Reggie Bush a game time decision (1 Viewer)

[duaneok66]

People:

please quit trying to compare Westbrook and Bush . . .

Westbrook can break tackles fairly easily, while Bush's main liability is that he goes down too easily . . .

 

[Liquid Tension]

Not a Bush owner here.....Having said that, what is so wrong with PPR leagues? it's just like regular NFl, Rb's don't just have value as RB's, the ones that can do more, and be versatile are more valuable, and they are every bit as important to a team as a Rb that rushes for 1500 yards 10 TD's and doesn't catch a ball. Don't like it? tough, keep playing your non PPR leagues and pat yourself on the back for being manly. Here's to you "mister non point per reception fantasy football player" you are a ....Real man of genious.

I have no problem with Bush getting points for his receiving yardage. Maybe you can explain, though, how his 70 yards on 12 dump offs is equal to a real running back putting up 130 yards and a touchdown.

If 9 of those catches go for 1st downs, do you feel different?

When 1st downs can be auto tracked and you want to give points for 1st downs then give them an award for that but don't reward glorified handoffs to a category that already is overvalued because of scarcity issues. At least 1st downs is rewarding a play that is valuable to the team

 

[Liquid Tension]

Peoplelease quit trying to compare Westbrook and Bush . . .Westbrook can break tackles fairly easily, while Bush's main liability is that he goes down too easily . . .

Bush is not in Westbrooks class now, but he has the skill set (I think that is what people are saying). Westbrook always seems to make the 1st guy miss and that is a great trait. I think Bush is not just a 3rd down back as many think. He is a stronger kid then people give him credit for and I think he will get better.

 

[GoBirds]

Great arguement but it really has nothing to do with him being a GTD, does anyone have an update that would contribute something to Bush owners?

 

[PantherPower]

just talked to my buddy who's a PT for the Saints. He said that Bush is absolutely sure the guys who knock him on these forums are R-Tards.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Great arguement but it really has nothing to do with him being a GTD, does anyone have an update that would contribute something to Bush owners?

Yep. Like Westbrook, Bush is a GTD. So there more alike than we thought. But really I would like to know whats up with Bush as well.

 

[Tom Baker]

Great arguement but it really has nothing to do with him being a GTD, does anyone have an update that would contribute something to Bush owners?

Didn't practice yesterday and, by all accounts, he'll be, as you said, a game-time decision. Doubt there'll be any new info prior to kickoff tomorrow, but I fully expect him to play. Just a gut feeling though.

 

[pantherclub]

I dont see anyway he doesnt play. Big division game and they need a win to stay in the wild card hunt or possibly the division title hunt. Plus the Panthers are about 1 loss away from throwing the season completely if they havent already. Plus the fact that the starting corner and LB are probably going to miss the game.

 

[Keith Lewis]

He's nothing special. Everything he's doing this season he did last season. He still can't run and catches a bunch of dump passes. Reggie Bush doesn't even average 4 yards a carry. What excuse do the apologist have for that?

To think some people actually compared this bum to Brian Westbrook or Tiki Barber.

He's the #5 RB in most PPR leagues.

So? It doesn't contradict anything that I said. He still sucks as a running back. He's just rewarded for catching a bunch of 3 yard passes. Personally I think any league where Reggie Bush is a top-5 running back is flawed. I guess as long as PPR leagues are around he'll still be overly hyped even though he's a mediocre running back.

No need to get on the defensive man, I was not accusing you of being contraditory. Just saying he's not a disappointment in fantasy PPR leagues. I'll reserve judgment on his career since this is only his 2nd season, he's shown flashes and his offensive line's run blocking has a lot of room for improvement. I'd love to see what he could do behind a guard like Shawn Andrews or Hutch.

Why don't you two take your squabble to PMS and not subject us to your anger issues which so far has had zero to do with the topic at hand.

Pointing out that Bush's offensive line has been lackluster over his career has nothing to do with the subject? Great post, way to contribute to the thread. I wrote a 1/2 sentence giving the guy the respect of telling him that I didn't disagree with his post. Sounds like you have some anger issues of your own. Its a discussion. Get over it, please. Now, back to the topic at hand. I'm not a bush apologist, but I really think its far to early to deem his career a failure already. I'd really like to see what would happen if his oline created space for him. That said, he certainly has not shown the elusiveness that he did at USC.

Did you miss your morning coffee? The topic is Bush being a GTD. Capeche?

 

[southeastjerome]

He's nothing special. Everything he's doing this season he did last season. He still can't run and catches a bunch of dump passes. Reggie Bush doesn't even average 4 yards a carry. What excuse do the apologist have for that?

To think some people actually compared this bum to Brian Westbrook or Tiki Barber.

He's the #5 RB in most PPR leagues.

So? It doesn't contradict anything that I said. He still sucks as a running back. He's just rewarded for catching a bunch of 3 yard passes. Personally I think any league where Reggie Bush is a top-5 running back is flawed. I guess as long as PPR leagues are around he'll still be overly hyped even though he's a mediocre running back.

No need to get on the defensive man, I was not accusing you of being contraditory. Just saying he's not a disappointment in fantasy PPR leagues. I'll reserve judgment on his career since this is only his 2nd season, he's shown flashes and his offensive line's run blocking has a lot of room for improvement. I'd love to see what he could do behind a guard like Shawn Andrews or Hutch.

Why don't you two take your squabble to PMS and not subject us to your anger issues which so far has had zero to do with the topic at hand.

Pointing out that Bush's offensive line has been lackluster over his career has nothing to do with the subject? Great post, way to contribute to the thread. I wrote a 1/2 sentence giving the guy the respect of telling him that I didn't disagree with his post. Sounds like you have some anger issues of your own. Its a discussion. Get over it, please. Now, back to the topic at hand. I'm not a bush apologist, but I really think its far to early to deem his career a failure already. I'd really like to see what would happen if his oline created space for him. That said, he certainly has not shown the elusiveness that he did at USC.

Did you miss your morning coffee? The topic is Bush being a GTD. Capeche?

CAPICHE

 

[Genester]

He's nothing special. Everything he's doing this season he did last season. He still can't run and catches a bunch of dump passes. Reggie Bush doesn't even average 4 yards a carry. What excuse do the apologist have for that?

To think some people actually compared this bum to Brian Westbrook or Tiki Barber.

He's the #5 RB in most PPR leagues.

So? It doesn't contradict anything that I said. He still sucks as a running back. He's just rewarded for catching a bunch of 3 yard passes. Personally I think any league where Reggie Bush is a top-5 running back is flawed. I guess as long as PPR leagues are around he'll still be overly hyped even though he's a mediocre running back.

No need to get on the defensive man, I was not accusing you of being contraditory. Just saying he's not a disappointment in fantasy PPR leagues. I'll reserve judgment on his career since this is only his 2nd season, he's shown flashes and his offensive line's run blocking has a lot of room for improvement. I'd love to see what he could do behind a guard like Shawn Andrews or Hutch.

Why don't you two take your squabble to PMS and not subject us to your anger issues which so far has had zero to do with the topic at hand.

Pointing out that Bush's offensive line has been lackluster over his career has nothing to do with the subject? Great post, way to contribute to the thread. I wrote a 1/2 sentence giving the guy the respect of telling him that I didn't disagree with his post. Sounds like you have some anger issues of your own. Its a discussion. Get over it, please. Now, back to the topic at hand. I'm not a bush apologist, but I really think its far to early to deem his career a failure already. I'd really like to see what would happen if his oline created space for him. That said, he certainly has not shown the elusiveness that he did at USC.

Did you miss your morning coffee? The topic is Bush being a GTD. Capeche?

CAPICHE

Capisce - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/capisce

 

[BILLY_THE_BULL]

I have no problem with Bush getting points for his receiving yardage. Maybe you can explain, though, how his 70 yards on 12 dump offs is equal to a real running back putting up 130 yards and a touchdown.

The same way that when Corey Dillon would have 10 carries for 12 yards and two touchdowns it was worth the same as the guy who carried for 132 yards?

I feel the same way... it would drive me nutz when an RB like Westy or Tiki or DD would only have 6 TD for the yr; but they would be in the top 10 of RB because they get a pt for each little meaningless dump off. Currently in PPR: Bush is #5. I really like the Kid; but even I can admit thats high.Currently in my Scoring system: Bush is #11 (.2 per ru attempt, .5 PPR for RBs, 10 yds per pt, 6 TDs) In my system, #11 feels more natural where he should be ranked instead of #5.

What is the difference in points per game from #5 in your league to #11?

 

[southeastjerome]

He's nothing special. Everything he's doing this season he did last season. He still can't run and catches a bunch of dump passes. Reggie Bush doesn't even average 4 yards a carry. What excuse do the apologist have for that?

To think some people actually compared this bum to Brian Westbrook or Tiki Barber.

He's the #5 RB in most PPR leagues.

So? It doesn't contradict anything that I said. He still sucks as a running back. He's just rewarded for catching a bunch of 3 yard passes. Personally I think any league where Reggie Bush is a top-5 running back is flawed. I guess as long as PPR leagues are around he'll still be overly hyped even though he's a mediocre running back.

No need to get on the defensive man, I was not accusing you of being contraditory. Just saying he's not a disappointment in fantasy PPR leagues. I'll reserve judgment on his career since this is only his 2nd season, he's shown flashes and his offensive line's run blocking has a lot of room for improvement. I'd love to see what he could do behind a guard like Shawn Andrews or Hutch.

Why don't you two take your squabble to PMS and not subject us to your anger issues which so far has had zero to do with the topic at hand.

Pointing out that Bush's offensive line has been lackluster over his career has nothing to do with the subject? Great post, way to contribute to the thread. I wrote a 1/2 sentence giving the guy the respect of telling him that I didn't disagree with his post. Sounds like you have some anger issues of your own. Its a discussion. Get over it, please. Now, back to the topic at hand. I'm not a bush apologist, but I really think its far to early to deem his career a failure already. I'd really like to see what would happen if his oline created space for him. That said, he certainly has not shown the elusiveness that he did at USC.

Did you miss your morning coffee? The topic is Bush being a GTD. Capeche?

CAPICHE

Capisce - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/capisce

or CAPICHE http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/capiche

 

[BILLY_THE_BULL]

Not a Bush owner here.....Having said that, what is so wrong with PPR leagues? it's just like regular NFl, Rb's don't just have value as RB's, the ones that can do more, and be versatile are more valuable, and they are every bit as important to a team as a Rb that rushes for 1500 yards 10 TD's and doesn't catch a ball. Don't like it? tough, keep playing your non PPR leagues and pat yourself on the back for being manly. Here's to you "mister non point per reception fantasy football player" you are a ....Real man of genious.

I have no problem with Bush getting points for his receiving yardage. Maybe you can explain, though, how his 70 yards on 12 dump offs is equal to a real running back putting up 130 yards and a touchdown.

If 9 of those catches go for 1st downs, do you feel different?

No.

Then you don't know football.

Yet in a PPR system a running back who catches 11 one-yard passes (even if none goes for a first down) is worth more than a running back who rushes 20 times for 100 yards (even if every rush goes for a first down). Thanks for playing.

If a running back only gets one yard each on passes 11 consecutive times it is very doubtful they are going to continue to have the ball thrown to them. Reality escapes you with that ludicrous example you put forth.

 

[nxmehta]

FACT: Reggie Bush is $$$ in PPR leagues.

HYPOTHESIS: PPR leagues are ######ed.

CONCLUSION: Please get out of this thread if you want to argue about PPR instead of discuss updates on Bush's status. This is not an "Is PPR Dumb?" thread. This is a "Reggie Bush is a GTD" thread.

TIA HTH

ETA - "Please" :whoosh:

 

[Tom Baker]

FACT: Reggie Bush is $$$ in PPR leagues.HYPOTHESIS: PPR leagues are ######ed.CONCLUSION: Get out of this thread if you want to argue about PPR instead of discuss updates on Bush's status. This is not an "Is PPR Dumb?" thread. This is a "Reggie Bush is a GTD" thread.TIA HTH

Conclusion: #### off.

 

[packersfan]

FACT: Reggie Bush is $$$ in PPR leagues.HYPOTHESIS: PPR leagues are ######ed.CONCLUSION: Get out of this thread if you want to argue about PPR instead of discuss updates on Bush's status. This is not an "Is PPR Dumb?" thread. This is a "Reggie Bush is a GTD" thread.TIA HTH

Conclusion: #### off.

I agree with nxmehta. If people want to discuss how good Bush is or isn't or the merits or lack thereof of PPR leagues that's all fine and good. But I'm much more interested - in this thread - in seeing any updates about Bush and who stands to benefit (Stecker or Thomas or maybe both) if Bush sits.

 

[Joe Bryant]

FACT: Reggie Bush is $$$ in PPR leagues.HYPOTHESIS: PPR leagues are ######ed.CONCLUSION: Get out of this thread if you want to argue about PPR instead of discuss updates on Bush's status. This is not an "Is PPR Dumb?" thread. This is a "Reggie Bush is a GTD" thread.TIA HTH

Conclusion: #### off.

Goodbye tom. And nx, turn it down.Keep this thread on nothing but Reggie Bush and his status for Sunday. TIAJ

 

[KellysHeroes]

I have no problem with Bush getting points for his receiving yardage. Maybe you can explain, though, how his 70 yards on 12 dump offs is equal to a real running back putting up 130 yards and a touchdown.

The same way that when Corey Dillon would have 10 carries for 12 yards and two touchdowns it was worth the same as the guy who carried for 132 yards?

I feel the same way... it would drive me nutz when an RB like Westy or Tiki or DD would only have 6 TD for the yr; but they would be in the top 10 of RB because they get a pt for each little meaningless dump off. Currently in PPR: Bush is #5. I really like the Kid; but even I can admit thats high.Currently in my Scoring system: Bush is #11 (.2 per ru attempt, .5 PPR for RBs, 10 yds per pt, 6 TDs) In my system, #11 feels more natural where he should be ranked instead of #5.

What is the difference in points per game from #5 in your league to #11?

PPR: RB#5 w/ 188.9 ptsNon-PPR: RB#11 w/ 117.9 ptsMy System: RB#11 w/ 186.40 pts

 

[jesse]

Alright guys, assuming he plays tomorrow afternoon, what are the predictions against his opponent, the Panthers?

If he plays I see 14 rush for 75, and 6 rec. for 60. I think i'll stop short of a TD tomorrow though.......

Anyone else with some predictions or any updates?

 

[Smizzy]

C'mon Reggie...My team needs you to sit this one out!

Fixed

NO! I like money.

 

[GOroute]

C'mon Reggie...My team needs you to sit this one out!

Fixed

NO! I like money.

any updates on status. geeze those thurs games suck cause i sat KJ for RB and now i have to sweat out if he'll play or not.

 

[Thumper]

C'mon Reggie...My team needs you to sit this one out!

Fixed

NO! I like money.

any updates on status. geeze those thurs games suck cause i sat KJ for RB and now i have to sweat out if he'll play or not.

Rotoworld says Bush is starting.