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[rickyg]

Let's make this a season long thread where we laugh at all of the horrific calls made by all of the "experts" in fantasy land.  

The ultimate lesson from this thread is two-fold: 1) go with your gut, not what the "experts say" when it comes to lineup decisions. 2) never bench your studs.  Especially this early in the season.  

This should be fun.

ill start with the easy ones tonight:

remember when most fantasy experts said to bench cam newton tonight for guys like cousins? 

Remember when they recommended benching kelvin Benjamin tonight?  

Remember when they said funchess would take over as wr1 over Benjamin?

Lol

 

[Todem]

Remember when.....

Wali Lundi was the next Marshall Faulk?

 

[Boone22]

Remember when...

Marshal Faulk had ball cancer. 

 

[JoeSteeler]

Hindsight is 20/20 dude

 

[msudaisy26]

Remember when this thread was on b page 1. Good times. 

 

[Snorkelson]

Remember the laundry pooper?

 

[packer_junkie]

Remember when I was an idiot and let my buddy tell me how awful CJ Anderson was all offseason

 

[wormburner]

Remember when . . . . .

You were doing all those mock drafts this past off season and "that guy" kept showing up (you know, the guy who wins all 100 of his leagues every year) and called you out for many of your early round picks?

I always hope the dooshes that mock on FFC are not from the Shark Pool.

 

[CentralPA]

Let's make this a season long thread where we laugh at all of the horrific calls made by all of the "experts" in fantasy land.  

The ultimate lesson from this thread is two-fold: 1) go with your gut, not what the "experts say" when it comes to lineup decisions. 2) never bench your studs.  Especially this early in the season.  

This should be fun.

ill start with the easy ones tonight:

remember when most fantasy experts said to bench cam newton tonight for guys like cousins? 

Remember when they recommended benching kelvin Benjamin tonight?  

Remember when they said funchess would take over as wr1 over Benjamin?

Lol

I'm looking at you Mr. Sigmund Bloom

 

[KarmaPolice]

Hindsight is 20/20 dude

Exactly, also it's week 1.

There were solid reasons for those recommendations. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

remember when most fantasy experts said to bench cam newton tonight for guys like cousins? 

It's not like Cam had some huge week that can't be surpassed by a lot of QBs including Cousins. I'd venture to bet that the highest he finishes this week is about QB9 - and I could see lower than that to be honest.

 

[rickyg]

Exactly, also it's week 1.

There were solid reasons for those recommendations. 

Dude.  Exactly point.  It's week 1.  If you drafted Cam, you probably took him in the first 3 rounds of your draft.  You don't draft a qb that high unless you believe he is elite and matchup proof.  You don't EVER bench a guy like that unless you're 4-5 games into the season and he's been consistently  horrible.  

Terrible terrible advice to bench Cam.  I don't own him, but if I drafted him he'd be in my lineup, simply BC he's my 3rd RD pick, it's week 1, I probably passed on a guy like Amari cooper or Watkins or a solid Rb to draft him, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

He had a solid game.  Wasn't spectacular.  But solid.  That's why you draft him IFyou draft him. 

Bc he's matchup proof.  This is an"bad" week for cam.  When you start getting cute and benching him in tough matchups, you'll almost assuredly miss out on a HUGE performance from him.

dont get cute.  Especially early in the season.  So dumb.  

As far as Benjamin, that advice was more palatable, BC reports were that he would be eased back in.  But if you drafted him, you probably took him as a low end wr2 or wr3.  As my wr3 I'll take his upside and risk any day in my lineup.  If you benched him for another good player with equal upside cool...but if you benched him for Tyler Lockett for example you're a fool.   A guy in my league last night (who is actually a good fantasy player) benched Benjamin for fitzgerald.  Huge mistake IMO.  Fitz is coming off a knee sprain, he faded down the stretch last season, he's a year older, and he's not even the wr1 on the cards this year.  Floyd is.  Fitz represents possibly a higher floor but a capped ceiling.  Benjamin had a way higher ceiling as his wr3.   Is it possible that fitz has a better week?  Sure. It's possible that Chris Conley can too.  The guy spent a 4th RD pick on Benjamin.   You start him.  

I bet you Benjamin won't be leaving his lineup rest of the season barring injury.  Lesson learned.  

The purpose of this thread isn't to bash the experts.  It's to say that there are no experts anymore.  It's a level playing field where everyone has access to all of the info.

dont get cute with lineup decisions.  Don't over analyze a stud player like a cam.  Go with your gut all else. 

If we keep this thread going all season, It will remind us of these truths all season long.  

 

[rickyg]

It's not like Cam had some huge week that can't be surpassed by a lot of QBs including Cousins. I'd venture to bet that the highest he finishes this week is about QB9 - and I could see lower than that to be honest.

Yes but again, he didn't HURT you this week if you started him.  He was solid.  Against the BEST defense in football.  What does that tell you about cam rest of the season?  Should you EVER bench cam if you drafted him?  

Next time you bench him based on a tough matchup might be a time where you miss out on a huge performance. I don't own him anywhere, but if I did he would be locked and loaded in my qb spot every week.  Regardless of matchup.  No brainier.  

Don't get cute.  Start your studs.  They're matchup proof.  

 

[Two Deep]

remember when somebody mocked the so called experts in regards to benching cam newton prior to any other quarterbacks having played.

 

[rickyg]

remember when somebody mocked the so called experts in regards to benching cam newton prior to any other quarterbacks having played.

You're missing the point here.  It doesn't matter if cousins outplays cam.   Why spend a 3rd RD pick on cam if he's not plug and play set it and forget it every week?  That's DUMB.  

if you're going to bench him week 1, here's an idea: don't draft him!  Wait on a qb and take guys like cousins and stafford after the 12th round and laugh your way to the bank.  

But if you forego another stud to draft cam that early you play him.  Plain and simple.  

 

[Hawkeye21]

You're missing the point here.  It doesn't matter if cousins outplays cam.   Why spend a 3rd RD pick on cam if he's not plug and play set it and forget it every week?  That's DUMB.  

if you're going to bench him week 1, here's an idea: don't draft him!  Wait on a qb and take guys like cousins and stafford after the 12th round and laugh your way to the bank.  

But if you forego another stud to draft cam that early you play him.  Plain and simple.  

How is someone going to have Cam and Cousins anyway?  Unless they drafted him as a second QB no one is going to picking up Cousins off waivers in order to start him over Cam.  Maybe his advice was more about avoiding drafting Cam since you can get a QB later than will put up just as many, if not more points in week 1.

 

[Two Deep]

You're missing the point here.  It doesn't matter if cousins outplays cam.   Why spend a 3rd RD pick on cam if he's not plug and play set it and forget it every week?  That's DUMB.  

if you're going to bench him week 1, here's an idea: don't draft him!  Wait on a qb and take guys like cousins and stafford after the 12th round and laugh your way to the bank.  

But if you forego another stud to draft cam that early you play him.  Plain and simple.  

even if you have another qb (say cousins) on your roster with a better matchup?

 

[rickyg]

How is someone going to have Cam and Cousins anyway?  Unless they drafted him as a second QB no one is going to picking up Cousins off waivers in order to start him over Cam.  Maybe his advice was more about avoiding drafting Cam since you can get a QB later than will put up just as many, if not more points in week 1.

I totally agree, bro.  I waited on QB this year and got winston and stafford.  I might pay for doing that, but it felt like this season was ripe for that strategy.  But if I drafted Cam, you bet your #### he'd be in my lineup every week he plays.  It's just idiotic not to approach it that way with your 3rd rd pick.  As far as why would someone have cam and cousins?  In my league every team drfats a backup QB even when they draft an elite QB high.  Don't ask me why.  I don't do that.  

 

[rickyg]

even if you have another qb (say cousins) on your roster with a better matchup?

Yes, even if you have cousins.  Cam has the upside (and the propensity) to win your matchup for you every week.  He's that good.  And his legs make him matchup proof.  look at what he did last night.  That's his floor.  I'll roll with that week in and week out so that I don't get too cute and lose out on a 50-burger because I sat him in a tough matchup.  

There were a whole slew of reasons to PLAY cam this week too.  1) revenge game, Panthers were coming out extra motivated.  2) Panthers defense not as good as last year and they knew they'd have to open up the offense.  3) His WRs this year are a MILLION times better than anything he was working with last year.  

I've been playing fantasy for a long time, man.  I know many of you have also been playing a long time as well.  But one thing I've learned is you don't bench elite players in WEEK 1.  Cam is like the brown or julio of QBs.  

 

[belljr]

Bernie Parmalee ran wild on a Monday night to give me the W

 

[TDorBust]

Yes, even if you have cousins.  ...I've been playing fantasy for a long time, man. ....

Let's just talk out our butts because we played a long time okay?

No player is matchup proof and sitting Cam is a legit option. Very few QBs I have been in the mindset ever to never look at the options and Cam is not one of them.

http://www.fftoday.com/tools/crank.php?Season=2015&Option=Season3&PosID=10&MinGames=4&Teams=12&Starters=1&View=Percent&LeagueID=1&order_by=1&sort_order=DESC

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yes but again, he didn't HURT you this week if you started him.  He was solid.  Against the BEST defense in football.  What does that tell you about cam rest of the season?  Should you EVER bench cam if you drafted him?  

Next time you bench him based on a tough matchup might be a time where you miss out on a huge performance. I don't own him anywhere, but if I did he would be locked and loaded in my qb spot every week.  Regardless of matchup.  No brainier.  

Don't get cute.  Start your studs.  They're matchup proof.  

You're missing the point. If some "expert" said to bench Cam for Cousins this week, he still may be right. I'm not saying I would have done it, but it's not outlandish to think he may have struggled against a top rated defense. As it is, it will likely turn out that he only put up an average performance when compared to other QBs this week after all is said and done. He likely will not have a tougher matchup this year so if that's his floor, you should be happy to own him going forward but if you benched him this week it's very likely it won't HURT you either since there will be plenty of QBs that throw for 2 TDs this week.

 

[Todem]

Remember when Patrick Jeffers was immortal? STUD.

 

[flysack]

...when Karim Abdul-Jabbar came out of retirement from the Lakers to score 15 TDs for the 97' Dolphins?

 

[LittlePhatty]

Experts provide information and opinions. You make your own decisions after that. Imagine trying to play fantasy sports without the vast amount of content provided to you (in many cases for free) by these experts. No websites, no TV shows dedicated to fantasy, no magazines, no consensus player rankings, etc. Are you going to collect all that info yourself smehow?

I'll gladly take the bad opinions along with all of that other data because I can filter out what I think is B.S. (just like the OP did, if he started Cam). It's my decision to accept or reject the opinions/calls of an expert, so I'm certainly not going to blame them when they are wrong. We're all trying to predict the future, we're all going to be wrong sometimes.

 

[Chaka]

Remember when Patrick Jeffers Drew Bennett was immortal? STUD.

 

[rickyg]

Experts provide information and opinions. You make your own decisions after that. Imagine trying to play fantasy sports without the vast amount of content provided to you (in many cases for free) by these experts. No websites, no TV shows dedicated to fantasy, no magazines, no consensus player rankings, etc. Are you going to collect all that info yourself smehow?

I'll gladly take the bad opinions along with all of that other data because I can filter out what I think is B.S. (just like the OP did, if he started Cam). It's my decision to accept or reject the opinions/calls of an expert, so I'm certainly not going to blame them when they are wrong. We're all trying to predict the future, we're all going to be wrong sometimes.

I agree with evening you said except my intention wasn't to blame experts.  It was just to point out exactly at you said.  Go with your gut.  Start your studs especially week 1. Start your studs until they give you are really good reason not to.  

The experts IMO got too cut with this one. 

 

[fatness]

Remember when this was finally the year Michael Bennett (RB, Vikings) was going to go off?

 

[iamkoza]

c-mike?

cousins might still be the better start this week, we'll find out monday night.  Denver pass D was elite last year, any reasonable person who had alternatives was right to bench KB last night.  you can poop on xperts all you want, but do people really just blindly trust expert rankings?  I use them as a tool... especially when the expert provides facts to backup his rankings... it all gets combined and then I start who I feel is going to get me the most points.