Report: Herm Edwards to KC for mid-round picks (1 Viewer)

[brednbuddah]

Herm was scheduled to be on WFAN at 2p est. If it happened, I missed it. Did anybody hear that interview?

 

[Kiddnets]

As per our favorite PFT siteChris Mortensen of ESPN reports that talks have stalled between the Chiefs and Jets regarding the potential relocation of coach Herman Edwards to K.C.Per Mort, the Jets wants a fourth-round and a fifth-round pick for Edwards, but the Chiefs are reluctant to send the picks.The perception around the league, Mortensen says, is that Chiefs G.M. Carl Peterson believes Edwards "is no longer welcomed in New York by Jets owner Woody Johnson, who is reportedly tired over Edwards' status."One of our league sources that Peterson's stance is "f--king stupid.""Typical Peterson," the source said, "making sh-t out of nothing." The source thinks that a four and a five is meaningless consideration to give up in order to get a coach that is under contract with another team.As to concerns expressed by league sources to Mortensen that Peterson could lose Edwards to someone else if he ultimately is fired by the Jets, our reaction is this -- if someone else really wants Edwards now, all they need to do is come up with a four and a five. All due respect to Herm and his 4-12 record, but we suspect Woody Johnson's phone has been ringing (except for those prank calls from kids who like to say the words "Woody" and "Johnson" in the same breath). Besides, Edwards is unlikely to hit the coaching carousel if fired by the Jets. Our guess is that he already has terms worked out with the Chiefs, and that he'd make a bee line to Kansas City if/when he is fired by the Jets.

 

[Kiddnets]

Getting crazier - back at the table. Jets ready to announce Herm resigned?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2281911

 

[brednbuddah]

Getting crazier - back at the table. Jets ready to announce Herm resigned?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2281911

Peterson is smart to try and hold out until the Jets let Edwards go. He's not going anywhere but to KC. Why not try to save a couple draft picks in the process?If the Jets hire Haslett, I'll choke myself. I'm already having flashbacks. Haslett sounds too much like Coslet.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Don't the Jets hold all the cards here?They have him signed for another 2 years at roughly 1.5 million per.KC wants him.The Jets don't have to do anything but wait until Peterson meets their demands.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS. Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener. Hmmm, do I smell tampering? The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?Signed,Every Jet Fan

 

[Patoons]

word is that the JEts are only getting mid rd picks - read something on the JEt message board about a 4th and a 5th rd pick for him

Also rumored is Herm to take Donnie Henderson with him. Bradaway stays with Dinger named as the HC by Fri.

IMO - if true

Should have gotten at least a 3rd for Herm -

Can live with Dinger as HC - like what I have heard from him.

Herm isn't worth any picks at all, so getting a 4th and 5th rounder would be awesome for the Jets. But I also thought the Pats were extremley stupid for giving up picks to the Jets to get Bill Belichick and look how that turned out. Obviously Kraft made a great move. You just never know.

I'm unsure why so many people feel this way. Too many people have a short memory. He brought the Jets to the playoffs for 3 seasons. Not too many Jet coaches have been able to do that. He may be a poor game manager, but he still has gotten it done.For one, I hope he stays unless we get a 1st rounder- and that's not happening. To me, that is what Herm's worth. Vermeil was not even IN football when the Rams received a 2nd and 3rd pick. I think the Jets are getting shafted.

 

[Kiddnets]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS. Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.

Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener. Hmmm, do I smell tampering? The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?

Signed,

Every Jet Fan

 

[Yenrub]

This Herm bashing is ridiculous. Is he a GREAT coach? NO! Is he an above average coach? HELL YEAH! Hes certainly better than all of the other coaching candidates floating around.

Based on what? I can't remember a single game where he really out-coached or out-manuevered the competitions coach. In the NFL, with parity and talent so close these days, its game-planning and game-day decisions that win games. Herm does not win those games.

I loved Herm when he first joined the JETS. We all did. But the slow starts and terribly conservative (you play to win by game-ending FG) play calling wore thin after a few years. And remember, he inherited a VERY good team.

1999 - 8-8 NO PLAYOFFS (Parcells)

2000 - 9-7 NO PLAYOFFS (Groh)

2001 - 10-6 PLAYOFFS (Edward)

I wouldn't call a team that didn't make the Playoffs for two years in a row VERY good. But maybe that's just me.

 

[Yenrub]

This Herm bashing is ridiculous. Is he a GREAT coach? NO! Is he an above average coach? HELL YEAH! Hes certainly better than all of the other coaching candidates floating around.

I can't really call him a COACH.He's a motivator... He NEEDS a great OC and DC to run the show and he needs someone else to evaluate talent.

His strength was supposed to be as a secondary coach, meanwhile the Jets have been signing FA Cbs and drafting safeties every year and it's a mediocre at best group with NO signs of coaching UP like a Belichik clearly shows.

If the guy can't put together and run a secondary then what the hell can he do?

His best trait was supposed to be honesty and Integrity and apparently he lied to us the past 6 months so, I'm not sure what his strengths are anymore.

GOOD LUCK.

Most coaches need top assistants - that's why the great coaches spawened coaching trees from their top assistants. Herm was no different in this than any other coach. Edwards' greatest weakness was in-game clock management, but that's a relatviely small area of expertise.As for his coaching ability, Edwards took the Jets to playoffs three times in five years. All of those times, his teams were never projected to be playoff teams in the preseason. His defense has finished in the top-10 the past two years. As for his abilities in coaching the secondary, he's been able to have a top-10 defense with 5th-rounders Erik Coleman and Kherry Rhodes as the starting safeties, and with cornerbacks like David Barrett, Donnie Abraham, and an oft-flagged Ty Law.

It's extremely difficult to evaluate a coach, but Edwards has been, by the numbers, the most succesful coach in NYJ history. He has gotten little help from top draft picks or FAs (b/c Bradway blows). Think about it: since Edwards got to NY, no Jets draft pick or FA Bradway selected has made the pro bowl, with the exception of Ty Law this year. From Damien Robinson to Justin McCareins to Dewayne Robertson to David Barett to Doug Jolley, none of the big trades or signings have brought in a special player. The best FA moves the Jets have made in recent years were Pete Kendall, Eric Barton, who was injured all year this year, and Aussie punter Ben Graham. That's not a lot of talent to work with. Edwards has done a very good job of playing with the guys he has, and with keeping the organization from imploding or getting caught up in off-the-field distractions and stupidity. He's well-liked by his players, and by the media, and he's highly respected in league circles. Certainly he offers more credibility to a franchise than any other prospect who is actually available.

I will add that the two seasons Herm didn't get the Jets to the playoffs their #1 QB was hurt/out for a significant amount of time.

In the TEN seasons before Herm took over as coach, the Jets had been to the TWO times

This includes 3 seasons with Parcells as coach who only took the Jets to the playoffs once.

In FIVE seasons with Herm the Jets have been to the playoffs THREE times.

I don’t understand the hate for Herm.

 

[Patoons]

In the TEN seasons before Herm took over as coach, the Jets had been to the TWO times

This includes 3 seasons with Parcells as coach who only took the Jets to the playoffs once.

In FIVE seasons with Herm the Jets have been to the playoffs THREE times.

I don’t understand the hate for Herm.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something. Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark. Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS. Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.

Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener. Hmmm, do I smell tampering? The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?

Signed,

Every Jet Fan

Could not agree more. I hope they don't take this to arbitration or Tags, because if they don't get at least a second rounder out of this, they've lost out big time. I have a hard time reconciling that Herm is worth a first rounder, but I think he might be worth one first rounder and that's it, considering the market. If Vermeil and Schottenheimer, out of football, got 1st rounders plus, I think he's worth it singularly since he might well be a top 10 current NFL HC. I know he's not the greatest game coach, but he consistently seems to get more wins out of squads than his talent would indicate, and if Doug Brien drills a FG or two last year, there's no doubt he's worth a first rounder for getting the Jets to Foxboro. He's THEIR property, make KC pay. Hell, if it's a 4th and 5th, at least throw Dante Hall in the deal.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Herm was scheduled to be on WFAN at 2p est. If it happened, I missed it. Did anybody hear that interview?

Coach cleans out Jets office; KC closes in on Vermeil replacement ELIZABETH MERRILLThe Kansas City Star

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — After two months of speculation and a wild Thursday in New York, the Chiefs are on the verge of getting their man.

Herman Edwards cleaned out his office Thursday and was waiting to speak to Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson later in the night, a source close to the situation said. Edwards’ five-year run with the New York Jets is over, one day after the Chiefs were negotiating to bring him to Kansas City, nearly one week after coach **** Vermeil announced his retirement.

The Jets canceled Edwards’ season-ending news conference Thursday, and TV trucks were camped outside the team training complex at Hofstra University. Edwards was nowhere to be found.

On Thursday afternoon, Peterson was in Indianapolis interviewing Colts defensive coordinator Ron Meeks. Peterson, known as one of the toughest negotiators in the NFL, may have been creating leverage for his discussions with the Jets. In a span of about 24 hours, negotiations heated up, apparently cooled down, then resumed late Thursday.

Edwards was the buzz of New York radio on Thursday as Jets fans speculated over how the Chiefs could steal away him for middle-round draft picks.

KC Star link

 

[Patoons]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something. Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark. Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

How many coaches have taken their team to the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years?

 

[Futeki]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS.   Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.

Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener.   Hmmm, do I smell tampering?  The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?

Signed,

Every Jet Fan

Good posting??? That is some of the worst posting ever!!! Do your background before you post inflammatory nonsense. I already posted in this thread just how far back Peterson and Edwards go, yet you must have missed it. 28+ years

They had dinner because they go waaaay back.

How about you read a bio about Herm Edwards at the Jets site. You might learn something. You'll see how he got his start in the NFL when Carl Peterson gave him a chance with the Eagles and how Herm's first coaching job was with the KC Chiefs (just after Carl Peterson became team president of the Chiefs!).

http://www.newyorkjets.com/coaches/index.php?coaches_id=3

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS.   Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.

Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener.   Hmmm, do I smell tampering?  The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?

Signed,

Every Jet Fan

Good posting??? That is some of the worst posting ever!!! Do your background before you post inflammatory nonsense. I already posted in this thread just how far back Peterson and Edwards go, yet you must have missed it. 28+ years

They had dinner because they go waaaay back.

How about you read a bio about Herm Edwards at the Jets site. You might learn something. You'll see how he got his start in the NFL when Carl Peterson gave him a chance with the Eagles and how Herm's first coaching job was with the KC Chiefs (just after Carl Peterson became team president of the Chiefs!).

http://www.newyorkjets.com/coaches/index.php?coaches_id=3

Now THIS is a good posting. So, you can't have dinner with an old friend when you're in town???? Vermeil/Peterson/Bradway/Edwards all go way back.:Herm fan:

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something. Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark. Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

How many coaches have taken their team to the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years?

Andy ReidMike Sherman

Mike Holmgren

Mike Martz

Bill Belichick

Herman Edwards

Bill Cowher

Tony Dungy

Mike Shanahan

Other coaches:

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

Jon Gruden

John Fox

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

**** Vermeil

Marty Schottenheimer

Along with Sherman, I would say Edwards is the worst coach on the first list and is not as good as any of the coaches on the second list. So, that would put him at 16 at best among guys who were NFL coaches this past season and that is not even including guys like Lovie Smith (needs more than one good season before I can put him up that high), Jim Mora, Jr. and Tom Coughlin, all of whom could be considered as good or better, too. Edwards an average NFL head coach? I would say so.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

LOL @ CLark Judge of CBS Sportsline......

Here is Wednesday's column

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/9144117



Let me make this quick: Kansas City president Carl Peterson is not in New York. He's not negotiating to make a deal for Jets coach Herman Edwards. And he hasn't asked for permission to speak to Edwards.

In fact, Edwards isn't on the Chiefs' radar. Not yet.

Here is todays article on Edwards to KC

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/9148436

Now the Kansas City Chiefs are in the Herman Edwards picture, front and center. And they're not only in it, they're expected to hire the New York Jets head coach.

Sources close to the Chiefs indicated the club would seek permission Friday to speak to Edwards, who has two years left on his contract. Chiefs president Carl Peterson made the decision late Thursday evening, sources said, with the intention of hiring Edwards to replace **** Vermeil.

CLark Judge sounds like he has been fleeced by only going to CHiefs people on this story....Carl & CO. have him flip-flopping like a politician.

 

[Yenrub]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something. Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark. Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

2005?! You want to throw Herm under the bus for 2005? A season where the Jets lost their top two QB’s in the same game. A season where at some point they had to put their best offensive lineman on IR! No one is saying that Herm is the 2nd coming of Vince Lombardi but many Jets fans are trashing Herm like he was Rich Kotite.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

So, do we Jets fans hold the record of having the most coaches leave us voluntarily and consecutively? Parcells, Belichik, Groh, Edwards...

 

[Kiddnets]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS.   Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.

Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener.   Hmmm, do I smell tampering?  The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?

Signed,

Every Jet Fan

Good posting??? That is some of the worst posting ever!!! Do your background before you post inflammatory nonsense. I already posted in this thread just how far back Peterson and Edwards go, yet you must have missed it. 28+ years

They had dinner because they go waaaay back.

How about you read a bio about Herm Edwards at the Jets site. You might learn something. You'll see how he got his start in the NFL when Carl Peterson gave him a chance with the Eagles and how Herm's first coaching job was with the KC Chiefs (just after Carl Peterson became team president of the Chiefs!).

http://www.newyorkjets.com/coaches/index.php?coaches_id=3

Now THIS is a good posting. So, you can't have dinner with an old friend when you're in town???? Vermeil/Peterson/Bradway/Edwards all go way back.:Herm fan:

I know all about Herm's KC connection and if you think this wasn't chorepgraphed or mentioned back then - you are in complete denial.Herm is not the saint he makes himself out to be - its about power and money just like anyone else.

Make KC pay or make him sit!

 

[-OZ-]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS. Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.

Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener. Hmmm, do I smell tampering? The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?

Signed,

Every Jet Fan

Good posting??? That is some of the worst posting ever!!! Do your background before you post inflammatory nonsense. I already posted in this thread just how far back Peterson and Edwards go, yet you must have missed it. 28+ years

They had dinner because they go waaaay back.

How about you read a bio about Herm Edwards at the Jets site. You might learn something. You'll see how he got his start in the NFL when Carl Peterson gave him a chance with the Eagles and how Herm's first coaching job was with the KC Chiefs (just after Carl Peterson became team president of the Chiefs!).

http://www.newyorkjets.com/coaches/index.php?coaches_id=3

Now THIS is a good posting. So, you can't have dinner with an old friend when you're in town???? Vermeil/Peterson/Bradway/Edwards all go way back.:Herm fan:

I know all about Herm's KC connection and if you think this wasn't chorepgraphed or mentioned back then - you are in complete denial.Herm is not the saint he makes himself out to be - its about power and money just like anyone else.

Make KC pay or make him sit!

Ah, I get it. In week 1, Peterson told Herm to tank the season and he'd hire him, because Vermiel was retiring. If you simply mean a comment "hey, wouldn't it be cool to work together again...", then maybe, but I still don't think Carl would tamper with a friend's job or organization.

I don't like the idea of Herm in KC, but people are stretching the conspiracy theory a bit around here.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something. Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark. Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

2005?! You want to throw Herm under the bus for 2005? A season where the Jets lost their top two QB’s in the same game. A season where at some point they had to put their best offensive lineman on IR! No one is saying that Herm is the 2nd coming of Vince Lombardi but many Jets fans are trashing Herm like he was Rich Kotite.

Um, what is up with everyone using the term "throwing so-and-so under the bus" now?I have said for years that I didn't think Edwards wasn't that great of a coach. The 2005 season did nothing to change my mind either way.

As for Jets fans trashing Edwards right now, I am not one of them, but I am guessing it is the natural frustration that comes from seeing your team go 4-12.

 

[Kiddnets]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS.  Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.

Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener.  Hmmm, do I smell tampering?  The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?

Signed,

Every Jet Fan

Good posting??? That is some of the worst posting ever!!! Do your background before you post inflammatory nonsense. I already posted in this thread just how far back Peterson and Edwards go, yet you must have missed it. 28+ years

They had dinner because they go waaaay back.

How about you read a bio about Herm Edwards at the Jets site. You might learn something. You'll see how he got his start in the NFL when Carl Peterson gave him a chance with the Eagles and how Herm's first coaching job was with the KC Chiefs (just after Carl Peterson became team president of the Chiefs!).

http://www.newyorkjets.com/coaches/index.php?coaches_id=3

Now THIS is a good posting. So, you can't have dinner with an old friend when you're in town???? Vermeil/Peterson/Bradway/Edwards all go way back.:Herm fan:

I know all about Herm's KC connection and if you think this wasn't chorepgraphed or mentioned back then - you are in complete denial.Herm is not the saint he makes himself out to be - its about power and money just like anyone else.

Make KC pay or make him sit!

Ah, I get it. In week 1, Peterson told Herm to tank the season and he'd hire him, because Vermiel was retiring. If you simply mean a comment "hey, wouldn't it be cool to work together again...", then maybe, but I still don't think Carl would tamper with a friend's job or organization.

I don't like the idea of Herm in KC, but people are stretching the conspiracy theory a bit around here.

I don't think its a stretch that when they met the following was discussed:1. **** Vermeil was to retire at the end of the year

2. KC was interested in Herm being its new coach

3. The fact that Herm is one of the lowest paid coaches in the league and "under appreciated in NY"

In light of what has gone on I think the initial meeting looks very inappropriate and could constitute tampering.

Bad season had nothing to do with it - KC would have come after Herm even if the JEts made the playoffs - the tag just would have gone up a bit.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something.  Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark.  Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

2005?! You want to throw Herm under the bus for 2005? A season where the Jets lost their top two QB’s in the same game. A season where at some point they had to put their best offensive lineman on IR! No one is saying that Herm is the 2nd coming of Vince Lombardi but many Jets fans are trashing Herm like he was Rich Kotite.

Um, what is up with everyone using the term "throwing so-and-so under the bus" now?I have said for years that I didn't think Edwards wasn't that great of a coach. The 2005 season did nothing to change my mind either way.

As for Jets fans trashing Edwards right now, I am not one of them, but I am guessing it is the natural frustration that comes from seeing your team go 4-12.

I agree with Ghost Rider 100% on this - Edwards is an average coach. I don't get the Jets fans calling "good riddance" nor those who seem to think he's the best thing that's happened to them in ages. As a Steeler fan, I loved it, but I thought his decision not to attempt to get the ball closer to the end zone for Doug Brien cost the Jets a trip to the AFC Championship game. He had some really tough breaks this year too, but the Jets were just awful. I just believe, having watched the Steelers for so long, that Cowher still would have found a way to squeeze 6-7 wins out of this year's Jets team, injuries and all.Hey, Ghost Rider, there's a first time for everything.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

LOL @ CLark Judge of CBS Sportsline......

Here is Wednesday's column

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/9144117



Let me make this quick: Kansas City president Carl Peterson is not in New York. He's not negotiating to make a deal for Jets coach Herman Edwards. And he hasn't asked for permission to speak to Edwards.

In fact, Edwards isn't on the Chiefs' radar. Not yet.

Here is todays article on Edwards to KC

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/9148436

Now the Kansas City Chiefs are in the Herman Edwards picture, front and center. And they're not only in it, they're expected to hire the New York Jets head coach.

Sources close to the Chiefs indicated the club would seek permission Friday to speak to Edwards, who has two years left on his contract. Chiefs president Carl Peterson made the decision late Thursday evening, sources said, with the intention of hiring Edwards to replace **** Vermeil.

CLark Judge sounds like he has been fleeced by only going to CHiefs people on this story....Carl & CO. have him flip-flopping like a politician.

Still not the worst media flub of the week, I seem to remember going to bed with 12 miners found alive.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

LOL @ CLark Judge of CBS Sportsline......

Here is Wednesday's column

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/9144117



Let me make this quick: Kansas City president Carl Peterson is not in New York. He's not negotiating to make a deal for Jets coach Herman Edwards. And he hasn't asked for permission to speak to Edwards.

In fact, Edwards isn't on the Chiefs' radar. Not yet.

Here is todays article on Edwards to KC

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/9148436

Now the Kansas City Chiefs are in the Herman Edwards picture, front and center. And they're not only in it, they're expected to hire the New York Jets head coach.

Sources close to the Chiefs indicated the club would seek permission Friday to speak to Edwards, who has two years left on his contract. Chiefs president Carl Peterson made the decision late Thursday evening, sources said, with the intention of hiring Edwards to replace **** Vermeil.

CLark Judge sounds like he has been fleeced by only going to CHiefs people on this story....Carl & CO. have him flip-flopping like a politician.

Still not the worst media flub of the week, I seem to remember going to bed with 12 miners found alive.

Very true

 

[Kiddnets]

Looks like its over -

Kc gets Herm and JEts get a 4th rd pick.

Happy to get something for the Rev but Bradaway got spanked in this negotiation. Hope Woody cleans total house.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9148436

 

[Beaumont]

Looks like its over -

Kc gets Herm and JEts get a 4th rd pick.

Happy to get something for the Rev but Bradaway got spanked in this negotiation. Hope Woody cleans total house.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9148436

I can stomach the 4th as a Chiefs fan ...

 

[Ghost Rider]

I agree with Ghost Rider 100% on this - Edwards is an average coach. I don't get the Jets fans calling "good riddance" nor those who seem to think he's the best thing that's happened to them in ages. As a Steeler fan, I loved it, but I thought his decision not to attempt to get the ball closer to the end zone for Doug Brien cost the Jets a trip to the AFC Championship game. He had some really tough breaks this year too, but the Jets were just awful. I just believe, having watched the Steelers for so long, that Cowher still would have found a way to squeeze 6-7 wins out of this year's Jets team, injuries and all.

Hey, Ghost Rider, there's a first time for everything.

Indeed. I agree with you that Cowher would have gotten more out of that team than Edwards did. Yeah, their top two QB's were hurt, but Cowher is used to having crappy quarterbacks anyway, right?

 

[glock]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something.  Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark.  Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

How many coaches have taken their team to the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years?

Andy ReidMike Sherman

Mike Holmgren

Mike Martz

Bill Belichick

Herman Edwards

Bill Cowher

Tony Dungy

Mike Shanahan

Other coaches:

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

Jon Gruden

John Fox

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

**** Vermeil

Marty Schottenheimer

Along with Sherman, I would say Edwards is the worst coach on the first list and is not as good as any of the coaches on the second list. So, that would put him at 16 at best among guys who were NFL coaches this past season and that is not even including guys like Lovie Smith (needs more than one good season before I can put him up that high), Jim Mora, Jr. and Tom Coughlin, all of whom could be considered as good or better, too. Edwards an average NFL head coach? I would say so.

I'll let you cross off all those on that list who aren't in their first 5 years as a head coach... edited for clarrity...

 

[Kiddnets]

Looks like its over -

Kc gets Herm and JEts get a 4th rd pick.

Happy to get something for the Rev but Bradaway got spanked in this negotiation.  Hope Woody cleans total house. 

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9148436

I can stomach the 4th as a Chiefs fan ...

Herm stinks and all but a 4th rd pick for any coach under contract is a steal!

Tice could have been had for a 5th!!!!

 

[The Jerminator]

Why the hell would anyone want to give up anything for Herm Edwards?

The Jets are making off like bandits here.

Herm Edwards = Overrated JERKKC fans will go from watching press conferences featuring Vermeil crying about how much he loves his players to Edwards #####ing about the refs and blaming the media for his pathetic coaching ability.

 

[glock]

Why the hell would anyone want to give up anything for Herm Edwards?

The Jets are making off like bandits here.

Herm Edwards = Overrated JERKKC fans will go from watching press conferences featuring Vermeil crying about how much he loves his players to Edwards #####ing about the refs and blaming the media for his pathetic coaching ability.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I agree with Ghost Rider 100% on this - Edwards is an average coach.  I don't get the Jets fans calling "good riddance" nor those who seem to think he's the best thing that's happened to them in ages.  As a Steeler fan, I loved it, but I thought his decision not to attempt to get the ball closer to the end zone for Doug Brien cost the Jets a trip to the AFC Championship game.  He had some really tough breaks this year too, but the Jets were just awful.  I just believe, having watched the Steelers for so long, that Cowher still would have found a way to squeeze 6-7 wins out of this year's Jets team, injuries and all.

Hey, Ghost Rider, there's a first time for everything. 

Indeed. I agree with you that Cowher would have gotten more out of that team than Edwards did. Yeah, their top two QB's were hurt, but Cowher is used to having crappy quarterbacks anyway, right?

Up until last year, hell yes. Bubby Brister, Neil O' Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Jim Miller, Kordell Stewart, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox. Those are the starting QBs Cowher has had to work with up until Roethlisberger took over. Even with that mess, he still has 11 winning seasons, 10 playoff berths, and 8 division titles in 14 years and has never had fewer than 6 wins. He's had 2 6-win seasons and 1 seven win season, has never finished 8-8, and has won 10 or more games 9 times.

 

[NYRAGE]

I'm dropping LJ in my rankings.KC fans: get used to punting from your opponent's 30-yardline on 4th and 1.You may want to hold up some banners with the #11 - there is a moment in every game when Herm only has 10 or even sometimes 12 players on the field.If you're trailing late in the first half, don't worry about trying to get some points. All systems are go if you are within 14 points at halftime. Don't even worry about using your timeouts to save time. Half-time adjustments? Not necessary. If you're within 14 points, then you have them where you want them.Herm's philosophy: You tell people you play to win the game, but in reality, you play to keep the game close and you try to pull it out in the 4th quarter.Close plays, should you challenge? Watch Herm look dumbfounded and paralyzed by indecision.After you lose, get used to sermons about "we just didn't make plays". When followed up with why things went wrong, Herm's analysis is usually, "I don't know, but we'll take a look at it and fix it".Nice guy, bad coach. No one says more and does less.

 

[Marc Levin]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something.  Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark.  Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

How many coaches have taken their team to the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years?

Andy ReidMike Sherman

Mike Holmgren

Mike Martz

Bill Belichick

Herman Edwards

Bill Cowher

Tony Dungy

Mike Shanahan

Other coaches:

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

Jon Gruden

John Fox

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

**** Vermeil

Marty Schottenheimer

Along with Sherman, I would say Edwards is the worst coach on the first list and is not as good as any of the coaches on the second list. So, that would put him at 16 at best among guys who were NFL coaches this past season and that is not even including guys like Lovie Smith (needs more than one good season before I can put him up that high), Jim Mora, Jr. and Tom Coughlin, all of whom could be considered as good or better, too. Edwards an average NFL head coach? I would say so.

seriously?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something. Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark. Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

How many coaches have taken their team to the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years?

Andy ReidMike Sherman

Mike Holmgren

Mike Martz

Bill Belichick

Herman Edwards

Bill Cowher

Tony Dungy

Mike Shanahan

Other coaches:

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

Jon Gruden

John Fox

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

**** Vermeil

Marty Schottenheimer

Along with Sherman, I would say Edwards is the worst coach on the first list and is not as good as any of the coaches on the second list. So, that would put him at 16 at best among guys who were NFL coaches this past season and that is not even including guys like Lovie Smith (needs more than one good season before I can put him up that high), Jim Mora, Jr. and Tom Coughlin, all of whom could be considered as good or better, too. Edwards an average NFL head coach? I would say so.

seriously?

Sherman and Martz have more playoff appearances than Edwards, so if some can play the playoff card (bout Edwards making it three times in five seasons), then so can I, right? Okay, here is a serious question...where would you rank Edwards in comparison to NFL head coaches from the 2005 season?

I would say the following are without a doubt better:

Belichick

Shanahan

Cowher

Reid

Fisher

Gibbs

Gruden

Holmgren

Lewis

Dungy

Parcells

Schottenheimer

Vermeil

Would you agree? That makes at least 13 that are better. Given that there are 32 teams, I would say coaches ranking in the 14-18 range are average. Edwards falls in this category AT BEST.

 

[glock]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something.  Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark.  Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

How many coaches have taken their team to the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years?

Andy ReidMike Sherman

Mike Holmgren

Mike Martz

Bill Belichick

Herman Edwards

Bill Cowher

Tony Dungy

Mike Shanahan

Other coaches:

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

Jon Gruden

John Fox

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

**** Vermeil

Marty Schottenheimer

Along with Sherman, I would say Edwards is the worst coach on the first list and is not as good as any of the coaches on the second list. So, that would put him at 16 at best among guys who were NFL coaches this past season and that is not even including guys like Lovie Smith (needs more than one good season before I can put him up that high), Jim Mora, Jr. and Tom Coughlin, all of whom could be considered as good or better, too. Edwards an average NFL head coach? I would say so.

seriously?

Sherman and Martz have more playoff appearances than Edwards, so if some can play the playoff card (bout Edwards making it three times in five seasons), then so can I, right? Okay, here is a serious question...where would you rank Edwards in comparison to NFL head coaches from the 2005 season?

I would say the following are without a doubt better:

Belichick

Shanahan

Cowher

Reid

Fisher

Gibbs

Gruden

Holmgren

Lewis

Dungy

Parcells

Schottenheimer

Vermeil

Would you agree? That makes at least 13 that are better. Given that there are 32 teams, I would say coaches ranking in the 14-18 range are average. Edwards falls in this category AT BEST.

OK- now narrow that list down to all head coaches with 5 years or less as HC who lost both their #1 AND #2 QB's in week three...

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something. Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark. Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

How many coaches have taken their team to the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years?

Andy ReidMike Sherman

Mike Holmgren

Mike Martz

Bill Belichick

Herman Edwards

Bill Cowher

Tony Dungy

Mike Shanahan

Other coaches:

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

Jon Gruden

John Fox

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

**** Vermeil

Marty Schottenheimer

Along with Sherman, I would say Edwards is the worst coach on the first list and is not as good as any of the coaches on the second list. So, that would put him at 16 at best among guys who were NFL coaches this past season and that is not even including guys like Lovie Smith (needs more than one good season before I can put him up that high), Jim Mora, Jr. and Tom Coughlin, all of whom could be considered as good or better, too. Edwards an average NFL head coach? I would say so.

seriously?

Sherman and Martz have more playoff appearances than Edwards, so if some can play the playoff card (bout Edwards making it three times in five seasons), then so can I, right? Okay, here is a serious question...where would you rank Edwards in comparison to NFL head coaches from the 2005 season?

I would say the following are without a doubt better:

Belichick

Shanahan

Cowher

Reid

Fisher

Gibbs

Gruden

Holmgren

Lewis

Dungy

Parcells

Schottenheimer

Vermeil

Would you agree? That makes at least 13 that are better. Given that there are 32 teams, I would say coaches ranking in the 14-18 range are average. Edwards falls in this category AT BEST.

OK- now narrow that list down to all head coaches with 5 years or less as HC who lost both their #1 AND #2 QB's in week three...

Give me a break. I am not basing my decision off of the 2005 season. How many times do I have to say it? Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. I recommend you learn it.

 

[Marc Levin]

You really believe that Martz and Sherman should be given credit for the playoff/SB appearances they had after inheriting Super Bowl teams??I don't.I'd say taking a perennial playoff missing team with little talent into the playoffs three of your first five years as HC is significantly more impressive - and indicates a significantly better coach.

 

[glock]

Just because the Jets have a history of sucky coaches doesn't mean one that is halfway decent is great or something.  Edwards is an average NFL head coach, meaning if I had to rank the NFL coaches (from the 2005 season), he would probably be around the 15-20 mark.  Yes, Edwards has had a little more success than Jets coaches of the past, but, when it all comes down to it, he is still nothing special.

How many coaches have taken their team to the playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years?

Andy ReidMike Sherman

Mike Holmgren

Mike Martz

Bill Belichick

Herman Edwards

Bill Cowher

Tony Dungy

Mike Shanahan

Other coaches:

Bill Parcells

Joe Gibbs

Jon Gruden

John Fox

Marvin Lewis

Jeff Fisher

**** Vermeil

Marty Schottenheimer

Along with Sherman, I would say Edwards is the worst coach on the first list and is not as good as any of the coaches on the second list. So, that would put him at 16 at best among guys who were NFL coaches this past season and that is not even including guys like Lovie Smith (needs more than one good season before I can put him up that high), Jim Mora, Jr. and Tom Coughlin, all of whom could be considered as good or better, too. Edwards an average NFL head coach? I would say so.

seriously?

Sherman and Martz have more playoff appearances than Edwards, so if some can play the playoff card (bout Edwards making it three times in five seasons), then so can I, right? Okay, here is a serious question...where would you rank Edwards in comparison to NFL head coaches from the 2005 season?

I would say the following are without a doubt better:

Belichick

Shanahan

Cowher

Reid

Fisher

Gibbs

Gruden

Holmgren

Lewis

Dungy

Parcells

Schottenheimer

Vermeil

Would you agree? That makes at least 13 that are better. Given that there are 32 teams, I would say coaches ranking in the 14-18 range are average. Edwards falls in this category AT BEST.

OK- now narrow that list down to all head coaches with 5 years or less as HC who lost both their #1 AND #2 QB's in week three...

Give me a break. I am not basing my decision off of the 2005 season. How many times do I have to say it? Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. I recommend you learn it.

Gee...Where would I get the impression that you were considering the 2005 season?I also asked that you pare down your list to all coaches with the limited HC tenure of Edwards- 5 years. Rediculous to compare him to sage HC vets the likes of Gibbs, Parcells, Schottenheimer, and Vermeil.

Kinda narrows down the field I would say.

 

[Ghost Rider]

You really believe that Martz and Sherman should be given credit for the playoff/SB appearances they had after inheriting Super Bowl teams??

I don't.

I'd say taking a perennial playoff missing team with little talent into the playoffs three of your first five years as HC is significantly more impressive - and indicates a significantly better coach.

Sherman did not inherit a Super Bowl team. It had been what, four years, since GB had won the Super Bowl when Sherman took over as head coach. As for Martz, I personally do not think he is a very good head coach. I put him on the same level as Edwards.

How can you say the Jets had little talent? Curtis Martin, Kevin Mawae (sp?), tons of good defensive players, etc.

And you never answered my question on where you think Edwards ranks in comparison to every other 2005 head coach.

 

[glock]

You really believe that Martz and Sherman should be given credit for the playoff/SB appearances they had after inheriting Super Bowl teams??

I don't.

I'd say taking a perennial playoff missing team with little talent into the playoffs three of your first five years as HC is significantly more impressive - and indicates a significantly better coach.

Thaaank youuu!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Gee...Where would I get the impression that you were considering the 2005 season?

I have no idea. After all, I have said several times that my opinion on Edwards is based on his entire tenure in New York.

I also asked that you pare down your list to all coaches with the limited HC tenure of Edwards- 5 years. Rediculous to compare him to sage HC vets the likes of Gibbs, Parcells, Schottenheimer, and Vermeil.

Kinda narrows down the field I would say.

If you want to play that game, I will take the following over Edwards:Lovie Smith

Marvin Lewis

John Fox

Jim Mora, Jr.

Jack Del Rio (laugh at this one, but they are the most disrespected 12-4 team ever)

It is still too early to say either way on Saban, Cranell and a few others.

There are not that many other 2005 NFL head coaches with five years or less experience. If it makes you feel any better, I would take Edwards over Mike Tice.

 

[Reaper]

It is still too early to say either way on Saban, Cranell and a few others.

Are you kidding me - Saban is a HEAD COACH - He Game plans and has A SYSTEM where he can analyze talent and work it to fit into His system...Herm is........ a Motivator?

He's got no system.. He can't evaluate talent. He can't game plan and he doesn't make adjustments...

Hey, I kinda limit my Head Coach candidates to actual COACHES.

GOOD LUCK KC - Thanks for the 4th rounder.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It is still too early to say either way on Saban, Cranell and a few others.

Are you kidding me - Saban is a HEAD COACH - He Game plans and has A SYSTEM where he can analyze talent and work it to fit into His system...

I just meant one year is too soon to make a definitive judgement on how good of an NFL head coach Saban is. I suspect that within a few years he will be way up there.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I'd take Saban over Edwards any day of the week. I think the Jets could have done much better than a 4th. They had all the leverage and KC realy wanted Edwards.The Jet fans seem very happy to be rid of Edwards. But what if the coach they bring in is worse? Say like Mike Tice worse?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I'd hang Herm out to dry if I were the JETS.   Make things so damn ugly for him that he's forced to resign in which case the JETS would still have his rights for 2 years and he couldn't go to work for the Chiefs without compensation.

Herm had dinner in KC earlier this year with Peterson, I think the Friday before the JET/KC opener.   Hmmm, do I smell tampering?  The JETS, healthy at that time, came out real strong in that game. I wonder why?

Signed,

Every Jet Fan

Good posting??? That is some of the worst posting ever!!! Do your background before you post inflammatory nonsense. I already posted in this thread just how far back Peterson and Edwards go, yet you must have missed it. 28+ years

They had dinner because they go waaaay back.

How about you read a bio about Herm Edwards at the Jets site. You might learn something. You'll see how he got his start in the NFL when Carl Peterson gave him a chance with the Eagles and how Herm's first coaching job was with the KC Chiefs (just after Carl Peterson became team president of the Chiefs!).

http://www.newyorkjets.com/coaches/index.php?coaches_id=3

Now THIS is a good posting. So, you can't have dinner with an old friend when you're in town???? Vermeil/Peterson/Bradway/Edwards all go way back.:Herm fan:

I know all about Herm's KC connection and if you think this wasn't chorepgraphed or mentioned back then - you are in complete denial.Herm is not the saint he makes himself out to be - its about power and money just like anyone else.

Make KC pay or make him sit!

Ah, I get it. In week 1, Peterson told Herm to tank the season and he'd hire him, because Vermiel was retiring. If you simply mean a comment "hey, wouldn't it be cool to work together again...", then maybe, but I still don't think Carl would tamper with a friend's job or organization.

I don't like the idea of Herm in KC, but people are stretching the conspiracy theory a bit around here.

I don't think its a stretch that when they met the following was discussed:1. **** Vermeil was to retire at the end of the year

2. KC was interested in Herm being its new coach

3. The fact that Herm is one of the lowest paid coaches in the league and "under appreciated in NY"

In light of what has gone on I think the initial meeting looks very inappropriate and could constitute tampering.

Bad season had nothing to do with it - KC would have come after Herm even if the JEts made the playoffs - the tag just would have gone up a bit.

100% Agree. Thanks for the links earlier in this nested thread, but I'm well aware of Herb's ties to the KC hierarchy. This was definately contemplated during the NFL season (or earlier) by both sides. It was a horribly kept secret. Herm even slipped during the course of the year and made a "slopply" comment to the press at mid-season that implied that he wouldn't be back to coach the JETS in 2006. In fact, he had to issue a public "retraction" the following day such that he could focus on coaching the JETS.