Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
He was borderline 1000 yards with Painter. He is a lock for 1100 yards and 6TD's.
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Reggie Wayne - How is this guy WR30? (1 Viewer)
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tombonneau
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You're welcome. Only wish it had worked out as well in my own leagues.
I was surprised at him going fairly early in one and in auction I think he went for close to $20 which was surprising, but ultimately a correct value.I've got him in a couple leagues and consider him a bit of a sell high for two reasons:
-Luck threw the ball 45 times
-Austin Collie was out
I'm not sure how many times Wayne was targeted but if he was only targeted 10-11 times and caught 9 then that's further reason to consider selling high.
That being said, I don't think you can go wrong holding him (which is my plan unless I can find a great deal). I drafted him hoping for 5 rec/game which looks very reasonable even if Luck only throws it 30-35 times and Collie is healthy.
-Luck threw the ball 45 times
-Austin Collie was out
I'm not sure how many times Wayne was targeted but if he was only targeted 10-11 times and caught 9 then that's further reason to consider selling high.
That being said, I don't think you can go wrong holding him (which is my plan unless I can find a great deal). I drafted him hoping for 5 rec/game which looks very reasonable even if Luck only throws it 30-35 times and Collie is healthy.
Mash
Footballguy
18 targets. I'm actually jealous you own him. I would hang onto Wayne. Collie has had so many concussions that it is turning into a Jahvid Best scenario. I imagine the Colts will be playing from behind a lot this year. Luck will have to throw at least 30+ times a game the majority of the season.
I have Wayne in almost every league. Couldn't believe how low he was going this year.
In a PPR Dynasty I traded Shonne Greene for him and was mocked. I'd say it was a huge upgrade for my flex position.
Took him for 13 or less in every auction and 7th or later in every re-draft. Love it.
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the guy has always kept a low profile.
when he was a WR stud, he was always undervalued.
A lot of people assumed his weak season last year was due to a serious decline in skill. While some of that may be true and he may no longer be elite, he is still a very good WR. Last year, I saw a guy who got just under 1000 yards receiving with crap for QB's. I figured Luck (even as a rookie)would be a step up on all of them so I figured he should have been good for 1050-1150 yards and should have been ranked between 20 and 25 among WR's.
Given that Luck is still a rookie, there is too much risk to rank him much higher (even though it is possible he could do much better than the numbers I have posted)
I figure that with all risks taken into account this is reasonable.
when he was a WR stud, he was always undervalued.
A lot of people assumed his weak season last year was due to a serious decline in skill. While some of that may be true and he may no longer be elite, he is still a very good WR. Last year, I saw a guy who got just under 1000 yards receiving with crap for QB's. I figured Luck (even as a rookie)would be a step up on all of them so I figured he should have been good for 1050-1150 yards and should have been ranked between 20 and 25 among WR's.
Given that Luck is still a rookie, there is too much risk to rank him much higher (even though it is possible he could do much better than the numbers I have posted)
I figure that with all risks taken into account this is reasonable.
Mash
Footballguy
Short Corner
Footballguy
espn, nfl.com it has become a pretty common stat
tombonneau
Footballguy
Trying to gauge owner value of Wayne right now. I'm thinking of offering Desean Jackson straight up for him. Would that give an owner the feeling of selling high and getting a better commodity? I'm that big of a believer in Wayne and feel strongly this early in the season to "overpay" for a guy you think will do well.
I dont know if I'd take DeSean for Wayne after last years fiasco. At least Wayne wont pout and perform poorly when he's unhappy. He at least is a professional who does his best no matter the situation.
Short Corner
Footballguy
I have no problem with how DeSean handled last season. The Eagles were throwing money around to everyone else, yet refused to extend him in a contract year where he was making $400K (?). Forte played in good faith last season and then CHI tries to #### him over after he gets injured.Anyway...I wouldn't give up Wayne straight up for DeSean either (redraft). Would probably have to throw in a minor upgrade at RB3/WR3 as well for any type of serious consideration. In dynasty I probably do it.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Ironically, I own both in a dynasty league. DJax is riding the pine (and did this past week). You can always offer, but it looks like Wayne is a more stable WR2 than DJax, with just as much upside. The issue with the two is that Wayne's floor on a given week seems to be much higher, given Luck's willingness to target him like crazy. Even an "off" day for Wayne could look something like 14 targets for 8 receptions and 50+ yards. DJax had 7 games last season that would have been worse than that.As an example of the upside - DJax's best two games last season were 102 + 1 TD and 171 and 0 TDs. Wayne just posted 135 and 0 - in the rookie QB's first game...on the road. Sorry - I'd take Wayne over DJax. And if it's PPR? Aint even close.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Thanks guys. Good to get a sense of perceived value there.
I would laugh and hit REJECT in record time. Can't imagine any Wayne owner considering that trade.
Short Corner
Footballguy
I would stick with Wayne. Too many mouths to feed in NE and Wayne seems to be the guy on an Indy squad that will be playiing a lot of catch up.
I can respect that opinion, but as a professional you cant let those things affect what you do on the field. That's what I'm unhappy about with DeSean.either way, this thread is about wayne, and it looks like we are pretty close to an agreement on what his value is for trade.Nice post.
Simply Ravishing
Footballguy
Was just offered Wayne for Britt and Dwyer. I love Britt's upside, but I think I have to take this offer. I drafted RB's with my first three picks and came a way with T. Smith as my best WR.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Thanks for posting. This seems like fair value. Obviously Britt a wild card here which might be attractive to many Wayne owners who took him as a safe WR3 and are looking for a potential homerun type in exchange.
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
Reggie Wayne will still see 7-12 targets on a regular basis. Luck overthrew a wide open Wayne twice because of some pressure, Wayne should have actually caught 11 passes. Wayne is still a solid bet to post 4-6 rec for 50-80 yards on a consistent basis, with the opportunity to post some solid wr1 weeks. He should be locked in as a ppr wr2, and if Collie gets hurt again he will be a wr1. It still makes sense to check out what the market is for Wayne, but he should remain a solid starter for your team.
Shutout
Footballguy
Just additional info to add to the above:
Wayne seems to be a highly traded commodity in the leagues I'm involved in.
Since Sunday, I have seen his commonly traded for guys that you would say are beeter upside guys but less consistent.
I haven't seen him traded for DJAX, but I have seen him traded for VJAX, Torrey smith, and Stevie Johnson.
Wayne seems to be a highly traded commodity in the leagues I'm involved in.
Since Sunday, I have seen his commonly traded for guys that you would say are beeter upside guys but less consistent.
I haven't seen him traded for DJAX, but I have seen him traded for VJAX, Torrey smith, and Stevie Johnson.
DoubleG
Footballguy
That's the thing with Wayne. You'd be hard pressed to find a WR2 who is as consistant as he will likely be - and he was drafted as a WR3.He should easily see about 8-12 targets per game, yielding 6-10 catches for 40-75 yards - at the very least. You cant say that floor exsists for too many WR2s, let alone WR3s.
At his ADP, he is probably one of the "safest" WR2/WR3s there is - and the kicker is, he has legit WR1 upside on weeks he finds the endzone.
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Insoxicated
I don't know that I'd trade him for any of those guys....
Shutout
Footballguy
Yeah, in these leagues its easy to see the agenda of the teams involved. Better overall teams wanting the steady consistency of Wayne for now. The other teams looking at the keeper aspects down the road. In any case, its pretty obvious that Wayne has very quickly returned to a higher value comparable to guys that were drafted much higher. I can't really say I would trade him for any of these guys either and that's kind of crazy. I mean, given how high VJAX was likely drafted and now most people would rather have Wayne. funny hobby.
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