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Jon Kitna = SOD (#6 QB in this scoring system last year, drafted at pick #218)
my roster
QB: Jon Kitna, JP Losman
RB: Clinton Portis, DeAngelo Williams, Fred Taylor
WR: TJ Houshmandzadeh, Jerrico Cotchery, Kevin Curtis, Marty Booker
TE: Jason Witten
DE: Jared Allen
LB: Keith Bulluck, Will Witherspoon, Keith Brooking
S: Sean Taylor
my roster
QB: Jon Kitna, JP Losman
RB: Clinton Portis, DeAngelo Williams, Fred Taylor
WR: TJ Houshmandzadeh, Jerrico Cotchery, Kevin Curtis, Marty Booker
TE: Jason Witten
DE: Jared Allen
LB: Keith Bulluck, Will Witherspoon, Keith Brooking
S: Sean Taylor
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No way we should have let you get Kitna - isomeone else taking Kitna would have punished you more for waiting on QB. Now you got a starting quality QB in the 200s.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Very nice team here. The only minor part I wouldn't like is Booker as my #4 and Cotchery as my #2. Certainly not a major weakness by any stretch.Your IDPs should work out nicely from here, making this the team to beat for this year and the near future.Kitna and Losman are a nice combo.
once I missed out on Hasselbeck, my plan was to grab a younger QB with potential (Losman) and hope to land Kitna or Favre late as a short-term starter. Once Favre went, I started trying to trade up for Kitna but nobody would bite on my offers. Pretty psyched that I was able to land him this late...he threw for 4200 yards in his first year under Martz. Add in a FA WR like Kevin Curtis, get him to cut down on his turnovers a little, and he might even improve on last year's numbers.also, whereas I think Favre only has one more year left, there is a reasonable chance that Kitna could be the Lions starter for 2 more years.
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redman
Footballguy
Update:
I through trade added the 15.02, to go with the two picks at the turn, giving me three picks in a row:
14.16(224) Chris Brown- the RB bargain bin is pretty well picked over, but I have one advantage that most other guys don't regarding Brown: I have LenDale White. I know Brown's a FA, but if he resigns with Tennessee, I'm virtually assured of having the starting RB if Henry goes down. Neither guy is expected to produce for me, and both are young so it's a risk I can afford. Also, Brown has shown flashes of talent at times that IMHO warrant a look from another team seeking a potential starting RB in FA. I feel like I got good value here.
15.01(225) Antwaan Randle El- It's fun to draft guys from "your team", and as a 'Skins fan I really like ARE. He's essentially Mini-Moss (Santana), and like Moss he can stretch the field and turn small gains into large ones. I think he has yet to show his full receiving talents. With Brandon Lloyd on the outs with the coaching staff due to his attitude and with Campbell starting and looking good, ARE may turn into a good second WR in Washington. That, plus his return abilities and involvement in trick plays could make him a steal here.
15.02(226) Hank Baskett- This is just a fun pick. Baskett is a guy who is a raw but undeniable talent who has shown flashes of big play ability. I'm hoping that he showed enough last year for the team to let Stallworth go in FA and use Baskett opposite of Reggie Brown in that pass happy offense. This is essentially a pick of a young WR prospect in the same spirit as Bloom's recent picks.
My roster now is:
QB - Bulger
RB - Tomlinson, L. White, C. Brown
WR - Colston, Burress, Henry, Randle El, Baskett
TE - Scheffler, Graham
K -
DT -
DE - Peppers, Suggs
LB - Pierce, Hayes, Gaither
CB -
S - A. Wilson
I through trade added the 15.02, to go with the two picks at the turn, giving me three picks in a row:
14.16(224) Chris Brown- the RB bargain bin is pretty well picked over, but I have one advantage that most other guys don't regarding Brown: I have LenDale White. I know Brown's a FA, but if he resigns with Tennessee, I'm virtually assured of having the starting RB if Henry goes down. Neither guy is expected to produce for me, and both are young so it's a risk I can afford. Also, Brown has shown flashes of talent at times that IMHO warrant a look from another team seeking a potential starting RB in FA. I feel like I got good value here.
15.01(225) Antwaan Randle El- It's fun to draft guys from "your team", and as a 'Skins fan I really like ARE. He's essentially Mini-Moss (Santana), and like Moss he can stretch the field and turn small gains into large ones. I think he has yet to show his full receiving talents. With Brandon Lloyd on the outs with the coaching staff due to his attitude and with Campbell starting and looking good, ARE may turn into a good second WR in Washington. That, plus his return abilities and involvement in trick plays could make him a steal here.
15.02(226) Hank Baskett- This is just a fun pick. Baskett is a guy who is a raw but undeniable talent who has shown flashes of big play ability. I'm hoping that he showed enough last year for the team to let Stallworth go in FA and use Baskett opposite of Reggie Brown in that pass happy offense. This is essentially a pick of a young WR prospect in the same spirit as Bloom's recent picks.
My roster now is:
QB - Bulger
RB - Tomlinson, L. White, C. Brown
WR - Colston, Burress, Henry, Randle El, Baskett
TE - Scheffler, Graham
K -
DT -
DE - Peppers, Suggs
LB - Pierce, Hayes, Gaither
CB -
S - A. Wilson
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15.10 - DT (DE?) Luis Castillo, Chargers. I LOVE this guy's motor and energy....I'm just praying that MFL keeps him as a DT for as long as is absolutely possible. He might be making the move to DE as early as 2007, which would hurt his value a bit. However, even as a DE, he's only 24 and should have a highly productive NFL career. I'd been looking at him for the past 2-3 picks, and finally decided to pull the trigger. VERY happy to land him....I'm just not sure if I still might have waited 12-18 picks and still got him.
He might be making the move to DE as early as 2007, which would hurt his value a bit. However, even as a DE, he's only 24 and should have a highly productive NFL career. I'd been looking at him for the past 2-3 picks, and finally decided to pull the trigger. VERY happy to land him....I'm just not sure if I still might have waited 12-18 picks and still got him.
I'm fully on the #2 WR bandwagon now. I used to overvalue guys who were the #1 WR on their team since they get more targets, but this year we saw lots and lots of #2s emerge as very productive players. Housh and Cotchery both had breakout seasons, I'm banking on Curtis taking over as #2 for Furrey in Detroit who was a stud, and I think Booker can outplay Chris Chambers like he did this year. Colston was the #2 in New Orleans, Berrian in Chicago, Jennings looked great early on for Green Bay, Clayton was the #2 Baltimore, etc. Just seems to me like that is where all the value is at the WR position, but maybe 2006 was a fluke.If we could start a WR in the flex spot, I would have put more focus on the position but I think I'll be able to find 3 starters out of this bunch most weeks and I still will add to the group later on in the draft and likely with a promising rookie or two. I just have to hope that Portis/DeAngelo/Fred Taylor can give me 2 good RB options every week.
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redman
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14th round's in the bag; 15th soon to follow as we crank up the pace (until Will Grant slowed it down 
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14.01 Will Grant Carter, Andre WAS DE 12:00:55 p.m. 14.02 Jake Bachman Howard, Thomas OAK LB 12:00:55 p.m. 14.03 Carlos Rodrigues Johnson, Bryant ARI WR 12:16:07 p.m. 14.04 Derek Tonn Clayton, Michael TBB WR 12:21:16 p.m. 14.05 Brian Smith Clemens, Kellen NYJ QB 12:27:01 p.m. 14.06 Nick Chadick Moss, Sinorice NYG WR 2:34:08 p.m. 14.07 AJ Moura Brackett, Gary IND LB 2:43:20 p.m. 14.08 Jake Parrish Klopfenstein, Joe STL TE 2:43:20 p.m. 14.09 Brian Smith Whitner, Donte BUF S 3:26:42 p.m. 14.10 Aaron Rudnicki Kitna, Jon DET QB 3:26:42 p.m. 14.11 Sigmund Bloom Edwards, Donnie SDC LB 3:29:12 p.m. 14.12 Terry Winfree Dunn, Warrick ATL RB 4:20:08 p.m. 14.13 AJ Moura Trotter, Jeremiah PHI LB 4:20:08 p.m. 14.14 Marc Faletti Little, Leonard STL DE 4:20:08 p.m. 14.15 Terry Winfree Samuel, Asante NEP CB 4:27:08 p.m. 14.16 Chris Overton Brown, Chris TEN RB 4:27:08 p.m.
lions327
Footballguy
I watched all 16 Lions games. Kitna did make some mistakes, but most were late when the Lions were losing and everyone knew he would throw. That, plus a terrible pass protecting line and no running game later in the season made him look worse than he was. I think he could have a huge season if the Lions address the offensive line. I believe (not positive) that he was at or near #1 in sacks, hurries and knock downs. He never had time to throw. And once they shut Roy down, he didn't have many options. If they add Curtis and pass protect better, he will have a big year. I loved this pick.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Yea great pick, I kept procrastinating taking him...Oh well
got_nugs
Footballguy
I would like you to further elaborate on the Jason Campbell pick. In his first 7 games as a starter he put up numbers that if averaged out over a full season would compare to those of Philip Rivers and Tom Brady and if the same averages were applied JC would meet/exceed the numbers of Vince Young/Big Ben/Matt Hasselbeck. His numbers were against the 3rd, 4th, 8th, 9th, 19th, 28th, and 29th defenses in yards/game against the pass. He is 6 years younger than MH and although Betts played well at the end of the year in the fill in role, the Redskins offense was missing Clinton Portis. The 'skins have a full compliment of weapons for JC and he should continue to improve just as the other young QB's taken before/after him. Maybe Jason Campbell was taken just where he should have been and Hasselbeck had 'no business' going so low. Regardless, i'd like your reasoning for the statement, maybe i'm confused about something and Mark Brunell really IS the QB of the future in Washington.Here are some thoughts (no IDP commentary because I don't know squat about IDP):
The Good
1.15 Larry Fitzgerald - To get the #1 dynasty WR with the 15th overall pick in a PPR league has to be considered a bit of a coup.
2.05 Antonio Gates - One of the best offensive players in the NFL. I love the value in the mid 2nd of a league that awards 2 PPR for TEs.
3.03 Lee Evans - I like this pick over Harrison, Walker, and Owens. I agree completely.
7.03 Thomas Jones - Insane value this late. He's younger than Edgerrin James and Shaun Alexander, and he has less tread off the tires.
7.06 Santonio Holmes - I really like the value of Holmes here considering that guys like Furrey, M. Jones, and Marshall were drafted before him. He was an early draft pick and he performed very well as a rookie. I doubt he'll be a star, but he should become a solid player and a major contributor in a deep league like this.
8.13 LaMont Jordan - I'm not a big Jordan fan, but he's only one year removed from a monster season. This late in the draft, I love the risk vs. reward.
8.15 Alex Smith - Quietly made major strides last year. Probably never a great option, but a solid selection in the late 8th round.
9.01 LenDale White - Good gamble this late.
9.10 Ahman Green - Might not have much left in the tank, but he played well last year. He went eight rounds later than Shaun Alexander.
13.09 Brian Calhoun - Undersized and invisible as a rookie, but he fits the mold of an elite PPR RB. In the 13th round, why not?
14.04 Michal Clayton - Worth a shot this late. He used to be good. If he's healthy, then I have to believe he's a threat to re-emerge at some point in the future (though maybe not in Tampa).
The Bad
1.09 Shaun Alexander - Not a truly great PPR option and probably only has 1-2 years left. Drafting him this high places too much emphasis on the short-term, IMO. Just knowing that you're going to have to replace your best player in two years limits your flexibility.
1.11 Laurence Maroney - I actually like his prospects, but he hasn't done nearly enough to warrant this pick. Speculative choices are always risky in dynasty leagues. I don't think you have to take that risk this early in this kind of league. I pretty much feel the same way about the Drew and Addai picks, although I think they're slightly more justified.
1.13 Ronnie Brown - Reach. Brown has always been an overrated talent and the Dolphins are a team in disarray. Why make this pick with Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Gates, Chad Johnson, and Steve Smith on the board?
2.06 Chester Taylor - Taylor is a mediocre talent who could be replaced in the near future. 2.06 is far too early to take him considering that guys like Thomas Jones and Ahman Green were available much later.
3.12 Vernon Davis - This pick is pure speculation. Davis was a highly-regarded prospect entering the NFL, but passing on Shockey, Crumpler, and Witten for him is a stretch.
4.01 Cedric Benson - Just don't see the point of this pick. He's not a starter, he's not a very good receiver, and he hasn't played particularly well so far.
5.12 Deion Branch - Five years in the NFL. Zero 1,000 yard seasons. Has a guy ever been hyped more for producing less? I'd much rather take a chance on someone like Holmes or Berrian.
6.09 Jason Campbell - Four picks after Hasselbeck? He has no business going this high.
The Ugly
6.11 Mike Furrey - Screams fluke year. Not the kind of guy you want to bank on in a dynasty.
Unfortunately I cannot come at ya with my other pick in the bad(Alexander). 1.09 is tough to pass up a potential top 6 RB, even if it's only for a year or two. Starting only 1 RB makes losing Alexander 'doable' in a few years if I can draft for it in the rookie rounds.
Calhoun was a handcuff for Kevin Jones that was always in the plans...and I like him as a RB regardless of who he's handcuffed to.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Just piling on here that Kitna was a great pick this late in the draft and went to a team with a great need as well.
Kitna has great intangibles and is a terrific leader. Even when he was struggling the coaching staff fully supported him saying that most of the problems on offense were not his fault. That is kind of rare when the QB normaly takes much of the blame/praise for the teams offense.
I think Kitna is scrappy enough to hang in there as the starter for a couple more years as well. Possibly even 3 depending on what the Lions do in FA draft. But as I said above the coaching staff is commited to him which will allow the Lions to address thier more pressing needs on OLine and the defense.
Now if only Millen will follow the program things could be looking up in Detroit moving forward.
Kitna has great intangibles and is a terrific leader. Even when he was struggling the coaching staff fully supported him saying that most of the problems on offense were not his fault. That is kind of rare when the QB normaly takes much of the blame/praise for the teams offense.
I think Kitna is scrappy enough to hang in there as the starter for a couple more years as well. Possibly even 3 depending on what the Lions do in FA draft. But as I said above the coaching staff is commited to him which will allow the Lions to address thier more pressing needs on OLine and the defense.
Now if only Millen will follow the program things could be looking up in Detroit moving forward.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Now all Millen needs to do is take Quinn.
EBF
Footballguy
Campbell had a decent first year as a starter, but that doesn't mean he's destined for stardom. Nothing about his numbers truly stands out. He's just another guy with potential. It's possible that he'll emerge and become a big time player, but I think it was a suspect pick in the context of your league, where guys like Favre, Kitna, A. Smith, Leftwich, Culpepper, and Schaub were all had at least 2 rounds later.QB is the one position where you can usually wait on your starter. With the exception of a select group that includes McNabb, Palmer, Manning, Brady, Hasselbeck, Bulger, and maybe Roethlisberger, there are very few guys with job security and a strong track record of production. Why reach for a question mark when you can wait four rounds and get a player of very comparable value? It's always possible that Campbell will break out and have a monster year in 2007, but right now I don't see anything special about him that would cause me to value him higher than a number of the passers who were drafted far later.
Mediocrity
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
I'm a 'Skins fan so you can take this as you will, but I think Campbell figures to be good, and maybe very good. He's very composed in the pocket, has excellent athleticism, a huge arm, an accurate (and beautiful) deep pass, and is tough. I'm very excited to have him on my team.
More specifically, here are the handful of things that really impressed me or stood out about Campbell during his play this year:
1) He throws one of the most beautiful deep posts in the league already. He lays it out with the right kind of arc and allows his fast WR's to run under it and catch it. It's on time and accurate. Santana Moss in particular figures to benefit a lot from this given his skill tracking the ball in the air.
2) He's very good at checking down to receivers running short to intermediate crossing patterns and leading them with touch so that they can catch it in stride and keep running. Cooley in particular thrived because of this skill.
3) His pocket presence and ability to buy time in the red zone is very good. About four of his TD's this year came on plays in which the pocket broke down due to pressure and he rolled out and found secondary or tertiary receivers in the end zone after passing accurately on the run.
4) I don't see stupid mistakes from him. He seems calm and in command, and I don't see the happy feet that imply panic or nervousness like I saw from Ramsey. Campbell seems to see the field, calmly read it, and make good decisions as to where to put the ball.
I personally love the pick. Maybe I'm not objective, but I think that Campbell could well be rated with Carson Palmer, especially in Saunders' offense. Time will tell.
More specifically, here are the handful of things that really impressed me or stood out about Campbell during his play this year:
1) He throws one of the most beautiful deep posts in the league already. He lays it out with the right kind of arc and allows his fast WR's to run under it and catch it. It's on time and accurate. Santana Moss in particular figures to benefit a lot from this given his skill tracking the ball in the air.
2) He's very good at checking down to receivers running short to intermediate crossing patterns and leading them with touch so that they can catch it in stride and keep running. Cooley in particular thrived because of this skill.
3) His pocket presence and ability to buy time in the red zone is very good. About four of his TD's this year came on plays in which the pocket broke down due to pressure and he rolled out and found secondary or tertiary receivers in the end zone after passing accurately on the run.
4) I don't see stupid mistakes from him. He seems calm and in command, and I don't see the happy feet that imply panic or nervousness like I saw from Ramsey. Campbell seems to see the field, calmly read it, and make good decisions as to where to put the ball.
I personally love the pick. Maybe I'm not objective, but I think that Campbell could well be rated with Carson Palmer, especially in Saunders' offense. Time will tell.
EBF
Footballguy
I wouldn't call that a good pick either. Personally, I wouldn't take Cutler over a guy like Roethlisberger or Hasselbeck. I also probably wouldn't take Leinart over either of those two. People tend to be overly enamored of the "next big thing." The reality is that VERY few QBs go on to join the McNabb/Manning/Palmer ranks. More often than not, you get something between David Carr and Eli Manning.
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EBF
Footballguy
Not my idea of great picks. Could they work out? Sure, but why take the risk so high when you don't have to? QB is a position where I think you either need to get an elite guy (Brady, McNabb, Palmer, Manning, etc.) or wait until the later rounds and find some table scraps. What doesn't make any sense to me is using an early pick on a guy who is essentially pure speculation. Even if Leinart and Cutler pan out, their trade value won't be much higher than the established players taken in the same draft range. Low upside and high risk = not a great pick.
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I had no problem with the Campbell pick...in terms of average points/game in this scoring system, he was practically even with Rivers, Roethlisberger, Cutler, Favre, Young and Hasselbeck. It's a pretty small sample size but I think he's in a great situation (had time to learn, great offensive coaching staff, lots of talented weapons to use). By that point, 15 QBs were off the board and he was one of the last guys left who looked like he had a promising future and a strong hold on the starting job. It might have been a bit early, but Hasselbeck went later than he should have so that's not a great comparison to use.
QBs in this league seemed to break down into these tiers:
I - Peyton
II - Palmer, Young, Brees, McNabb
III - Leinart, Bulger, Vick, Brady, Romo, Cutler, Rivers
IV - Roethlisberger, Eli, Hasselbeck, Campbell
V - Losman, A.Smith, Leftwich
VI - Schaub, T.Jackson, Simms, Culpepper, Favre, Clemens, Kitna, Pennington
QBs in this league seemed to break down into these tiers:
I - Peyton
II - Palmer, Young, Brees, McNabb
III - Leinart, Bulger, Vick, Brady, Romo, Cutler, Rivers
IV - Roethlisberger, Eli, Hasselbeck, Campbell
V - Losman, A.Smith, Leftwich
VI - Schaub, T.Jackson, Simms, Culpepper, Favre, Clemens, Kitna, Pennington
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
hmmmmm I'm not really tracking with why Campbell was a reach.
He was the 16th QB taken. That's not bad really considering what he offers. He is a nice mixture of youth and talent who has had some time to comfortably learn from the sidelines until he was ready to play. I have a lot of respect for Gibbs. He got what he could out of Brunell while he was carefully developing Campbell to take over. Campbell was a gifted but raw QB when he came into the league. He needed the time to develop. But that time is now.
So what you have is a player with very high upside based on his excellent physical abilities paired with solid coaching that has allowed him to mature while not under pressure.
I think this guys ready to be the man now.
In terms of the draft he went at the end of a pretty long QB run. The only young QB I liked that was drafted later than him was Alex Smith.
The only disagreement I might have with Parrish taking Campbell there is that he allready had Rivers. So he really didn't need Campbell unless he doesen't have faith in Rivers. He could have drafted a player from a different position instead such as a IDP or WR.
But what I see Parrish doing by taking Campbell is that he tries to generate some trade value by squeezing an owner out of getting a young promising QB. While at the same time he gets some depth and insurance for Rivers.
I don't think the squeeze worked however and Rude and Will Grant didn't blink. Rude waits until round 8 and goes with Losman. I really don't like Losman but whatever. Once Rude moves on him then Grant takes Alex Smith and backs him up with Lefty. Rude gets Kitna much later and neither of these guys got squeezed at all imo. But I can kind of see why Parrish did it.
Personaly I think Grant got a gift that Alex Smith was still there for him. A nice prize for having the balls to blink last on the QB position. I don't really follow why Rude passed on Smith for Losman. If I were to be the last guy to take a QB out of 16 owners (and some taking more than one before I do) the guy I would be scared of ending up with is Losman.
Campbell has an added bonus for Parrish in that he pairs up with Cooley for him. If Campbell could have been a known lock I think the best move would have been not taking Rivers and drafting someone else instead and then getting Campbell right where he did.
He was the 16th QB taken. That's not bad really considering what he offers. He is a nice mixture of youth and talent who has had some time to comfortably learn from the sidelines until he was ready to play. I have a lot of respect for Gibbs. He got what he could out of Brunell while he was carefully developing Campbell to take over. Campbell was a gifted but raw QB when he came into the league. He needed the time to develop. But that time is now.
So what you have is a player with very high upside based on his excellent physical abilities paired with solid coaching that has allowed him to mature while not under pressure.
I think this guys ready to be the man now.
In terms of the draft he went at the end of a pretty long QB run. The only young QB I liked that was drafted later than him was Alex Smith.
The only disagreement I might have with Parrish taking Campbell there is that he allready had Rivers. So he really didn't need Campbell unless he doesen't have faith in Rivers. He could have drafted a player from a different position instead such as a IDP or WR.
But what I see Parrish doing by taking Campbell is that he tries to generate some trade value by squeezing an owner out of getting a young promising QB. While at the same time he gets some depth and insurance for Rivers.
I don't think the squeeze worked however and Rude and Will Grant didn't blink. Rude waits until round 8 and goes with Losman. I really don't like Losman but whatever. Once Rude moves on him then Grant takes Alex Smith and backs him up with Lefty. Rude gets Kitna much later and neither of these guys got squeezed at all imo. But I can kind of see why Parrish did it.
Personaly I think Grant got a gift that Alex Smith was still there for him. A nice prize for having the balls to blink last on the QB position. I don't really follow why Rude passed on Smith for Losman. If I were to be the last guy to take a QB out of 16 owners (and some taking more than one before I do) the guy I would be scared of ending up with is Losman.
Campbell has an added bonus for Parrish in that he pairs up with Cooley for him. If Campbell could have been a known lock I think the best move would have been not taking Rivers and drafting someone else instead and then getting Campbell right where he did.
got_nugs
Footballguy
Basically right on what I was hoping to do, and all is still not lost. If I had any idea that everyone would pass up on Campbell I likely wouldn't have gone with 2 QB's that early(although I personally liked the value I got with Campbell where I did). At worst I have 2 QBs that should be able to fill 1 position well. Best case would help me to fill a 'glaring need' elsewhere. The squeeze would've worked if it hadn't been for you meddling kids (rooby rooby doo!!!!!!)
got_nugs
Footballguy
I wish I could frame the sight that's given. Mediocrity
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Now if I could just get you to become a Gator fan.....
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Its not all bad. You have 2 young quality QBs. QBs get broken some times so it's always nice to have insurance and both of these guys can grow in value.
You also should not need to look for rookies at the position for quite some time.. only taking one if it is a clear BPA which would lead to more trade bait.
You also should not need to look for rookies at the position for quite some time.. only taking one if it is a clear BPA which would lead to more trade bait.
Losman: #14 QB for the season (#13 over last 6 weeks)Smith: #19 QB for the season (#22 over last 6 weeks)StatsLosman: 3050 yards (62.5%, 7.1 Y/A), 19 TD/14 INT, 84.9 QB RatingSmith: 2900 yards (58.1%, 6.5 Y/A), 16 TD/15 INT, 74.8 QB RatingLosman had 2+ TDs in 4 of his last 7 games. The light clicked for him at the end of the year and he looked comfortable. I think he'll improve on his numbers next season in Year 2 under Fairchild with (hopefully) a better offensive line and continued excellence from Lee Evans.Smith had 2+ TDs in only 3 games all season, he had 6 TDs/9 INTs in his last 6 games and showed no real improvement as the year wore on. Frank Gore is the focal point of that offense, he has no stud WRs to rely on, and he just lost his offensive coordinator for the 2nd year in a row.Alex Smith was certainly a consideration for my young developmental QB slot, but I give Losman an edge over him in nearly every area. Not really sure where the hate for Losman comes from, but he made me a believer this year. Apart from being a #1 overall pick in a weak draft class, what does Alex Smith have going for him that makes you like him so much more than Losman?My plan all along was to pair Losman with a vet like Kitna, so things worked out great for me. The one pick I didn't really expect was the same owner drafting McNabb at 4.04 and then taking Hasselbeck at 6.05. In a 16-team league with IDPs and a scoring system that seems to devalue QBs, I think spending 2 of your first 6 picks on the QB position is a luxury most teams can't afford. BUT, he had acquired a ton of extra picks via trade so it didn't really hurt him as much as it would most other teams. Hass was a great value at that point and should be great insurance for another McNabb injury.
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redman
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15th round is done:
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15.01 Chris Overton Randle El, Antwaan WAS WR 4:27:08 p.m. 15.02 Chris Overton Baskett, Hank PHI WR 5:10:35 p.m. 15.03 Marc Faletti Pennington, Chad NYJ QB 5:10:35 p.m. 15.04 AJ Moura Johnson, Landon CIN LB 5:11:10 p.m. 15.05 Terry Winfree Scaife, Bo TEN TE 5:26:53 p.m. 15.06 Sigmund Bloom Perry, Chris CIN RB 5:27:50 p.m. 15.07 Aaron Rudnicki Brooking, Keith ATL LB 5:27:50 p.m. 15.08 Alex Fernandez Mitchell, Kawika KCC LB 5:35:23 p.m. 15.09 Jake Parrish Reed, Edward BAL S 5:35:23 p.m. 15.10 Derek Tonn Castillo, Luis SDC DT 5:42:47 p.m. 15.11 Ben Bregitzer Thomas, Bryan NYJ DE 5:46:05 p.m. 15.12 Nick Chadick Brooks, Derrick TBB LB 5:56:05 p.m. 15.13 Jeff Pasquino Crayton, Patrick DAL WR 5:56:05 p.m. 15.14 Carlos Rodrigues Dillon, Corey NEP RB 5:56:28 p.m. 15.15 Jake Bachman Washington, Nate PIT WR 6:02:15 p.m. 15.16 Will Grant Demps, Will NYG S 5:15:59 a.m.redman
Footballguy
sorry, man, I was just posting the complete round - you're up. The subsequent two picks were:Lemme know when I'm up...probably won't be until tonight (in 2 picks).
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16.01 Will Grant Hobson, Victor NYJ LB 5:16:35 a.m. 16.02 Nick Chadick Dawkins, Brian PHI S 5:16:35 a.m.lord_helmet
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These are your own picks right ? Curious what your thoughts are on Hobson, can't really decide how I feel about his prospects myself.
Warpig
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I liked Hobson and was actually targeting him with my next pick. Fairly young guy who excelled in the 3-4 racking up over 100 tackles and 6 sacks. Solid for a 3-4 LB. Especially this late in the draft. But that's just my two cents. What do I know? Most of my team is bad picks and reaches.
Hobson was solid last year, and took well to the 3-4. I do have some concerns that the Jets will draft another DE/OLB tweener that is a more proficient pass rusher this year, a guy like LaMarr Woodley or Quentin Moses, but even if they do, that player shouldnt cost more than a 5th round rookie pick and will likely be available in FA.I liked Hobson and was actually targeting him with my next pick. Fairly young guy who excelled in the 3-4 racking up over 100 tackles and 6 sacks. Solid for a 3-4 LB. Especially this late in the draft. But that's just my two cents. What do I know? Most of my team is bad picks and reaches.
Warpig
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I went ahead and had Terry make my 16.03 pick for me...another reach:
16.03 - Terrance Copper, NOS, WR
Big, hard working guy. I read an article on him talking about his path to NOS and it was pretty flattering especially when it comes to his work ethic. And if you look at my team you can tell that I like the blue collar, non-sexy guys. He performed admirably when called upon this year in that wide open Saint offense and I'm hoping that he will build upon that and possibly take over the WR #2 spot or #3 spot at worst.
16.03 - Terrance Copper, NOS, WR
Big, hard working guy. I read an article on him talking about his path to NOS and it was pretty flattering especially when it comes to his work ethic. And if you look at my team you can tell that I like the blue collar, non-sexy guys. He performed admirably when called upon this year in that wide open Saint offense and I'm hoping that he will build upon that and possibly take over the WR #2 spot or #3 spot at worst.
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redman
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No, those are Will Grant and Nick Chadick's (KTM's) picks that I was relaying to Ben Bregitzer (Warpig), who has the next pick but who only has work access to this forum and not to the FF league site. Hobson's a good prospect and a perfect pick at this spot given that there are no guarantees available any more at LB. Everyone's got questions. What makes me leery about him, aside from what Bloom said, is that he's not the most talented LB on that team by far (Vilma) and so it makes no sense for the defense to continue to spill action his way versus Vilma's. Long term, I'd rather have Vilma.
He's more dependable than Devery and Horn is ancient. I foresee him making a rise as a late round sleeper (especially in PPR) as the season approaches Also keep in mind that Colston had a bum shoulder in college and missed time last year, so thats another in for Copper to be productive. I like the pick.
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Jene Bramel
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I'm curious as to what you guys plan to do about the defensive players who are clearly mis-categorized in the MFL system. MFL doesn't spend much time ensuring that the DT/DE and CB/S distinction is correct in their database.
We've gone around and around about this in leagues I've been in where this issue comes up. You guys may have already addressed this loophole in your rulebook (I didn't look) but I'd be interested in hearing your discussion anyway.
We've gone around and around about this in leagues I've been in where this issue comes up. You guys may have already addressed this loophole in your rulebook (I didn't look) but I'd be interested in hearing your discussion anyway.
7.PLAYER POSITION CHANGES: All franchise owners must be aware that from time to time a player in the NFL may get moved permanently to a new position. When this occurs, a change to that player must be made. This procedure must take place regardless of what position a player was originally drafted as. The sources used for determining a player’s position is currently NFL.com's Depth Chart. Keep in mind that it may be necessary to look at other sources to verify any position. The Commissioner has the last say as to where a player will be placed.IMO, The commish has to have complete discretion in these cases. There is no definite source.
lord_helmet
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I'm in a league very similar to this one. Its not failsafe but we have a rule about the position of a certain player is determined from the depth chart posted on the official team web site. Thats probably where NFL.com gets theirs too 
it's easiest just to go with whatever MFL lists the player as. MFL isn't always great about that, and sometimes there are cases where a player could defensibly be listed as 2 different positions, but overall I think MFL does a pretty good job and they will also make changes if you bring something to their attention.
I fully expect Castillo to be listed as a DE next year, and I assume B.Thomas will be listed as a LB at some point as well.
I fully expect Castillo to be listed as a DE next year, and I assume B.Thomas will be listed as a LB at some point as well.
lord_helmet
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This one has been annoying the hell out of me
Warpig
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Bite your tongue man! He's a successful DE!
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lord_helmet
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So was Greg Ellis, that doesn't make it rightBite your tongue man! He's a successful DE!
redman
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Even that is ambiguous though. Check out Terrell Suggs. The team's NFL.com depth chart page has him listed as LOLB and that's consistent with his jersey number of 55, however on his player page he's listed as a DE and that is primarily the way that he's used in reality. Where this system really lets us down is with this hybrid 4-3/3-4 defense with guys like Suggs or Ware who are asked to do different things on different plays. Both of those guys, though, rush the passer like a conventional DE does far more than they drop back into coverage or are standing up at the line of scrimmage.
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Suggs made the Pro Bowl as a LB this year, didn't he? Makes no sense to me considering they employed Bart Scott, Ray Lewis, and Adalius Thomas at LB. I doubt Suggs played more than 5% of his snaps as a LB.
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