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The primary cause of suffering among trans people is lack of recognition of their gender identity. How would you propose to alleviate this suffering so they won't "act out."?*
I am lost here, please clarify for me to whom you refer to as the afflicted as regards to this topic? Do you view trans folks as being mentally ill because they are trans?
I don’t think trans people need to be prohibited from everywhere that a sexual assault might occur.
In this case, IMO, it has more to do with the actions of the school officials to try and bury this and not so much on bathrooms. I say this with all seriousness - those people who tried to keep this "an internal matter" should be prosecuted for aiding and abetting. That's ridiculous behavior.
Parents instinctually protect their young. I think we can all agree 14 year old girls are fairly vulnerable and protecting them should be a priority. In this case the directive to allow males into the girl's bathroom at the least made this crime easier to commit. The reason it's easy to protest is because it's glaringly obvious - there is no subtlety here that requires reflection.
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Is there any video of any of this? This part of the story didn’t really make sense to me. How did the trans activist even know to start trouble with this guy?
Are you talking about conversion therapy when you mention “meaningful treatment?” What exactly are you talking about? My understanding is that the primary way that experts treat gender dysphoria is through medical intervention (hormones, etc.) to allow individuals to live their lives as the gender they identify with.
That video makes it seem like he was the only person that deserved to be arrested. Certainly possible it doesn’t tell the whole story.
When I was going to school the bathrooms were unmonitored except for Junior High where you needed to "sign in to" use the bathroom or when the entire class went to the bathroom in elementary school at the same time. Otherwise they were just two doors in the hallway. If one was so inclined to sexually assault someone nothing would have stopped them from going into the women's bathroom (other than in Junior High). So I think that it is hardly a given that the crime was easier. Especially if the guy was wearing a skirt.
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Sounds like the greatest outrage in this thread, ranked in order, goes something like this:
1. Use of the word “Libs”
2. Squid losing his notebook and his memory. Here’s a hint buddy - the thread got nuked. And you were involved in it, as was OPM and Henry Ford
3. That rapes will occur regardless of what the name on the bathroom door says.
4. That this only happened once, even though that was proven to be incorrect.
5. A 14 year old girl was raped and sodomized by a high school boy who identifies as a girl, at a high school that allows biological males to use the women’s bathroom.
6. That the school and BOE allegedly covered it up.
7. That the transgender was put in another school with the same policy - where he raced another young girl.
8. That the poor girl’s father had the audacity to get so angry at the BOE that he got arrested at the meeting, after which the “Libs” in Laudon County used him as an example of domestic terrorism.
Good to see you all have your priorities straight.
Would be a more productive conversation if you didn't resort to such hyperbole. @fatguyinalittlecoat has been nothing but civil in all these discussions, even when faced with some horrific things said on this topic, which is very personal to him.
The original linked article was different right? The one you have linked now answers a lot of the questions I had about the facts of the story, thanks.
I haven’t read through the articles about these particular assaults, but I do recall the debate in the now deleted thread being more along the lines of cis men dressing up as women so that they could access the women’s restroom to perpetrate assaults than trans women committing the assaults. But if that’s the argument, wouldn’t allowing trans males into the women’s restroom also provide cover for cis males to go into women’s restrooms to perpetrate assaults? They wouldn’t even have to dress up.
So how would you go about defining the rule for who can and can’t access men’s and women’s restrooms?
The lengthy article posted in the opening post does not identify the kid as trans, it just says he’s bisexual and “likes to wear a skirt sometimes.”
Wait, how would that even be enforced?!?
No doubt she verbally provoked him and no doubt he reacted strongly, though I didn't see him put a hand on her. As fathers in here I think we can all agree this would be an emotional item if some random activist at the meeting got in your grill and started arguing about "what really happened" to your victimized child.
Well, that's a really callous way of describing it, but essentially, yes. I would argue, like I stated earlier, that the person that committed the act is likely to have done it anyway, regardless of school district policy. Obviously the cover-up by the school district should never have happened, and appropriate individuals held responsible. This seems like another one-off story getting amplified to fill the daily outrage quota to me.
This was how I read those concerns as well.
I am a father. If my kid was raped I would not have acted the way this guy did when called into school the day of his daughter's alleged rape. I would not have acted the way this guy did at the school board meeting.
Many trans males look like dudes. They have male features. No breasts. Beards. Your rule will have them using the female restroom. It seems to me that your rule will create far more apprehension in women and will be far more effective in providing cover for cis males to use women’s restrooms for nefarious purposes.
If we simply had co-ed restrooms would sexual assault in restrooms increase or decrease? Would sexual assaults in general increase or decrease? How is the "honor system" helpful to deter a would be rapist, or peeper, or whatever? If the goal is to protect our girls and women from sexual predators this seems counter productive to me. Sure there are other goals that can be enumerated and balancing these goals might make segregated restrooms make sense, but as far as sexual assault I don't see any real reduction in opportunity with segregated rest rooms while seeing the risk of the predator getting his
kicked seems to be reduced.
My younger kid goes to a high school with 3000 kids. She definitely doesn't know everyone there. And of the people that she does know, she doesn't necessarily know if they are trans or not.
I would like to think we can use the honor system but then if the person is reported peeing standing up by girls in their bathroom, bathroom reassignment is in order.
Ignoring the word "force", I'd like to hear the argument on what segregated rest rooms offer us and why it is good. It has always been that way and expressing incredulity isn't really convincing. And if you want to go ahead and suggest that anyone that even asks the question is just a pervert, but then explain the anti pervert problem that segregating restrooms actually solves rather than exacerbates.
It seems unlikely to me that kids will start narcing on each other for using the "wrong" bathroom, for the same reasons that they don't narc on each other for vaping in the bathroom.
