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Reggie Bush even worth a roster spot (1 Viewer)
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Sir Chadwick
Footballguy
I knew the risk of drafting Bush this year...but went against my gut. I figured what the hell in the 9th rd for a possible 'feature' back in PPR. Should have known he wouldn't last.
I know he's had groin issues after the first game. But the guy simply is not a durable back and really only has good games when MIA is forced to use the passing attack.
Looks like Daniel Thomas is taking over and honestly unless Thomas goes down or I'm desperate I'll be keeping Bush on the bench.
I know he's had groin issues after the first game. But the guy simply is not a durable back and really only has good games when MIA is forced to use the passing attack.
Looks like Daniel Thomas is taking over and honestly unless Thomas goes down or I'm desperate I'll be keeping Bush on the bench.
faulkfan
Footballguy
I agree with this. Bush's value comes from his pass catching and ability to line up in several positions, but on a team with a very bland offense and mediocre (at best) QB, he just can't really do much. He isn't a feature back so if he isn't getting his touches in other spots then he becomes a decoy. I think the guy has skills, but he needs to be in the right situation and I don't think Miami is the right situation.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
He sucks. Sproles is in NO doing what was expected of Bush.
Reggie might have had value this year if he got a ton of work and stayed healthy. Neither one of those look likely moving forward. I'd cut him if there's value on the ww. With larger leagues/rosters you're stuck with him for now.
Reggie might have had value this year if he got a ton of work and stayed healthy. Neither one of those look likely moving forward. I'd cut him if there's value on the ww. With larger leagues/rosters you're stuck with him for now.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
This is ridiculous. What is the right situation for him? It wasn't New Orleans. It's not Miami. So where?
Professor S
Footballguy
I always thought out of college he would be the perfect fit for an offense like the Manning-led Colts offense (assuming he could learn to pass block): quick back that basically acts like an extra receiver out of the back field, can do damage if he gets the ball in space. Not so sure it's a great fit anymore.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
The problem is the Saints tried using him in that manner. And he wasn't very good at it. There are bigger busts in drafts but it's clear Reggie was a massive flop in the NFL.
L5UT1ger
Footballguy
Absolutely. New Orleans was one of the best fits for him, and he was not a reliable fantasy producer there. His best option is to convert to a WR. I honestly believe this. If he fails at WR, he needs to be merely a Leon Washington type. Thats it.
shnikies
Footballguy
I'd have to agree with this. The only chance he has at success is in the slot. The problem is that the Dolphins have a solid guy there already in Bess.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I think he could make us quickly forget who Danny Woodhead is if he landed in NE. And that is just the route he is going (reclaimation product). Unfortunatley, he is at one of the three places that NE has absolutely fleeced for talent, so Miami will most likely let him die in South Beach versus getting a 5th rounder for him in return. Personally, I think he would be $$ in SD, and of course, Seattle.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I managed to avoid Reggie Bush his entire career. Always felt he was overhyped and had no heart. And he proved it over his career in New Orleans. Then I fell for the preseason hype hovering around him as the regular season approached. The rookie Daniel Thomas was being talked about like a wasted 2nd round pick by the Dolphins and they even had washed up Larry Johnson competing for the short yardage/GL role. After the first week, I felt I had struck PPR gold with Reggie, but it turned out to be fools gold. He's on my next to dump list if there is a solid nibble on the waiver wire.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Exactly. Look what Sproles is doing there now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
USC ?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
What the Dolphins have done in the last two games is completely confusing.
I agree (like 99% of the world) that Bush is no lead back, Thomas should get that role.
But 1 target last week for Bush (ONE?) and what maybe one this week, and he did not even line up at WR? Bush may not be John Riggins but it's also a huge waste of talent, and a big minus as to what the team could do offensively, to simply stick him on the shelf because they could not get past Plan A in terms of ideas of how to use him.
This could be a reason why, which is upsetting. Why go get the guy if you cant even use him correctly for what he is good at. They should use him in the slot or develop some screens or draw plays to get him in space. I dont know who is worse right now Sparanno or Haley. :X Rotoworld:'SaintsInDome2006 said:
Reggie Bush did not line up as a receiver once in Sunday's loss to the Browns.
The Dolphins continue to misread Bush's talents. They tried him as a feature back in Week 1 and that failed. Now he's just a change-of-pace complement to Daniel Thomas and nothing more. Until the Dolphins get him involved in the passing game more, there's no fantasy upside here. Thomas has been impressive as a pure runner over the last two weeks.
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Easy. Haley. Sparano realizes the mistake he made and is cutting bait. Haley would be defiant and continue to start Bush over Thomas.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Without a doubt sparano & haley are the WORST coaches in the league right now by a very long margin at that. I don't think Sparano has a clue what the game plan is going in on sunday, and thats not even joking. Haley, well he is just a di@@ and loves himself. If either makes it to the end of the season then both franchises deserve what they get, which is alot of jack squat.
The Dolphins have to find ways to get their playmakers the ball more often. Reggie should be touching the ball 10 times on screens, catches, and quick tosses, not 5 runs up the middle and no catches. Marshall needs to get looks in the red zone, that's his strength. I would have Chad Henne working on his fade stops and fade throws in the red zone almost exclusively.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
But, but, Reggie keeps DC's up at night trying to figure out how to stop him.
Where are those guys right now. Guys that actually thought DC's were worried about a RB that had never rushed for more than 600 yards was going to do on Sunday considering his teammate was Drew Brees.
Reggie isn't worth the pizza in the commercial, yet there he is, in the commercial. That's the problem. The guy's more of a star off the field than on and people expect him to be a star in both places. How long before the guy's on the Celebrity Apprentice?
Where are those guys right now. Guys that actually thought DC's were worried about a RB that had never rushed for more than 600 yards was going to do on Sunday considering his teammate was Drew Brees.
Reggie isn't worth the pizza in the commercial, yet there he is, in the commercial. That's the problem. The guy's more of a star off the field than on and people expect him to be a star in both places. How long before the guy's on the Celebrity Apprentice?
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
As for the comments of Sparano not utilizing Reggie properly, what is he supposed to do? Bush is not an NFL RB1. He's just not. He's a situational back at best. And after 5 years in the league and several injuries, he didn't suddenly get bigger, stronger and faster. He's the same or worse at this point in his career and on a far less potent offense. Just convert him to a WR3 and be done with it. He could be a poor man's Percy Harvin without the migraines.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
That's exactly what they're doing. It's why Reggie Bush - who is NOT a playmaker - is getting fewer touches.
I was looking up to see if there was anything new and it directed me to this little blurb posted at CBS(who i generally NEVER look at for info) still interesting:
Bush to remain No. 1 RB: Miami RB Reggie Bush heads into Week 4 against the Chargers as the No. 1 option in the running game ahead of Daniel Thomas, according to coach Tony Sparano Monday. Bush has 80 rushing yards and has averaged just 2.9 yards per rush thus far after three games. “Reggie’s the No. 1 running back right now,” Sparano said Monday. Bush also feels as if he's being used correctly in the running game. “I feel like I’m being used effectively," Bush said. "When my number is called, I try to make the most of my opportunities. That’s what it is. This isn’t a time to be selfish and worry about individual statistics or carries or touches.”
CBS 09/26/2011
i read this then
. If reggie thinks this, and sparrano thinks this, then this is 
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this situation =
Bush to remain No. 1 RB: Miami RB Reggie Bush heads into Week 4 against the Chargers as the No. 1 option in the running game ahead of Daniel Thomas, according to coach Tony Sparano Monday. Bush has 80 rushing yards and has averaged just 2.9 yards per rush thus far after three games. “Reggie’s the No. 1 running back right now,” Sparano said Monday. Bush also feels as if he's being used correctly in the running game. “I feel like I’m being used effectively," Bush said. "When my number is called, I try to make the most of my opportunities. That’s what it is. This isn’t a time to be selfish and worry about individual statistics or carries or touches.”
CBS 09/26/2011
i read this then
. If reggie thinks this, and sparrano thinks this, then this is !!!this situation =
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Road Warriors
Footballguy
He's not an RB1, no doubt. But he is a matchup problem, especially in the passing game. Woodhead in NE is a productive back, because he's used in a way that leverages his skills. MIA, outside of the week 1 game, hasn't done that with Bush. As many have mentioned, get him the ball in the flat, on screens, flex him out wide, run him on delays. Create positive situations that utilize Bush's strengths. He can add a dimension to an offense with about 10-15 touches that not that many players can.
FarEastKilla
Footballguy
When D. Thomas scores 1st TD in form of a screen pass and bush answered with a fumble, that's when the fat lady has sung for Bush's value in Miami. Bess is a better version of Bush in Passing, DT is a better version of Bush in running. Hennie has no chemistry with anyone, so that spells the end for Bush.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
What are those strengths?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ald79gdbtI
I drafted Reggie after watching this game in the preseason. He showed great burst and effort while playing with surprising power. I thought he played well in tough circumstances in Week 1 and then tweaked his groin. In my opinion, they also aren't using him effectively. The jury is still out, it's only Week 3 of his first season there.
I own Daniel Thomas as well and obviously value him much higher at this point but I'm not at all willing to give up on Reggie completely.
I drafted Reggie after watching this game in the preseason. He showed great burst and effort while playing with surprising power. I thought he played well in tough circumstances in Week 1 and then tweaked his groin. In my opinion, they also aren't using him effectively. The jury is still out, it's only Week 3 of his first season there.
I own Daniel Thomas as well and obviously value him much higher at this point but I'm not at all willing to give up on Reggie completely.
Lionz will turn it around!
Footballguy
Atleast Sporano shows emotion! hehehe
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
This is the mind blowing thing about Reggie supporters. He sucks with New Orleans? He's not being used properly! He sucks with Miami? He's not being used properly! It's always some excuse. He's hurt. They're not using him right. It's too early to judge.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
He has good hands, decent quickness and is elusive in the open field, and, I think still, good top end speed. IMO, if you get predictable ( Bush in - pass, Thomas in - run ), or if you try to force him to run between the tackles, he will fail to produce. If you're creative ( like NO was, and still is with sproles ), he can be a productive player ( I don't want to call him a RB ). In his first 4 years in NO ( discounting last year-injury), he averaged close to 500 yards rushing and 500 yards receiving, and 7 TDs. It's not your bread and butter RB, but that's useful production.
If healthy, I think he can still produce as part of a RBBC tandem.
He's not being used correctly. Hate to go there but I've got to say if you watched the games you would know this.
In week one he was a PPR stud. He still was not used properly. He's a dessert the Dolphins tried to pawn off as a main course.
In weeks 2 and 3 he was used like he was Daniel Thomas, meaning the offense made no adjustments to when he was in the game or when Thomas was in the game. This is ignorant. Reggie Bush in not your normal NFL RB. He's a below average runner and elite receiver. You don't have to be a "genius" like Sean Payton or have a QB like Drew Brees to know this or to utilize Reggie in the correct manner. His value is in the mismatches he causes as a receiver out the backfield and he should only be getting carries to keep the defense honest.
Mark my words, the current OC for the Dolphins, Brian Daboll, will never work at or above the title of Offensive co-ordinator in the NFL again after this season. All Reggie Bush did was make him look like a total idiot who can't change his offense to fit the personnel. This is, in my opinion, the worst mistake a coach can make.
As for Reggie's value this year it's about on life support until or if the Dolphins wake up and realize he's one of the most dangerous options they have in the passing game and start utilizing him properly. So far I've seen little to give me confidence this will happen.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Others have already hit 'utilizing Reggie properly'. They already have a better slot WR in Bess.
I don't even think Bush is good in space. He takes 10 steps to go 1 yard. He simply just won't head north with the ball. Instead will try to juke a defender, 5 yards away....defender closes gap and stops him dead in his tracks.
He's Eric Metcalf -- don't even know that he's that good.
I don't even think Bush is good in space. He takes 10 steps to go 1 yard. He simply just won't head north with the ball. Instead will try to juke a defender, 5 yards away....defender closes gap and stops him dead in his tracks.
He's Eric Metcalf -- don't even know that he's that good.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Time to get off this wagon. I was even a believer at one point. So he had some ppr fantasy success week one - that still doesn't mean he's a good real life running back. And if you're not good in real life you'll never get continued playing time.
On his 500+ career carries his ypc is 3.9. That's terrible. Clearly Sean Payton is a terrible coach and didn't know how to use him properly.
On his career 300+ receptions he averages 7.3 yards per catch. That is below average. Clearly Drew Brees wasn't capable of giving him the ball.
He fumbles more than many other guys on a per touch basis.
He's even a below average punt returner.
But you want teams to give Bush even MORE work? Why would any coach who isn't terrible give this guy MORE touches? Let's pretend Reggie Bush were named Joe Schmo and he was a 4th round pick. Would he be getting significant playing time? No way in hell. He's a backup player at best.
The only way this guy has fantasy relevance is if he gets an obscene number of touches. And the only way he's going to get that many touches is if the coach is an idiot.
On his 500+ career carries his ypc is 3.9. That's terrible. Clearly Sean Payton is a terrible coach and didn't know how to use him properly.
On his career 300+ receptions he averages 7.3 yards per catch. That is below average. Clearly Drew Brees wasn't capable of giving him the ball.
He fumbles more than many other guys on a per touch basis.
He's even a below average punt returner.
But you want teams to give Bush even MORE work? Why would any coach who isn't terrible give this guy MORE touches? Let's pretend Reggie Bush were named Joe Schmo and he was a 4th round pick. Would he be getting significant playing time? No way in hell. He's a backup player at best.
The only way this guy has fantasy relevance is if he gets an obscene number of touches. And the only way he's going to get that many touches is if the coach is an idiot.
I agree with most of the above.The only thing that matters here is objectively assessing Reggie's fantasy relevance. From that standpoint, he's gone from ADP value play due to a new "feature back" role, to an injured second fiddle in a RBBC where his utilization is not as creative as perhaps a New Orleans or New England.The issue now becomes two-fold: 1) his upside is now capped and 2) his production becomes massively inconsistent. So you can't really start him unless it's at a Flex position if you're desperate / bye week filler or relegate him to the bench until a) they figure out how to use him more effectively or b) Thomas gets injured.But unless you're in a deep league the price you pay is foregoing weekly waiver wire options who have potentially more upside like McCluster, Bernard Scott, Ridley, etc. Or you can't Buy Low on a guy like Deangelo Williams or wait on injured guys like Hernandez / Gates or suspsended guys like Benson.So you must dump him. Personally I like Reggie and really want him to succeed. I enjoyed week 1, but from a FF perspective it is time to move on to guys with more potential.
Sir Chadwick
Footballguy
Sweet! Maybe now I can sell him for more than peanuts on that info alone. I have a feeling after this week he'll be showing up on the WW's.I was looking up to see if there was anything new and it directed me to this little blurb posted at CBS(who i generally NEVER look at for info) still interesting:
Bush to remain No. 1 RB: Miami RB Reggie Bush heads into Week 4 against the Chargers as the No. 1 option in the running game ahead of Daniel Thomas, according to coach Tony Sparano Monday. Bush has 80 rushing yards and has averaged just 2.9 yards per rush thus far after three games. “Reggie’s the No. 1 running back right now,” Sparano said Monday. Bush also feels as if he's being used correctly in the running game. “I feel like I’m being used effectively," Bush said. "When my number is called, I try to make the most of my opportunities. That’s what it is. This isn’t a time to be selfish and worry about individual statistics or carries or touches.”
CBS 09/26/2011
i read this then
this situation =
fightingillini
Footballguy
Should have traded him after Week 1.
I just knew that this would likely happen, just not this fast. Bush just isn't a very good runner, and while a great receiver, MIA doesn't run an offense that can utilize Bush's receiving skills very well. When you have Davone Bess and Brandon Marshall taking short and midrange passes, where do you include Bush? Obviously MIA wants to pound the ball with D Thomas and pass to the WRs.
I just dropped Bush in a league with short rosters and picked up Colston even though he won't be back for 2 weeks. Colston was dropped becuase with only 6 bench positions, you can't afford to hold a guy for a month if he's going to be out.
In most leagues, you just put Bush on the bench and start him only if Thomas is injured and you have to start him.
I just knew that this would likely happen, just not this fast. Bush just isn't a very good runner, and while a great receiver, MIA doesn't run an offense that can utilize Bush's receiving skills very well. When you have Davone Bess and Brandon Marshall taking short and midrange passes, where do you include Bush? Obviously MIA wants to pound the ball with D Thomas and pass to the WRs.
I just dropped Bush in a league with short rosters and picked up Colston even though he won't be back for 2 weeks. Colston was dropped becuase with only 6 bench positions, you can't afford to hold a guy for a month if he's going to be out.
In most leagues, you just put Bush on the bench and start him only if Thomas is injured and you have to start him.
wudaben
Footballguy
I used this news to acquire Daniel Thomas from an owner yesterday for Eli. For those of us who have invested in Reggie I think this week may very well be the last opportunity to sell before outright dropping him!'Sir Chadwick said:Sweet! Maybe now I can sell him for more than peanuts on that info alone. I have a feeling after this week he'll be showing up on the WW's.'lexdizzle said:I was looking up to see if there was anything new and it directed me to this little blurb posted at CBS(who i generally NEVER look at for info) still interesting:
Bush to remain No. 1 RB: Miami RB Reggie Bush heads into Week 4 against the Chargers as the No. 1 option in the running game ahead of Daniel Thomas, according to coach Tony Sparano Monday. Bush has 80 rushing yards and has averaged just 2.9 yards per rush thus far after three games. “Reggie’s the No. 1 running back right now,” Sparano said Monday. Bush also feels as if he's being used correctly in the running game. “I feel like I’m being used effectively," Bush said. "When my number is called, I try to make the most of my opportunities. That’s what it is. This isn’t a time to be selfish and worry about individual statistics or carries or touches.”
CBS 09/26/2011
i read this then
this situation =
Cenobite
Footballguy
He now sits on my bench. Thought he would get at least 4-5 receptions a game and be a solid flex play. Add in some runs and I figured he had some nice potential. Wrong. I will not cut him. Still has value if Thomas falters or his hammy acts up again. Nothing on the ww intrigues me so I'm holding.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Well... it is Sparano, so maybe?'Dr. Awesome said:
BassNBrew
Footballguy
trade for Reggie Bush. It will be by week three, when some gup in your league is dancing around his living room and pummeling you with texts about what a genius he is and how badly he's demolishing you in this week's games due to the explosive stat-compiling machine that is Reggie Bush. It's difficult to recover from that sort of thing. So wise up, because a bird in the hand is worth less than a hawk with the Bush.
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