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REDSKINS @ RAVENS -- *Game thread* (1 Viewer)
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The reason I think it's an obvious decision to go with Beck is that they have generally played evenly, yes, but Grossman is far more prone to turnovers it seems. I think all things equal, that tips it in Beck's favor. They want more of a game manager than a homerun hitter, so safety/decision making is key.So, believe it or not, there is a reason that I think Beck should get the job, beyond it just being "want I want."
I don't think its indicative of how they will split the carries in the reg season. Probably just trying to get Ricky some reps. No need to give Rice a ton of carries in the preseason, even if it is the 3rd game. Earlier in the week Cam Cameron said his plan was to play Rice until he was tired and trust him to let them know when he needs a breather. Also, the back to back gl carries were nice to see.
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thehornet
Footballguy
It's cool if you have your reasons, but the guy has completed 1 pass tonight and you agreed with the guy saying, "after the first half, you gotta give it to Beck." That is all.And Grossman actaully looks pretty damn sharp tonight even if he does have a weak arm.The reason I think it's an obvious decision to go with Beck is that they have generally played evenly, yes, but Grossman is far more prone to turnovers it seems. I think all things equal, that tips it in Beck's favor. They want more of a game manager than a homerun hitter, so safety/decision making is key.So, believe it or not, there is a reason that I think Beck should get the job, beyond it just being "want I want."
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HellToupee
Footballguy
nice throw
Hey dude, I was not talking about just tonight but my general thoughts on both players. I wasn't basing it on the one throw; but I see what you are saying there.It's cool if you have your reasons, but the guy has completed 1 pass tonight and you agreed with the guy saying, "after the first half, you gotta give it to Beck." That is all.The reason I think it's an obvious decision to go with Beck is that they have generally played evenly, yes, but Grossman is far more prone to turnovers it seems. I think all things equal, that tips it in Beck's favor. They want more of a game manager than a homerun hitter, so safety/decision making is key.So, believe it or not, there is a reason that I think Beck should get the job, beyond it just being "want I want."
thehornet
Footballguy
I'm actually in agreement with you. Grossman blows. but you're gonna find out very soon that beck does too.....Hey dude, I was not talking about just tonight but my general thoughts on both players. I wasn't basing it on the one throw; but I see what you are saying there.It's cool if you have your reasons, but the guy has completed 1 pass tonight and you agreed with the guy saying, "after the first half, you gotta give it to Beck." That is all.The reason I think it's an obvious decision to go with Beck is that they have generally played evenly, yes, but Grossman is far more prone to turnovers it seems. I think all things equal, that tips it in Beck's favor. They want more of a game manager than a homerun hitter, so safety/decision making is key.So, believe it or not, there is a reason that I think Beck should get the job, beyond it just being "want I want."
LOL, probably so.I'm actually in agreement with you. Grossman blows. but you're gonna find out very soon that beck does too.....Hey dude, I was not talking about just tonight but my general thoughts on both players. I wasn't basing it on the one throw; but I see what you are saying there.It's cool if you have your reasons, but the guy has completed 1 pass tonight and you agreed with the guy saying, "after the first half, you gotta give it to Beck." That is all.The reason I think it's an obvious decision to go with Beck is that they have generally played evenly, yes, but Grossman is far more prone to turnovers it seems. I think all things equal, that tips it in Beck's favor. They want more of a game manager than a homerun hitter, so safety/decision making is key.So, believe it or not, there is a reason that I think Beck should get the job, beyond it just being "want I want."
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Any thoughts on the OLines here? Washington seems to be able to open holes with the zone blocking scheme and Hightower seems to have found a system that exploits his talents. I know its preseason but Hightower has to be flying up draft boards right now.
Who is blowing the holes open for him?
Baltimore OLine?
Who is blowing the holes open for him?
Baltimore OLine?
dgreen
Footballguy
They've run well all preseason and pass blocking has been pretty good. I think they're just more comfortable as a unit in Shanahan's offense and executing they system.
Hard for me to tell if it's the Redskins DL playing really well or Baltimore's OL playing really poorly. Washington has clearly won that battle, just don't know where the credit/blame goes.
dgreen
Footballguy
In Grossman's three starts last year, Moss had 22-232-2. With Grossman this preseason, Moss has 10-115-2.
fatness
Footballguy
The Redskin O-line has been pretty good getting the defense all going in one direction, letting the running back cut back when he sees an opening. When there's no opening it doesn't gain much, but when there's a hole it has led to some nice yardage. And there have been holes. Assuming both the Ravens and the Redskins prepared the same and care the same about this game, both Redskin lines look improved from last year, especially the defensive line. Fred Davis has also looked good both receiving (nice catch on a double move) and run blocking which had been the weakest part of his game.Kerrigan is so wired on defense he got call twice for penalties for neutral zone infractions but he'll learn to stop that. The guy has a motor and doesn't stop pursuing until the play is over.The Ravens were successful on a couple pass plays dragging Redskin LB's deep down the field in coverage where they looked lost. Great catch by a Ravens TE in the first half. Nice to see the Redskin lines basically playing the Ravens lines even for the half. Anyone who follows the Skins knows what a big change that is. Flacco certainly noticed the difference too; 3 sacks and more hurries.
fatness
Footballguy
I hope that's exactly what happens. Haven't seen enough Beck against the Ravens 1st string.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Quan is a MAN.
dgreen
Footballguy
First of all, the fact that the Redskins have gone to backups is irrelevant to what Baltimore will do. They'll stick to whatever their plan is. Right now, Baltimore has their first team O in, so maybe they'll give their D (maybe minus Ray and Reed) another series or two.Second, they'll evaluate them by compiling all the info they have. They have much more info than we do. They don't just use preseason games to make a decision. They also have practices, meetings, etc.. Even if Baltimore goes to their 2nd team, that doesn't mean they can't use what they see as part of their evaluation.
We'll see...Beck with backups going against backups...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
TY, you always have solid takes on the Skins. Who are the starting RG/C/LG at the moment? If you know, this could still be fluid.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Anyone on the Skins stand out to you? I saw Williams make a nice lock in Gam 2 where he just took the DL guy completely out of the play. I thought that was nice.
dgreen
Footballguy
Other than Williams, no. They're just a group of non-Pro-Bowlers who (hopefully) fit the system.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
RG = Kory Lichtensteiger, C = Will Montgomery, LG = Chris Chester. And no, it's not fluid at all. They only way there is a change in the starting OL at this point is injury.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Jammal Brown is a 2X Pro Bowler.
Williams is super talented but is still learning and improving. This was highlighted last week when he faced Freeney. He had some good plays and some obvious bad plays, but he will keep getting better. Jammal Brown is moving much better this year now that his hip is healthy and has become an asset, as opposed to the liability he was most of last year. Montgomery is a big upgrade over Rabach, but he and Lichtensteiger are probably the "weakest links" in the line, but they do ok within the system. Chester was said to have skills that fit the zone scheme perfectly (he wasn't a good fit for Baltimore's power running scheme) and as far as I've seen or heard he hasn't stood out good or bad. Overall, that's probably a good for him.The sum of this unit is >>> than it's parts.
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fatness
Footballguy
Sidewinder's mostly right. Lichtensteiger is the LG and Chester is the RG. Those 2 and Montgomery have been the starters all through preseason, with Brown and Williams at tackles.
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drunken slob
Footballguy
Jammal Brown is a 2X Pro Bowler.
fatness
Footballguy
On one of the successful first half running plays against the Ravens Williams was 8 or 10 yards downfield blocking somebody who was going backwards swiftly.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Easily the most entertaining start-to-finish preseason game I've seen this year.
jojoh07
Footballguy
came to say this
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Yep, he has plays (often) where he just makes his man look silly. I wouldn't say he's "there" yet, but I'm excited just watching what he can do and realizing what he can potentially do. He can be better than Chris Samuels, IMO.
az_prof
Footballguy
The guy is good and finally has a team and a qb who can exploit his skills.
