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Reggie Bush Hype.....Is it bigger (1 Viewer)
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
That's hard to believe since Oklahoma was a premiere school back then, not to mention Barry's Heisman and ridiculous yardage totals. Additionally this is all relative...sports media back then isn't what it is now. Comparing the coverage/hype for any player now to the coverage of the mid 80's is almost like comparing apples to oranges.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Barry went to OSU, not Oklahoma. Doesn't sound like he was hyped that much
Keep in mind too that he was Thurman Thomas back up the year before, so he didn't get as much attention going into the season as Bush.....who had a solid season last year as well as a National Championship.
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Pac-10 is favored in all but one of it's bowl games and SC is a heavy favorite to win its third national title...at least Vegas knows what the hell is going on.scooterg61
Footballguy
bush is very good in NCAA.. but nfl is a big step.. and depending where he goes..he may flop.. look at his stat sheet for the year.. any game of say..20 carries??? most games under ..15?? that dont and wont cut it for a NFL rb.. time wil tell. but i am a skeptic.. he hasnt taken an NFL beating yet.. there are no easy teams to run over in the NFL like in the pac 10 or in NCAA as a whole
LHUCKS
Footballguy
He needs to go to a team that will take advantage of his speed and open field moves.You can't put him on a Baltimore or a Pittsburgh and ask him to be a brusing, workhorse back...at least not right away. Dunn was able to increase his carry totals as he matured and learned how to run smart...the same should be done with Bush.
If I'm an NFL GM I give him the rock about 15 times a game and let him return punts and kickoffs his rookie year. As he learns the pro game and figures out how to avoid the big hits you could then transition him into a workhorse...if that's what your offense needed.
mighty thor
Footballguy
Marcus Allen was not hyped like this. He was the tenth player taken in his draft!Rickey Williams had a lot of hype with Ditka trading his entire draft for his rights.
ETA: I like Bush and he has Faulk like potential but it scares me a little that he is on the best team in the nation. Leinart takes a lot of pressure off of him.
To those who think Leinart should go #1. I don't agree. He is a good QB but he is no Carson Palmer.
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Marc Levin
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What he said.I am older than you, LHUCKS, and I was too young to specifically recall the Barry hype, so I am guessing you don't specifically recall it either.Barry went to OSU, not Oklahoma. Doesn't sound like he was hyped that much
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Yeah...I was guesstimating.What he said.I am older than you, LHUCKS, and I was too young to specifically recall the Barry hype, so I am guessing you don't specifically recall it either.Barry went to OSU, not Oklahoma. Doesn't sound like he was hyped that much
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
He averaged 22.4 touches a game this year and that includes being rested for LenDale and others in the 2nd half of many blowouts. He had 18 carries in the first half against UCLA. He caught 31 passes and returned 41 kicks. If you watch enough of him you realize he is in incredible condition, and one of those backs who gets stronger as the game goes on and defenses get worn out. Maroney who many consider a workhorse had 5 more touches than Bush all year.
Yes, he has a great 0-line. Yes, the leap to the NFL is huge. But, short of injury, I can't see Bush being anything less than very very good. He isn't too small. He can carry the load.
Marc Levin
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I have been preaching for well over a month now that WHOever takes him will use him this way in his first year - one more reason why he will #1 overall regardless of who picks there.Just about every team in the league - and certainly every single team drafting in the top-10 - could use an upgrade of Bush's skill set to the PR/KR team and as a 10-12 carry shot in the arm in year one.
He WILL be a 300 carry a year guy, but he will never be Edge/Jamal Anmdersonand will always need someone else splitting carries.
That said, he will be like LT or Priest in that he will TOUCH the ball 25 times a game and will end up being HUGE in the NFL.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
we forget the Bo Jackson hype b/c his sports career was cut short.Remember the "bo knows" campaigns - he was probably the single most hyped college player of the modern era.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Exactly correct - great argument CC
I played at OU during the Thomas and Sanders years. From a people who get football respect Sanders got his due. He was very much a known. With all respect to Madden he is wrong with that assessment. Not picking on you Marc, as I know you are just relaying the message. Was the national media machine cranking out Sanders interviews and highlights at a constant pace? No, it was not, as football and pre draft coverage was not covered at a 24x7 clip. FF fanatics, sports talk radio and common every day use of the Internet were a couple years away. Football was still a seasonal activity for most fans. As was said, comparing the media coverage for a H. Walker, Jackson or Sanders versus Bush is an apples to oranges transaction but trust that Sanders got plenty of run coming out of school. People knew who he was.
In regards to Bush I can only speak from experience. Sanders had another gear that nobody...NOBODY...on the field had. It was 21 guys moving at one speed and Sanders moving at another. Bush has that it factor. I have not been on the field in pads trying to tackle him but my observation, having watched a few USC games, is you can put that guy in any conference anywhere in Division 1 and Bush does his thing.
As far as making the claim about his superior line and program, if memory serves, every Hesiman winner but Hornung came from a winning program. Hornung is the only winner of the trophy to have played on a losing team. Thus, Bush is the benefactor of the same situation that every other Heisman trophy winner encountered. He played for a stronger program with deeper talent that won football games.
If you coach USC and you are blessed with White, Leinhart and freakish WR talent, why would you force Bush to carry the ball 25-30 times per game; return kicks and catch passes? Why run the risk of injury and or over use? Carroll is playing for a national championship and his limited use of Bush makes sense from a coaching aspect. At a surface level it does not fit nicely into this debate on Bush's viability as a #1 overall pick, opinion, but in a tactical football capacity it makes perfect sense. There were only limited situations that caused Carroll to force feed the ball to Bush. Pretty sure Bush and USC made out ok in all those instances. Thus, it is a little hard to hold that fact against Bush.
The kid's a player. Period.
wannabee
Footballguy
good post Whodat. One thing not many people remember is that Barry was a known commodity before he took over for Thurman. He ran back kicks/punts while waiting his turn, and excelled. Many around Stillwater thought that Barry was better than Thurman that year and bad coach, Pat Jones was giving the veteran Thurman the carries.
Here is an interesting link to some nasty Barry college stats:
http://www.okstate.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB...=143&SPSID=2402
Barry had 16 TDs before he took over as starter. They knew he would be a star.
Here is an interesting link to some nasty Barry college stats:
http://www.okstate.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB...=143&SPSID=2402
Barry had 16 TDs before he took over as starter. They knew he would be a star.
Marc Levin
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Great post Who dat. 
Hands_on_the_Heisman
The Gunslinger
How soon we forget.NOBODY was more hyped coming out of college than Michael Vick. Not even Reggie Bush.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
(edit - talk about short term memory)Bo Jackson was VERY widely hyped - and in TWO sports.
Right as soon as he was drafted by the Cowboys and by whichever baseball team he went to, there were life sized cutouts of him in the grocery stores and he had a slew of advertising deals already in place. (I am old enough to remember the Bo hype first hand)
Noone was more hyped coming out than Bo Jackson - including Michael Vick.
Anmd you are wrong - Bush is getting as much hype NOW as Vick was getting before the NFL draft. The hype machine on Bush hasn't even started yet and he's already one of the most hyped players.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Well, IMO, if Barry or Bo came out now, they'd STILL be #2 behind Mr. Bush.
opinions are like #######s, we all have ours and think they don't stink.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
They said the same think about Tiki. In fact, Tiki was a 3rd down back for his first few years yet he turned out to be a NFL stud. I think Bush will be at least as good.Some trenchant analysis here.
The only one knock on Bush as a pro prospect is his size, and the NFL has proven that there are a handful of special players who are able to compensate for their lack of "prototypical" size: imo Bush is one of those players.
I see no reason why he couldn't be Warrick Dunn x 4.
I actually feel that despite all of the Bush Hype that has been in overdrive post-Fresno State, when push comes to shove and people are getting weighed and measured at the combine, whoever is picking #1 will not be able to resist the allure of taking Leinart (or Young if he comes out) #1. You build teams around QBs, not RBs, and most GMs would go for the QB pick.
Just my opinion.
I also think that Bush will need to be in a RBBC similar to what he is doing now with Lendale White to maximize his potential. And for that reason, I actually also feel he is not worth a top 5 pick if there are better players for a teams needs out there.
As much of a highlight reel as he will be, you don't build a championship team around highlight reels.
Ask Wayne Fonts.
Marc Levin
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Anyone remember the Herscel Walker hype machine? That machine was rolled out early and often his last year in college.
I am with Marc on two points. First, Bo Jackson's media campaign dwarfed anything that was built around Vick. It was/is not even close. Second, If you think the Bush hype is bad right now, wait until a possible Rose Bowl win; great performance or combination of the two in that game paired with his pro day workout results. The 5 days immediately prior to the draft will be nothing but Bush. By mid April I am guessing the human interest stories on Bush will have run so deep that the general public will have intimate knowledge of Bush's uncle's cousin's sister's love life.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
LOL! Do we all get a turn?Sorry
Shermanator
Footballguy
Bush is almost as hyped up as JJ Stokes and Tony Mandarich were.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
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JAA
Footballguy
I think he has done wonders in the USC college system. I dont see that translating to the NFL, nor do I understand how others feel that way.What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
Honestly JAA, then you haven't watched him much this year. He's got VISION...that's what makes great NFL runners. It's instinctive. I wasn't on the Bush bandwagon entering this season, but having a chance to see him play quite a bit this year, how anyone can objectively watch him play and not think he'll be special is honestly beyond me.
Marc Levin
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?????Then you DEFINITELY have not watched him enough. The SYSTEM did not get Bush what he has - Bush got Bush what he has. The SYSTEM gets Bush AND Lendale White to the LB level of the defense. Bush gets Bush past those guys and to the house.I think he has done wonders in the USC college system. I dont see that translating to the NFL, nor do I understand how others feel that way.What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
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Marc Levin
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Nice one.Some people just HAVE TO tear down the #1 guy whoever it is. Bush has broken a ton of tackles and made a ton of plays in traffic this past year, JAA.Hell, every ST play is a play in traffic.
Would it be fair to say that statement could be true of nearly every blue chip, skill position player to hail from a prominent division one program? Honest question, as each plays within the confines of a developed offense scheme. The player is most often recruited to play in said system because of specific skill set matches. The system and athlete are a marriage of design and execution. Thus, the high ratio of success at certain programs. I think (player's name) has done wonders in the (FSU, Florida, Miami, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, LSU, OU, etc...)system but I do not see that translating to the NFL nor do I understand how others feel that way.
Two players immediately come to mind regarding the initial statement by JAA. Those players being M. Faulk and L. Tomlinson. Each played in what was widely considered an inferior athletic conference with many gimmick offenses. Each was slight and not easily defined as a workhouse pounder or scat back. Each has done well despite the perceived knocks.
Peep It Yo!
Footballguy
You obviously haven't watched many USC games then. I have followed Bush since he was a freshman and have seen all of his games live. He is an extraordinary player that has broken MANY tackles and made MANY plays in traffic. You have blinders on...just catch one of his highlight reels and you will see differently. That is, unless you are an SC hater or Bush basher and are just making these comments because you areWhat I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The Dunn comparables are laughable...why do people keep incorrectly labeling Bush as small? He's listed as 205 and I would be surprised if he's not 210+ on his Pro Day.
Bo Jackson was my pick for most hyped...he was so hyped that even after his injury and sparse NFL resume, people still try to bring him up as one of the best RBs ever.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Wow - looks like Jason and I are finally in synch.Over the years, we've been simpatico on players, but have been on opposite sides a lot this year.
mighty thor
Footballguy
You may have been alive while Bo was coming out of college but your memory is apparently hazy.First of all Bo was not drafted by the Cowboys (Tampa Bay).
Secondly, all of those Bo knows Nike commercials came out AFTER Bo had played a couple of years of NFL and Major League Baseball.
Marc Levin
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Yeah - I realized I swapped Herschel and Bo after I posted that.That said, Bo Knows commercials were out during his FIRST year as a pro in both sports - life sized cutouts were ALL OVER the place within a month of him being drafted.I will acknoweldge that my memory of that time period can be a little hazy on the details - I was in my first or second year of college and was probably smoking away any ability to retain details.
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DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
I remember that very clearly. Of course Bo had the big hype that the best college players get each year. But the real hype machine and the "Bo Knows" stuff didn't get going until the baseball/football career was in full swing.The only guys I could compare the Bush hype to is Mike Vick and probably Shaq when he was coming out of school. Thankfully it hasn't reached the Lebron level yet
...and god save us from the media slobber fest if by some miracle Reggie runs under a 4.3 at the combine. I don't think I can handle any more this.
mighty thor
Footballguy
Bo Knows commercials came out in 1989 when Nike intrroduced their cross trainer shoes. Bo's first year playing baseball with KC was 1986 and His first year playing Football for the raiders was 1987. He won the Heisman in 1985. The advertising blitz began after he had played two sports for a couple of years. I remember. I had graduated college in 86 and was no longer in a haze.
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Marc Levin
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The Bo hype was insane when he was coming out of college.That said, I will strongly agree that the Bush hype is closer to the top NBA players than ANY previous college player.Lebron and Shaq are both good analogies - Bush hype will be bigger than LeBron level once March rolls around.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Bo started his NFL career in 1987, correct.I said:
Which is correct.
MyAwesomePrizeAlias
Footballguy
It's not hype when it's real.
this brings to me a question of potential.does anyone think if Bush achieves his potential, he can be comparable to the NFL as Lebron is to the NBA?
I say no WAY.. and that is why he can't live to the hype... the NFL is SO team oriented any jordan-esque situation still doesn't make you a HOFer... see vick...
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
apples and oranges - a single player can have a tremendous impact in basketball - a single player needs a team around him to perform in football.Hype machine comparison is fine - impact on game is not comparable.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
most definitely.
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