I won't lie, I'm getting in on it. So much, in fact, that I want to take him in the first round of a 1 keeper, 10 team league (so, he'd basically be a top 20 pick in a redraft league). I think his skills are that good that it's not a big deal what team he goes too.I don't remember a player being more hyped than him.
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Reggie Bush Hype.....Is it bigger (1 Viewer)
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Biggest hype ever? Possibly...it's unusual when you hear NFL pundits [who usually don't pontificate about the draft until much closer to April] making such universally declarative statements about Bush being the hands down only option as the 1st overall choice. But in this case, barring injury, I think the hype is justified. 
tombonneau
Footballguy
Some trenchant analysis here. 
The only one knock on Bush as a pro prospect is his size, and the NFL has proven that there are a handful of special players who are able to compensate for their lack of "prototypical" size: imo Bush is one of those players.I see no reason why he couldn't be Warrick Dunn x 4.I actually feel that despite all of the Bush Hype that has been in overdrive post-Fresno State, when push comes to shove and people are getting weighed and measured at the combine, whoever is picking #1 will not be able to resist the allure of taking Leinart (or Young if he comes out) #1. You build teams around QBs, not RBs, and most GMs would go for the QB pick.Just my opinion.I also think that Bush will need to be in a RBBC similar to what he is doing now with Lendale White to maximize his potential. And for that reason, I actually also feel he is not worth a top 5 pick if there are better players for a teams needs out there. As much of a highlight reel as he will be, you don't build a championship team around highlight reels.Ask Wayne Fonts.
The only one knock on Bush as a pro prospect is his size, and the NFL has proven that there are a handful of special players who are able to compensate for their lack of "prototypical" size: imo Bush is one of those players.I see no reason why he couldn't be Warrick Dunn x 4.I actually feel that despite all of the Bush Hype that has been in overdrive post-Fresno State, when push comes to shove and people are getting weighed and measured at the combine, whoever is picking #1 will not be able to resist the allure of taking Leinart (or Young if he comes out) #1. You build teams around QBs, not RBs, and most GMs would go for the QB pick.Just my opinion.I also think that Bush will need to be in a RBBC similar to what he is doing now with Lendale White to maximize his potential. And for that reason, I actually also feel he is not worth a top 5 pick if there are better players for a teams needs out there. As much of a highlight reel as he will be, you don't build a championship team around highlight reels.Ask Wayne Fonts.
JAA
Footballguy
What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL. 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Bo Jackson was the man. Stupid Bengals.
ren hoek
Footballguy
What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
The size question is unfounded. He'll enter the draft at the same size Tomlinson did. If anything he'll be bigger. He is already stronger than Tomlinson was at the same age. When I say stronger, I'm referring to weight room strength. LaDainian worked out at the combine at 5-11 205. Reggie is not 6-0. He's 5-11. He'll probably weigh exactly what Tomlinson did at the same age, and like LT and Portis he will be exceptional while young and still filling out, but he will beef up a little every year until he's 26-27 years old.
This is very common with RBs, btw.
valhallan
Footballguy
I agree with the previous comments about Bush not having to break tackles at USC. I'd like to see him make some hard runs through holes that aren't the size of Kansas before annointing him the next NFL stud.Also agree with taking Leinart first.. RBs are a bit more plentiful than QBs, and you have to like a guy with Carson Palmer's pedigree.
vandy73
Footballguy
Bush is hyped tremendously IMO. I find it funny that Lienart was conisdered the Golden Boy not that long ago...a QB that could lead a team to Super Bowls and he's fallen off the radar after having another great college season. Bush will be a good but i think there may be some other good backs in this draft. I really wouldnt be surprised if he is picked in the first round of a redraft league. I gotta say i might be tempted to draft him in mine knowing the trends of who is kept year after year. It would be a late 1st rounder.
bagger.
The One Play Quiz
What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles.
You obviously haven't seen much of him then.He's stiff armed a few guys to get them off him.
Besides, why go through people when you can juke them and leave them in the dust?
I saw Marshall Faulk live in college as I did Bush. Bush is the next Marshall Faulk, the kind of 1k/1k back that Faulk was a few years ago.
A year ago I thought White would be a better pro prospect than Bush. Bush this year has turned it up a few notches, and while I think White will be a very good NFL back (more traditional), Bush is something special.
Seeing him on TV does not do him justice.
3nOut
Footballguy
I am tempted to do the same. I play in a keeper league where we can keep one player per position and am in the lottery for first overall pick. With the top 12 (usually) backs and WRs already off the board as keepers, there are slim pickings even in the first round. I once read an FBG article (forgot who wrote it) talking about how he would rather take chances and have a team on paper the scared everyone in his league, rather than drafting conservatively and just having a solid team. I am considering taking a chance and selecting Bush if he falls to me. If he end up being a notch below LT and Alexander in a year or two, it may be worth the wait to get into my FF SB. Also, I've only seen him play once, against UCLA. From what i saw, I can understand the hype. Not only did he run around his opponents, he broke tackles AND he had the strength to carry a few tacklers a few times to get extra yards.
Does anyone know what his charcter is like? In his Heisman speech, he seemed sincere and like a 'nice guy'. Is this true?
Doug B
Footballguy
B. Simms, H. Walker, M. Allen, Bo Jackson and to a certain degree B. Sanders all had hype equal to Bush's. The only difference being that 3 of those 5 came prior to the revolution of 24x7 programming and the Internet.H. Walker and B. Jackson were just as highly regarded coming out of school.Edit to add John Elway. Every team in the NFL made an attempt to obtain the rights to draft him.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
Honestly JAA, then you haven't watched him much this year. He's got VISION...that's what makes great NFL runners. It's instinctive. I wasn't on the Bush bandwagon entering this season, but having a chance to see him play quite a bit this year, how anyone can objectively watch him play and not think he'll be special is honestly beyond me.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Wow, I guess you were blinking when he makes the 3-4 moves in traffic every week that springs him into the open field.What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Anybody know of some clips of Bush making nice runs in traffic? I have yet to see this great vision that people are speaking of. The only time I've seen him run, admittedly, are from the highlights of his game against Fresno State. I still can't see this guy warranting the #1 overall selection for a team like the Texans.
at basing facts on highlights from one game.
ren hoek
Footballguy
I've only got what I've read about him so far to go off of, and what little I have seen of him. And based on what I have read, particularly on these boards, it sounds like the dude's got huge, gaping lanes to run through every down. I'd bet that USC has one of the most dominating offensive lines in college football.Wow, I guess you were blinking when he makes the 3-4 moves in traffic every week that springs him into the open field.What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
Seriously, I got a project for you. Go to your local newstand and look at pg. 26 in ESPN the magazine with Eli on the cover. Then come back and let me know what you think.I've only got what I've read about him so far to go off of, and what little I have seen of him. And based on what I have read, particularly on these boards, it sounds like the dude's got huge, gaping lanes to run through every down. I'd bet that USC has one of the most dominating offensive lines in college football.Wow, I guess you were blinking when he makes the 3-4 moves in traffic every week that springs him into the open field.What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
Completely agree. People who are not liking this guys game knock him as being only a highlight reel yet all they have seen of him is the highlight reel. I also felt that up until this season he might be leaning more towards the Peter Warrick player than a Marshall Faulk type. However having watched him this season compared to last you can see how much more of a physical runner he has become...I'm sure some of the weight has helped but the stiff arm has become a huge weapon for him this season as well. That said I still believe because of the hype he can only be a bust. Already being called the greatest rb EVER by several pro analysts and the constant comparisons to Barry and Sayers? I think anything less than what Dickerson did in his first 2 or 3 seasons in the NFL will be considered a bust by many people. I doubt he could live up to that kinda hype under that kind of pressure...Mike Vick hasn't and I think it will be just as difficult for Bush. It'll be interesting to see.What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
-OZ-
Footballguy
You had me up to this point. Without hijacking this thing too much, why exactly do you not think Vick has lived up to the hype? What more do you want from the guy? We knew he wasn't the best passer, but he wins games. Just my opinion, but if you put Bush on the list of "most hyped players" -
Barry Sanders
Michael Vick
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Marshall Faulk
He's in damn good company, each of these guys have lived up to expectations IMO.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
You are correct, of course. Right now, of the three players who are possible #1 overall picks, Bush is being anointed because despite the doubts expressed in this thread, there's really no doubts about him. He runs very hard through the tackles. He breaks tackles as much as LenDale does. He even drags defenders for extra yards. He makes something out of nothing like Barry, Marshall and LaDainian did. His vision is extraordinary (best I have seen). His acceleration is off the charts. There's no need to praise his agility, balance and moves-- they're on the highlights anyone can see. His receiving ability may also be the best I have seen also. He has legit WR skills down the field.
The other two possibilities, however, play positions with more pressing NFL supply and demand curves. They just have legitimate doubts surrounding their potential. Should D'Brick ease all doubts in testing, he could go first. Franchise LTs are very hard to find. I think this is a major longshot. D'Brick's size/strength concerns are much more legit than Reggie's. He recently weighed in at 285, and it's been suggested the 295 he beefed up to last summer is his max. That will downgrade him if true. He needs a dominant week at the Senior Bowl to hold of McNeill and Winston as it is.
If Leinart can prove arm strength isn't an issue, then he could go first also. There is a very good chance that Matt goes before Reggie despite all this December hype. Some team will move up for a potential franchise QB who is a much more valuable NFL commodity than a potential great RB. Leinart, who I've criticised in detail, is throwing the ball with more velocity late in the season than he was a couple months ago (the UCLA game was ugly though). Maybe the tendinitis surgery wasn't fully healed early on.
diesel7982
Footballguy
I think its hard to include Peyton without including Leaf.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Dunn is 5'8" and 180.Bush is 6'0" 200 lbs.And he's only 20 years old - he'll add 20 pounds of muscle be as prototyically sized as they come.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Last night Madden said that Barry didn't get anywhere near the hype that Bush is currently getting.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Wow, I guess you were blinking when he makes the 3-4 moves in traffic every week that springs him into the open field.What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
It is obvious who has actually WATCHED Bush play and who only has highlights and what they read to go on.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
p.s. - the BEST analogy for what Bush looks like running the ball is Gale Sayers - not Warrick Dunn. He is nnot Gale Sayers, though - he is a singular talent and in 20 years, folks will strain to compare upcoming RB prospects to him.
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
I didn't say Bush wouldn't be good or that Mike Vick is not good. What I said is that can they live up to the unbelievable hype...and no Mike Vick has not lived up to the hype. Has he been productive? Yes.
Has he been good for his team? Yes.
Would you say that he has ever been the best player in the league at his position? No Would you say he's a hall of famer? No.
I notice you sandwiched Mike Vick in between some HOFers...does he really belong there? Has he really been the god he was supposed to be?
He's great to watch sometimes if you like spectacular highlights but he can be awful to watch many more times if you enjoy quality QB play.
I'm saying If you hype a player to be the greatest and they are just really good..then thats overhype and its something that is difficult to live up to...
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
It's the biggest hype to ever hit my dynasty league. One team has already offered the #2, #5, #8 and #12 rookie picks for the #1.
Spike
Footballguy
I have both watched him play AND watched highlights and, you know what?, I cannot tell the difference!Wow, I guess you were blinking when he makes the 3-4 moves in traffic every week that springs him into the open field.What I dont like about Bush's college career is I never see him break tackles. I never see him making plays in traffic. The only highlight reels I see of Reggie Bush are out running college football players who argueably arent even any good considering who USC has played. Bush runs well around corners, bush runs well in the open field. I dont see much else and I expect he will have a rude awakening in the NFL.
