Reggie Bush's Scrimmage Results (1 Viewer)

[ArcticEdge]

I like how he matches up against the Saints defense. What weeks does he play against them again?

I think week 3, let me check...

 

[gzilla]

I think Bush, McAllister, and Horn/Stallworth fans should be very concerned with how Brees does. Hopefully his shoulder is okay, and he's learning the offense. If he struggles, the entire team will. No doubt.

You know, Brees's shoulder has been a very quiet issue this offseason. While I don't see a problem with Bush's/McAllister's numbers at all, regardless of Brees, I do think Horn's numbers might continue to suffer with another bad QB.Has he been throwing ducks in camp?

Actually, reports out of camp are that Brees has been looking great. He just recently upped his thow limit to 120 / day because he was feeling so good.

 

[Chris Smith]

While fun to analyze stats in the preseason, the important thing to note here is not how many yards that Reggie Bush gains in a scrimmage that blows the play dead before contact occurs.What is of note though is that Bush is signed, getting a ton of reps with Deuce McAllister being eased back and earning valuable experience.That is the indicators that I am looking for from the rookie / inexperienced players.

Chris... what do you project for Reggie this year. I have a really hard time projecting very high stats for a rookie. Taking him as your #2 back could be a big mistake this year. That freelance article about rookie RB value really tempered my expectations a bit. I know Reggie has alword talent but so do a lot of other RB's. Next year I would say he could be great, this year I'm not so sure.

Here's my latest numbers...200 carries905 rushing yards60 receptions565 receiving yards9 total touchdowns

 

[BassNBrew]

Defensive guys aren't in a track meet with RB's - they have to be in the right position and tackle well. The fact of the matter is that the best NFL LB's are fast enough to get to Reggie Bush, unlike a lot of college LB's who couldn't.

No one doubts that the NFL is tougher than NCAA. Nevertheless, there should also be no doubt that Bush will have a tremendous speed and quickness advantage over the average NFL defender. The argument that his old tricks won't work against professionals doesn't carry much weight with me, because speed, quickness, and burst absolutely kill at the professional level. Guys like Portis, Tomlinson, and Sanders have proven that repeatedly.

Why do you think so many fast college RB's fail miserably in the NFL?

How many of those guys won the Heisman trophy, rushed for 1,700+ yards, and averaged 8.7 YPC? There's a difference between Trung Canidate and Reggie Bush. One is an athlete. One is a football player.

How many football players are pulled on a critical play and replaced with a 250 lb tub of goo?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

How many football players are pulled on a critical play and replaced with a 250 lb tub of goo?

Still one of the most absolute asinine arguments I've seen on these boards. Being a great player doesn't mean you have to be the absolute best at every aspect of the game....no one is. It doesn't even mean you have to be the best player on your team at each aspect, especially if you have someone else on the team that is great at that aspect of the game. We see this all the time with short yardage situations, 3rd down situations, etc.If Barry Sanders and Jerome Bettis were on the same team and they had 4th and 1 with the game on the line do you think Barry Sanders is going to be out on the field? He won't be, but he's still a great RB. Just like even a few years ago if Pittsburgh had 4th and 15 with the game on the line it would be Verron Haynes out on the field rather than Jerome Bettis, but that wouldn't mean Bettis wasn't a great RB.Weak, weak, useless "argument" (if you can even call it that).

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I don't get the argument about everyone in the NFL being faster than in college? Isn't that true in regards to every part of every position? For power backs, all the defenders are bigger than they were in college. For quarterbacks all the defenders are smarter than they were in college, etc. OT's should have a harder time because all the DE's are bigger and quicker, but all the DE's should have a harder time because all the OT's are bigger and quicker. The arguments all cancel each other out and short of arguing that every player going into the NFL is going to be a bust it doesn't really work.

I could maybe see if it was a situation where Bush was a guy who relied on his straight-line speed (though that pretty much defines Willie Parker and he's still done well), but Bush's greatest strength is not his pure speed but rather his elusiveness. A LB that can run a 4.45 40 still can't stop and change direction on a dime, none of them can and Bush will always have a distinct advantage in this regard even if he doesn't have one in pure straight ahead speed (which btw, he still will).

 

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Bush train picking up steam.

And in week one when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.

ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Bush train picking up steam.

And in week one when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.

He's playing the Browns week 1. :whoosh:

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[TheFanatic]

' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:15 AM' post='5285278']

Bush train picking up steam.

And in week one when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.

ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.

Actually, I think there is some validity to this. Sure, all the NFL players played in college, but there are only 32 pro teams and there are something like 400 college football programs. The guys that comprise the 32 pro teams were spread pretty thin over all those programs. Sure, some programs had a higher quantity of those speed guys but there are a very large percentage of starters in Division 1A in college that do not go into the NFL. And lack of speed is a big cause of that. The slower guys are weeded out at the pro level and only the upper echelon moves on.....There aren't as many weak links to exploit in the pro game as can happen in college by consistently running plays at the soft middle LB or the chump corner.....

 

[redman]

' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:15 AM' post='5285278']

Bush train picking up steam.

And in week one when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.

ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.

Actually, I think there is some validity to this. Sure, all the NFL players played in college, but there are only 32 pro teams and there are something like 400 college football programs. The guys that comprise the 32 pro teams were spread pretty thin over all those programs. Sure, some programs had a higher quantity of those speed guys but there are a very large percentage of starters in Division 1A in college that do not go into the NFL. And lack of speed is a big cause of that. The slower guys are weeded out at the pro level and only the upper echelon moves on.....There aren't as many weak links to exploit in the pro game as can happen in college by consistently running plays at the soft middle LB or the chump corner.....

That's no doubt accurate, OTOH guys who ran like Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk or Reggie Bush did in college have less to worry about as it relates to other players' talent or athleticism catching up to them. I have no doubt that Bush will still be a playmaker in the NFL. My only concerns at this time relate to the talent of the team around him and his health, and to a lesser extent Deuce McCallister's role in that backfield possibly putting Bush's career on hold as that happened with LJ in KC.

 

[ImTheScientist]

' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:15 AM' post='5285278']

Bush train picking up steam.

And in week one when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.

ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.

Actually, I think there is some validity to this. Sure, all the NFL players played in college, but there are only 32 pro teams and there are something like 400 college football programs. The guys that comprise the 32 pro teams were spread pretty thin over all those programs. Sure, some programs had a higher quantity of those speed guys but there are a very large percentage of starters in Division 1A in college that do not go into the NFL. And lack of speed is a big cause of that. The slower guys are weeded out at the pro level and only the upper echelon moves on.....There aren't as many weak links to exploit in the pro game as can happen in college by consistently running plays at the soft middle LB or the chump corner.....

That's no doubt accurate, OTOH guys who ran like Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk or Reggie Bush did in college have less to worry about as it relates to other players' talent or athleticism catching up to them. I have no doubt that Bush will still be a playmaker in the NFL. My only concerns at this time relate to the talent of the team around him and his health, and to a lesser extent Deuce McCallister's role in that backfield possibly putting Bush's career on hold as that happened with LJ in KC.

He's one of the highest paid RB's if not the highest paid RB's in the league .... they won't put his career on hold for Deuce

 

[jbz]

Deuce, he of newly signed contract, is not making chump change either. It won't be a "who's making more issue", it rarely ever is in the end. The Saints will give the ball to their best players. The main thing I got out of the article was Deuce saying his knee tightened up after awhile.

 

[cstu]

' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:15 AM' post='5285278']

Bush train picking up steam.

And in week one when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.

ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.

Actually, I think there is some validity to this. Sure, all the NFL players played in college, but there are only 32 pro teams and there are something like 400 college football programs. The guys that comprise the 32 pro teams were spread pretty thin over all those programs. Sure, some programs had a higher quantity of those speed guys but there are a very large percentage of starters in Division 1A in college that do not go into the NFL. And lack of speed is a big cause of that. The slower guys are weeded out at the pro level and only the upper echelon moves on.....There aren't as many weak links to exploit in the pro game as can happen in college by consistently running plays at the soft middle LB or the chump corner.....

That's no doubt accurate, OTOH guys who ran like Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk or Reggie Bush did in college have less to worry about as it relates to other players' talent or athleticism catching up to them. I have no doubt that Bush will still be a playmaker in the NFL. My only concerns at this time relate to the talent of the team around him and his health, and to a lesser extent Deuce McCallister's role in that backfield possibly putting Bush's career on hold as that happened with LJ in KC.

He's one of the highest paid RB's if not the highest paid RB's in the league .... they won't put his career on hold for Deuce

The Bears put Benson's career on hold for Thomas Jones.

 

[EBF]

' date='Aug 7 2006, 09:15 AM' post='5285278']

Bush train picking up steam.

And in week one when he gets a few touches and he learns that the NFL Speed is just as fast as his Speed is.

ahh yes, because NFL defenders come from some magical land of make believe with superfast people.....instead of college.

Actually, I think there is some validity to this. Sure, all the NFL players played in college, but there are only 32 pro teams and there are something like 400 college football programs. The guys that comprise the 32 pro teams were spread pretty thin over all those programs. Sure, some programs had a higher quantity of those speed guys but there are a very large percentage of starters in Division 1A in college that do not go into the NFL. And lack of speed is a big cause of that. The slower guys are weeded out at the pro level and only the upper echelon moves on.....There aren't as many weak links to exploit in the pro game as can happen in college by consistently running plays at the soft middle LB or the chump corner.....

That's no doubt accurate, OTOH guys who ran like Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk or Reggie Bush did in college have less to worry about as it relates to other players' talent or athleticism catching up to them. I have no doubt that Bush will still be a playmaker in the NFL. My only concerns at this time relate to the talent of the team around him and his health, and to a lesser extent Deuce McCallister's role in that backfield possibly putting Bush's career on hold as that happened with LJ in KC.

He's one of the highest paid RB's if not the highest paid RB's in the league .... they won't put his career on hold for Deuce

The Bears put Benson's career on hold for Thomas Jones.

Won't happen in NO. Benson is a good back, but he's not a very versatile talent. When he held out and failed to win the job in camp, he dug his own grave for the season.Bush, on the other hand, will see the field quite a bit regardless of who starts because he's a versatile player who offers unique skills that none of the other backs on the roster possess. Bush will play a lot next year even if he isn't the starting RB. This is a point that I've been driving home repeatedly, but one that many people seem to be overlooking.

 

[Otis]

The Bears put Benson's career on hold for Thomas Jones.

If you ever compare Reggie Bush and Cedric Benson again, I will kill you dead.TIA

 

[eoMMan]

The Bears put Benson's career on hold for Thomas Jones.

If you ever compare Reggie Bush and Cedric Benson again, I will kill you dead.TIA

You mean, as opposed to just killing him? You will kill him dead?

 

[Otis]

The Bears put Benson's career on hold for Thomas Jones.

If you ever compare Reggie Bush and Cedric Benson again, I will kill you dead.TIA

You mean, as opposed to just killing him? You will kill him dead?

Some things in life need to be made extra clear.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Brees with 2 INTS? Yikes. Was both his starting WRs playing?

I don't think Stallworth played -- though he's been benched in favor of Devery Henderson so he isn't even technically a starter anymore. I don't know if Horn played or not.

You mean "benched" when he was out with a hamstring injury, or do you mean that Henderson is considered a starter over Stallworth even when both are healthy? I haven't heard anything about Stallworth losing his starting job, and he's still listed as a starter on the Saints' depth chart, but if you've got any additional information on this can you give us the scoop?