. He also was trending upward at the end of the season too.....with nearly half of all his tackles (39) coming over the past five weeks (including the Indy playoff game).If you REALLY want to talk "reaches" though, how about Eli Manning and Brett Favre at QB, and only Reggie Williams at WR through at least the 14.12 (220 OA)? Your LB corps and safeties are phat! However, I'm not sure who you are planning to start at WR this year.....unless you are holding out on the hope of Kennison and Webb.
LOL.Maybe you can trade him Furrey?
I like Furrey. Obviously more than most around here. I just don't see him being a one-hit wonder (he's got at least another 2-3 top 40 chart-toppers left in him, LOL)....not with him being a favorite pet-project of Martz and a favorite target of Kitna. The guy was targeted ten or more times in seven of the Lions 17 games, had 98 catches, nearly 1,100 yards and 6 TDs. He also had four 100 yard games (three in the last five weeks of the season). For how much you guys wonder why I drafted him as my WR3BC, I guess I wonder an equal amount why you are so down on him. Even if he moves to the slot, he will STILL be Kitna's favorite check-down target and generate some nice YAC. I look at him as a healthier equivalent to Brandon Stokley, only without "Dallas Clark" or "Starvin' Marvin" to command a disproportionally large number of targets. Roy Williams will always draw their opponents best CB and/or over-under coverage with a safety. Meanwhile, Furrey will continue to rack-up the receptions and yardage underneath.As for trading Terry some WR help, it ain't happening. The worse his WR corps is, the better my chance of securing a division title. Brian's team is young, Terry's got question marks at QB/WR and AJ's depth is going to be severely lacking. I'll leave Terry to start me and Brian at WR2 and WR3....thank you very much! 
just realized that nick, not jake, sniped mike peterson from me. sorry for slandering jake, nick is the one that screwed me.
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Here are some thoughts (no IDP commentary because I don't know squat about IDP):
The Good
1.15 Larry Fitzgerald - To get the #1 dynasty WR with the 15th overall pick in a PPR league has to be considered a bit of a coup.
2.05 Antonio Gates - One of the best offensive players in the NFL. I love the value in the mid 2nd of a league that awards 2 PPR for TEs.
3.03 Lee Evans - I like this pick over Harrison, Walker, and Owens. I agree completely.
7.03 Thomas Jones - Insane value this late. He's younger than Edgerrin James and Shaun Alexander, and he has less tread off the tires.
7.06 Santonio Holmes - I really like the value of Holmes here considering that guys like Furrey, M. Jones, and Marshall were drafted before him. He was an early draft pick and he performed very well as a rookie. I doubt he'll be a star, but he should become a solid player and a major contributor in a deep league like this.
8.13 LaMont Jordan - I'm not a big Jordan fan, but he's only one year removed from a monster season. This late in the draft, I love the risk vs. reward.
8.15 Alex Smith - Quietly made major strides last year. Probably never a great option, but a solid selection in the late 8th round.
9.01 LenDale White - Good gamble this late.
9.10 Ahman Green - Might not have much left in the tank, but he played well last year. He went eight rounds later than Shaun Alexander.
13.09 Brian Calhoun - Undersized and invisible as a rookie, but he fits the mold of an elite PPR RB. In the 13th round, why not?
14.04 Michal Clayton - Worth a shot this late. He used to be good. If he's healthy, then I have to believe he's a threat to re-emerge at some point in the future (though maybe not in Tampa).
The Bad
1.09 Shaun Alexander - Not a truly great PPR option and probably only has 1-2 years left. Drafting him this high places too much emphasis on the short-term, IMO. Just knowing that you're going to have to replace your best player in two years limits your flexibility.
1.11 Laurence Maroney - I actually like his prospects, but he hasn't done nearly enough to warrant this pick. Speculative choices are always risky in dynasty leagues. I don't think you have to take that risk this early in this kind of league. I pretty much feel the same way about the Drew and Addai picks, although I think they're slightly more justified.
1.13 Ronnie Brown - Reach. Brown has always been an overrated talent and the Dolphins are a team in disarray. Why make this pick with Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, Chad Johnson, and Steve Smith on the board?
2.06 Chester Taylor - Taylor is a mediocre talent who could be replaced in the near future. 2.06 is far too early to take him considering that guys like Thomas Jones and Ahman Green were available much later.
3.12 Vernon Davis - This pick is pure speculation. Davis was a highly-regarded prospect entering the NFL, but passing on Shockey, Crumpler, and Witten for him is a stretch.
4.01 Cedric Benson - Just don't see the point of this pick. He's not a starter, he's not a very good receiver, and he hasn't played particularly well so far.
5.12 Deion Branch - Five years in the NFL. Zero 1,000 yard seasons. Has a guy ever been hyped more for producing less? I'd much rather take a chance on someone like Holmes or Berrian.
6.09 Jason Campbell - Four picks after Hasselbeck? He has no business going this high.
The Ugly
6.11 Mike Furrey - Screams fluke year. Not the kind of guy you want to bank on in a dynasty.
Just one man's opinion. Nothing personal.
The Good
1.15 Larry Fitzgerald - To get the #1 dynasty WR with the 15th overall pick in a PPR league has to be considered a bit of a coup.
2.05 Antonio Gates - One of the best offensive players in the NFL. I love the value in the mid 2nd of a league that awards 2 PPR for TEs.
3.03 Lee Evans - I like this pick over Harrison, Walker, and Owens. I agree completely.
7.03 Thomas Jones - Insane value this late. He's younger than Edgerrin James and Shaun Alexander, and he has less tread off the tires.
7.06 Santonio Holmes - I really like the value of Holmes here considering that guys like Furrey, M. Jones, and Marshall were drafted before him. He was an early draft pick and he performed very well as a rookie. I doubt he'll be a star, but he should become a solid player and a major contributor in a deep league like this.
8.13 LaMont Jordan - I'm not a big Jordan fan, but he's only one year removed from a monster season. This late in the draft, I love the risk vs. reward.
8.15 Alex Smith - Quietly made major strides last year. Probably never a great option, but a solid selection in the late 8th round.
9.01 LenDale White - Good gamble this late.
9.10 Ahman Green - Might not have much left in the tank, but he played well last year. He went eight rounds later than Shaun Alexander.
13.09 Brian Calhoun - Undersized and invisible as a rookie, but he fits the mold of an elite PPR RB. In the 13th round, why not?
14.04 Michal Clayton - Worth a shot this late. He used to be good. If he's healthy, then I have to believe he's a threat to re-emerge at some point in the future (though maybe not in Tampa).
The Bad
1.09 Shaun Alexander - Not a truly great PPR option and probably only has 1-2 years left. Drafting him this high places too much emphasis on the short-term, IMO. Just knowing that you're going to have to replace your best player in two years limits your flexibility.
1.11 Laurence Maroney - I actually like his prospects, but he hasn't done nearly enough to warrant this pick. Speculative choices are always risky in dynasty leagues. I don't think you have to take that risk this early in this kind of league. I pretty much feel the same way about the Drew and Addai picks, although I think they're slightly more justified.
1.13 Ronnie Brown - Reach. Brown has always been an overrated talent and the Dolphins are a team in disarray. Why make this pick with Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, Chad Johnson, and Steve Smith on the board?
2.06 Chester Taylor - Taylor is a mediocre talent who could be replaced in the near future. 2.06 is far too early to take him considering that guys like Thomas Jones and Ahman Green were available much later.
3.12 Vernon Davis - This pick is pure speculation. Davis was a highly-regarded prospect entering the NFL, but passing on Shockey, Crumpler, and Witten for him is a stretch.
4.01 Cedric Benson - Just don't see the point of this pick. He's not a starter, he's not a very good receiver, and he hasn't played particularly well so far.
5.12 Deion Branch - Five years in the NFL. Zero 1,000 yard seasons. Has a guy ever been hyped more for producing less? I'd much rather take a chance on someone like Holmes or Berrian.
6.09 Jason Campbell - Four picks after Hasselbeck? He has no business going this high.
The Ugly
6.11 Mike Furrey - Screams fluke year. Not the kind of guy you want to bank on in a dynasty.
Just one man's opinion. Nothing personal.
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