Reggie Bush is a slightly better than avg rb in the NFL (1 Viewer)

[switz]

I really don't know what to make of Bush. I was one of the few who were reserved about his NFL potential coming out of college, but I thought he'd be more of a factor in the real world. Even his yards per catch are very ordinary. In short, he's not as elusive as advertised & he doesn't break tackles. Pierre Thomas is their best back, IMO, & I believe Thomas' touches could go up exponentially next season.

I seriously feel like this thread is out of the Twilight Zone... Bush just went 13-64, or 4.9YPC.... and people are in here saying he's a bust.And then on the "injury prone" label... how many games has Bush missed?

And then people are in here talking about MJD - didn't he just average less YPC (4.7) this week?

I just don't get it. Bush isn't ADP, no one else is ADP but ADP, but Bush doesn't suck.

Hmmmm....MJD in my non-PPR league just went ahead of the Pepsi/Nike/Subway promoting Bush. Bush is the starter. MJD is the backup. Yeah, Bush is the better back. Yeah, MJD shouldn't be mentioned here because he is the better RB by about a mile and a half. For all you of you with the Bush Man Love and the MJD Man Hate (Switz), when Deuce comes back will Bush be the RB1? When Fred Taylor retires will the Jags draft someone to be the RB1? If you answer anything but no to these questions then you are an absolute fool. N.O. needs to kill the clock against the Bucs and they call a gadget play because they have a WR playing RB and know they can't get any yards up the middle and lose the game because of the bad toss by Bush? Ron Dayne is the better RB than Bush. At least that brutha can hit a hole and run between the tackles.

The guy is mediocre as a RB. Hella WR. Average at best RB. And please do not quote stats from one game and then relate those stats which are .2 higher than MJD's for one game and even pretend like that is a statistically significant difference. If you can explain 'statistically significant' or 'power' when it comes to stats without going to wikipedia or some other knowledge base I will applaud you. But since you brought up outliers and compared them like they have some bearing on the overall debate I'm willing to bet the closest you ever got to a collegiate stats class was when you swept the halls outside of one....

Well you email me this link so I guess you want me to get in the arguement Scotty. While I'll admit I have been alittle disappointed in Bush the last 2 weeks he is still having a nice season. The only reason MJD is finally ranked ahead of him is td's. Reggie is still outgaining him in total yards by about 100 yards (Reggie does have 70 more touches though). Before the last 2 weeks Reggie had been looking really good and I don't know why but the last 2 weeks he has definelty looked subpar, not enough to make me jump off the bandwagon thoguh. He has however had a better ypc this year than last while carrying the load himself. MJD does have the advantage of coming in fresh for goalline touches. We will see who gets the sig bet at the end of the year i guess.

and to answer your ? YES Reggie will be the #1 IF Deuce comes back.

What has he done to earn that role? Would it be his whopping 51 rushing yards a game in the 10 games he has started? Or the sub 4.0 YPC? But he's a great receiver, right? That whopping 5.7 YPC in the air is impressive. BTW, Bush's 5.7 YPC on catches is what Drew averaged on the ground last year. He's come down to earth and has dropped a full yard to 4.7 this year and is still a yard higher than Bush. Oh, MJD averages 9.6 yards per catch....Once Deuce is 100% he will start. N.O. just can't gadget itself to 10 wins and Bush can't run between the tackles.

That is so wrong, I don't even know where to begin with refuting it... in fact, where Bush has failed miserably in the NFL is NOT between the tackles, but in running sweeps. I could tell you that, but here are the stats:

ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	REC	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD	FUM	LSTRight Side	32	117	3.7	10	1	17	52	3.1	18	1	0	0Left Side	47	177	3.8	14	2	15	89	5.9	12	0	1	0Middle	32	142	4.4	22	0	9	51	5.7	12	0	4	3Left Sideline	16	55	3.4	22	0	16	106	6.6	25	1	0	0Right Sideline	30	90	3.0	11	1	16	119	7.4	16	0	2	0

Also look at the number of passes that he gets in a position where he can't do anything about it. I don't think Bush is living up to the hype, but at the same time he's not as bad as the playcalling makes him look.

 

[switz]

He apparently is having a hard time accepting being average.

http://www.sunherald.com/251/story/227816.html

I love the part about the learning curve.

Maybe he can get AD to help him "learn" how to be a "RB". AD sure has "learned" how to play RB in the NFL real quick.

ADP plays behind the Best Run Blocking Line in the league... watch videos of him this season; Trucks can drive though those holes. A lot of people don't take that into cosideration. Not saying that ADP is just a product of a great Run Blocking O-Line... but it certainly helps him out.

Look no further than Chester Taylor to see how good MIN's line is this season. It's like Wisconsin's line when Dayne was there.

 

[sib]

He apparently is having a hard time accepting being average.

http://www.sunherald.com/251/story/227816.html

I love the part about the learning curve.Maybe he can get AD to help him "learn" how to be a "RB". AD sure has "learned" how to play RB in the NFL real quick.

"Dejected after his errant pitch to Devery Henderson on a reverse ended up costing the Saints a likely victory over the NFC South leaders, Bush started making his way to the locker room with six seconds left in the game.The rest of the Saints offense prepared to take the field, and Sean Payton couldn't find Bush. He walked briskly down the sideline and used some choice words to inform Bush to step back on the field.

Bush caught a 13-yard pass and ran out of bounds with three seconds remaining"

2 points for me in my PPR league right there

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't know if I want to take the opinion of someone who one second says Reggie is a "Hella" wr and then the next day questions being an avg. wr. Make up your mind Scotty is a "Hella" wr or an unimpressive wr only avgeraging a "whopping 5.7 ypc"? How can you convince others on your opinons and call others fools when you don'tt even know where you stand?

Well, sorry, I went and looked more closely at his receiving stats and it turns out he doesn't do much as a WR except get targeted a lot. He catches a lot of balls but doesn't seem to break any tackles or show that elusiveness that someone who can supposedly "score from anywhere on the field" should have. But all you have to to refute all of those stats is the fact that I once gave him props for his receiving skills and now think those aren't all that great? Nice job. Your debating skills are about as good as Bush's RB skills....

 

[KoolKat]

He's the number 6 RB in my league, only two points behind McGahee at number 5. He is averaging 16 points a game.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

He's the number 6 RB in my league, only two points behind McGahee at number 5. He is averaging 16 points a game.

Wait, what's this thread about again?

 

[Banger]

I don't know if I want to take the opinion of someone who one second says Reggie is a "Hella" wr and then the next day questions being an avg. wr. Make up your mind Scotty is a "Hella" wr or an unimpressive wr only avgeraging a "whopping 5.7 ypc"? How can you convince others on your opinons and call others fools when you don'tt even know where you stand?

Well, sorry, I went and looked more closely at his receiving stats and it turns out he doesn't do much as a WR except get targeted a lot. He catches a lot of balls but doesn't seem to break any tackles or show that elusiveness that someone who can supposedly "score from anywhere on the field" should have. But all you have to to refute all of those stats is the fact that I once gave him props for his receiving skills and now think those aren't all that great? Nice job. Your debating skills are about as good as Bush's RB skills....

It's funny that he has the score from anywhere on the field rep but he doesn't have a catch/run for more than 25 yards this year.

 

[MarcO]

He apparently is having a hard time accepting being average.

http://www.sunherald.com/251/story/227816.html

I love the part about the learning curve.

Maybe he can get AD to help him "learn" how to be a "RB". AD sure has "learned" how to play RB in the NFL real quick.

ADP plays behind the Best Run Blocking Line in the league... watch videos of him this season; Trucks can drive though those holes. A lot of people don't take that into cosideration. Not saying that ADP is just a product of a great Run Blocking O-Line... but it certainly helps him out.

Look no further than Chester Taylor to see how good MIN's line is this season. It's like Wisconsin's line when Dayne was there.

 

[Blackjacks]

I don't know if I want to take the opinion of someone who one second says Reggie is a "Hella" wr and then the next day questions being an avg. wr. Make up your mind Scotty is a "Hella" wr or an unimpressive wr only avgeraging a "whopping 5.7 ypc"? How can you convince others on your opinons and call others fools when you don'tt even know where you stand?

Well, sorry, I went and looked more closely at his receiving stats and it turns out he doesn't do much as a WR except get targeted a lot. He catches a lot of balls but doesn't seem to break any tackles or show that elusiveness that someone who can supposedly "score from anywhere on the field" should have. But all you have to to refute all of those stats is the fact that I once gave him props for his receiving skills and now think those aren't all that great? Nice job. Your debating skills are about as good as Bush's RB skills....

So how are my debating skills not good if your apologizing for what you said and admitting your wrong? I think you should lighten up Francis. Your being awful hard on a guy who is still in the top ten in fantasy scoring which is really what most of us care about.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I don't know if I want to take the opinion of someone who one second says Reggie is a "Hella" wr and then the next day questions being an avg. wr. Make up your mind Scotty is a "Hella" wr or an unimpressive wr only avgeraging a "whopping 5.7 ypc"? How can you convince others on your opinons and call others fools when you don'tt even know where you stand?

Well, sorry, I went and looked more closely at his receiving stats and it turns out he doesn't do much as a WR except get targeted a lot. He catches a lot of balls but doesn't seem to break any tackles or show that elusiveness that someone who can supposedly "score from anywhere on the field" should have. But all you have to to refute all of those stats is the fact that I once gave him props for his receiving skills and now think those aren't all that great? Nice job. Your debating skills are about as good as Bush's RB skills....

It's funny that he has the score from anywhere on the field rep but he doesn't have a catch/run for more than 25 yards this year.

Reggie Bush can score from anywhere on the field as long as he is within 25 yards of the endzone.

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't know if I want to take the opinion of someone who one second says Reggie is a "Hella" wr and then the next day questions being an avg. wr. Make up your mind Scotty is a "Hella" wr or an unimpressive wr only avgeraging a "whopping 5.7 ypc"? How can you convince others on your opinons and call others fools when you don'tt even know where you stand?

Well, sorry, I went and looked more closely at his receiving stats and it turns out he doesn't do much as a WR except get targeted a lot. He catches a lot of balls but doesn't seem to break any tackles or show that elusiveness that someone who can supposedly "score from anywhere on the field" should have. But all you have to to refute all of those stats is the fact that I once gave him props for his receiving skills and now think those aren't all that great? Nice job. Your debating skills are about as good as Bush's RB skills....

So how are my debating skills not good if your apologizing for what you said and admitting your wrong? I think you should lighten up Francis. Your being awful hard on a guy who is still in the top ten in fantasy scoring which is really what most of us care about.

Getting me to admit I was wrong about Reggie in saying he is actually WORSE than I thought he was proves that your debating skills are even worse than I thought they were. You might need someone to explain that sentence to you since you think your debating skills are top notch because you got me to "admit I was wrong."

 

[qimqam]

He's the number 6 RB in my league, only two points behind McGahee at number 5. He is averaging 16 points a game.

Further proof that PPR leagues are as disgraceful as Reggie Bush's RB skills.

 

[Liquid Tension]

still standing behind my prediction that he will never rush for 1300 yards in a season from last year.although, he did get his ypc up to 3.7 after today's game

Put him behind Minnesota's line and people would be talking about how great he is.My point is to say the NO line is not a run blocking machine and criticizing Bush is a little unfair. I will say that his vision/elusiveness/ability to break tackles has been off a lot of this year and that surprised me because that was one of his strengths (I thought) before this year. There have been many times in the open field where I thought he should have been able to get around one guy and did not. I think the knock that he can't run inside is not that valid though.He is still a weapon.

 

[Liquid Tension]

He's the number 6 RB in my league, only two points behind McGahee at number 5. He is averaging 16 points a game.

Further proof that PPR leagues are as disgraceful as Reggie Bush's RB skills.

agreed about the PPR. While PPR should not exist, rb's should most definitely not be part of it if they do.

 

[TheFanatic]

still standing behind my prediction that he will never rush for 1300 yards in a season from last year.although, he did get his ypc up to 3.7 after today's game

Put him behind Minnesota's line and people would be talking about how great he is.My point is to say the NO line is not a run blocking machine and criticizing Bush is a little unfair. I will say that his vision/elusiveness/ability to break tackles has been off a lot of this year and that surprised me because that was one of his strengths (I thought) before this year. There have been many times in the open field where I thought he should have been able to get around one guy and did not. I think the knock that he can't run inside is not that valid though.He is still a weapon.

Please explain his Yards Per Catch. The line is blocking for him once he pulls down a pass. It's his elusiveness/vision against the line backers and the 2ndary...

 

[Blackjacks]

I don't know if I want to take the opinion of someone who one second says Reggie is a "Hella" wr and then the next day questions being an avg. wr. Make up your mind Scotty is a "Hella" wr or an unimpressive wr only avgeraging a "whopping 5.7 ypc"? How can you convince others on your opinons and call others fools when you don'tt even know where you stand?

Well, sorry, I went and looked more closely at his receiving stats and it turns out he doesn't do much as a WR except get targeted a lot. He catches a lot of balls but doesn't seem to break any tackles or show that elusiveness that someone who can supposedly "score from anywhere on the field" should have. But all you have to to refute all of those stats is the fact that I once gave him props for his receiving skills and now think those aren't all that great? Nice job. Your debating skills are about as good as Bush's RB skills....

So how are my debating skills not good if your apologizing for what you said and admitting your wrong? I think you should lighten up Francis. Your being awful hard on a guy who is still in the top ten in fantasy scoring which is really what most of us care about.

Getting me to admit I was wrong about Reggie in saying he is actually WORSE than I thought he was proves that your debating skills are even worse than I thought they were. You might need someone to explain that sentence to you since you think your debating skills are top notch because you got me to "admit I was wrong."

blah..blah..blah

 

[Liquid Tension]

still standing behind my prediction that he will never rush for 1300 yards in a season from last year.although, he did get his ypc up to 3.7 after today's game

Put him behind Minnesota's line and people would be talking about how great he is.My point is to say the NO line is not a run blocking machine and criticizing Bush is a little unfair. I will say that his vision/elusiveness/ability to break tackles has been off a lot of this year and that surprised me because that was one of his strengths (I thought) before this year. There have been many times in the open field where I thought he should have been able to get around one guy and did not. I think the knock that he can't run inside is not that valid though.He is still a weapon.

Please explain his Yards Per Catch. The line is blocking for him once he pulls down a pass. It's his elusiveness/vision against the line backers and the 2ndary...

I am not saying he has been as good as advertised, but I have seen him catch passes for losses where two guys are on him. I hope you are not saying he isn't a threat that needs to be accounted for because that would be incorrect. He is still a weapon even if not Westbrook.

 

[Wadsworth]

If the draft was held today, is Bush still the first RB taken?

1. 1 2 Reggie Bush USC New Orleans Saints

2. 1 21 Laurence Maroney Minnesota New England Patriots

3. 1 27 DeAngelo Williams Memphis Carolina Panthers

4. 1 30 Joseph Addai Louisiana State Indianapolis Colts

5. 2 45 LenDale White USC Tennessee Titans

6. 2 60 Maurice Jones-Drew UCLA Jacksonville Jaguars

7. 3 74 Brian Calhoun Wisconsin Detroit Lions

8. 3 79 Jerious Norwood Mississippi State Atlanta Falcons

9. 4 100 Michael Robinson Penn State San Francisco 49ers

10. 4 106 Garrett Mills Tulsa New England Patriots

11. 4 117 Leon Washington Florida State New York Jets

Bush has had a lot of touches, but what has he proven beyond quieting some durability concerns?. Could Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood for example do what Bush is doing in NO given the same opportunities?

 

[monkeysee]

Not a big enough sample size.

 

[Blackjacks]

If the draft was held today, is Bush still the first RB taken?

1. 1 2 Reggie Bush USC New Orleans Saints

2. 1 21 Laurence Maroney Minnesota New England Patriots

3. 1 27 DeAngelo Williams Memphis Carolina Panthers

4. 1 30 Joseph Addai Louisiana State Indianapolis Colts

5. 2 45 LenDale White USC Tennessee Titans

6. 2 60 Maurice Jones-Drew UCLA Jacksonville Jaguars

7. 3 74 Brian Calhoun Wisconsin Detroit Lions

8. 3 79 Jerious Norwood Mississippi State Atlanta Falcons

9. 4 100 Michael Robinson Penn State San Francisco 49ers

10. 4 106 Garrett Mills Tulsa New England Patriots

11. 4 117 Leon Washington Florida State New York Jets

Bush has had a lot of touches, but what has he proven beyond quieting some durability concerns?. Could Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood for example do what Bush is doing in NO given the same opportunities?

No

 

[Tibereas]

He's the number 6 RB in my league, only two points behind McGahee at number 5. He is averaging 16 points a game.

Further proof that PPR leagues are as disgraceful as Reggie Bush's RB skills.

Simple solution. Reward bonus points @ 15, 20, 25, and 30 carries. Reggie is RB # 12 in my league. Reward the workhorse as well as the rec RB.

 

[qimqam]

He's the number 6 RB in my league, only two points behind McGahee at number 5. He is averaging 16 points a game.

Further proof that PPR leagues are as disgraceful as Reggie Bush's RB skills.

Simple solution. Reward bonus points @ 15, 20, 25, and 30 carries. Reggie is RB # 12 in my league. Reward the workhorse as well as the rec RB.

Then why not award QBs for pass attempts , WR for # of Targets and K for Filed goal attemptsBetter solution. Reward performance only

 

[Bri]

If the draft was held today, is Bush still the first RB taken?

1. 1 2 Reggie Bush USC New Orleans Saints

2. 1 21 Laurence Maroney Minnesota New England Patriots

3. 1 27 DeAngelo Williams Memphis Carolina Panthers

4. 1 30 Joseph Addai Louisiana State Indianapolis Colts

5. 2 45 LenDale White USC Tennessee Titans

6. 2 60 Maurice Jones-Drew UCLA Jacksonville Jaguars

7. 3 74 Brian Calhoun Wisconsin Detroit Lions

8. 3 79 Jerious Norwood Mississippi State Atlanta Falcons

9. 4 100 Michael Robinson Penn State San Francisco 49ers

10. 4 106 Garrett Mills Tulsa New England Patriots

11. 4 117 Leon Washington Florida State New York Jets

Bush has had a lot of touches, but what has he proven beyond quieting some durability concerns?. Could Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood for example do what Bush is doing in NO given the same opportunities?

Garrett Mills being on there is comical4 thru 6 should bump 2 and 3.

Leon should be 7.

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't know if I want to take the opinion of someone who one second says Reggie is a "Hella" wr and then the next day questions being an avg. wr. Make up your mind Scotty is a "Hella" wr or an unimpressive wr only avgeraging a "whopping 5.7 ypc"? How can you convince others on your opinons and call others fools when you don'tt even know where you stand?

Well, sorry, I went and looked more closely at his receiving stats and it turns out he doesn't do much as a WR except get targeted a lot. He catches a lot of balls but doesn't seem to break any tackles or show that elusiveness that someone who can supposedly "score from anywhere on the field" should have. But all you have to to refute all of those stats is the fact that I once gave him props for his receiving skills and now think those aren't all that great? Nice job. Your debating skills are about as good as Bush's RB skills....

So how are my debating skills not good if your apologizing for what you said and admitting your wrong? I think you should lighten up Francis. Your being awful hard on a guy who is still in the top ten in fantasy scoring which is really what most of us care about.

Getting me to admit I was wrong about Reggie in saying he is actually WORSE than I thought he was proves that your debating skills are even worse than I thought they were. You might need someone to explain that sentence to you since you think your debating skills are top notch because you got me to "admit I was wrong."

blah..blah..blah

Profound...

 

[TheFanatic]

If the draft was held today, is Bush still the first RB taken?

1. 1 2 Reggie Bush USC New Orleans Saints

2. 1 21 Laurence Maroney Minnesota New England Patriots

3. 1 27 DeAngelo Williams Memphis Carolina Panthers

4. 1 30 Joseph Addai Louisiana State Indianapolis Colts

5. 2 45 LenDale White USC Tennessee Titans

6. 2 60 Maurice Jones-Drew UCLA Jacksonville Jaguars

7. 3 74 Brian Calhoun Wisconsin Detroit Lions

8. 3 79 Jerious Norwood Mississippi State Atlanta Falcons

9. 4 100 Michael Robinson Penn State San Francisco 49ers

10. 4 106 Garrett Mills Tulsa New England Patriots

11. 4 117 Leon Washington Florida State New York Jets

Bush has had a lot of touches, but what has he proven beyond quieting some durability concerns?. Could Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood for example do what Bush is doing in NO given the same opportunities?

No

Another profound statement. Just an opinion from a guy with man-love from Bush....That really holds a lot of credence...To actually back up the statement with more than a one word biased opinion...I would say Norwood would be money with that many touches. That kid has shown a ton of promise and explosiveness with what limited touches he has had. Leon? I think he is still a bit raw but with that many touches he could get polished pretty quickly....

 

[TheFanatic]

still standing behind my prediction that he will never rush for 1300 yards in a season from last year.although, he did get his ypc up to 3.7 after today's game

Put him behind Minnesota's line and people would be talking about how great he is.My point is to say the NO line is not a run blocking machine and criticizing Bush is a little unfair. I will say that his vision/elusiveness/ability to break tackles has been off a lot of this year and that surprised me because that was one of his strengths (I thought) before this year. There have been many times in the open field where I thought he should have been able to get around one guy and did not. I think the knock that he can't run inside is not that valid though.He is still a weapon.

Please explain his Yards Per Catch. The line is blocking for him once he pulls down a pass. It's his elusiveness/vision against the line backers and the 2ndary...

I am not saying he has been as good as advertised, but I have seen him catch passes for losses where two guys are on him. I hope you are not saying he isn't a threat that needs to be accounted for because that would be incorrect. He is still a weapon even if not Westbrook.

Obviously he is a weapon. He doesn't get to suit up in the NFL if he isn't a weapon. He just isn't as much of a weapon as everyone was led to believe. Blowing through gigantic holes in college and running though Pac 10 D's is one thing. Running through tiny gaps and dealing with NFL Linebackers is quite another. Guys that played linebacker in college are playing safety in the pros. It's another level of speed that matches Reggies and thus he is just an average player rather than a guy who can score from anywhere. Sure he can score from anywhere, as long as it's 5.7 yards out on average....

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

If the draft was held today, is Bush still the first RB taken?

1. 1 2 Reggie Bush USC New Orleans Saints

2. 1 21 Laurence Maroney Minnesota New England Patriots

3. 1 27 DeAngelo Williams Memphis Carolina Panthers

4. 1 30 Joseph Addai Louisiana State Indianapolis Colts

5. 2 45 LenDale White USC Tennessee Titans

6. 2 60 Maurice Jones-Drew UCLA Jacksonville Jaguars

7. 3 74 Brian Calhoun Wisconsin Detroit Lions

8. 3 79 Jerious Norwood Mississippi State Atlanta Falcons

9. 4 100 Michael Robinson Penn State San Francisco 49ers

10. 4 106 Garrett Mills Tulsa New England Patriots

11. 4 117 Leon Washington Florida State New York Jets

Bush has had a lot of touches, but what has he proven beyond quieting some durability concerns?. Could Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood for example do what Bush is doing in NO given the same opportunities?

Joseph Addai would almost certainly go first. After that I'd think you can make a strong case for MJD going #2. Really, none of these guys are looking like top of the 1st round material outside of Addai.

 

[gadkins]

Bush on the Colts would be gold.

 

[happy_donut]

If the draft was held today, is Bush still the first RB taken?

1. 1 2 Reggie Bush USC New Orleans Saints

2. 1 21 Laurence Maroney Minnesota New England Patriots

3. 1 27 DeAngelo Williams Memphis Carolina Panthers

4. 1 30 Joseph Addai Louisiana State Indianapolis Colts

5. 2 45 LenDale White USC Tennessee Titans

6. 2 60 Maurice Jones-Drew UCLA Jacksonville Jaguars

7. 3 74 Brian Calhoun Wisconsin Detroit Lions

8. 3 79 Jerious Norwood Mississippi State Atlanta Falcons

9. 4 100 Michael Robinson Penn State San Francisco 49ers

10. 4 106 Garrett Mills Tulsa New England Patriots

11. 4 117 Leon Washington Florida State New York Jets

Bush has had a lot of touches, but what has he proven beyond quieting some durability concerns?. Could Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood for example do what Bush is doing in NO given the same opportunities?

Joseph Addai would almost certainly go first. After that I'd think you can make a strong case for MJD going #2. Really, none of these guys are looking like top of the 1st round material outside of Addai.

Bush on the Colts would be gold.

I was just thinking the same thing. What would Addai be on N.O.?Edited to add: What would Addai be on HOU?

 

[switz]

still standing behind my prediction that he will never rush for 1300 yards in a season from last year.although, he did get his ypc up to 3.7 after today's game

Put him behind Minnesota's line and people would be talking about how great he is.My point is to say the NO line is not a run blocking machine and criticizing Bush is a little unfair. I will say that his vision/elusiveness/ability to break tackles has been off a lot of this year and that surprised me because that was one of his strengths (I thought) before this year. There have been many times in the open field where I thought he should have been able to get around one guy and did not. I think the knock that he can't run inside is not that valid though.He is still a weapon.

Please explain his Yards Per Catch. The line is blocking for him once he pulls down a pass. It's his elusiveness/vision against the line backers and the 2ndary...

Except that if you watch the games, the majority of the passes he catches are on the sideline, or near it, and he's been instructed by his coaches to just step out of bounds when he's on the sideline to avoid hits. He's very rarely thrown a pass in the open field, where he can use his elusiveness.I understand you're just down on Reggie, and nothing anyone here says is going to change that, but you might want to try and see things from an unbiased perspective. I dunno, just my $0.02

 

[EBF]

Fanatic has been a Bush hater since day one. Reggie will have to play like an all star before that guy is convinced that he's for real.

Bottom line is this. The Reggie fans have plenty of reason to maintain support. The Reggie detractors have plenty of reasons to maintain their skepticism. I doubt any of the arguments thrown around are going to change anyone's mind since most people seem to be pretty polarized on this issue.

 

[GoBirds]

Reggie goes off this Monday, crushes falcons.

 

[the spanker]

How is his shin? I haven't seen him listen on the injury report. Did he practice today?

 

[teamroc]

Except that if you watch the games, the majority of the passes he catches are on the sideline, or near it, and he's been instructed by his coaches to just step out of bounds when he's on the sideline to avoid hits. He's very rarely thrown a pass in the open field, where he can use his elusiveness.

I understand you're just down on Reggie, and nothing anyone here says is going to change that, but you might want to try and see things from an unbiased perspective. I dunno, just my $0.02

That was shtick right?

 

[TheFanatic]

Fanatic has been a Bush hater since day one. Reggie will have to play like an all star before that guy is convinced that he's for real.

Bottom line is this. The Reggie fans have plenty of reason to maintain support. The Reggie detractors have plenty of reasons to maintain their skepticism. I doubt any of the arguments thrown around are going to change anyone's mind since most people seem to be pretty polarized on this issue.

Absolutely he does. As someone who is in as many commercials and disgustingly hyped by ESPN, I need to see him play like an All-Star to even come close to be convinced he's for real. Heisman winner. 2nd overall pick. Isn't that exactly what he is supposed to do? He's supposed to be Marshall Faulk not Eric Metcalf.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Fanatic has been a Bush hater since day one. Reggie will have to play like an all star before that guy is convinced that he's for real.

Bottom line is this. The Reggie fans have plenty of reason to maintain support. The Reggie detractors have plenty of reasons to maintain their skepticism. I doubt any of the arguments thrown around are going to change anyone's mind since most people seem to be pretty polarized on this issue.

Is that really too much to expect?

 

[TheFanatic]

Except that if you watch the games, the majority of the passes he catches are on the sideline, or near it, and he's been instructed by his coaches to just step out of bounds when he's on the sideline to avoid hits. He's very rarely thrown a pass in the open field, where he can use his elusiveness.

I understand you're just down on Reggie, and nothing anyone here says is going to change that, but you might want to try and see things from an unbiased perspective. I dunno, just my $0.02

That was shtick right?

Seriously. So, Switz, are you saying that the coaches are telling Reggie to not use his elusiveness and speed? That the coaches are designing plays that make Bush the average back he and it's not an issue of Bush just underperforming or not adjusting to the pro game like many had predicted?

Does it go something like this?"

Sean Payton: Reggie, I want you to catch the pass and get out of bounds if a player comes anywhere near you. We want you here for a long time so please don't risk getting injured, or getting in the endzone, or making big plays or anything so we can keep you around for years to come. Of course I won't be here if that happens as we won't win many ball games and I will get canned. But that's not your concern. So please, just sit back, spend that signing bonus and enjoy the sweet life and by all means do not try to shake a tackle.

Reggie: Sure thing coach. Hey, can I cut out of practice early so I can go film another commercial?

Coach: No problem. You've worked on your outta bounds step all morning. Not much else you need to do in order to get that down.

So, then why do teams need to game plan for Reggie if he is told to step out of bounds as soon as possible?

Switz, it's time to pull another Bolden prediction out of your ### (brilliant call by the way) in order to regain some cred on this board. This is just ridiculous....

 

[EBF]

Fanatic has been a Bush hater since day one. Reggie will have to play like an all star before that guy is convinced that he's for real.

Bottom line is this. The Reggie fans have plenty of reason to maintain support. The Reggie detractors have plenty of reasons to maintain their skepticism. I doubt any of the arguments thrown around are going to change anyone's mind since most people seem to be pretty polarized on this issue.

Is that really too much to expect?

My point is that a guy who's been singing the "Bush is an overrated third down back" line since before last season will tend to view Bush's performance in a negative light. A guy who's been singing the "Bush is a stud" line since before last season will tend to view Bush's performance in a positive light. I don't think either side has a very compelling argument at this point. Bush has shown flashes of dominance (see: 49ers game last year) and has performed about as well for the Saints this season as Deuce McAllister was before he got hurt (and no one called Deuce a bust). On the flipside, he hasn't made a single big play this year and he's not dominating like he was expected to. His statistics are pretty pedestrian.

You can look at the same player and see him in two different ways. The guys who hate Bush will keep hating him unless he plays like a total beast. They'll tend to see neutral data points as negative data points. Instead of noting that Bush's YPC has increased since he became the workhorse back, they'll point to his lack of 100 yard or 20+ carry games as evidence that he sucks.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Bush's talent isn't as easy to tap into as Adrian Peterson who is an all out pure stud RB. Bush is more finesse, more WR , more juke, less power.

Not an excuse just the truth, its difficult to find Bush's sweet spot but when it happens whether he bulks up or they make him a full time WR, hes gonna be special.

The tape doesn't lie... in the open field not many can top his ability/potential to take it to the house. Patience........

O and this PPR should die stuff........ you must be Rudi Johnson owners.

 

[teamroc]

Except that if you watch the games, the majority of the passes he catches are on the sideline, or near it, and he's been instructed by his coaches to just step out of bounds when he's on the sideline to avoid hits. He's very rarely thrown a pass in the open field, where he can use his elusiveness.

I understand you're just down on Reggie, and nothing anyone here says is going to change that, but you might want to try and see things from an unbiased perspective. I dunno, just my $0.02

That was shtick right?

Seriously. So, Switz, are you saying that the coaches are telling Reggie to not use his elusiveness and speed? That the coaches are designing plays that make Bush the average back he and it's not an issue of Bush just underperforming or not adjusting to the pro game like many had predicted?

Does it go something like this?"

Sean Payton: Reggie, I want you to catch the pass and get out of bounds if a player comes anywhere near you. We want you here for a long time so please don't risk getting injured, or getting in the endzone, or making big plays or anything so we can keep you around for years to come. Of course I won't be here if that happens as we won't win many ball games and I will get canned. But that's not your concern. So please, just sit back, spend that signing bonus and enjoy the sweet life and by all means do not try to shake a tackle.

Reggie: Sure thing coach. Hey, can I cut out of practice early so I can go film another commercial?

Coach: No problem. You've worked on your outta bounds step all morning. Not much else you need to do in order to get that down.

So, then why do teams need to game plan for Reggie if he is told to step out of bounds as soon as possible?

Switz, it's time to pull another Bolden prediction out of your ### (brilliant call by the way) in order to regain some cred on this board. This is just ridiculous....

Yeah it's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.A 2nd year player, on a bad team "oh save yourself for the future".

They are 1-2-3 yard patterns! He's suppose to blow by the corner and cut upfield. You know, make someone miss.

So a pass to Reggie in the flat, if anyone gets close, run out of bounds? Bahahahhahahahaha. He couldn't have been serious. Bush, make someone miss and gain some freaking yards. The funny thing is, Reggie is going out of bounds when people get close. That's his problem. There's no saving Bush. They need Bush now. They aren't even winning with Bush. There's nothing to save Bush for. Use Bush while you have it. Bush only gets worse the older it gets.

Okay I'm done.

 

[Wadsworth]

If the draft was held today, is Bush still the first RB taken?

1. 1 2 Reggie Bush USC New Orleans Saints

2. 1 21 Laurence Maroney Minnesota New England Patriots

3. 1 27 DeAngelo Williams Memphis Carolina Panthers

4. 1 30 Joseph Addai Louisiana State Indianapolis Colts

5. 2 45 LenDale White USC Tennessee Titans

6. 2 60 Maurice Jones-Drew UCLA Jacksonville Jaguars

7. 3 74 Brian Calhoun Wisconsin Detroit Lions

8. 3 79 Jerious Norwood Mississippi State Atlanta Falcons

9. 4 100 Michael Robinson Penn State San Francisco 49ers

10. 4 106 Garrett Mills Tulsa New England Patriots

11. 4 117 Leon Washington Florida State New York Jets

Bush has had a lot of touches, but what has he proven beyond quieting some durability concerns?. Could Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood for example do what Bush is doing in NO given the same opportunities?

Garrett Mills being on there is comical4 thru 6 should bump 2 and 3.

Leon should be 7.

I just grabbed the first 11 taken. Was going to take the top 10, but Leon Washington at 11 seemed worth including.

 

[SSOG]

Fanatic has been a Bush hater since day one. Reggie will have to play like an all star before that guy is convinced that he's for real.

Bottom line is this. The Reggie fans have plenty of reason to maintain support. The Reggie detractors have plenty of reasons to maintain their skepticism. I doubt any of the arguments thrown around are going to change anyone's mind since most people seem to be pretty polarized on this issue.

Is that really too much to expect?

From the highest paid RB in the NFL? Of course it is!

Bush... has performed about as well for the Saints this season as Deuce McAllister was before he got hurt (and no one called Deuce a bust).

First off, Deuce wasn't drafted in the first round of fantasy leagues, Deuce wasn't the highest paid RB in the NFL, and Deuce isn't the most overpayed, overhyped, overly commercialized player in the league. Second off, Deuce *WAS* a bust, people just weren't saying it because he was pretty much irrelevant.Reggie Bush is one of the four richest entertainment stars under the age of 25 in the world, along with LeBron, Sharapova, and Wie. I think it's fair to say that he hasn't done anything in the NFL to justify that incredible distinction. In those terms, he's been a colossal bust. The more hyped you are, the higher a standard you will be held to- as you should be.

 

[Two Deep]

Fanatic has been a Bush hater since day one. Reggie will have to play like an all star before that guy is convinced that he's for real.

Bottom line is this. The Reggie fans have plenty of reason to maintain support. The Reggie detractors have plenty of reasons to maintain their skepticism. I doubt any of the arguments thrown around are going to change anyone's mind since most people seem to be pretty polarized on this issue.

Is that really too much to expect?

From the highest paid RB in the NFL? Of course it is!

Bush... has performed about as well for the Saints this season as Deuce McAllister was before he got hurt (and no one called Deuce a bust).

First off, Deuce wasn't drafted in the first round of fantasy leagues, Deuce wasn't the highest paid RB in the NFL, and Deuce isn't the most overpayed, overhyped, overly commercialized player in the league. Second off, Deuce *WAS* a bust, people just weren't saying it because he was pretty much irrelevant.Reggie Bush is one of the four richest entertainment stars under the age of 25 in the world, along with LeBron, Sharapova, and Wie. I think it's fair to say that he hasn't done anything in the NFL to justify that incredible distinction. In those terms, he's been a colossal bust. The more hyped you are, the higher a standard you will be held to- as you should be.

And it started early in his career. New book about his receiving fees in college. I thought this was over but I guess not. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ys...o&type=lgns

 

[GregR_2]

Fanatic has been a Bush hater since day one. Reggie will have to play like an all star before that guy is convinced that he's for real.

Bottom line is this. The Reggie fans have plenty of reason to maintain support. The Reggie detractors have plenty of reasons to maintain their skepticism. I doubt any of the arguments thrown around are going to change anyone's mind since most people seem to be pretty polarized on this issue.

Is that really too much to expect?

From the highest paid RB in the NFL? Of course it is!

Bush... has performed about as well for the Saints this season as Deuce McAllister was before he got hurt (and no one called Deuce a bust).

First off, Deuce wasn't drafted in the first round of fantasy leagues, Deuce wasn't the highest paid RB in the NFL, and Deuce isn't the most overpayed, overhyped, overly commercialized player in the league. Second off, Deuce *WAS* a bust, people just weren't saying it because he was pretty much irrelevant.Reggie Bush is one of the four richest entertainment stars under the age of 25 in the world, along with LeBron, Sharapova, and Wie. I think it's fair to say that he hasn't done anything in the NFL to justify that incredible distinction. In those terms, he's been a colossal bust. The more hyped you are, the higher a standard you will be held to- as you should be.

And it started early in his career. New book about his receiving fees in college. I thought this was over but I guess not. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=ys...o&type=lgns

I've always thought the general populace underestimate how much the allegations played a role in Houston not taking him. While I can believe that Houston thought Mario was the better player or at least a better fit for their team given that Bush doesn't fit Kubiak's offensive style... the owner Bob McNair is very big on character. The Texans tend to steer away from guys with character issues. I recall there were articles that the Texans had just talked to Bush and he said there was no truth at all to the allegations, and then the very next day additional allegations came out that included for the first time that Bush had personally been at meetings involving payouts.I think the perception that Bush lied to them when asked directly about it played at least a moderate role in him being passed over for Mario.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so hes been playing the past month w/ a torn PCL.... wow

 

[bcr8f]

Makes you wonder if the Texans are smarter than we thought they were.

They aren't, simply because just about every other team in the NFL would have taken Bush 1st overall, so by taking someone else, the Texans didn't get the full value of the number 1 slot.

your logic is horrible unless you're implying that someone would have traded up (which I think they tried)

Ryan Leaf was a consensus top 2 pick in 1999, most every team in the NFL would have taken him #2. Does that mean he was a better pick than Charles Woodson? Randy Moss? Matt Hasselbeck?

That's bull.

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Makes you wonder if the Texans are smarter than we thought they were.

They aren't, simply because just about every other team in the NFL would have taken Bush 1st overall, so by taking someone else, the Texans didn't get the full value of the number 1 slot.

your logic is horrible unless you're implying that someone would have traded up (which I think they tried)

Ryan Leaf was a consensus top 2 pick in 1999, most every team in the NFL would have taken him #2. Does that mean he was a better pick than Charles Woodson? Randy Moss? Matt Hasselbeck?

That's bull.

I don't think that Reggie Bush is even average. He is a poor running back. He is nothing but a glorified third down back.

 

[HoTnickZ]

.. and tonight.

 

[TheFanatic]

.. and tonight.

and tonight what?