Report: Omicron is much more contagious - Discussion on severity (2 Viewers)

[The Commish]

Wait.....did I just open a cached copy of FBG from early 2021??

 

[(HULK)]

Frankly ... I think way too much has been made of the myocarditis risks. "Myocarditis" is not popularly understood and sounds scary -- in fact, it's something patients usually never even notice. Yes, yes ... it's easy to find cases of myocarditis that lead to infirmity and (maybe?) death. Doesn't mean that's what's coming for men under 40 who get a vaccine.

And at this point? Worried about myocarditis from an mRNA vaccine? Run, don't walk, to get your Novavax series.

Or recognize natural immunity that seems to be holding up very well in the young and healthy.

Ummm. The risk of myocarditis from getting that Covid to develop "natural immunity" is HIGHER than getting the vaccines though.

Some people couldn't help getting it naturally. Why force them to increase their risk for no benefit?

If we're talking someone who already had it, sure. I'm thinking on those who never had it and aren't vaccinated. In terms of myocaritis risk, getting vaxxed is safer. And obviously, there are additional factors of health risk here too.

 

[Max Power]

Frankly ... I think way too much has been made of the myocarditis risks. "Myocarditis" is not popularly understood and sounds scary -- in fact, it's something patients usually never even notice. Yes, yes ... it's easy to find cases of myocarditis that lead to infirmity and (maybe?) death. Doesn't mean that's what's coming for men under 40 who get a vaccine.

And at this point? Worried about myocarditis from an mRNA vaccine? Run, don't walk, to get your Novavax series.

Or recognize natural immunity that seems to be holding up very well in the young and healthy.

Ummm. The risk of myocarditis from getting that Covid to develop "natural immunity" is HIGHER than getting the vaccines though.

Some people couldn't help getting it naturally. Why force them to increase their risk for no benefit?

If we're talking someone who already had it, sure. I'm thinking on those who never had it and aren't vaccinated. In terms of myocaritis risk, getting vaxxed is safer. And obviously, there are additional factors of health risk here too.

That was always the case against getting vaccinated post covid. We all have different health risks and mandating a one size fits all approach was short sighted.

People who want the booster, get the booster. I'm just going to continue to hate on mandates and forcing this stuff on people.

Also I just heard on my way home the BA1 booster trial was only conducted on 600 humans 50+ years old, so again I just see this as cutting corners as we've seen different ages/sex profiles have different safety concerns. Yet we're back pushing the BA 4/5 out to 12+ as totally safe and needed.

 

[Max Power]

Thankfully this FDA tweet finally got me to understand the benefit of the booster and why we need to take it forever...

https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1568264993921015809

 

[(HULK)]

Thankfully this FDA tweet finally got me to understand the benefit of the booster and why we need to take it forever...

https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1568264993921015809

It's like they're unfamiliar with the 5G zombie stuff, or maybe just intentionally trolling the Qdiots.

 

[Max Power]

Thankfully this FDA tweet finally got me to understand the benefit of the booster and why we need to take it forever...

https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1568264993921015809

It's like they're unfamiliar with the 5G zombie stuff, or maybe just intentionally trolling the Qdiots.

I didnt even the consider the 5G angle of that. Going to have to look into it now....

 

[AAABatteries]

Wait.....did I just open a cached copy of FBG from early 2021??

This is why the ignore function works so great now.

 

[The Commish]

I'm just going to continue to hate on mandates and forcing this stuff on people.

And this is a fine position to have in general. What makes absolutely no sense is why one would do this for a particular vaccine and not all. You're either ok with the concept or you aren't. Wiggling around, drawing arbitrary lines and making exceptions just reeks of political "sides" short-sightedness.

 

[Max Power]

I'm just going to continue to hate on mandates and forcing this stuff on people.

And this is a fine position to have in general. What makes absolutely no sense is why one would do this for a particular vaccine and not all. You're either ok with the concept or you aren't. Wiggling around, drawing arbitrary lines and making exceptions just reeks of political "sides" short-sightedness.

My issue is with forcing a medical treatment on a person when it may not be necessary or the right choice for them. Its not a vaccine thing, the vaccine was just the catalyst for this round. This current vaccine has jumped the shark and most people have realized it.

I would say defending the mandates while ignoring the science behind them looks political at this point and does not serve the interest of public health.

 

[The Commish]

I'm just going to continue to hate on mandates and forcing this stuff on people.

And this is a fine position to have in general. What makes absolutely no sense is why one would do this for a particular vaccine and not all. You're either ok with the concept or you aren't. Wiggling around, drawing arbitrary lines and making exceptions just reeks of political "sides" short-sightedness.

My issue is with forcing a medical treatment on a person when it may not be necessary or the right choice for them. Its not a vaccine thing, the vaccine was just the catalyst for this round. This current vaccine has jumped the shark and most people have realized it.

I would say defending the mandates while ignoring the science behind them looks political at this point and does not serve the interest of public health.

Since the inception of vaccines, this has been in play....this vaccine is no different in that regard. This same argument you are making now has been in play for decades and decades.

ETA: And this is from a guy who doesn't like mandates, but understands if companies, organizations, schools etc decide that's what they believe is best for their employees/students etc.

 

[Max Power]

I'm just going to continue to hate on mandates and forcing this stuff on people.

And this is a fine position to have in general. What makes absolutely no sense is why one would do this for a particular vaccine and not all. You're either ok with the concept or you aren't. Wiggling around, drawing arbitrary lines and making exceptions just reeks of political "sides" short-sightedness.

My issue is with forcing a medical treatment on a person when it may not be necessary or the right choice for them. Its not a vaccine thing, the vaccine was just the catalyst for this round. This current vaccine has jumped the shark and most people have realized it.

I would say defending the mandates while ignoring the science behind them looks political at this point and does not serve the interest of public health.

Since the inception of vaccines, this has been in play....this vaccine is no different in that regard. This same argument you are making now has been in play for decades and decades.

ETA: And this is from a guy who doesn't like mandates, but understands if companies, organizations, schools etc decide that's what they believe is best for their employees/students etc.

This "vaccine" is a bit different as it's really more of a treatment. It is also using different technology and Comirnaty (the approved version) wasn't available when mandated. Those are major milestones that we can't just ignore. We can force people to take something un an EUA. That is unethical.

 

[The Commish]

I'm just going to continue to hate on mandates and forcing this stuff on people.

And this is a fine position to have in general. What makes absolutely no sense is why one would do this for a particular vaccine and not all. You're either ok with the concept or you aren't. Wiggling around, drawing arbitrary lines and making exceptions just reeks of political "sides" short-sightedness.

My issue is with forcing a medical treatment on a person when it may not be necessary or the right choice for them. Its not a vaccine thing, the vaccine was just the catalyst for this round. This current vaccine has jumped the shark and most people have realized it.

I would say defending the mandates while ignoring the science behind them looks political at this point and does not serve the interest of public health.

Since the inception of vaccines, this has been in play....this vaccine is no different in that regard. This same argument you are making now has been in play for decades and decades.

ETA: And this is from a guy who doesn't like mandates, but understands if companies, organizations, schools etc decide that's what they believe is best for their employees/students etc.

This "vaccine" is a bit different as it's really more of a treatment. It is also using different technology and Comirnaty (the approved version) wasn't available when mandated. Those are major milestones that we can't just ignore. We can force people to take something un an EUA. That is unethical.

None of this matters to the practicality of a "treatment"...at all. You know this and you've also been shown at least 5 times how the bold is just a really bad talking point. Stop trying to move goalposts around. I'm already giving a pass to the fact you think this vaccine, which it actually is, isn't because you're looking at the efficacy of a vaccine against strands of the virus that didn't even exist when the vaccine was created while completely ignoring the enormous success of the vaccine against the virus that was in front of us at the time....the one the vaccine was created for.

 

[Max Power]

I'm just going to continue to hate on mandates and forcing this stuff on people.

And this is a fine position to have in general. What makes absolutely no sense is why one would do this for a particular vaccine and not all. You're either ok with the concept or you aren't. Wiggling around, drawing arbitrary lines and making exceptions just reeks of political "sides" short-sightedness.

My issue is with forcing a medical treatment on a person when it may not be necessary or the right choice for them. Its not a vaccine thing, the vaccine was just the catalyst for this round. This current vaccine has jumped the shark and most people have realized it.

I would say defending the mandates while ignoring the science behind them looks political at this point and does not serve the interest of public health.

Since the inception of vaccines, this has been in play....this vaccine is no different in that regard. This same argument you are making now has been in play for decades and decades.

ETA: And this is from a guy who doesn't like mandates, but understands if companies, organizations, schools etc decide that's what they believe is best for their employees/students etc.

This "vaccine" is a bit different as it's really more of a treatment. It is also using different technology and Comirnaty (the approved version) wasn't available when mandated. Those are major milestones that we can't just ignore. We can force people to take something un an EUA. That is unethical.

None of this matters to the practicality of a "treatment"...at all. You know this and you've also been shown at least 5 times how the bold is just a really bad talking point. Stop trying to move goalposts around. I'm already giving a pass to the fact you think this vaccine, which it actually is, isn't because you're looking at the efficacy of a vaccine against strands of the virus that didn't even exist when the vaccine was created while completely ignoring the enormous success of the vaccine against the virus that was in front of us at the time....the one the vaccine was created for.

In rebuke to Pentagon, Navy board finds 3-0 for vax objector amid questions of mandate's lawfulness

"[W]e are encouraged that the truth was revealed in this Board, and we hope this ground-breaking case sends a strong message to the Department of Defense," said counsel for Navy Lt. Billy Moseley.

justthenews.com

 

[Doug B]

Good for Billy Moseley, but that was in May. At present:

"The FDA also gave EUA to the vaccines produced by Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen. Pfizer and Moderna have also gotten full FDA approval for use in adults, but the vaccine formulas for kids remains at EUA. The military is able to mandate the troops receive the COVID-19 vaccine because there are two options that have full FDA approval, although service members can receive a EUA vaccine if they would rather." (USNI News, 8/2/2022)

 

[Max Power]

Good for Billy Moseley, but that was in May. At present:

"The FDA also gave EUA to the vaccines produced by Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen. Pfizer and Moderna have also gotten full FDA approval for use in adults, but the vaccine formulas for kids remains at EUA. The military is able to mandate the troops receive the COVID-19 vaccine because there are two options that have full FDA approval, although service members can receive a EUA vaccine if they would rather." (USNI News, 8/2/2022)

And its unfortunately too late for most. The federal mandate is still on pause because Biden won't kill it and has no idea how to dig out of the hole currently.

Here is the full whistleblower report if you want to read it.

https://safe.menlosecurity.com/doc/docview/viewer/docN183C95837DB1dc306f0e6171d529ba7c6e409e633956b2e07fa8c1de66ed7bc2e8536ff42e61

 

[Stealthycat]

discussed recent email with my manager

I was forced to get vaxxed so I wouldn't get covid/transmit covid

now we know vaxxed gets covid and asymptomatic people with covid transmit covid

so ...... why was I forced to get vaxxed? It doesn't stop me from getting or transmitting covid, and in my age group and conditions, its like a 0.01% chance of death

he didn't have any answers for me

 

[Max Power]

discussed recent email with my manager

I was forced to get vaxxed so I wouldn't get covid/transmit covid

now we know vaxxed gets covid and asymptomatic people with covid transmit covid

so ...... why was I forced to get vaxxed? It doesn't stop me from getting or transmitting covid, and in my age group and conditions, its like a 0.01% chance of death

he didn't have any answers for me

I don't think you were legally forced to get the vaccine. It depends on the company's wording. If you went to get the vaccine over the threat of losing your job, that was your decision at that point sadly. You had the right to refuse it per the EUA, but did not. I think the company has a legal out, but it again depends how they phrased it.

 

[Stealthycat]

I don't think you were legally forced to get the vaccine. It depends on the company's wording. If you went to get the vaccine over the threat of losing your job, that was your decision at that point sadly. You had the right to refuse it per the EUA, but did not. I think the company has a legal out, but it again depends how they phrased it.

get it or lose my job was how it was conveyed to me

oh I suppose I had a choice - but not really. Lost my seniority, income, I'd have had to move, leave my people where I am .......... I guess it was still a choice but not much of one

and now looking back how wrong they all were on why we were being forced to get shots :(

 

[Max Power]

I don't think you were legally forced to get the vaccine. It depends on the company's wording. If you went to get the vaccine over the threat of losing your job, that was your decision at that point sadly. You had the right to refuse it per the EUA, but did not. I think the company has a legal out, but it again depends how they phrased it.

get it or lose my job was how it was conveyed to me

oh I suppose I had a choice - but not really. Lost my seniority, income, I'd have had to move, leave my people where I am .......... I guess it was still a choice but not much of one

and now looking back how wrong they all were on why we were being forced to get shots :(

I hate it too, I was just giving my outsider opinion of how a company will finesse the situation now.

I was prepared to be fired, but felt confident in my opinion in the matter. Every time a deadline passed, the government gave us a new out instead of punishment. Then they just sort of dropped it and moved on, but people don't forget. We're still kicking out some very good people from the DoD over this silliness. Its hurting our armed forces because it's political now. Biden will be on the wrong end of this when the dust settles.

 

[Max Power]

COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates at Universities

Students at North American universities risk disenrollment due to third dose COVID-19 vaccine mandates. We present a risk-benefit assessment of boosters in this

papers.ssrn.com

COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates at Universities​

Abstract​

Students at North American universities risk disenrollment due to third dose COVID-19 vaccine mandates. We present a risk-benefit assessment of boosters in this age group and provide five ethical arguments against mandates. We estimate that 22,000 - 30,000 previously uninfected adults aged 18-29 must be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent one COVID-19 hospitalisation. Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities. Given the high prevalence of post-infection immunity, this risk-benefit profile is even less favourable. University booster mandates are unethical because: 1) no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group; 2) vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people; 3) mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission; 4) US mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and 5) mandates create wider social harms. We consider counter-arguments such as a desire for socialisation and safety and show that such arguments lack scientific and/or ethical support. Finally, we discuss the relevance of our analysis for current 2-dose Covid-19 vaccine mandates in North America.

 

[jon_mx]

I would bet our covid response probably cost about $50 million per life saved. This policy is even worse and seems like a negative return. At this point it is purely a show of power and has nothing to do with protecting anyone.

 

[jon_mx]

discussed recent email with my manager

I was forced to get vaxxed so I wouldn't get covid/transmit covid

now we know vaxxed gets covid and asymptomatic people with covid transmit covid

so ...... why was I forced to get vaxxed? It doesn't stop me from getting or transmitting covid, and in my age group and conditions, its like a 0.01% chance of death

he didn't have any answers for me

I don't think you were legally forced to get the vaccine. It depends on the company's wording. If you went to get the vaccine over the threat of losing your job, that was your decision at that point sadly. You had the right to refuse it per the EUA, but did not. I think the company has a legal out, but it again depends how they phrased it.

The left is realizing the loophole to our Constitution is to use their big corporate counterparts to do their dirty work for them. Our freedom and rights are being stolen from us in the government-corporate alliance which smells a lot like fascism. Free speech, parental rights, indoctrination, experimental vaccinations mandates.

 

[Stealthycat]

my cousin's husband is health compromised

during covid peak, she refuses to meet/see anyone who wasn't vaccinated because she was told they were a threat to her husband and their health - carrying/transmitting covid because they wasn't vaccinated

last night she told me her son was covid positive - 3rd time now since vaccinated. She knows now she was lied to - vaccinated gets covid, transmits covid, incubated the virus and helps mutations etc etc just like non-vax

at least she admits how she was misled

 

[supermike80]

I would bet our covid response probably cost about $50 million per life saved. This policy is even worse and seems like a negative return. At this point it is purely a show of power and has nothing to do with protecting anyone.

Not quite but close. Remember democrats(and liberals especially) operate on feelings. Always and forever. They generally don't think things through when feelings are involved. So the whole "if we can save one life" trumps every single other data point. This is how they work. And I mean it's an OK concept, but they just take it too far. Always have.

 

[Stealthycat]

interesting


so now, her son is covid positive with symptoms

she's not symptomatic nor does she register as covid positive ... and she's allowed to go to work (financials, sees a lot of people every day) with no problems

wow

18 months ago she'd be quarantined for 10 days ..... now? now, its no big deal

amazing

 

[LawFitz]

Seems like nearly everyday now I come across another article about a young famous (or adjacent famous) person dying from either cancer or some other unexplained 'natural' cause. Two days ago it was a 51 yr old stand up comic. Yesterday it was a 34 yr old ex UFC fighter. Today it was the young wife of an MLB player.

Is it long covid? Or the other elephant? Or just noise? I don't know, but it sure would be nice to.

 

[Max Power]

Seems like nearly everyday now I come across another article about a young famous (or adjacent famous) person dying from either cancer or some other unexplained 'natural' cause. Two days ago it was a 51 yr old stand up comic. Yesterday it was a 34 yr old ex UFC fighter. Today it was the young wife of an MLB player.

Is it long covid? Or the other elephant? Or just noise? I don't know, but it sure would be nice to.

It looks like more and more people are stumbling on to the non covid excess mortality issue hitting a lot of countries right now. The facts are that these deaths are happening and those numbers can not finessed, they are hard numbers.

Anyone firmly in the this is because the covid vaccine is wrong, just as anyone in firmly in the this isn't because the covid vaccine is wrong. We really just don't know. Plenty of theories out there, but it does seem like a lot of governments are only borderline acknowledging it and haven't launched major investigations into the causes. My personal opinion is that IF it does end up being the vaccines contributing to the major increase in cardiovascular events, the government wants to avoid responsibility for it. I think they are hoping it just goes away over time.

The spike in young people suddenly dying or having heart attacks is very concerning. We're seeing it creep up in the military now. Heart related deaths/injuries are on the incline. All that said, this could very well be a case of Baader-Meinhof phenomenon where we see it more now because we are conscious of it. However the statistics indicate it is happening.

I support getting to the bottom of it, whatever it is.

 

[the moops]

Seems like nearly everyday now I come across another article about a young famous (or adjacent famous) person dying from either cancer or some other unexplained 'natural' cause. Two days ago it was a 51 yr old stand up comic. Yesterday it was a 34 yr old ex UFC fighter. Today it was the young wife of an MLB player.

Is it long covid? Or the other elephant? Or just noise? I don't know, but it sure would be nice to.

There is no "unexplained natural cause" in either of those three cases. One had cancer, the other had cirrhosis of the liver. Can't find the news on the wife that died today. You are looking for a conspiracy when you should be shouting "**** cancer" instead

34 year old MMA fighter had cancer https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/lists/ufc-news-elias-theodorou-death-mma-community-mourns-tuf-cancer

51 year old standup comic had cirrhosis of the liver https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2017/oct/16/sean-hughes-comedian-dies-aged-51

 

[(HULK)]

People I know dead from Covid: 2
People I know dead from Covid vaccination or unexplained circumstances that I can vaguely paint as vaccine related: 0

 

[(HULK)]

I got my bivalent vax yesterday. 4th vax, all have been Pfizer. I also had Covid in last April, so it was likely Omicron BA1. This bivalent vax gives me protection against the BA4/5 spike, which I was missing.

Pretty sure Covid will just bounce off of me and say "ouch!" if I encounter it.

 

[Max Power]

Pretty sure Covid will just bounce off of me and say "ouch!" if I encounter it.

Me too.

 

[Max Power]

Denmark announces it will no longer offer booster to those under 50 years of age. Some exceptions apply.

Vaccination against covid-19

The Danish Health Authority expects that the number of covid-19 infections will increase during autumn and winter. Therefore, we recommend vaccination of people aged 50 years and over as well as selected risk groups. Read more about the autumn vaccination programme here.

www.sst.dk

The purpose of the vaccination programme is to prevent severe illness, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, people at the highest risk of becoming severely ill will be offered booster vaccination. The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination.

People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19. In addition, younger people aged under 50 are well protected against becoming severely ill from covid-19, as a very large number of them have already been vaccinated and have previously been infected with covid-19, and there is consequently good immunity among this part of the population.

It is important that the population also remembers the guidance on how to prevent the spread of infection, including staying at home in case of illness, frequent aeration or ventilation, social distancing, good coughing etiquette, hand hygiene and cleaning.

 

[(HULK)]

Pretty sure Covid will just bounce off of me and say "ouch!" if I encounter it.

Me too.

Hope so bro

 

[jobarules]

Biden declared the pandemic over and progressive liberals threw a hissy fit

Biden told ‘60 Minutes’ COVID pandemic ‘is over,’ sparking liberal backlash

President Biden declared the COVID-19 pandemic “over” during an interview that aired Sunday night — and immediately sparked a bitter backlash from progressives and liberal Democra…

nypost.com

 

[Max Power]

Biden declared the pandemic over and progressive liberals threw a hissy fit

Biden told ‘60 Minutes’ COVID pandemic ‘is over,’ sparking liberal backlash

President Biden declared the COVID-19 pandemic “over” during an interview that aired Sunday night — and immediately sparked a bitter backlash from progressives and liberal Democra…

nypost.com

If its over Biden needs to end the federal mandate. I can't believe how stupid the policy is at this point. It severely hurt military readiness and weakened our armed services. This mandate made America worse off and he still can't see it.

 

[Genxersrule]

Biden declared the pandemic over and progressive liberals threw a hissy fit

Biden told ‘60 Minutes’ COVID pandemic ‘is over,’ sparking liberal backlash

President Biden declared the COVID-19 pandemic “over” during an interview that aired Sunday night — and immediately sparked a bitter backlash from progressives and liberal Democra…

nypost.com

If its over Biden needs to end the federal mandate. I can't believe how stupid the policy is at this point. It severely hurt military readiness and weakened our armed services. This mandate made America worse off and he still can't see it.

Definitely need to end the mandates.

I'm just happy that enough folks got vaccinated so that Omicron didn't quite overrun our health system and provided enough people with protection so that future mutations were much less deadly. Heck, despite being the lowest at risk population in terms of age, the unvaccinated made up the lions share of death and hospitalizations in 2021 and 2022. Luckily enough of our country trusted the science and we can get on with our lives.

 

[Rich Conway]

If its over Biden needs to end the federal mandate. I can't believe how stupid the policy is at this point. It severely hurt military readiness and weakened our armed services. This mandate made America worse off and he still can't see it.

I can understand that you might disagree with various aspects of COVID policies. That said, the logic in the bolded is incorrect. It's entirely possible that a pandemic can be over AND specific policies are required to keep it that way. For example, measles and polio are no longer at pandemic stages, yet much of the reason for that is due to the existence of and mandates for vaccines.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that any specific COVID policy is necessary at this time. I'm simply noting that your logic above is flawed and that you should find alternate arguments.

 

[Rubiobot]

despite being the lowest at risk population in terms of age, the unvaccinated made up the lions share of death and hospitalizations in 2021 and 2022. Luckily enough of our country trusted the science and we can get on with our lives.

In before the "natural immunity is the reason" posts.

 

[the moops]

If its over Biden needs to end the federal mandate. I can't believe how stupid the policy is at this point. It severely hurt military readiness and weakened our armed services. This mandate made America worse off and he still can't see it.

I can understand that you might disagree with various aspects of COVID policies. That said, the logic in the bolded is incorrect. It's entirely possible that a pandemic can be over AND specific policies are required to keep it that way. For example, measles and polio are no longer at pandemic stages, yet much of the reason for that is due to the existence of and mandates for vaccines.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that any specific COVID policy is necessary at this time. I'm simply noting that your logic above is flawed and that you should find alternate arguments.

How come nobody complains about other required vaccines hurting readiness and weakening the armed services?

• Adenovirus
• Hepatitis A
• Hepatitis B
• Influenza
• Measles, mumps, rubella
• Meningococcal
• Poliovirus
• Tetanus-Diphtheria
• Varicella

 

[Battersbox]

Biden declared the pandemic over and progressive liberals threw a hissy fit

Biden told ‘60 Minutes’ COVID pandemic ‘is over,’ sparking liberal backlash

President Biden declared the COVID-19 pandemic “over” during an interview that aired Sunday night — and immediately sparked a bitter backlash from progressives and liberal Democra…

nypost.com

If its over Biden needs to end the federal mandate. I can't believe how stupid the policy is at this point. It severely hurt military readiness and weakened our armed services. This mandate made America worse off and he still can't see it.

Definitely need to end the mandates.

I'm just happy that enough folks got vaccinated so that Omicron didn't quite overrun our health system and provided enough people with protection so that future mutations were much less deadly. Heck, despite being the lowest at risk population in terms of age, the unvaccinated made up the lions share of death and hospitalizations in 2021 and 2022. Luckily enough of our country trusted the science and we can get on with our lives.

The bolded is complete misinformation. Please don't do that. At no point in the past few years have the lowest at risk population in terms of age made up the lions share of death and hospitalizations, vaccinated or otherwise. Misinformation like this is the reason we have legions of mentally scarred parents who still fret over their kids going to school, as well as a few remaining mask mandates for children.

 

[Max Power]

If its over Biden needs to end the federal mandate. I can't believe how stupid the policy is at this point. It severely hurt military readiness and weakened our armed services. This mandate made America worse off and he still can't see it.

I can understand that you might disagree with various aspects of COVID policies. That said, the logic in the bolded is incorrect. It's entirely possible that a pandemic can be over AND specific policies are required to keep it that way. For example, measles and polio are no longer at pandemic stages, yet much of the reason for that is due to the existence of and mandates for vaccines.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that any specific COVID policy is necessary at this time. I'm simply noting that your logic above is flawed and that you should find alternate arguments.

How come nobody complains about other required vaccines hurting readiness and weakening the armed services?

• Adenovirus
• Hepatitis A
• Hepatitis B
• Influenza
• Measles, mumps, rubella
• Meningococcal
• Poliovirus
• Tetanus-Diphtheria
• Varicella

Because those work

 

[Genxersrule]

Biden declared the pandemic over and progressive liberals threw a hissy fit

Biden told ‘60 Minutes’ COVID pandemic ‘is over,’ sparking liberal backlash

President Biden declared the COVID-19 pandemic “over” during an interview that aired Sunday night — and immediately sparked a bitter backlash from progressives and liberal Democra…

nypost.com

If its over Biden needs to end the federal mandate. I can't believe how stupid the policy is at this point. It severely hurt military readiness and weakened our armed services. This mandate made America worse off and he still can't see it.

Definitely need to end the mandates.

I'm just happy that enough folks got vaccinated so that Omicron didn't quite overrun our health system and provided enough people with protection so that future mutations were much less deadly. Heck, despite being the lowest at risk population in terms of age, the unvaccinated made up the lions share of death and hospitalizations in 2021 and 2022. Luckily enough of our country trusted the science and we can get on with our lives.

The bolded is complete misinformation. Please don't do that. At no point in the past few years have the lowest at risk population in terms of age made up the lions share of death and hospitalizations, vaccinated or otherwise. Misinformation like this is the reason we have legions of mentally scarred parents who still fret over their kids going to school, as well as a few remaining mask mandates for children.

Fair. I wasn't talking about children, but adults age less than 80. These folks massively disproportionately were hospitalized and died from Covid.

 

[Rubiobot]

The vast majority of deaths and hospitalizations were unvaccinated in all age groups.

 

[Battersbox]

The vast majority of deaths and hospitalizations were unvaccinated in all age groups.

That's also untrue. The rates are higher for the unvaccinated, but the vast majority of death and disease and burden on the health care system was definitely not coming from the unvaccinated this year. It's important to be accurate about these things considering a significant portion of our population still to this day has a poor understanding of the age-related risk ratios for Covid.

 

[Rubiobot]

It's important to be accurate

Then you should be accurate.

 

[Battersbox]

It's important to be accurate

Then you should be accurate.

I was. Say what you mean.

 

[Rubiobot]

It's important to be accurate

Then you should be accurate.

I was. Say what you mean.

I did in the post you originally quoted.

 

[Battersbox]

It's important to be accurate

Then you should be accurate.

I was. Say what you mean.

I did in the post you originally quoted.

Well, I'll be generous and say you are mistaken, rather than call you a liar. The 'vast majority' of death and hospitalizations in all age groups were not in the unvaccinated in 2022. That's simply untrue.

 

[Rubiobot]

It's important to be accurate

Then you should be accurate.

I was. Say what you mean.

I did in the post you originally quoted.

Well, I'll be generous and say you are mistaken, rather than call you a liar. The 'vast majority' of death and hospitalizations in all age groups were not in the unvaccinated in 2022. That's simply untrue.

Link?

 

[Battersbox]

It's important to be accurate

Then you should be accurate.

I was. Say what you mean.

I did in the post you originally quoted.

Well, I'll be generous and say you are mistaken, rather than call you a liar. The 'vast majority' of death and hospitalizations in all age groups were not in the unvaccinated in 2022. That's simply untrue.

Link?

Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19), non-COVID-19 deaths and all deaths by vaccination status, broken down by age group.

www.ons.gov.uk

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/29/covid-deaths-unvaccinated-boosters/

Growing share of Covid-19 deaths are among vaccinated people, but booster shots substantially lower the risk | CNN

Since Covid-19 vaccines became widely available, there has been a wide gap in deaths between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. But recent Covid deaths are much more evenly split as highly transmissible variants take hold, vaccine protection wanes and booster uptake stagnates.

www.cnn.com