EBF, I was kidding.
but, I'd still take Jurevicius over Hagan in a heartbeat.
but, I'd still take Jurevicius over Hagan in a heartbeat.
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EBF
Footballguy
Woops.
I suppose Jurevicius offers more value in the short-term, but he's at best WR2 in Cleveland and possibly WR3 if Travis Wilson steps up at all. Hagan offers much greater potential.
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definitely. but, he also has a much higher chance of never doing anything. I am reasonably confident that Jurevicius will be productive for the next year or two as long as he can stay healthy. And, I happen to think that Chambers/Booker/Welker are a pretty solid group of WRs who will make it tough for Hagan to emerge this year at least.
Jurevicius doesn't fit in with my team, too old.Hagan will move past Booker easily and Welker will steal some catches but doesn't have anywhere near the talent Hagan has.
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19.13 RB Greg Jones, Jaguars - Maybe a bit of a stretch here, but I still like his "Thunder and Lightning" potential with MJD after Fred Taylor is pimping cars, restaurants and insurance for a living. Del Rio likes the guy a lot, and unless Wimbush blows people's doors off over the next 9-12 months, I think Jones should have 3-4+ solid seasons with the Jags going forward. Touchdowns....not yards or receptions. But as a 5th RB and some injury/bye week insurance, I can live with a guy who the coach likes to give it to inside the five.......
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Footballguy
I haven't looked at this in a few rounds...
Rounds 15+ seem to be difficult for some, but where many are making their mark. Off hand, the picks I like:
15.03 227. Marc Faletti Pennington, Chad NYJ QB Mon Feb 19 8:10:35 p.m. ET 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
- a good QB2, was the #15 QB last year. Some concerns, but overall a good risk/reward.
15.06 230. Sigmund Bloom Perry, Chris CIN RB Mon Feb 19 8:27:50 p.m. ET 2007
- major risk, but if he ever stays healthy, a steal here
16.16 256. Chris Overton Porter, Jerry OAK WR Tue Feb 20 11:55:16 a.m. ET 2007
- another major risk, but somehow I think he makes a good WR3 or 4 this year in this league, a good value.
17.04 260. Sigmund Bloom Mason, Derrick BAL WR Tue Feb 20 12:20:35 p.m. ET 2007
- part of the reason I like this pick is he already has Dem Williams, but even if he didn't, a great value here
17.14 270. Jeff Pasquino Anderson, Mark CHI DE ® Wed Feb 21 12:56:22 a.m. ET 2007
- was his success due to the rotation or a sign of things to come? Perhaps the "next Jared Allen"?
17.16 272. Will Grant Grossman, Rex CHI QB Wed Feb 21 12:56:22 a.m. ET 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
- worst SB QB ever? Still a SB QB, and he'll improve I think. great value.
18.04 276. Derek Tonn Davis, Thomas CAR LB Wed Feb 21 12:47:50 p.m. ET 2007
- perhaps a better NFL player than FFer, but still a great young talent.
So that's 2 for Sig, he's starting to leave this league behind.
Rounds 15+ seem to be difficult for some, but where many are making their mark. Off hand, the picks I like:
15.03 227. Marc Faletti Pennington, Chad NYJ QB Mon Feb 19 8:10:35 p.m. ET 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
- a good QB2, was the #15 QB last year. Some concerns, but overall a good risk/reward.
15.06 230. Sigmund Bloom Perry, Chris CIN RB Mon Feb 19 8:27:50 p.m. ET 2007
- major risk, but if he ever stays healthy, a steal here
16.16 256. Chris Overton Porter, Jerry OAK WR Tue Feb 20 11:55:16 a.m. ET 2007
- another major risk, but somehow I think he makes a good WR3 or 4 this year in this league, a good value.
17.04 260. Sigmund Bloom Mason, Derrick BAL WR Tue Feb 20 12:20:35 p.m. ET 2007
- part of the reason I like this pick is he already has Dem Williams, but even if he didn't, a great value here
17.14 270. Jeff Pasquino Anderson, Mark CHI DE ® Wed Feb 21 12:56:22 a.m. ET 2007
- was his success due to the rotation or a sign of things to come? Perhaps the "next Jared Allen"?
17.16 272. Will Grant Grossman, Rex CHI QB Wed Feb 21 12:56:22 a.m. ET 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
- worst SB QB ever? Still a SB QB, and he'll improve I think. great value.
18.04 276. Derek Tonn Davis, Thomas CAR LB Wed Feb 21 12:47:50 p.m. ET 2007
- perhaps a better NFL player than FFer, but still a great young talent.
So that's 2 for Sig, he's starting to leave this league behind.
Ned
Footballguy
are you a sigmund groupie or what? :X just taking a quick looksie at the rosters i see 5 teams that look strong than his. alex fernandez is gonna be one tough bird to beat.
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Footballguy
Alex has a good team too, and I've never considered myself a groupie of anyone. It could just be that I share sig's philosophy, and respect his talent evaluation.are you a sigmund groupie or what? :X just taking a quick looksie at the rosters i see 5 teams that look strong than his. alex fernandez is gonna be one tough bird to beat.
Warpig
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shake zula
Footballguy
Atleast that's what Smith told me...
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
For the record I've been out of town at the FSTA conference, so I need to catch up on the entire thread, but some have made mention to me about these comments. So, I'm going to make a few comments.I'll start by going through the deals Biabreakable has pointed out between myself and AJ. First, understand that this is in backwards (reverse chronological) order, so the bottom trade happened first.
I don't disagree.
Pretty sure that the 6/9 for a 4th is negative value in a pick calculator, so a bump in the rookie draft isn't out of line. For someone who also wants to move up, they should be paying for the priviledge, so you could even argue that trading at even value is a loss for the owner moving down (i.e. no incentive).
Pretty small deal, proposed by AJ.
After 3 trades with AJ, I'm realizing this guy isn't quite up to speed on trading. I see this as a straight value deal and it is pretty even. Look at the moves up and down, and it really is, no matter how you slice it. I don't see how you can say someone moving down 27 spots then picking up 23 later and another 6 very late is unfair.
Without question.
Third trade with AJ. Again, not too far out of whack, but after the first two...
Second ever deal with AJ. Again, proposed by him. Crazy value, couldn't click YES fast enough.
First time dealing with AJ. Now I've seen some guys undervalue rookies, but this is exceptional. He's trading a ton with others and Derek and Brian are trading like mad with this guy. Why not take his proposal?....
You have to understand that now the league has realized AJ's trades were, overall, bad for the league. Some benefitted from his earlier deals as you pointed out, but many of us including myself took it upon ourselves to coach him some as to value. Now, you can't say that an owner can't trade, but for the betterment of the league some owners have to show better judgment and restraint. After 3 deals, I see that he's not doing himself favors and I personally went out of my way to tell him about general concepts in fair value for picks, draft pick and pick calculators, etc.
Just wanted to add some context to your statements as I felt that some of your viewpoints were jaded by showing them in reverse order. The worst trades happened first, and each trade after the first few have been equitable.
Many of us are rooting for AJ to improve quickly as we don't want to have any team be a weakness right out of the gate.
Now, back to the thread.....
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
if it was his proposal, why do the comments say "swap of 4ths for your 1.15 rookie"? those certainly make it seem like this was your proposal. this dude was obviously in way over his head with this league. team is going to be terrible for years and had no chance to compete by the time the inaugural draft started. I've never seen someone ruin a dynasty team so quickly before.Jeff Pasquino said:
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shake zula
Footballguy
Aaron, now tell us how you really feel.
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
way to throw me under the busJeff Pasquino said:
i have made 2 trades total with aj, the first one i got great value on, wont deny that, but it was the very first trade of the league and no precidence was set on his style, it was my 1st for his 2nd/3rd, for all i knew that was going to be his only trade....and sitting on 2 1sts and then stable draft starting at 4th isnt completely insane........the second was very insignificant
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Never let it be said that I wasn't willing to throw you under the :11: datonn was bragadocious about how strong his pre-draft trading and solid GM'ing he'd done to date as he was stealing value left and right.way to throw me under the busJeff Pasquino said:
As for the comments in my first trade with AJ, yes I proposed it back to him because he had issues with the MFL site and we traded via AIM.
I'd have to say most of the damage was done by datonn to AJ, although we all had a hand in the cookie jar. Datonn just got more cookies and left fewer crumbs.
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Here comes DT bragging again or saying how he didn't steal from AJ.....
Whatever floats your boat, Jeff. 
My first deal with AJ was obviously VERY lopsided. I had that trade offer waiting for me in MFL and I hit "ACCEPT" as fast as I possibly could, to strengthen myself while weakening a division foe. I made a few other subsequent deals with AJ too, but they weren't NEARLY as lopsided as that first one.
The "secret" of how I amassed so many good picks in this draft was countering trade offers with "throw-ins" of guys moving my 30th for their 25th, my 23rd for their 18th, my 20th for their 15th, my 15th for their 10th, etc. Most guys who are HOT to get up into rounds 3-4 or higher look at a 15th or a 20th and think "yeah, who cares if it'll get me that higher pick?" However, this type of draft isn't won in rounds 3-4. This type of draft is won in rounds 10-45. I made sure I had built up enough picks through the top 8-10 rounds of the draft that I could simply pluck talent off the board, regardless of need/position after that. It's worked out for the most part so far, though I am still a bit thin at D-Line. However, I got what I wanted out of this draft: a DEEP roster with a young and talented LB corps to anchor my IDP for the next 5-6 years.....and top 8-10 talent at EVERY position. Other than QB, 2-3+ other teams have more top-talent at each of the other positions. However, across EVERY position, every other team also has several more deficiencies than my squad does. That's the idea. This league is way too talented/deep for any of us to CRUSH at every position, so I'm just trying to make sure that my "advantages" in depth/talent outweigh the "disadvantages" that I have to overcome.
In looking over the draft history and my roster, there is probably 2-3 picks I would have done differently. However, overall I'm feeling "B+/A-" with where my squad is at as we enter the 20th round.
20.03 QB David Garrard, Jaguars - Looks like Del Rio is naming Leftwich the starter (for now), but I've always been a fan of Garrard's potential, and as I looked over the remaining QB talent still available, his name was jumping off the page for me. Didn't want to go QB here, but if I didn't take him soon, I thought I would end up settling for "crap and crapper" at QB3.
20.04 DT Kevin Williams, Vikings - Here is a guy whose stats last year did not equal his talent/ability. I think he is actually "due" for an up-tick in sacks and tackles....and even though I potentially could now have THREE DTs and only one DE, I had Williams rated much higher than any of the next tier of DEs on my draft board. Went with value....and a touch of the :horns:
My first deal with AJ was obviously VERY lopsided. I had that trade offer waiting for me in MFL and I hit "ACCEPT" as fast as I possibly could, to strengthen myself while weakening a division foe. I made a few other subsequent deals with AJ too, but they weren't NEARLY as lopsided as that first one.The "secret" of how I amassed so many good picks in this draft was countering trade offers with "throw-ins" of guys moving my 30th for their 25th, my 23rd for their 18th, my 20th for their 15th, my 15th for their 10th, etc. Most guys who are HOT to get up into rounds 3-4 or higher look at a 15th or a 20th and think "yeah, who cares if it'll get me that higher pick?" However, this type of draft isn't won in rounds 3-4. This type of draft is won in rounds 10-45. I made sure I had built up enough picks through the top 8-10 rounds of the draft that I could simply pluck talent off the board, regardless of need/position after that. It's worked out for the most part so far, though I am still a bit thin at D-Line. However, I got what I wanted out of this draft: a DEEP roster with a young and talented LB corps to anchor my IDP for the next 5-6 years.....and top 8-10 talent at EVERY position. Other than QB, 2-3+ other teams have more top-talent at each of the other positions. However, across EVERY position, every other team also has several more deficiencies than my squad does. That's the idea. This league is way too talented/deep for any of us to CRUSH at every position, so I'm just trying to make sure that my "advantages" in depth/talent outweigh the "disadvantages" that I have to overcome.
In looking over the draft history and my roster, there is probably 2-3 picks I would have done differently. However, overall I'm feeling "B+/A-" with where my squad is at as we enter the 20th round.
20.03 QB David Garrard, Jaguars - Looks like Del Rio is naming Leftwich the starter (for now), but I've always been a fan of Garrard's potential, and as I looked over the remaining QB talent still available, his name was jumping off the page for me. Didn't want to go QB here, but if I didn't take him soon, I thought I would end up settling for "crap and crapper" at QB3.
20.04 DT Kevin Williams, Vikings - Here is a guy whose stats last year did not equal his talent/ability. I think he is actually "due" for an up-tick in sacks and tackles....and even though I potentially could now have THREE DTs and only one DE, I had Williams rated much higher than any of the next tier of DEs on my draft board. Went with value....and a touch of the :horns:
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
That's about what everyone feels right now. I still don't see how he can recover.Whatever floats your boat, Jeff.My first deal with AJ was obviously VERY lopsided. I had that trade offer waiting for me in MFL and I hit "ACCEPT" as fast as I possibly could, to strengthen myself while weakening a division foe. I made a few other subsequent deals with AJ too, but they weren't NEARLY as lopsided as that first one.
That's hardly a "secret" - everyone wants to move up on the back end of a 2-for-2 exchange, so building that value slowly over multiple deals can pay off.The strategy works if you have a very active trading league (which this is) but it takes a ton of effort and time to implement unless you jump start the strategy with a few one-sided deals, which you had 3 of right out of the gate.Also, your team's depth was built in the first seven rounds, not 17. 13 picks before the end of Round 7 should produce a good team, and most would be disappointed otherwise. You're not winning because of Rounds 10-45 and knowing talent that deep, but rather leveraging all you can to move up into the Top 20 rounds. That's an acceptable strategy of course, but I'm also curious to see how your team age looks when all is said and done (including the rookie draft, where you are noticeably absent).
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Draft summary so far:
10.13 Jackson, Tarvaris MIN QB 5.01 Vick, Michael ATL QB 4.09 Barber, Marion DAL RB 8.13 Jordan, Lamont OAK RB 1.04 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 11.04 Bennett, Drew TEN WR 11.01 Caldwell, Reche NEP WR 15.13 Crayton, Patrick DAL WR 3.08 Driver, Donald GBP WR 9.04 Glenn, Terry DAL WR 9.02 Jones, Brandon TEN WR 19.10 Baker, Chris NYJ TE 4.10 Crumpler, Alge ATL TE 17.14 Anderson, Mark CHI DE 13.10 Ogunleye, Adewale CHI DE 6.10 Briggs, Lance CHI LB 18.07 Greenway, Chad MIN LB 17.13 Greenwood, Morlon HOU LB 20.07 Vrabel, Mike NEP LB 12.07 Hamlin, Ken SEA SBeen away for a few days, but seemed to fare ok.Picked up mostly IDPs here, with Ogunleye and Mark Anderson at DE, underrated LBs in Greenwood and Vrabel (who isn't as old as you would think) and a sneaky pickup in Chad Greenway. Patrick Crayton compliments Terry Glenn well and Chris Baker pretty much wraps up viable veteran TEs.
Pretty happy with this so far, and of course I'm well positioned in the rookie draft with 8 of 80 picks including 1.05, 1.07 and 1.08.
10.13 Jackson, Tarvaris MIN QB 5.01 Vick, Michael ATL QB 4.09 Barber, Marion DAL RB 8.13 Jordan, Lamont OAK RB 1.04 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 11.04 Bennett, Drew TEN WR 11.01 Caldwell, Reche NEP WR 15.13 Crayton, Patrick DAL WR 3.08 Driver, Donald GBP WR 9.04 Glenn, Terry DAL WR 9.02 Jones, Brandon TEN WR 19.10 Baker, Chris NYJ TE 4.10 Crumpler, Alge ATL TE 17.14 Anderson, Mark CHI DE 13.10 Ogunleye, Adewale CHI DE 6.10 Briggs, Lance CHI LB 18.07 Greenway, Chad MIN LB 17.13 Greenwood, Morlon HOU LB 20.07 Vrabel, Mike NEP LB 12.07 Hamlin, Ken SEA SBeen away for a few days, but seemed to fare ok.Picked up mostly IDPs here, with Ogunleye and Mark Anderson at DE, underrated LBs in Greenwood and Vrabel (who isn't as old as you would think) and a sneaky pickup in Chad Greenway. Patrick Crayton compliments Terry Glenn well and Chris Baker pretty much wraps up viable veteran TEs.
Pretty happy with this so far, and of course I'm well positioned in the rookie draft with 8 of 80 picks including 1.05, 1.07 and 1.08.
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"In my prime" on the offensive side of the ball, young on defense. I haven't done the math to calculate average age, but I would guess that with 2-3 other owners being outliers (youth at all costs!), I'm probably right around the middle of the pack in average age.Noticeably absent from the rookie draft? Three seconds and two thirds not good enough for you?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
My bad, that was SJAX2.....50.15 and aNoticeably absent from the rookie draft? Three seconds and two thirds not good enough for you?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I hope you have a RB2 to pull outta your hat....All I know is that I'm gonna kick all your asses and I don't have any trades with AJ.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
All the extra picks he can get are a positive IMOI know he wanted Gaffeny at that spot, so I guess he traded out when his guy was gone.20-24 IMO is not much of a difference value wise, so he dropped down, and picks up a later pick.Is there value in this trade for Moura?
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Warpig
Footballguy
Yeah...I was torn between Wilford and Gaffney. Since I'm a Jags
I went with Wilford. I still believe!Gaffney may be the #2 now since CJ has a torn ACL. 
I agree, I think this is a good trade. if any of us made our top 20 list, chances are someone will be there 4 rounds from now. Same if you make a top 5 list. I think the trade will help.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
lolNever noticed that smileyNICE!!!
redman
Footballguy
Oh hohoho! It's not my hat my RB2 is in!I hope you have a RB2 to pull outta your hat....All I know is that I'm gonna kick all your asses and I don't have any trades with AJ.
Redman is going to see his proctologist on Tuesday. I hope he finds my RB2 too.Oh hohoho! It's not my hat my RB2 is in!I hope you have a RB2 to pull outta your hat....All I know is that I'm gonna kick all your asses and I don't have any trades with AJ.
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dirtyhalos
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Redman is going to see his proctologist on Tuesday. I hope he finds my RB2 too.Oh hohoho! It's not my hat my RB2 is in!I hope you have a RB2 to pull outta your hat....All I know is that I'm gonna kick all your asses and I don't have any trades with AJ.
i could use an rb1 if you're going to be looking chris
redman
Footballguy
Jeebus, guys, just how big do you think my not-hat is?Redman is going to see his proctologist on Tuesday. I hope he finds my RB2 too.Oh hohoho! It's not my hat my RB2 is in!I hope you have a RB2 to pull outta your hat....All I know is that I'm gonna kick all your asses and I don't have any trades with AJ.
i could use an rb1 if you're going to be looking chris
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Draft summary so far:
10.13 Jackson, Tarvaris MIN QB 05.01 Vick, Michael ATL QB 04.09 Barber, Marion DAL RB 08.13 Jordan, Lamont OAK RB 01.04 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 11.04 Bennett, Drew TEN WR 11.01 Caldwell, Reche NEP WR 15.13 Crayton, Patrick DAL WR 03.08 Driver, Donald GBP WR 09.04 Glenn, Terry DAL WR 09.02 Jones, Brandon TEN WR 19.10 Baker, Chris NYJ TE 04.10 Crumpler, Alge ATL TE 17.14 Anderson, Mark CHI DE 13.10 Ogunleye, Adewale CHI DE 06.10 Briggs, Lance CHI LB 18.07 Greenway, Chad MIN LB 17.13 Greenwood, Morlon HOU LB 20.07 Vrabel, Mike NEP LB 21.04 McAllister, Chris BAL CB12.07 Hamlin, Ken SEA SIDP fest continues. Chris McAllister joins the team.
Pretty happy with this so far, and of course I'm well positioned in the rookie draft with 8 of 80 picks including 1.05, 1.07 and 1.08.
10.13 Jackson, Tarvaris MIN QB 05.01 Vick, Michael ATL QB 04.09 Barber, Marion DAL RB 08.13 Jordan, Lamont OAK RB 01.04 Westbrook, Brian PHI RB 11.04 Bennett, Drew TEN WR 11.01 Caldwell, Reche NEP WR 15.13 Crayton, Patrick DAL WR 03.08 Driver, Donald GBP WR 09.04 Glenn, Terry DAL WR 09.02 Jones, Brandon TEN WR 19.10 Baker, Chris NYJ TE 04.10 Crumpler, Alge ATL TE 17.14 Anderson, Mark CHI DE 13.10 Ogunleye, Adewale CHI DE 06.10 Briggs, Lance CHI LB 18.07 Greenway, Chad MIN LB 17.13 Greenwood, Morlon HOU LB 20.07 Vrabel, Mike NEP LB 21.04 McAllister, Chris BAL CB12.07 Hamlin, Ken SEA SIDP fest continues. Chris McAllister joins the team.
Pretty happy with this so far, and of course I'm well positioned in the rookie draft with 8 of 80 picks including 1.05, 1.07 and 1.08.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
I assume you'll be WR heavy with those 1sts. By most accounts, this is a good year to need WRs with those picks. Right now, Jones has potential, and Driver/Glenn will do fine for a year or two, but it seems WR is your weak spot. If this was intentional with those picks, good work.
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
Solid squad. You should compete in year one and you'll have a pretty good long-term foundation if you can make those early picks count. The only thing that troubles me about your squad is the lack of star power. You have a lot of guys who are good, but few who are great.
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
bump for jhexel
QB - Delhomme, Cutler, Clemens
RB - Tatum Bell, Turner
WR - Javon, Santana, Braylon, Calvin(1.02r), Jeff Webb, Travis Wilson
TE - Gates, Vernon
DE - Alex Brown, Kiwanuka, Strahan
LB - Barnett, Wimbley
S - Whitner, Huff
QB - Delhomme, Cutler, Clemens
RB - Tatum Bell, Turner
WR - Javon, Santana, Braylon, Calvin(1.02r), Jeff Webb, Travis Wilson
TE - Gates, Vernon
DE - Alex Brown, Kiwanuka, Strahan
LB - Barnett, Wimbley
S - Whitner, Huff
jhexel
Footballguy
Gracias...will have to live and die with your success and defeats (may the defeats me minimal and controversial).
Don't ever say that the dirtyhalos isn't a gentleman and a scholar...takes those of us left out in the cold for a ride...God-speed. No matter what the Chiefs ever said about him behind his back...
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shake zula
Footballguy
Update:
QB: C. Palmer, C. Frye
RB: W. Parker, W. Mcgahee, L. Washington, D. Foster, D. Davis
WR: R. Moss, I. Bruce, B. Berrian, A. Bryant, T. Williamson
TE: D. Clark
DE: J. Smith
LB: L. Tatupu, J. Vilma, Z. Thomas, K. Mitchell, L. Washington, C. Crowder
CB: A. Rolle
S: R. Williams
QB: C. Palmer, C. Frye
RB: W. Parker, W. Mcgahee, L. Washington, D. Foster, D. Davis
WR: R. Moss, I. Bruce, B. Berrian, A. Bryant, T. Williamson
TE: D. Clark
DE: J. Smith
LB: L. Tatupu, J. Vilma, Z. Thomas, K. Mitchell, L. Washington, C. Crowder
CB: A. Rolle
S: R. Williams
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
15.14 238. Carlos Rodrigues Dillon, Corey NEP RB Mon Feb 19 5:56:28 p.m. PT 2007 
UW72
Footballguy
Code:15.14 238. Carlos Rodrigues Dillon, Corey NEP RB Mon Feb 19 5:56:28 p.m. PT 2007
Does he have too many picks?
Warpig
Footballguy
Carlos =Code:15.14 238. Carlos Rodrigues Dillon, Corey NEP RB Mon Feb 19 5:56:28 p.m. PT 2007
I rule!
redman
Footballguy
Yeah, you rock all right. You've got nice RB's in a league that emphasizes receiving stats. Good luck with your knife at this gunfight, guy.Carlos =Code:15.14 238. Carlos Rodrigues Dillon, Corey NEP RB Mon Feb 19 5:56:28 p.m. PT 2007
dirtyhalos
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Yeah, you rock all right. You've got nice RB's in a league that emphasizes receiving stats. Good luck with your knife at this gunfight, guy.Carlos =Code:15.14 238. Carlos Rodrigues Dillon, Corey NEP RB Mon Feb 19 5:56:28 p.m. PT 2007
it's funny cause it's true
Ned
Footballguy
WR - Donte Stallworth, Muhsin Muhammed, Michael Jenkins, Terrance Copper, Ernest WilfordlethalCarlos =Code:15.14 238. Carlos Rodrigues Dillon, Corey NEP RB Mon Feb 19 5:56:28 p.m. PT 2007
dirtyhalos
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22.05 341. Brian Smith Peterson, Adrian CHI RB Fri Feb 23 9:48:56 a.m. PT 2007 :koolaid: here's to a tj trade
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