Replacing kicker before the season *Kicker on IR* (1 Viewer)

[Terpman22]

, Kicker just went on IR.

Draft already happened.

Not surprisingly someone is piping up about this

 

[GreenNGold]

I don't understand the question, is free agency locked? Free agency would be open in all my leagues to pick up another kicker.

 

[Mitchie]

The Sanders injury has been known for a while, thought this was going to be about Tyler Bass.

 

[The Kerminator]

Don't get the question. Please clarify

 

[Skipdog77]

He was placed on IR on Aug 26th, he didn't "just" go on IR. Team either needs to drop him and pick up a replacement, or move him to IR and pick up a replacement.

ETA: If your league doesn't allow for FA moves before Week 1, then that person who only drafted one K is SOL and takes a zero for the week. Follow your league rules is always the correct answer.

 

[Kevrunner]

Just bad luck for that owner, I wouldn’t change any rule. I am guessing the waivers won’t be open until after week 1. So he will be without a kicker week 1. We went to Team kickers for this particular circumstance.

 

[Terpman22]

The Sanders injury has been known for a while, thought this was going to be about Tyler Bass.

I had it wrong it’s Bass my b I edited

 

[Terpman22]

He was placed on IR on Aug 26th, he didn't "just" go on IR. Team either needs to drop him and pick up a replacement, or move him to IR and pick up a replacement.

Wrong kicker it’s Bass that’s how little kickers matter to me

 

[Skipdog77]

He was placed on IR on Aug 26th, he didn't "just" go on IR. Team either needs to drop him and pick up a replacement, or move him to IR and pick up a replacement.

Wrong kicker it’s Bass that’s how little kickers matter to me

Does your league allow for FA moves prior to week 1 games?

 

[Terpman22]

Just bad luck for that owner, I wouldn’t change any rule. I am guessing the waivers won’t be open until after week 1. So he will be without a kicker week 1. We went to Team kickers for this particular circumstance.

Correct

I’ve seen it happen over the years in dynasties and it’s never been an issue.

While dollar amount prob should not be a factor this is a local league full of friends acquaintances and girlfriends so it’s more about fun than cutthroat spirit but I get it also.

F****** hate being commissioner most days

 

[Terpman22]

He was placed on IR on Aug 26th, he didn't "just" go on IR. Team either needs to drop him and pick up a replacement, or move him to IR and pick up a replacement.

Wrong kicker it’s Bass that’s how little kickers matter to me

Does your league allow for FA moves prior to week 1 games?

No

 

[J Giles Band]

Case closed.

If anyone in your league rostered 2 kickers (unlikely as it may be), the owner can try to trade for one of them. Otherwise, there is nothing to debate. Unless you want to change the week 1 FA rule for next season.

 

[Skipdog77]

Just bad luck for that owner, I wouldn’t change any rule. I am guessing the waivers won’t be open until after week 1. So he will be without a kicker week 1. We went to Team kickers for this particular circumstance.

Correct

I’ve seen it happen over the years in dynasties and it’s never been an issue.

While dollar amount prob should not be a factor this is a local league full of friends acquaintances and girlfriends so it’s more about fun than cutthroat spirit but I get it also.

F****** hate being commissioner most days

Follow your rules, keep it consistent and gives you something to fall back on.

Would you give the X. Worthy owner a do-over for this week?

 

[Deamon]

, Kicker just went on IR.

Draft already happened.

Not surprisingly someone is piping up about this

Your league should have free agency FCFS open already. Some rare leagues do not allow waivers until after week 1. Almost all of those have a caveat in their bylaws that if a kicker is hurt unexpectedly, you can swap him out.

If your league doesn't have either of those, that sucks.

 

[Terpman22]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

 

[Mitchie]

Not sure I agree that dollar amount isn't an issue, if it's a low stakes league amongst friends maybe I'd allow a pickup but could go either way, but maybe for the future allow kicker pickups if this happens again.

ETA: One idea would be to allow the opponent to try to pick the worst kicker, which is a bit of a compromise and adds a fun element to it.

 

[Terpman22]

, Kicker just went on IR.

Draft already happened.

Not surprisingly someone is piping up about this

Your league should have free agency FCFS open already. Some rare leagues do not allow waivers until after week 1. Almost all of those have a caveat in their bylaws that if a kicker is hurt unexpectedly, you can swap him out.

If your league doesn't have either of those, that sucks.

Yeah I hate having waivers open after a draft so I normally have them locked.

And it’s a yahoo league never really wrote up bylaws bc it’s a cheap cheap $35 league but naturally the guy facing the team without a kicker is throwing a s*** fit

I see both sides I really do I’m just like “man this isn’t THAT big of a deal”

Maybe I’m the crazy one

 

[J Giles Band]

, Kicker just went on IR.

Draft already happened.

Not surprisingly someone is piping up about this

Your league should have free agency FCFS open already. Some rare leagues do not allow waivers until after week 1. Almost all of those have a caveat in their bylaws that if a kicker is hurt unexpectedly, you can swap him out.

If your league doesn't have either of those, that sucks.

Our league is similar. First FA bidding period is prior to week 2. There are certainly pro's and con's to this. But ultimately, you assemble your roster knowing the rules (#1 rule of drafting).

The bolded above is interesting... but odd that it would be limited to K only (the position least likely affected by injury). The assumption is because everyone only rosters one K... I get it. But that could be true at other spots as well (QB, TE and IDP spots if you play IDP).

 

[Terpman22]

, Kicker just went on IR.

Draft already happened.

Not surprisingly someone is piping up about this

Your league should have free agency FCFS open already. Some rare leagues do not allow waivers until after week 1. Almost all of those have a caveat in their bylaws that if a kicker is hurt unexpectedly, you can swap him out.

If your league doesn't have either of those, that sucks.

Our league is similar. First FA bidding period is prior to week 2. There are certainly pro's and con's to this. But ultimately, you assemble your roster knowing the rules (#1 rule of drafting).

The bolded above is interesting... but odd that it would be limited to K only (the position least likely affected by injury). The assumption is because everyone only rosters one K... I get it. But that could be true at other spots as well (QB, TE and IDP spots if you play IDP).

Yeah for kicker it’s just I dunno you HAVE to have 1, no one rosters 2, there is no flex spot.

And personally just feel the unpredictable nature of the position itself would make it less a big deal.

16 team rosters so I’d assume everyone rosters depth

At the same time I guess the argument could be made if you only draft 1 QB, and it happened to a QB, I’d probably be less apt to let someone add a QB post draft, which while I’m tripping this, feel hypocritical.

 

[J Giles Band]

I appreciate the fact you have empathy. And understand it is a friendly league.

But there is really nothing to debate. Just an unfortunate situation (again, unless someone has an extra K he can trade for). Otherwise, it is a chalk it up to experience situation and he either rosters a backup K next season (if he is scarred by it) or you allow FA pickups in advance of week 1. Not to mention, the chances the K changes the outcome are what? Not zero, but it very well may not matter. Allowing him to just add a K now would be a kind gesture to the owner... but making up rules as you go, and a slippery slope later if someone else finds themselves in a pinch one week and asks for a similar dispensation.

 

[Terpman22]

I appreciate the fact you have empathy. And understand it is a friendly league.

But there is really nothing to debate. Just an unfortunate situation (again, unless someone has an extra K he can trade for). Otherwise, it is a chalk it up to experience situation and he either rosters a backup K next season (if he is scarred by it) or you allow FA pickups in advance of week 1. Not to mention, the chances the K changes the outcome are what? Not zero, but it very well may not matter. Allowing him to just add a K now would be a kind gesture to the owner... but making up rules as you go, and a slippery slope later if someone else finds themselves in a pinch one week and asks for a similar dispensation.

Fair point here.

I appreciate the responses, truly.

 

[Hankmoody]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

 

[Terpman22]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

 

[Deamon]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

Ya I mean it sounds like you're not involved in the matchup but you're the commish?

I'd reach out to the angry guy, explain the situation. Ask him if he would be cool with adding a kicker and that you will even let him add whichever kicker to his opponents line up he wants (That was a great idea by the poster above). If he still is digging his heels in and absolutely won't budge, I think you gotta just make the guy play without a kicker unfortunately.... and then hope that the kickerless guy smokes the angry guy.

 

[Terpman22]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

Ya I mean it sounds like you're not involved in the matchup but you're the commish?

I'd reach out to the angry guy, explain the situation. Ask him if he would be cool with adding a kicker and that you will even let him add whichever kicker to his opponents line up he wants (That was a great idea by the poster above). If he still is digging his heels in and absolutely won't budge, I think you gotta just make the guy play without a kicker unfortunately.... and then hope that the kickerless guy smokes the angry guy.

Correct I’m commish the only league I am one bc yeah I hate this s***.

Issue has been resolved dude is going kickerless.

Appreciate all the responses here.

 

[rockaction]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

Our league used Week 18 stats that year, and I won because of it. I feel like the legitimate champ, but I now kind of disagree with our league's decision because it's all-too hinky to import a subsequent week's stats as if that were the original week and the original opponent. I had Ja'Marr Chase going and he had Tee Higgins with me trying to make up a seventeen or so point deficit on that Monday night. I specifically remember Buffalo in Cover 2 and 3 to help stymie Chase deep and the announcers (or something I was reading) being very specific that they would take him away that way, and I don't think I had a chance to make up the deficit I needed to make up with the talent and scheme that Buffalo was playing. Week 18? The other team let Chase run all over everywhere whenever he wanted and I won by five or so points. Higgins did very little and Chase went off. You did the right thing with the zeros.

That's what Joe did for the FBG contest and the other contests did also. Don't feel like you didn't do the right thing there. But you could have done a myriad number of things and had them be justifiable because that was never foreseen by about 99.99% of the population.

This one, to back up Hankmoody, is very foreseeable by the player. It shouldn't be altered even if you hate the other dude and think he's being an ***. We follow kickers before the subscriber contest. This kind of possibility is pretty well-known, although I can totally see where somebody would miss it or not think about it. It's too bad, really. You hope it doesn't ruin people's enjoyment of something fun.

 

[JoeSteeler]

, Kicker just went on IR.

Draft already happened.

Not surprisingly someone is piping up about this

Your league should have free agency FCFS open already. Some rare leagues do not allow waivers until after week 1. Almost all of those have a caveat in their bylaws that if a kicker is hurt unexpectedly, you can swap him out.

If your league doesn't have either of those, that sucks.

Yeah I hate having waivers open after a draft so I normally have them locked.

And it’s a yahoo league never really wrote up bylaws bc it’s a cheap cheap $35 league but naturally the guy facing the team without a kicker is throwing a s*** fit

I see both sides I really do I’m just like “man this isn’t THAT big of a deal”

Maybe I’m the crazy one

Why do you hate having waivers open?

 

[JoeSteeler]

I didn't know some leagues don't open waivers right after the draft. What is the thought process behind this?

 

[Terpman22]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

Our league used Week 18 stats that year, and I won because of it. I feel like the legitimate champ, but I now kind of disagree with our league's decision because it's all-too hinky to import a subsequent week's stats as if that were the original week and the original opponent. I had Ja'Marr Chase going and he had Tee Higgins with me trying to make up a seventeen or so point deficit on that Monday night. I specifically remember Buffalo in Cover 2 and 3 to help stymie Chase deep and the announcers (or something I was reading) being very specific that they would take him away that way, and I don't think I had a chance to make up the deficit I needed to make up with the talent and scheme that Buffalo was playing. Week 18? The other team let Chase run all over everywhere whenever he wanted and I won by five or so points. Higgins did very little and Chase went off. You did the right thing with the zeros.

That's what Joe did for the FBG contest and the other contests did also. Don't feel like you didn't do the right thing there. But you could have done a myriad number of things and had them be justifiable because that was never foreseen by about 99.99% of the population.

This one, to back up Hankmoody, is very foreseeable by the player. It shouldn't be altered even if you hate the other dude and think he's being an ***. We follow kickers before the subscriber contest. This kind of possibility is pretty well-known, although I can totally see where somebody would miss it or not think about it. It's too bad, really. You hope it doesn't ruin people's enjoyment of something fun.

Appreciate the response.

But real quick - that year was the first year I got my wife into her own family’s league. She beat me in the championship that year - I was down 17 also but had Chase AND Diggs. Her cousin was commish and literally just didn’t do anything at all. Like literally nothing not like “Hey this is what I think” Just, ya know I ended up w 8 starters vs 10. Be what it is.

Now this I commish this is the 3rd year of it (rookie off a year between 1 and 2 bc we had a baby) and it’s casual casual. Like there def is $$$ involved - but for instance a guy literally barely knows ANYTHING player this year - so maybe ch that he tried to literally draft a player and his sticker was “Team Free Agent” and this was round 13 or so and no one had an issue with like “nah bro like pick at least a player you n an NFL team” And he ended up taking Dare, RB Texans.

We also kinda made a big deal at the beginning of letting everyone know who was injured/suspended etc just so people know know.

Most of these folks - this is literally the only fantasy football league they have ever played.

I had to literally teach “How Waivers work” the first year.

And this is the Shark Pool so lol I’m getting what I’d expect.

Really do appreciate the responses and as lame as I might think it be and with all the info we have available-it’s the right call with no kicker.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t understand the premise. Why can’t someone drop a kicker and add one in some way? Every league i’m in either has waivers then FCFS, or waivers only 2x a week wed & sat, or FCFS only.

Never heard of a league where a guy couldn’t replace a hurt kicker.

If that’s the rule (and I have to say, absolutely terrible rule that makes life harder, not easier for the commish) then maybe consider going to team kicker, like the NFFC contests. That would solve everything, because you wouldn’t need a claim. You’d just have the replacement.

Anyway, I don’t get it. Let the dude have a kicker and post up a note that this is the new normal. Problem solved.

 

[JoeSteeler]

I don’t understand the premise. Why can’t someone drop a kicker and add one in some way? Every league in in either has waivers then FCFS, or waivers only 2x a week wed & sat, or FCFS only.

Never heard of a league where a guy couldn’t replace a hurt kicker.

If that’s the rule (and I have to say, absolutely terrible rule that makes life harder, not easier for the commish) then maybe consider going to team kicker, like the NFFC contests. That would solve everything, because you wouldn’t need a claim. You’d just have the replacement.

Anyway, I don’t get it. Let the dude have a kicker and post up a note that this is the new normal. Problem solved.

Sounds like no adds/drops allowed prior to week 2 for some reason.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Most of these folks - this is literally the only fantasy football league they have ever played.

I had to literally teach “How Waivers work” the first year.

Ok, given this context I’m going g to quadruple what I said. Give the dude a K. Manage the league. You’re commish and you’ve got a bunch of n00bs, put down some ground rules. Leagues like that need guidance, not letter of the law tough love.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t understand the premise. Why can’t someone drop a kicker and add one in some way? Every league in in either has waivers then FCFS, or waivers only 2x a week wed & sat, or FCFS only.

Never heard of a league where a guy couldn’t replace a hurt kicker.

If that’s the rule (and I have to say, absolutely terrible rule that makes life harder, not easier for the commish) then maybe consider going to team kicker, like the NFFC contests. That would solve everything, because you wouldn’t need a claim. You’d just have the replacement.

Anyway, I don’t get it. Let the dude have a kicker and post up a note that this is the new normal. Problem solved.

Sounds like no adds/drops allowed prior to week 2 for some reason.

Terrible no good very bad set up. That’s what needs to be changed. Were I commish taking over a league like this I’d just do it by fiat. “Ok folks, here’s the new waiver rule, go!”

 

[Terpman22]

I didn't know some leagues don't open waivers right after the draft. What is the thought process behind this?

I alway say “why would you draft players then just drop them to pick up folks right after the draft”

People wanted to be super duper about it and finish a draft, then go pick up the max players they can and toss them on IR, in a way allowing them to draft a team + 2 extra players.

I suppose these instances where a guy gets hurt this would be a reason but other than that I always thought having waivers open right after the draft was strange because bless it’s the draft happened well before the season.

We drafted last Sunday like a lot of folks do I’m just like “a week before the draft is close enough to lock up rosters”

Just my personal preference and since I do all the work and spend all my own money on the draft board, a big ole smoker pork butt good and drinks and just at my house every year, along with creating the league- just how I set it up.

D bag guy already is saying stuff like “Maybe we shouldn’t use yahoo next year” and this is his first year in the league, to give insight a little on the type o person we are dealing with.

 

[Ardbeg4ever]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

We ended splitting the pot that year. Team with Diggs 95% would have won but you can't give a win on what should happen. I've had players get hurt on the 1st pass, get thrown out, get into a car accident on the way to the game (Bengals RB). Rules are there for a reason.

 

[rockaction]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

Our league used Week 18 stats that year, and I won because of it. I feel like the legitimate champ, but I now kind of disagree with our league's decision because it's all-too hinky to import a subsequent week's stats as if that were the original week and the original opponent. I had Ja'Marr Chase going and he had Tee Higgins with me trying to make up a seventeen or so point deficit on that Monday night. I specifically remember Buffalo in Cover 2 and 3 to help stymie Chase deep and the announcers (or something I was reading) being very specific that they would take him away that way, and I don't think I had a chance to make up the deficit I needed to make up with the talent and scheme that Buffalo was playing. Week 18? The other team let Chase run all over everywhere whenever he wanted and I won by five or so points. Higgins did very little and Chase went off. You did the right thing with the zeros.

That's what Joe did for the FBG contest and the other contests did also. Don't feel like you didn't do the right thing there. But you could have done a myriad number of things and had them be justifiable because that was never foreseen by about 99.99% of the population.

This one, to back up Hankmoody, is very foreseeable by the player. It shouldn't be altered even if you hate the other dude and think he's being an ***. We follow kickers before the subscriber contest. This kind of possibility is pretty well-known, although I can totally see where somebody would miss it or not think about it. It's too bad, really. You hope it doesn't ruin people's enjoyment of something fun.

Appreciate the response.

But real quick - that year was the first year I got my wife into her own family’s league. She beat me in the championship that year - I was down 17 also but had Chase AND Diggs. Her cousin was commish and literally just didn’t do anything at all. Like literally nothing not like “Hey this is what I think” Just, ya know I ended up w 8 starters vs 10. Be what it is.

Now this I commish this is the 3rd year of it (rookie off a year between 1 and 2 bc we had a baby) and it’s casual casual. Like there def is $$$ involved - but for instance a guy literally barely knows ANYTHING player this year - so maybe ch that he tried to literally draft a player and his sticker was “Team Free Agent” and this was round 13 or so and no one had an issue with like “nah bro like pick at least a player you n an NFL team” And he ended up taking Dare, RB Texans.

We also kinda made a big deal at the beginning of letting everyone know who was injured/suspended etc just so people know know.

Most of these folks - this is literally the only fantasy football league they have ever played.

I had to literally teach “How Waivers work” the first year.

And this is the Shark Pool so lol I’m getting what I’d expect.

Really do appreciate the responses and as lame as I might think it be and with all the info we have available-it’s the right call with no kicker.

You know what? I was going to say that everything is context-dependent but I didn't because I assumed this was like a standard, fairly serious league that SP participants wouldn't say was an involved league but wasn't this casual. No way is my advice that I gave before really applicable or appropriate, then. It's totally different.

As for the Buffalo thing, you were completely owed an explanation by the commissioner, but I would also maybe say to think about showing the guy who was commissioner of that league grace (you seem like you did) because he might have had no clue about what to do or, get this, even that it happened. And if he did know what happened, his first thought might not have been that you had two guys in the championship and that it was determinative of the outcome. He just might have plum not realized it if the league wasn't serious. They sort of advertise that it's set it and forget it stuff.

I have to laugh. That's the problem with being serious in a non-serious league. Or even if you're not serious, just knowing what a serious league is like. LOL. I remember my first year of fantasy football I read so much (I still had no experience) but I knew way more about what was going on in the league and in the NFL than everybody but one very serious dude. Between us, we knew much more than our commish or our league that year. I really liked our commish as a friend and even though the league is defunct, we'll still write each other every so often, but that's neither here nor there. But it was a weird progression and some people just keep it casual while others get really into it.

Anyway, I digress. If people were like that at the draft then you're left with a decision I can't really help with other than to say that at some point it's good to have firm rules that cover almost everything or things get arbitrary and can bring out the worst in people who might otherwise get along. Or they might not be getting along and the arbitrariness and wiggle room becomes a tool by which they express problems with each other that originate elsewhere. Seen **** like that.

Good luck, man.

 

[Terpman22]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

Our league used Week 18 stats that year, and I won because of it. I feel like the legitimate champ, but I now kind of disagree with our league's decision because it's all-too hinky to import a subsequent week's stats as if that were the original week and the original opponent. I had Ja'Marr Chase going and he had Tee Higgins with me trying to make up a seventeen or so point deficit on that Monday night. I specifically remember Buffalo in Cover 2 and 3 to help stymie Chase deep and the announcers (or something I was reading) being very specific that they would take him away that way, and I don't think I had a chance to make up the deficit I needed to make up with the talent and scheme that Buffalo was playing. Week 18? The other team let Chase run all over everywhere whenever he wanted and I won by five or so points. Higgins did very little and Chase went off. You did the right thing with the zeros.

That's what Joe did for the FBG contest and the other contests did also. Don't feel like you didn't do the right thing there. But you could have done a myriad number of things and had them be justifiable because that was never foreseen by about 99.99% of the population.

This one, to back up Hankmoody, is very foreseeable by the player. It shouldn't be altered even if you hate the other dude and think he's being an ***. We follow kickers before the subscriber contest. This kind of possibility is pretty well-known, although I can totally see where somebody would miss it or not think about it. It's too bad, really. You hope it doesn't ruin people's enjoyment of something fun.

Appreciate the response.

But real quick - that year was the first year I got my wife into her own family’s league. She beat me in the championship that year - I was down 17 also but had Chase AND Diggs. Her cousin was commish and literally just didn’t do anything at all. Like literally nothing not like “Hey this is what I think” Just, ya know I ended up w 8 starters vs 10. Be what it is.

Now this I commish this is the 3rd year of it (rookie off a year between 1 and 2 bc we had a baby) and it’s casual casual. Like there def is $$$ involved - but for instance a guy literally barely knows ANYTHING player this year - so maybe ch that he tried to literally draft a player and his sticker was “Team Free Agent” and this was round 13 or so and no one had an issue with like “nah bro like pick at least a player you n an NFL team” And he ended up taking Dare, RB Texans.

We also kinda made a big deal at the beginning of letting everyone know who was injured/suspended etc just so people know know.

Most of these folks - this is literally the only fantasy football league they have ever played.

I had to literally teach “How Waivers work” the first year.

And this is the Shark Pool so lol I’m getting what I’d expect.

Really do appreciate the responses and as lame as I might think it be and with all the info we have available-it’s the right call with no kicker.

You know what? I was going to say that everything is context-dependent but I didn't because I assumed this was like a standard, fairly serious league that SP participants wouldn't say was an involved league but wasn't this casual. No way is my advice that I gave before really applicable or appropriate, then. It's totally different.

As for the Buffalo thing, you were completely owed an explanation by the commissioner, but I would also maybe say to think about showing the guy who was commissioner of that league grace (you seem like you did) because he might have had no clue about what to do or, get this, even that it happened. And if he did know what happened, his first thought might not have been that you had two guys in the championship and that it was determinative of the outcome. He just might have plum not realized it if the league wasn't serious. They sort of advertise that it's set it and forget it stuff.

I have to laugh. That's the problem with being serious in a non-serious league. Or even if you're not serious, just knowing what a serious league is like. LOL. I remember my first year of fantasy football I read so much (I still had no experience) but I knew way more about what was going on in the league and in the NFL than everybody but one very serious dude. Between us, we knew much more than our commish or our league that year. I really liked our commish as a friend and even though the league is defunct, we'll still write each other every so often, but that's neither here nor there. But it was a weird progression and some people just keep it casual while others get really into it.

Anyway, I digress. If people were like that at the draft then you're left with a decision I can't really help with other than to say that at some point it's good to have firm rules that cover almost everything or things get arbitrary and can bring out the worst in people who might otherwise get along. Or they might not be getting along and the arbitrariness and wiggle room becomes a tool by which they express problems with each other that originate elsewhere. Seen **** like that.

Good luck, man.

Thanks man. I’m not gonna go crazy haha and say we just became best friends but I’ve really appreciated your responses here and have enjoyed this interaction.

Cheers.

 

[BassNBrew]

Rule are rules in this case. Draft a backup or roll the dice.

 

[rockaction]

For the hard core folks “no way rules are rules”

When the Bills player died and came back to life a few years back and the game just “never happened”

Is it safe to assume you let those teams just not be able do anything about not having those players in your lineup? I think it was fantasy playoffs.

Diggs and Chase both were having big years that year and I’m just curious if you were as rigid about that situation

Huge difference between something that not only has never happened but has probably rarely ever even been considered possible.
Owner knew the rules and drafted only one PK.
PK goes on IR and per the rules there are no pickups prior to year 1.
This is open and shut.

Sounds like you're seeking permission from the general public to make an exception. Just do it if that's your thing.

We went to team PK in my homer league years ago, solves this kind of issue. If you must be a good guy maybe poll the league about what they feel about doing team PK as this resolution.

In the spirit of rules are rules that year I just had to accept zeroes from Chase and Diggs with an incomplete roster. It was actually championship week now that I recall.

But I get it and I’m genuinely asking what folks do sounds like I’m in the minority here.

Our league used Week 18 stats that year, and I won because of it. I feel like the legitimate champ, but I now kind of disagree with our league's decision because it's all-too hinky to import a subsequent week's stats as if that were the original week and the original opponent. I had Ja'Marr Chase going and he had Tee Higgins with me trying to make up a seventeen or so point deficit on that Monday night. I specifically remember Buffalo in Cover 2 and 3 to help stymie Chase deep and the announcers (or something I was reading) being very specific that they would take him away that way, and I don't think I had a chance to make up the deficit I needed to make up with the talent and scheme that Buffalo was playing. Week 18? The other team let Chase run all over everywhere whenever he wanted and I won by five or so points. Higgins did very little and Chase went off. You did the right thing with the zeros.

That's what Joe did for the FBG contest and the other contests did also. Don't feel like you didn't do the right thing there. But you could have done a myriad number of things and had them be justifiable because that was never foreseen by about 99.99% of the population.

This one, to back up Hankmoody, is very foreseeable by the player. It shouldn't be altered even if you hate the other dude and think he's being an ***. We follow kickers before the subscriber contest. This kind of possibility is pretty well-known, although I can totally see where somebody would miss it or not think about it. It's too bad, really. You hope it doesn't ruin people's enjoyment of something fun.

Appreciate the response.

But real quick - that year was the first year I got my wife into her own family’s league. She beat me in the championship that year - I was down 17 also but had Chase AND Diggs. Her cousin was commish and literally just didn’t do anything at all. Like literally nothing not like “Hey this is what I think” Just, ya know I ended up w 8 starters vs 10. Be what it is.

Now this I commish this is the 3rd year of it (rookie off a year between 1 and 2 bc we had a baby) and it’s casual casual. Like there def is $$$ involved - but for instance a guy literally barely knows ANYTHING player this year - so maybe ch that he tried to literally draft a player and his sticker was “Team Free Agent” and this was round 13 or so and no one had an issue with like “nah bro like pick at least a player you n an NFL team” And he ended up taking Dare, RB Texans.

We also kinda made a big deal at the beginning of letting everyone know who was injured/suspended etc just so people know know.

Most of these folks - this is literally the only fantasy football league they have ever played.

I had to literally teach “How Waivers work” the first year.

And this is the Shark Pool so lol I’m getting what I’d expect.

Really do appreciate the responses and as lame as I might think it be and with all the info we have available-it’s the right call with no kicker.

You know what? I was going to say that everything is context-dependent but I didn't because I assumed this was like a standard, fairly serious league that SP participants wouldn't say was an involved league but wasn't this casual. No way is my advice that I gave before really applicable or appropriate, then. It's totally different.

As for the Buffalo thing, you were completely owed an explanation by the commissioner, but I would also maybe say to think about showing the guy who was commissioner of that league grace (you seem like you did) because he might have had no clue about what to do or, get this, even that it happened. And if he did know what happened, his first thought might not have been that you had two guys in the championship and that it was determinative of the outcome. He just might have plum not realized it if the league wasn't serious. They sort of advertise that it's set it and forget it stuff.

I have to laugh. That's the problem with being serious in a non-serious league. Or even if you're not serious, just knowing what a serious league is like. LOL. I remember my first year of fantasy football I read so much (I still had no experience) but I knew way more about what was going on in the league and in the NFL than everybody but one very serious dude. Between us, we knew much more than our commish or our league that year. I really liked our commish as a friend and even though the league is defunct, we'll still write each other every so often, but that's neither here nor there. But it was a weird progression and some people just keep it casual while others get really into it.

Anyway, I digress. If people were like that at the draft then you're left with a decision I can't really help with other than to say that at some point it's good to have firm rules that cover almost everything or things get arbitrary and can bring out the worst in people who might otherwise get along. Or they might not be getting along and the arbitrariness and wiggle room becomes a tool by which they express problems with each other that originate elsewhere. Seen **** like that.

Good luck, man.

Thanks man. I’m not gonna go crazy haha and say we just became best friends but I’ve really appreciated your responses here and have enjoyed this interaction.

Cheers.

Cool. Thank you. That makes me smile. Now I can get ornery again and we can still go at it about Carter and the Eagles, but I appreciate you saying that.

Best to you and have a good night.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

no waivers until after week 1 is pretty unfair

 

[Terpman22]

no waivers until after week 1 is pretty unfair

Truly I’m just trying to give the noobs a chance bc there are like 3-4 of us that play in multiple leagues, dynos etc and the rest this is literally the only league they’ve ever played in in their entire life.

But I think it’s a change in making for sure next year so I don’t have to manage it like this anymore.

But I appreciate your response still.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

If anyone in your league rostered 2 kickers (unlikely as it may be), the owner can try to trade for one of them.

im in a league where we have a HUGE bench (3o) and dude has like 7 kickers likely for this exact scenerio

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

no waivers until after week 1 is pretty unfair

Truly I’m just trying to give the noobs a chance bc there are like 3-4 of us that play in multiple leagues, dynos etc and the rest this is literally the only league they’ve ever played in in their entire life.

But I think it’s a change in making for sure next year so I don’t have to manage it like this anymore.

But I appreciate your response still.

Are you suggesting that it would be unfair to the new players to have open waivers because all the experienced owners would make good use of the pre week 1 waivers?

 

[waiver wire]

i have been in many different leagues with lots of different as an owner and a commish
I have been screwed with my K getting injured before the 1st game and that league didnt have waivers , thats life.

 

[brewer]

The why not open waivers week 1 question, how do you determine a waiver order for a redraft league before any games are played?

Let's say a QB on a great team gets an injury in the lead up to game 1. The backup will be immediately a difference maker. Who should get that guy?

Stuff like Bass going on IR is unfortunate but I think it's easier to say, waivers are locked week 1 than hear the argument about why was team X randomly allowed to pick up a king maker.