Rex Grossman or John Beck? (1 Viewer)

[DiStefano]

The #1 reason Grossman saw the field last season and Beck didn't is because Grossman had 2 full years in Kyle Shanahan's offense, as compared to Beck, who barely had any experience in the system (they traded for Beck during the preseason last year).

Right, and from week 17 to now Beck hasn't gotten nearly as much work with Kyle as they would have wanted. Isn't it possible they'd rather have him sit more?

Sure, it's possible. But only if they don't think he has a handle on the offense. I've heard, nor seen, anything that remotely suggests Beck doesn't have a good handle on the playbook. In fact, Shanahan has explicitly stated that he would be completely comfortable with either of them under center against the Giants.

Shanny is jerking Coughlin around.And us.

 

[Riffraff]

Beck played the first half & Gutierrez in for the second half. No Grossman. Does this mean they are protecting Grossman to start week 1 (i.e. resting the starter), or does this mean Beck is their man week 1? Hard to figure this one out...

Pretty sure it just means they wanted more PT with the starters to evaluate Beck. Beck missed the first preseason game due to injury, so this evens up the preseason PT between Grossman and Beck.

I agree.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Beck played the first half & Gutierrez in for the second half. No Grossman. Does this mean they are protecting Grossman to start week 1 (i.e. resting the starter), or does this mean Beck is their man week 1? Hard to figure this one out...

Pretty sure it just means they wanted more PT with the starters to evaluate Beck. Beck missed the first preseason game due to injury, so this evens up the preseason PT between Grossman and Beck.

I agree.

I caught Shanny's presser after I posted that and when asked why Grossman didn't play he said exactly that. He wanted to give even PT to both QBs. He even referenced the number of pass attempts each QB had prior to tonight.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Grossman is starting...

Edited to add Week 1...this could be a fluid situation.

 

[RedskinsFan]

But their record was 6-10, they stunk last year, and they've won 0 games so far this year, so there's been no greatness since he's been in Washington.

As much as I can be objectionable about your long winded negative post about my team I wanted to respond to you about this in paticularYou seemed to have only scratched the surface on much of what you said that was right about Coach Shanahan's first season

As a Skins fan all my long life I can not remember a first year head coach who came in and beat all of these "terrible" teams and went 6-10

The Superbowl Champion Packers

The NFC East Champion Eagles

The NFC Championship game runner up Chicago Bears

The Dallas Cowboys on Sunday Night Football

And eliminated the Jacksonville Jaguars from the playoffs in a game they needed to win to clinch a playoff spot on the road

Yes we were a 6 and 10 football team but how many football teams can you say this about the wins they did have?

And while you want to bring up the McNabb and Hanyesworth player failures

What about giving some credit for the unknown players he brought up out of nowhere

Guys like Anthony Armstrong, Brandon Banks, and Keiland Williams

Guys who played pivotal roles for us last year who were undrafted

Or what about mentioning that for the first time in the Snyder era we didn't have a free agency spending spree

We were the biggest spenders on the block but not in Coach Shannahan's first year here

Well we did bring in a few guys like Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, and Ryan Torain

Sure two of the three didn't work out but those were next to vet minimum contracts, who cares?

And even this teams losses were respectable at least to me as a fan who's used to seeing us lose

Lost to Houston by 3 points in an overtime game after our kicker missed a FG

Lost to the Colts on Sunday Night Football by 3 points after our kicker missed a FG

Lost to the Buccaneers by a single point after our kicker missed 2 FG's

To me even most of our losses gave us hope that the embarrassments of Jim Zorn were finally gone and we were getting back to respectability

Oh and thanks for the compliment about the 2011 draft

You didn't mention after crying your tears about McNabb and Hanyesworth that we ended up getting back those lost draft picks

We entered the 2011 draft with 6 picks and no third or fourth round selections

Ended up taking a player in every round and drafted 12 players total

I'm not saying that mistakes weren't made but in Washington that's all we've been used to lately

And it was refreshing to see some positives come out of the 2010 season

And after our second successful off season in a row I have no doubt that wins will eventually come

You don't built Rome in a day it takes time

And you can't bake a cake without cracking some eggs

But then again Coach Gibbs did show us that with the right moves you can become a champion in a coaches second season so who knows

Anything is possible

 

[valhallan]

Still think Grossman is starting. Beck took some much needed lumps tonight.

This is still a football team, despite the Washington area's desire to make them a soap opera. Grossman has not lost his job and the players are more comfortable with him, therefore the coaches will give him the nod week 1. Forcing Beck in there when the results clearly indicate Grossman would be a major ***** in the armor of an off-season that has gone very well.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Still think Grossman is starting. Beck took some much needed lumps tonight. This is still a football team, despite the Washington area's desire to make them a soap opera. Grossman has not lost his job and the players are more comfortable with him, therefore the coaches will give him the nod week 1. Forcing Beck in there when the results clearly indicate Grossman would be a major ***** in the armor of an off-season that has gone very well.

Ted Bruschi on NFL Live said Grossman standing all game with a cap on, he's starting week 1 an probably the first few games.

 

[gbill2004]

Still think Grossman is starting. Beck took some much needed lumps tonight. This is still a football team, despite the Washington area's desire to make them a soap opera. Grossman has not lost his job and the players are more comfortable with him, therefore the coaches will give him the nod week 1. Forcing Beck in there when the results clearly indicate Grossman would be a major ***** in the armor of an off-season that has gone very well.

Ted Bruschi on NFL Live said Grossman standing all game with a cap on, he's starting week 1 an probably the first few games.

 

[gbill2004]

Washington fans on their message board are are saying, with confidence, that Grossman has won the starting job & will be the Redskins starting QB week 1.

 

[The Hank]

Interesting read from Washington Post's Jason Reid

The voting period has ended. It’s time to call the winner. The Washington Redskins should have a new starting quarterback in 2011: John Beck.

There’s no need to wait for an official announcement. Enough has happened to determine that Beck should be the Redskins’ guy.

Runner-up Rex Grossman ran a strong race. He proved to be a formidable challenger throughout a quarterback competition that kept things interesting during an unusually quiet preseason at Redskins Park.

In these challenging times, however, Beck is the right man for the moment.

Forget his shaky performance (10 of 21 for 108 yards and an interception) Thursday night as Washington defeated Tampa Bay, 29-24, in the preseason finale at FedEx Field. Washington’s top offensive linemen protected Beck, but the starting backfield and wide receivers did not play.

After directing several scoring drives in his first two preseason games, Beck wasn’t effective at producing points against the Buccaneers. The outing certainly could stir doubts about Beck’s standing, especially since Grossman, who started two of the first three games, and many first-string players got the night off.

Beck didn’t make excuses. “There are throws that I should have made that I didn’t,” he said.

Selecting a No. 1 quarterback is Coach Mike Shanahan’s biggest decision. He’ll consider much more than what occurred in the last tuneup.

As always, Redskins coaches will review film. The team will continue to practice, “and we should make a decision, at least from a coaching staff standpoint” sometime soon, Shanahan said. “We may share it, we may not. It all depends on what we think gives us the best chance to win against the Giants.”

Until the Redskins’ first regular season snap, Grossman remains in the mix. The possibility exists that Beck’s clunker could weigh prominently in the decision. There’s no way of knowing Shanahan’s exact criteria, so Beck still could lose in an upset.

It just wouldn’t make sense.

The Beck-Grossman battle has been tight since the beginning of training camp, Redskins officials say. Neither pulled away in what was often described as a neck-and-neck sprint to the finish.

Assuming that’s true, then Beck actually has been far ahead all along, considering his lack of experience.

Beginning his fifth season, Beck has attempted only 107 passes in the regular season — none since 2007. Grossman has started 34 games, including three for Washington last season. As he begins his ninth season, Grossman has 1,104 attempts.

Also, this is Grossman’s third season in the offense Shanahan designed. Beck is only in his second. Grossman failed to take a clear lead despite having more time in the scheme and the league overall.

Beck’s potential is what should matter most now. It’s reasonable to assume Beck could eventually produce more than Grossman if he had even a little more experience.

Shanahan could provide just that.

The most powerful man in Washington’s football operation doesn’t have to ask anyone’s permission to give Beck an opportunity the quarterback is eager to seize. It’s simply a matter of Shanahan, Redskins people say, finally doing what he has wanted to do all along.

Shanahan did not select a quarterback in the draft, in part, because he was grooming Beck for the present and future. He declined to add another viable challenger to the Beck-Grossman battle because he had a plan.

As long as Beck continued to validate Shanahan’s faith in him, people say, Shanahan’s guy was already in place. Beck had to lose his spot.

In my opinion, he hasn’t.

By now, Beck’s story is well known.

Miami and Baltimore, the teams Beck played for previously, evaluated him much less favorably than Shanahan and his son, Kyle, Washington’s offensive coordinator. No one in the NFL views Beck as highly as the Shanahans do, which is good for Beck, because this is their show.

Where others noticed limitations in Beck, the Shanahans saw potential for significant improvement. Although some doubted Beck’s strengths were even enough for him to compete at the highest level, the Shanahans had no such concerns.

The Shanahans, people familiar with their thinking say, believe they know exactly who Beck is and what he could become. To them, he’s not simply another quarterback. Beck is the best choice to assist them in reviving the Redskins.

He’s more athletic than Grossman, which should help in aspects of the running game and play calling. The Redskins believe Beck will be more careful with the football than Grossman, who has 40 career touchdowns and 40 interceptions.

If the Redskins were a finished product, Grossman would be the safer choice. If all Shanahan needed was a quarterback to manage the offense while relying on a dominant running game and an overpowering defense, then he should roll with Rex.

Washington isn’t there yet.

More talented than last season, the Redskins probably still won’t be among the best of the best. Why not develop with Beck?

“I believe, and will always believe, I can be a starter in this league,” Beck said. “What happens, I don’t know, because I’m not the one making the decision. . . . It’s kind of a tough spot, because you just don’t know.”

One way or another, Shanahan’s choice will have a major impact on the season. A mistake could be another significant setback, and nailing it would provide a big boost. Shanahan brought Beck to Washington to play. It’s time to let him.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Still think Grossman is starting. Beck took some much needed lumps tonight. This is still a football team, despite the Washington area's desire to make them a soap opera. Grossman has not lost his job and the players are more comfortable with him, therefore the coaches will give him the nod week 1. Forcing Beck in there when the results clearly indicate Grossman would be a major ***** in the armor of an off-season that has gone very well.

I can't comment on last night's game since I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but when Beck came in to the Baltimore game in the 3rd series, the offense seemed much more energized and upbeat. You could tell the difference.I do think the fact that Beck played last night while Grossman didn't is being way overblown. As others have stated, Beck missed the first preseason game with injury, so it made since for him to get more PT in the 4th game. Beck is still going to be the starter, imo.

 

[valhallan]

Still think Grossman is starting. Beck took some much needed lumps tonight. This is still a football team, despite the Washington area's desire to make them a soap opera. Grossman has not lost his job and the players are more comfortable with him, therefore the coaches will give him the nod week 1. Forcing Beck in there when the results clearly indicate Grossman would be a major ***** in the armor of an off-season that has gone very well.

I can't comment on last night's game since I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but when Beck came in to the Baltimore game in the 3rd series, the offense seemed much more energized and upbeat. You could tell the difference.I do think the fact that Beck played last night while Grossman didn't is being way overblown. As others have stated, Beck missed the first preseason game with injury, so it made since for him to get more PT in the 4th game. Beck is still going to be the starter, imo.

Beck's first three throws were probably better than anything I've seen from Grossman, but as the game wore on he made some really rough decisions. It's possible he would have fared better with more of the starting skill guys out there. I may have been too quick to make that conclusion last night but for some reason my gut says they're going to protect Beck longer.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Still think Grossman is starting. Beck took some much needed lumps tonight. This is still a football team, despite the Washington area's desire to make them a soap opera. Grossman has not lost his job and the players are more comfortable with him, therefore the coaches will give him the nod week 1. Forcing Beck in there when the results clearly indicate Grossman would be a major ***** in the armor of an off-season that has gone very well.

I can't comment on last night's game since I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but when Beck came in to the Baltimore game in the 3rd series, the offense seemed much more energized and upbeat. You could tell the difference.I do think the fact that Beck played last night while Grossman didn't is being way overblown. As others have stated, Beck missed the first preseason game with injury, so it made since for him to get more PT in the 4th game. Beck is still going to be the starter, imo.

Beck's first three throws were probably better than anything I've seen from Grossman, but as the game wore on he made some really rough decisions. It's possible he would have fared better with more of the starting skill guys out there. I may have been too quick to make that conclusion last night but for some reason my gut says they're going to protect Beck longer.

I guess I see it just the opposite way. The team already knows what they have with Grossman. He is what he is. While Beck is very inexperienced, he's not a rookie or 2nd year player. This is his 5th year in the league. He's almost 30. This isn't a young guy who needs to be protected. The coaching staff thinks he's the most talented qb on the team. It's time for them to find out if Beck is the answer, so I think they'll roll with him. If he flames out, then they can always go back to Grossman and still be competitive this year, and then look for a new qb in the offseason.

 

[Couch Potato]

Washington fans on their message board are are saying, with confidence, that Grossman has won the starting job & will be the Redskins starting QB week 1.

And the fans make the decisions, right? Or the media, they make the decisions? I said it way upthread, it doesn't matter what happens in these practice games, Beck will start. Period. That's what Shanahan wants, and I really don't think he gives a rat's patutie what the fans or the media are saying.

 

[Sidewinder16]

The team already knows what they have with Grossman. He is what he is.

I think the biggest thought to take away from that Jason Reid piece (which should be pointed out, is a newspaper column written by a newspaper columnist) is this:

Also, this is Grossman’s third season in the offense Shanahan designed. Beck is only in his second. Grossman failed to take a clear lead despite having more time in the scheme and the league overall.

I'm pretty sure both Shanahan's have publicly said they would be comfortable with either guy running the offense. If true, Beck should be at least equal to Grossman, but with the potential for more. I'm not sure there is any good reason (especially given where this team is and where it needs to go) not to go ahead and see if that potential can be realized.If I had to guess now, I would say Beck will start in week 1. But it wouldn't surprise me (or, as a 'Skins fan, bother me) at all if Grossman ends up getting the call.