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Reggie Bush's Scrimmage Results (1 Viewer)

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For those who may be interested.

From RotoWorld:

Reggie Bush rushed for 30 yards on eight carries and caught four passes for 19 yards in the Saints' intrasquad scrimmage Saturday.

Drew Brees was 10-of-16 for 83 yards and two INTs. Deuce McAllister, who split first-team reps with Bush, ran three times for six yards.

 
For those who may be interested.From RotoWorld:Reggie Bush rushed for 30 yards on eight carries and caught four passes for 19 yards in the Saints' intrasquad scrimmage Saturday.Drew Brees was 10-of-16 for 83 yards and two INTs. Deuce McAllister, who split first-team reps with Bush, ran three times for six yards.
was that Deuce's first contact?
 
8 carries and 4 catches -- wonder whether this will be indicative of the ratio during the season. If so, and we are looking at a conservative 12 carries and 6 catches, that's $$$$ in PPR leagues (over 90 receptions over a season).

I know that one scrimmage does not a season make, but still, this is :moneybag:

 
8 carries and 4 catches -- wonder whether this will be indicative of the ratio during the season. If so, and we are looking at a conservative 12 carries and 6 catches, that's $$$$ in PPR leagues (over 90 receptions over a season).I know that one scrimmage does not a season make, but still, this is :moneybag:
Where do you get a conservative 12 carries and 6 catches from? He only played 2/3 of the game? I think that 8/4 would still make Bush a solid RB3 and fringe RB2, which is about where he's going anyway.That said, good to see him out there looking like a premier 3DB + WR3.
 
Brees with 2 INTS? Yikes. Was both his starting WRs playing?
I don't think Stallworth played -- though he's been benched in favor of Devery Henderson so he isn't even technically a starter anymore. I don't know if Horn played or not.
 
For those who may be interested.From RotoWorld:Reggie Bush rushed for 30 yards on eight carries and caught four passes for 19 yards in the Saints' intrasquad scrimmage Saturday.Drew Brees was 10-of-16 for 83 yards and two INTs. Deuce McAllister, who split first-team reps with Bush, ran three times for six yards.
was that Deuce's first contact?
Scrimmage was closed to the public today. Previous practices have been mostly touch, but he has taken a couple of hits previously. I saw one on the first day of practice.
 
Brees with 2 INTS? Yikes. Was both his starting WRs playing?
I don't think Stallworth played -- though he's been benched in favor of Devery Henderson so he isn't even technically a starter anymore. I don't know if Horn played or not.
Joe Horn was excused to attend a funeral. He is due back for Monday's practice I believe. Stallworth has been limited with some leg injury, possibly tight hamstring? and D Henderson has been taking 1st reps with Horn.Scrimmage was closed to the public so don't know who was with Henderson at 1st string.
 
I think Bush, McAllister, and Horn/Stallworth fans should be very concerned with how Brees does. Hopefully his shoulder is okay, and he's learning the offense. If he struggles, the entire team will. No doubt.

 
I think Bush, McAllister, and Horn/Stallworth fans should be very concerned with how Brees does. Hopefully his shoulder is okay, and he's learning the offense. If he struggles, the entire team will. No doubt.
You know, Brees's shoulder has been a very quiet issue this offseason. While I don't see a problem with Bush's/McAllister's numbers at all, regardless of Brees, I do think Horn's numbers might continue to suffer with another bad QB.Has he been throwing ducks in camp?
 
According to our News Blogger and ESPN.com...

August 5, 2006, 21:21

Saints

Defense Dominates In Saints' Scrimmage... Sort Of

Associated Press, ESPN - [Full Article

The New Orleans Saints defense ruled the day during the first scrimmage of training camp. The defense only gave up two touchdowns, put a lot of pressure on the quarterbacks and intercepted new QB Drew Brees twice. The offense was at a disadvantage though as whistles blew the play dead at the first sign of trouble. New HC Sean Payton was encouraged by the defensive play but noted the protection needs some work.

Bush probably would have had even more success with his ability to elude tackles but the quick whistles eliminated that option...

I love Bush and think he is as talented, if not more so than Tomlinson and could dominate in much the same way. However the huge caveat here is the Saints offensive line which struggled in the scrimmage. He has the rare ability to make defenders miss but will need some blocking to reach all of his potential...

It should be noted though that the 1st string guards didn't play...

Don't miss out on Bush this year just because he is a rookie... He's going to be outstanding, even if he shares touches with McAllister..

 
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Don't miss out on Bush this year just because he is a rookie... He's going to be outstanding, even if he shares touches with McAllister..
Yeah, but can you really take this guy in the second round? I can honestly see some ####### in my league taking him in the first or second because of the hype he received at USC. I just can't justify taking him over Westbrook or Fitzgerald in the second round.
 
Anybody concerned with the O-line. Not even so much for Bush, but for a recovering Duece and Brees....

 
11 touches for Bush and 3 touches for McAllister doesn't sound like much of a split. McAllister might be the highest paid short yardage/goalline back ever. I realize this is just a scrimmage, but I'm starting to fall into the camp that the Saints will take it easy with McAllister this year and let Bush do most of the damage. It will be interesting what they do with the situation once McAllister is fully healthy.

 
11 touches for Bush and 3 touches for McAllister doesn't sound like much of a split. McAllister might be the highest paid short yardage/goalline back ever. I realize this is just a scrimmage, but I'm starting to fall into the camp that the Saints will take it easy with McAllister this year and let Bush do most of the damage. It will be interesting what they do with the situation once McAllister is fully healthy.
:rolleyes:
 
8 carries and 4 catches -- wonder whether this will be indicative of the ratio during the season. If so, and we are looking at a conservative 12 carries and 6 catches, that's $$$$ in PPR leagues (over 90 receptions over a season).I know that one scrimmage does not a season make, but still, this is :moneybag:
Where do you get a conservative 12 carries and 6 catches from? He only played 2/3 of the game?
I'm assuming they didn't all play the entire game, as backups probably got reps as well. Between Reggie's 8 carries and Deuce's 3, that's only 11 run plays in the entire game -- so there must be backsups in there getting substantial reps too.
 
guys, its one.....ONE......ONE SCRIMMAGErelax with the ratios and stuff already
What the hell else do I have to do with my time? Like I said, it was just a guess, right or wrong, based on the very limited info we have.Tell you what -- I'll consider all the information out there to try to figure out now what will happen during weeks 1-16, and you can wait until week 16 so you didn't have to go out on any limbs.HTH.
 
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guys, its one.....ONE......ONE SCRIMMAGErelax with the ratios and stuff already
What the hell else so I have to do with my time? Like I said, it was just a guess, right or wrong, based on the very limited info we have.Tell you what -- I'll consider all the information out there to try to figure out now what will happen during weeks 1-16, and you can wait until week 16 so you didn't have to go out on any limbs.HTH.
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Don't miss out on Bush this year just because he is a rookie... He's going to be outstanding, even if he shares touches with McAllister..
Yeah, but can you really take this guy in the second round? I can honestly see some ####### in my league taking him in the first or second because of the hype he received at USC. I just can't justify taking him over Westbrook or Fitzgerald in the second round.
I'm starting to believe in the Bush kool-aid.It all depends when in the 2nd round you pick and he is still there...I would rather roll the dice on Bush than...Willie ParkerJamal LewisDomanick DavisReuben DroughnsJulius JonesDeshaun Fosteretc....If these RBs are gone, I am looking to take Bush this seasonTomlinsonL. JohnsonS. AlexanderC. PortisT. BarberR. BrownC. WilliamsW. McGaheeR. JohnsonL. JordanB. WestbrookS. JacksonE. JamesAdd in a few receivers and Peyton Manningand I'm looking at taking him around the 18th pick...Roll the dice :yes:
 
Just for comparison...

Running behind the second-team offensive line against a starting defense expected to be one of the NFL's best, Shelton gained 4, 4, and 5 yards on consecutive running plays and caught a 12-yard screen pass. He also was held to no gain on another running play.
That's 5 touches for 25 yards or 5 yd / touch versus a real defense.5 > 4.1
 
Don't miss out on Bush this year just because he is a rookie... He's going to be outstanding, even if he shares touches with McAllister..
Yeah, but can you really take this guy in the second round? I can honestly see some ####### in my league taking him in the first or second because of the hype he received at USC. I just can't justify taking him over Westbrook or Fitzgerald in the second round.
I'm starting to believe in the Bush kool-aid.It all depends when in the 2nd round you pick and he is still there...I would rather roll the dice on Bush than...Willie ParkerJamal LewisDomanick DavisReuben DroughnsJulius JonesDeshaun Fosteretc....If these RBs are gone, I am looking to take Bush this seasonTomlinsonL. JohnsonS. AlexanderC. PortisT. BarberR. BrownC. WilliamsW. McGaheeR. JohnsonL. JordanB. WestbrookS. JacksonE. JamesAdd in a few receivers and Peyton Manningand I'm looking at taking him around the 18th pick...Roll the dice :yes:
Agreed, and I'd even perhaps take him above a gew of the guys on the list above, particularly in a dynasty league. I think he is that special.
 
Agreed, and I'd even perhaps take him above a gew of the guys on the list above, particularly in a dynasty league. I think he is that special.
Don't go too far out on that limb. :D
Well, some people would say I'd be nuts to take him over Tiki, Rudi, Lamont, Mcgahee, and others, but I absolutely would. In a dynasty draft the only guys I would definitely take ahead of him are:LJ

Alexander

LT2

Portis

Caddy

R.Brown

No way there is anyone on the board I want other than Bush after that.

 
Don't miss out on Bush this year just because he is a rookie... He's going to be outstanding, even if he shares touches with McAllister..
Yeah, but can you really take this guy in the second round? I can honestly see some ####### in my league taking him in the first or second because of the hype he received at USC. I just can't justify taking him over Westbrook or Fitzgerald in the second round.
I'm starting to believe in the Bush kool-aid.It all depends when in the 2nd round you pick and he is still there...I would rather roll the dice on Bush than...Willie ParkerJamal LewisDomanick DavisReuben DroughnsJulius JonesDeshaun Fosteretc....If these RBs are gone, I am looking to take Bush this seasonTomlinsonL. JohnsonS. AlexanderC. PortisT. BarberR. BrownC. WilliamsW. McGaheeR. JohnsonL. JordanB. WestbrookS. JacksonE. JamesAdd in a few receivers and Peyton Manningand I'm looking at taking him around the 18th pick...Roll the dice :yes:
I'd agree with that assessment. And that means you're likely to get him if you're drafting either right in the middle of a 12-team league or if you're at the top. I'm near the bottom in my draft and there's no way I can see Bush being there for me unless I was going to take him over a RB like McGahee (which I don't think I would do) or one of the Top 5-6 WRs which I think would be too big of a risk. I'm picking 8th in my league but it's a one-keeper league and LJ will be gone so it's essentially 9th. So as much as I like Bush I know that I have no realistic shot at him (and this isn't meant as a cue for the "Auctions are better" tangent since I actually prefer drafts more :) ). So if you want Bush in a 12-team league I think you're out of luck if you're picking near the end of the round. He'll be off the board by the time the draft gets back to you in the third round and if you take him in the second, that means you've likely taken him over some or all of the stud WRs and one of the last of the solid RBs like McGahee. That's too great a risk.But if you're sitting near the top of your draft and are able to pair Bush with LJ, Alexander or Tomlinson or even Barber or Portis that's a very nice way to start building your RB corps in your draft.
 
Agreed, and I'd even perhaps take him above a gew of the guys on the list above, particularly in a dynasty league. I think he is that special.
Don't go too far out on that limb. :D
Well, some people would say I'd be nuts to take him over Tiki, Rudi, Lamont, Mcgahee, and others, but I absolutely would. In a dynasty draft the only guys I would definitely take ahead of him are:LJ

Alexander

LT2

Portis

Caddy

R.Brown

No way there is anyone on the board I want other than Bush after that.
I guess my point was that Bush is #35 on the re-draft rankings and #9 on the dynasty. Your original statement was rather bold, but then you quickly watered it down with the dynasty caveat.I'd like to hear more about why Bush before Droughins or Parker in a re-draft.

 
Agreed, and I'd even perhaps take him above a gew of the guys on the list above, particularly in a dynasty league. I think he is that special.
Don't go too far out on that limb. :D
Well, some people would say I'd be nuts to take him over Tiki, Rudi, Lamont, Mcgahee, and others, but I absolutely would. In a dynasty draft the only guys I would definitely take ahead of him are:LJ

Alexander

LT2

Portis

Caddy

R.Brown

No way there is anyone on the board I want other than Bush after that.
I guess my point was that Bush is #35 on the re-draft rankings and #9 on the dynasty. Your original statement was rather bold, but then you quickly watered it down with the dynasty caveat.I'd like to hear more about why Bush before Droughins or Parker in a re-draft.
Oh, without question. Also add Jamal, Westbrook, Dom Davis, et al. to that list.Why? Upside.

Reggie Bush has the ability to put up elite RB numbers right out of the gate (particularly in PPR leagues, where I think he will be the next LT2 -- a guy who is just head-and-shoulders above the field for many years). Reuben Droughns is not going to win games for me. I'd rather roll the dice.

 
DEFENDER BENDER

Missing two starters on the line, the Saints' offense takes a back seat in Saturday's scrimmage

Sunday, August 06, 2006

By Mike Triplett

Staff writer

JACKSON, MISS. -- The Saints offered glimpses of their offensive firepower during Saturday's intrasquad scrimmage, with quarterback Drew Brees giving a decent performance and rookie tailback Reggie Bush showing off a few signature moves.

But the day belonged to the defensive line, particularly Charles Grant, who took turns disrupting Brees, Bush and a depleted offensive line for most of the afternoon.

"They just got us today," admitted Brees, who completed 10 of his first 13 passes, mostly against the second-string defense, before throwing a pair of interceptions on back-to-back plays against the first-string defense. "It's back and forth, which is good. I think it keeps it competitive, and it makes for some fun practices."

To be fair, the Saints offense was playing without starting guards Jermane Mayberry and Montrae Holland, both of whom are nursing injuries. But the defense took advantage in a big way.

During one series against the second-string offense, Grant blew past rookie offensive tackle Zach Strief to sack Jamie Martin, then he shot into the backfield past Strief and guard Chad Setterstrom to stop Bush for a four-yard loss on a fourth-and-one play.

Grant later made another sack, stopped tailback Deuce McAllister for a loss and applied the pressure on one of Brees' interceptions.

Defensive ends Will Smith and Tony Bryant shared one sack, tackles Hollis Thomas and Brian Young shared another, and defensive end Rob Ninkovich had a third. Roman Harper had a sack on a safety blitz.

Brees' passes were intercepted by Fred Thomas and Scott Fujita. Adrian McPherson threw two interceptions, to Jay Bellamy and Grant Mason.

"It's always that double-edged sword there," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "You're encouraged on one end because (the defense) established some pressure and hurried the quarterback. Then you want to check your protections and make sure that you're giving these guys a chance to function. Just based on what I saw, (the defense) did a pretty good job. Those guys got up the field.

"But there were some good things. I thought when we did run it, when we got into a little bit of a groove calling more runs, they came off the ball and did a good job. We've got a lot of work to do, and fortunately we've got four preseason games."

The Saints ran about 100 plays, varying the matchups between first-, second- and third-string units and finishing with some two-minute drills.

There was no live tackling. Instead, defenders wrapped up or held up the offensive players.

As a result, Payton said he called a majority of pass plays, because it's hard for players to physically defend the run when they're not tackling.

The scrimmage started with the first-string offense against the second-string defense, and Brees completed five of eight passes in those series, with McAllister and Bush rotating in and out of the backfield.

As a unit, the offense looked crisp and efficient, but a long opening drive stalled, and they settled for a field goal.

Brees completed two early passes to Devery Henderson for 15 and nine yards. Bush broke off an 18-yard run to the left behind tackle Jammal Brown and took a dump-off pass in the flat for a 13-yard gain.

"Reggie was great," Brees said. "Reggie was playing physical football, and I felt like we all kind of saw that gear that everybody talks about Reggie having. He looks good on a college field; I think he looks pretty good on an NFL field, too."

Official statistics were not kept, but Bush carried the ball seven times for 36 yards, with five catches for an estimated 29 yards. He had four plays that went for nine yards or longer.

Bush and McAllister lined up together twice, once with Bush motioning out wide and once with Bush lining up in the slot.

"I felt all right, pretty good," Bush said. "I don't think the offense had as good of a day as we wanted to, but that's what the scrimmage is for, to work on it and get better next week.

"I feel comfortable with where I'm at, but I'm not satisfied. I have to keep getting better every week."

McAllister lined up as the starting tailback, but with such an abundance of passing plays, he was not on the field as much as Bush. He said his reconstructed right knee felt good, but after he sat out for a long time it began to stiffen.

Brees said he had no problems with his surgically repaired throwing shoulder. He completed 15 of 22 passes for an estimated 133 yards. His best pass was probably a 17-yard completion to receiver Marques Colston with some zip on it.

The first interception was a great play by Thomas, who tipped the ball to himself. The second interception was a miscommunication between Brees and tight end Ernie Conwell. Fujita stepped in front of the ball and probably would have returned it for a touchdown.

Martin was decent as the second-string quarterback, though his unit also failed to score any touchdowns.

Todd Bouman had a solid showing with the third-string offense. He led a long touchdown drive, finishing with a four-yard touchdown fade to tight end Zach Hilton. The only other touchdown came on an eight-yard pass from Jason Fife to Nate Lawrie.

 
Agreed, and I'd even perhaps take him above a gew of the guys on the list above, particularly in a dynasty league. I think he is that special.
Don't go too far out on that limb. :D
Well, some people would say I'd be nuts to take him over Tiki, Rudi, Lamont, Mcgahee, and others, but I absolutely would. In a dynasty draft the only guys I would definitely take ahead of him are:LJ

Alexander

LT2

Portis

Caddy

R.Brown

No way there is anyone on the board I want other than Bush after that.
I guess my point was that Bush is #35 on the re-draft rankings and #9 on the dynasty. Your original statement was rather bold, but then you quickly watered it down with the dynasty caveat.I'd like to hear more about why Bush before Droughins or Parker in a re-draft.
Bush is that special kind of player that can take a simple screen pass or a toss to the outside and make a bunch of defenders look silly on the way to an 80-yard touchdown...Will he touch the ball as often as a Droughns is likely to?

Probably not but he is a much better candidate to do more with his limited touches and fantasy football (most league anyways) is about how much yardage/touchdowns you put up, not how many carries you get...

Bush will finish with at least 250 touches this season...

Yes it is about upside as it should be when you're talking about a second-round running back. Swing for the fences...

My only caveat on Bush was if he didn't sign on time to attend training camp. With that taken care of, the sky is the limit.

 
Reggie Bush rushed for 30 yards on eight carries and caught four passes for 19 yards in the Saints' intrasquad scrimmage Saturday.
I'm suppoused to get excited about 3.75 YPC and 4.75 YPR? ;)
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO OVERANALYZE STATS IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE!?!?!?!? :D
August 6, 2006, 10:20 Saints :: RBRB Bush Looks Explosive During ScrimmageAssociated Press, CBS Sportsline - [Full Article]In a scrimmage that favored the defense due to quick whistles, rookie RB Reggie Bush did display the agility and acceleration during the practice that had fans cheering him on. Bush finished with about 35 yards rushing on seven carries and about 30 yards receiving on five catches. HC Sean Payton said Bush looked explosive while QB Drew Brees added, "We all kind of saw that gear that everybody talks about Reggie having. He looks good on a college field, I think he looks pretty good on an NFL field, too."
 
Just for comparison...

Running behind the second-team offensive line against a starting defense expected to be one of the NFL's best, Shelton gained 4, 4, and 5 yards on consecutive running plays and caught a 12-yard screen pass. He also was held to no gain on another running play.
That's 5 touches for 25 yards or 5 yd / touch versus a real defense.5 > 4.1
4.1 is pretty good considering they blew the play dead before Bush was given a chance to try and make anyone miss, which happens to be his greatest strength. If Bush can get 4.1 yards each touch BEFORE someone gets close enough to him that he has a chance to make a move than I expect to see many happy Bush owners this year.
 
While fun to analyze stats in the preseason, the important thing to note here is not how many yards that Reggie Bush gains in a scrimmage that blows the play dead before contact occurs.

What is of note though is that Bush is signed, getting a ton of reps with Deuce McAllister being eased back and earning valuable experience.

That is the indicators that I am looking for from the rookie / inexperienced players.

:thumbup:

 
While fun to analyze stats in the preseason, the important thing to note here is not how many yards that Reggie Bush gains in a scrimmage that blows the play dead before contact occurs.What is of note though is that Bush is signed, getting a ton of reps with Deuce McAllister being eased back and earning valuable experience.That is the indicators that I am looking for from the rookie / inexperienced players. :thumbup:
Chris... what do you project for Reggie this year. I have a really hard time projecting very high stats for a rookie. Taking him as your #2 back could be a big mistake this year. That freelance article about rookie RB value really tempered my expectations a bit. I know Reggie has alword talent but so do a lot of other RB's. Next year I would say he could be great, this year I'm not so sure.
 
Bush train picking up steam. :drive:
And in week one :tfp: when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.
ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.
Yea, I like it when people use the argument that Bush is going to the NFL, "where linebackers are just as fast he is."Notable linebacker 40 times from the 2006 NFL combine:Thomas Howard - 4.47Jon Alston - 4.50Ernis Sims - 4.54Rocky McIntosh - 4.63AJ Hawk - 4.65Gerris Wilkinson - 4.65Clint Ingram - 4.67DeMeco Ryans - 4.69D'Qwell Jackson - 4.78Chad Greenway - 4.78Abdul Hodge - 4.79I guess all the guys who run 4.33 decided to take the day off.
 
Bush train picking up steam. :drive:
And in week one :tfp: when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.
ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.
Yea, I like it when people use the argument that Bush is going to the NFL, "where linebackers are just as fast he is."Notable linebacker 40 times from the 2006 NFL combine:

Thomas Howard - 4.47

Jon Alston - 4.50

Ernis Sims - 4.54

Rocky McIntosh - 4.63

AJ Hawk - 4.65

Gerris Wilkinson - 4.65

Clint Ingram - 4.67

DeMeco Ryans - 4.69

D'Qwell Jackson - 4.78

Chad Greenway - 4.78

Abdul Hodge - 4.79

I guess all the guys who run 4.33 decided to take the day off.
There is not a single LB or Dlineman in the NFL that runs as fast as Bush. Most NFL teams will be lucky to have 4 guys on the entire roster as fast as him and it's no telling what position they will be at. I agree it's a weak arguement at face value. However, the main difference is that those LBs are a tad faster then college ones as well as the entire group of players on Ds. Players are smarter and take better persuite angles. It's a conglomerate of the team concept that makes it harder to run in the NFL because of speed, not so much a factor of stop watch times or raw speed. Holes will close faster not only because the guys are a bit faster than collge, but because they are smarter too. Either way, Bush has fantastic vision along with unmatched physical tools. He will be a stud.
 
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Bush train picking up steam. :drive:
And in week one :tfp: when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.
ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.
Yea, I like it when people use the argument that Bush is going to the NFL, "where linebackers are just as fast he is."Notable linebacker 40 times from the 2006 NFL combine:Thomas Howard - 4.47Jon Alston - 4.50Ernis Sims - 4.54Rocky McIntosh - 4.63AJ Hawk - 4.65Gerris Wilkinson - 4.65Clint Ingram - 4.67DeMeco Ryans - 4.69D'Qwell Jackson - 4.78Chad Greenway - 4.78Abdul Hodge - 4.79I guess all the guys who run 4.33 decided to take the day off.
Defensive guys aren't in a track meet with RB's - they have to be in the right position and tackle well. The fact of the matter is that the best NFL LB's are fast enough to get to Reggie Bush, unlike a lot of college LB's who couldn't. Why do you think so many fast college RB's fail miserably in the NFL?
 
Bush train picking up steam. :drive:
And in week one :tfp: when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.
ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.
Yea, I like it when people use the argument that Bush is going to the NFL, "where linebackers are just as fast he is."Notable linebacker 40 times from the 2006 NFL combine:Thomas Howard - 4.47Jon Alston - 4.50Ernis Sims - 4.54Rocky McIntosh - 4.63AJ Hawk - 4.65Gerris Wilkinson - 4.65Clint Ingram - 4.67DeMeco Ryans - 4.69D'Qwell Jackson - 4.78Chad Greenway - 4.78Abdul Hodge - 4.79I guess all the guys who run 4.33 decided to take the day off.
Defensive guys aren't in a track meet with RB's - they have to be in the right position and tackle well. The fact of the matter is that the best NFL LB's are fast enough to get to Reggie Bush, unlike a lot of college LB's who couldn't. Why do you think so many fast college RB's fail miserably in the NFL?
Speed is only part of the equation. The NFL LB knows his position and is disciplined enough not to make as many mistakes as the college LB will. Bush is faster than almost all NFL LBs, but he isn't playing one on one. RB will do well, but he's not going to dominate in year one.The talented RBs that fail, do so because they can't handle the mental part of the game. The RBs that succeed do. I have no idea how "football intelligent" Bush is.
 
Defensive guys aren't in a track meet with RB's - they have to be in the right position and tackle well. The fact of the matter is that the best NFL LB's are fast enough to get to Reggie Bush, unlike a lot of college LB's who couldn't.
No one doubts that the NFL is tougher than NCAA. Nevertheless, there should also be no doubt that Bush will have a tremendous speed and quickness advantage over the average NFL defender. The argument that his old tricks won't work against professionals doesn't carry much weight with me, because speed, quickness, and burst absolutely kill at the professional level. Guys like Portis, Tomlinson, and Sanders have proven that repeatedly.
Why do you think so many fast college RB's fail miserably in the NFL?
How many of those guys won the Heisman trophy, rushed for 1,700+ yards, and averaged 8.7 YPC? There's a difference between Trung Canidate and Reggie Bush. One is an athlete. One is a football player.
 
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Bush train picking up steam. :drive:
And in week one :tfp: when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.
ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.
Yea, I like it when people use the argument that Bush is going to the NFL, "where linebackers are just as fast he is."Notable linebacker 40 times from the 2006 NFL combine:

Thomas Howard - 4.47

Jon Alston - 4.50

Ernis Sims - 4.54

Rocky McIntosh - 4.63

AJ Hawk - 4.65

Gerris Wilkinson - 4.65

Clint Ingram - 4.67

DeMeco Ryans - 4.69

D'Qwell Jackson - 4.78

Chad Greenway - 4.78

Abdul Hodge - 4.79

I guess all the guys who run 4.33 decided to take the day off.
There is not a single LB or Dlineman in the NFL that runs as fast as Bush. Most NFL teams will be lucky to have 4 guys on the entire roster as fast as him and it's no telling what position they will be at. I agree it's a weak arguement at face value. However, the main difference is that those LBs are a tad faster then college ones as well as the entire group of players on Ds. Players are smarter and take better persuite angles. It's a conglomerate of the team concept that makes it harder to run in the NFL because of speed, not so much a factor of stop watch times or raw speed. Holes will close faster not only because the guys are a bit faster than coolge, but because they are smarter too. Either way, Bush has fantastic vision along with numatched physical tools. He will be a stud.
agree, the NFL is a faster game, because it's made of the best and fastest from the college ranks, of which Reggie is one of the fastest and the best.will he be running away from every defense like he did in college? no, of course not, and he won't need to.

 
Don't miss out on Bush this year just because he is a rookie... He's going to be outstanding, even if he shares touches with McAllister..
Yeah, but can you really take this guy in the second round? I can honestly see some ####### in my league taking him in the first or second because of the hype he received at USC. I just can't justify taking him over Westbrook or Fitzgerald in the second round.
I'm starting to believe in the Bush kool-aid.It all depends when in the 2nd round you pick and he is still there...I would rather roll the dice on Bush than...Willie ParkerJamal LewisDomanick DavisReuben DroughnsJulius JonesDeshaun Fosteretc....If these RBs are gone, I am looking to take Bush this seasonTomlinsonL. JohnsonS. AlexanderC. PortisT. BarberR. BrownC. WilliamsW. McGaheeR. JohnsonL. JordanB. WestbrookS. JacksonE. JamesAdd in a few receivers and Peyton Manningand I'm looking at taking him around the 18th pick...Roll the dice :yes:
I'd agree with that assessment. And that means you're likely to get him if you're drafting either right in the middle of a 12-team league or if you're at the top. I'm near the bottom in my draft and there's no way I can see Bush being there for me unless I was going to take him over a RB like McGahee (which I don't think I would do) or one of the Top 5-6 WRs which I think would be too big of a risk. I'm picking 8th in my league but it's a one-keeper league and LJ will be gone so it's essentially 9th. So as much as I like Bush I know that I have no realistic shot at him (and this isn't meant as a cue for the "Auctions are better" tangent since I actually prefer drafts more :) ). So if you want Bush in a 12-team league I think you're out of luck if you're picking near the end of the round. He'll be off the board by the time the draft gets back to you in the third round and if you take him in the second, that means you've likely taken him over some or all of the stud WRs and one of the last of the solid RBs like McGahee. That's too great a risk.But if you're sitting near the top of your draft and are able to pair Bush with LJ, Alexander or Tomlinson or even Barber or Portis that's a very nice way to start building your RB corps in your draft.
I draft #6 in a 12 teamer standard performance scoring that awards .5 per reception. I won't be going after Bush in the 2nd and will only think about him if he's there in the 3rd at 3.06. I could land a Jackson/Tiki/Ronnie at 1.06, then grab one of the Big6 WR's in the mid 2nd....then IF Bush is there in the 3rd it may be the spot to pull the trigger. But I agree I couldn't take him before one of the Big6 WR's.I have a feeling a few guys picking before me at the round 2/3 turn will have their sites set on him there too. But I'm not going after him any higher than my 3rd pick..if he's there, he's there, if not I won't sweat it.If you look at who's projected to be there mid 3rd like Jamal, Parker, Chester Taylor, Reuben Droughns those options aren't bad to pair with your top 6 RB and WR? His stock is only going to climb into the mid/late 2nd so if you want him badly I hope your draft is sooner than later.
 
I like how he matches up against the Saints defense. What weeks does he play against them again? :unsure:

 
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