REX GROSSMAN (1 Viewer)

[Fantasy Fix Fred]

They really miss Jones. Benson is not helping out in the running game which this teams needs to have Grossman succeed. Clearly he can't carry the team by himself, but not many QBs can.

Not too may RBs can succeed when defenses have no respect for the passing game. Teams are shutting down the run against the bears b/c of grossman not so much Benson. I agree Benson is no Stud but put anyone efficient behind center and the bears offense will at least be more balanced. The bears passing game is beyond anemic and i do agree with the poster the bears are in for a long season.

 

[Fantasy Fix Fred]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Man, do they miss Thomas Jones.

Thomas Jones? They need a QB not another Avg RB on their team. Go back to the Benson blows thread, were bashing grossman in this thread ! !

 

[BigSteelThrill]

There is no way in hell that Grossman is more accurate then Griese. None.

Grossman may have lots of skill sets that are better then Griese but accuracy is not one of them

And I'm not just talking about stats - Im talking about the actual balls being thrown and the game being played. You know... football.

 

[Christo]

I think the real problem may be that he IS better than Griese and Orten.

As pathetic as that sounds, I think it is true. Chicago Bears fans, you're in for a loooonnnng season.

I don't think so. Griese was never as bad as Rex has been.

 

[Christo]

I think Lovie may start Rex against the Lions on Sunday. After seeing what the Eagles did against the Lions defense (or lack thereof), Chicago may want to boost Grossman's confidence.

That would be dumb as hell. Why not give Griese an easy pass D to start his Bears career?

 

[Christo]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

Only after they had spent most of the game protecting the short field on turnover after turnover after turnover . . .

 

[PsychoMan]

I think Lovie may start Rex against the Lions on Sunday. After seeing what the Eagles did against the Lions defense (or lack thereof), Chicago may want to boost Grossman's confidence.

That would be dumb as hell. Why not give Griese an easy pass D to start his Bears career?

 

[perry147]

I think the real problem may be that he IS better than Griese and Orten.

As pathetic as that sounds, I think it is true. Chicago Bears fans, you're in for a loooonnnng season.

I don't think so. Griese was never as bad as Rex has been.

That is debatable. Denver, Miami, and Tampa Bay all gave up and released him. Remember these were teams that needed a QB and had no superstar QB on the roster. In other words he was beat out three different times but average (even below average QBs).

 

[Trap Play]

I don't think so. Griese was never as bad as Rex has been.

Grossman has higher highs and lower lows to be sure. Still, I don't think there's much, if any, upside with Griese, and the Bears don't have the offensive playmakers necessary to make an average QB better than he is.

 

[sholditch]

Am I the only one who thinks that Orton would be a better choice than either one? I mean, you've got Grossman who is just beyond repair, Greise, who is washed up, and Orton, who proved to be a reliable game manager if not a big offensive threat when thrown into action his rookie year. He can throw a decent deep ball...why not give the kid a chance?

 

[PsychoMan]

Am I the only one who thinks that Orton would be a better choice than either one? I mean, you've got Grossman who is just beyond repair, Greise, who is washed up, and Orton, who proved to be a reliable game manager if not a big offensive threat when thrown into action his rookie year. He can throw a decent deep ball...why not give the kid a chance?

I'm torn on the Griese/Orton thing, but one thing is for sure. I have officially given up on not-so-sexy Rexy.:long-time-rex-grossman-hopeful-supporter:

 

[Koya]

First, Rex is pretty damn terrible - but there were a couple HUGE drops out there - and the lack of a REAL running THREAT does not help things. Berrian looks ok at best. The offense seems to have zero playmakers at this point... don't see how Griese will be that much better.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

I disagree with this to an extent, but the comparison to the Super Bowl is spot on. In both games, the Bears were in it for much of the game, and then Rex starts turning the ball over quickly and frequently. The defense is good, but when they are constantly on the field and can't get a rest, they tire out and get shredded in the end. If Rex could have put drives together in either game, the Bears would have fared a lot better. You can't put either on the D, when they are on the field for 3/4 of the game.

 

[Avery]

Am I the only one who thinks that Orton would be a better choice than either one? I mean, you've got Grossman who is just beyond repair, Greise, who is washed up, and Orton, who proved to be a reliable game manager if not a big offensive threat when thrown into action his rookie year. He can throw a decent deep ball...why not give the kid a chance?

I'm torn on the Griese/Orton thing, but one thing is for sure. I have officially given up on not-so-sexy Rexy.:long-time-rex-grossman-hopeful-supporter:

Speaking of "not-so-sexy", I really miss Orton's neckbeard.

 

[flapgreen]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

WHAT???? The defense?????The hatred for Grossman is purely because he sucks balls. Nothing else.As for the defense, I don't know ANY Bears fans who think this defense is near the 85 Bears. Where is this coming from? Are you seriously criticizing the defense though????? How do you think they made it to the SB last year? Offense? In the SB, they forced 3 turnovers and allowed 29 points, all while the offense gave up the ball 5 times(3 of which were from Grossman). And this was against the best offense in the league over the past few years. NO ONE can turn the ball over that many times against the Colts and stand a chance. How does that translate to being the defense's fault? As for last night, the defense was crushing the Cowboys until the 2nd half when they finally started getting tired because the offense couldn't stay on the field. There is zero problem with our defense. It's one of the best in the league, year in and year out. We showed that last year and are showing it again this year. All the blame falls on the offense.

 

[Symbius]

I see a lot of posts saying how they miss Jones.

I don't see Benson as the problem. The defense is playing the run bigtime and daring Grossman to beat them, which obviously can't happen.

I see an Offensive Line that couldn't block Northwestern.

I see an old reciever (Muhammed) that is so damn slow he can't run an open route to save his life.

I see another speedy young receiver that couldn't catch a freakin cold. Stone Hands Berrian.

I see a quarterback that looks lost and would trip over a crack on the sidewalk.

At this point, go with Greise. If he doesn't turn things around immediately, you go with Orton the rest of the way and see if he can develop.

If he can't, you do whatever it takes to bring in someone new for 2008.

That's the only options left for Chicago. Lovie Smith is on the verge of losing all fan support and more importantly his team if he continues to let Grossman flounder out there.

 

[PsychoMan]

I see a lot of posts saying how they miss Jones.I don't see Benson as the problem. The defense is playing the run bigtime and daring Grossman to beat them, which obviously can't happen.I see an Offensive Line that couldn't block Northwestern. I see an old reciever (Muhammed) that is so damn slow he can't run an open route to save his life.I see another speedy young receiver that couldn't catch a freakin cold. Stone Hands Berrian.I see a quarterback that looks lost and would trip over a crack on the sidewalk.At this point, go with Greise. If he doesn't turn things around immediately, you go with Orton the rest of the way and see if he can develop. If he can't, you do whatever it takes to bring in someone new for 2008.That's the only options left for Chicago. Lovie Smith is on the verge of losing all fan support and more importantly his team if he continues to let Grossman flounder out there.

I believe that all the negative things you are mentioning are in one way or another a result of the absolutely ####ty QB play by Rex Grossman. If nothing else, it's becoming a mental barrier for the entire team. There's no way they have any hope left for this guy even though they say they do to the media.

 

[flapgreen]

I see a lot of posts saying how they miss Jones.

I don't see Benson as the problem. The defense is playing the run bigtime and daring Grossman to beat them, which obviously can't happen.

I don't see Benson as the problem just one of the many offensive problems. It's obvious we're missing Jones but our problems go much further than that.

 

[Nookular Power]

Am I the only one who thinks that Orton would be a better choice than either one? I mean, you've got Grossman who is just beyond repair, Greise, who is washed up, and Orton, who proved to be a reliable game manager if not a big offensive threat when thrown into action his rookie year. He can throw a decent deep ball...why not give the kid a chance?

I'm torn on the Griese/Orton thing, but one thing is for sure. I have officially given up on not-so-sexy Rexy.:long-time-rex-grossman-hopeful-supporter:

With you here -- just see my projections in the Grossman spotlight thread. Here's what I would like to see happen (outside of getting McNabb, which I don't see as in any way realistic): Griese gets the nod this year. The Bears are too close...too good everywhere else...to hand the reigns over to another question mark. As has been pointed out again and again, Griese ain't flashy, but you know what you're getting. He could be our Dilfer -- just manage a few scoring drives, and keep the D off the field long enough to get a rest. Then next year, draft a QB in the first round, let Griese and Orton go at it for top dog in training camp, while letting Orton and the pick go at it for "long term answer".

 

[PsychoMan]

You ever play a pickup game of volleyball with a random assortment of individuals with varying skill levels? Well let's just say you're a pretty good volleyball player, but the rest of your team just sucks. You get frustrated when the other team serves 10 straight points and none of them come to you. When one finally does, you're no longer mentally prepared and the serve comes to you as a surprise. You EFF it up and the next guy says to you "it's ok, we're all playing really badly right now" and just laughs it off. This pisses you off even more. That's what it's like playing with Rex Grossman as your starting QB. When he finally does something right (like finding Berrian open and throws him a pretty good pass), Bernard isn't prepared like he should be and just EFFs it up. Sure, he should have caught the ball, but I completely believe that Rex's consistently terrible play is destroying the entire offense and causing everyone else to play at a lower level.

 

[twitch]

I loved Lovie's 'comments', or rather the ones he didnt quite make. he says, "Rex is still our QB. We don't make decisions based on......", and he sort of went in another direction, and started talking about how they need to look at film, blah, blah, blah. What he was obviously going to say is that they dont make decisions based on ONE bad game, and he thought about how that was going to sound, and realized it wasnt just ONE bad game. Its been SEVERAL...CONSECUTIVELY. If you get a chance to listen to the post game PC do it so you can hear that comment. Because certainly it wouldnt be right to base a benching on ONE bad game. But game after game after game??? Time to make a move. Hopefully he looks at that film long and hard, and comes away with more than just the running game not clicking or a couple of drops here or there hurting Rex. Hopefully, the light will finally come on and he'll realize his starting QB is a scrub.

 

[dornado]

As a Bears fan I'd rather check back in with Orton and see what he's learned since his 10 wins in '05.

Griese does not give me much hope... I wouldn't be heartbroken if they stayed with Grossman, but he just isn't progressing.

 

[Koya]

You ever play a pickup game of volleyball with a random assortment of individuals with varying skill levels? Well let's just say you're a pretty good volleyball player, but the rest of your team just sucks. You get frustrated when the other team serves 10 straight points and none of them come to you. When one finally does, you're no longer mentally prepared and the serve comes to you as a surprise. You EFF it up and the next guy says to you "it's ok, we're all playing really badly right now" and just laughs it off. This pisses you off even more. That's what it's like playing with Rex Grossman as your starting QB. When he finally does something right (like finding Berrian open and throws him a pretty good pass), Bernard isn't prepared like he should be and just EFFs it up. Sure, he should have caught the ball, but I completely believe that Rex's consistently terrible play is destroying the entire offense and causing everyone else to play at a lower level.

Nice apologist for Berrian. Berrian should catch balls that are placed right into his hands. If he can't concentrate ala "PICK UP volley ball" guy, maybe he should play in PICK UP football games.Not NFL ones. Perhaps if Berrian had his head in the game Grossman could have built upon what looked like some solid rythmn in the first half's passing game. It goes both ways.

 

[dickey moe]

I think the real problem may be that he IS better than Griese and Orten.

As pathetic as that sounds, I think it is true. Chicago Bears fans, you're in for a loooonnnng season.

I don't think so. Griese was never as bad as Rex has been.

Griese has never received his due because he was Elway's successor. He's a serviceable QB -- he won't shoot the lights out but neither will he single-handedly lose games.

 

[PsychoMan]

You ever play a pickup game of volleyball with a random assortment of individuals with varying skill levels? Well let's just say you're a pretty good volleyball player, but the rest of your team just sucks. You get frustrated when the other team serves 10 straight points and none of them come to you. When one finally does, you're no longer mentally prepared and the serve comes to you as a surprise. You EFF it up and the next guy says to you "it's ok, we're all playing really badly right now" and just laughs it off. This pisses you off even more. That's what it's like playing with Rex Grossman as your starting QB. When he finally does something right (like finding Berrian open and throws him a pretty good pass), Bernard isn't prepared like he should be and just EFFs it up. Sure, he should have caught the ball, but I completely believe that Rex's consistently terrible play is destroying the entire offense and causing everyone else to play at a lower level.

Nice apologist for Berrian. Berrian should catch balls that are placed right into his hands. If he can't concentrate ala "PICK UP volley ball" guy, maybe he should play in PICK UP football games.Not NFL ones. Perhaps if Berrian had his head in the game Grossman could have built upon what looked like some solid rythmn in the first half's passing game. It goes both ways.

As far as I know, Berrian isn't known for dropping a lot of footballs. In fact, he's been viewed as a possible up and coming star with some very good WR play on a poor offense and poor QB. Grossman has consistently played poorly. I'm saying that this takes a toll on the rest of the team. Did I say it makes it ok that Berrian dropped a couple passes? No, but that's besides the point.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The Bears look a lot like the Vikings right now. Seriously.

 

[phay]

What about Berrian and Davie's key drops

 

[mlball77]

The Bears look a lot like the Vikings right now. Seriously.

Probably not a bad comparison at this early stage of the season. But I think the Vikes have a more effective running game at least.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

Only after they had spent most of the game protecting the short field on turnover after turnover after turnover . . .

I don't think Barber went 15-101-1 because of turnovers and a short field.The bears defense is a pale shadow of it's former self.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

Only after they had spent most of the game protecting the short field on turnover after turnover after turnover . . .

I don't think Barber went 15-101-1 because of turnovers and a short field.The bears defense is a pale shadow of it's former self.

Disagree. If they hadn't been on the field for 3/4 of the game, it wouldn't have happened. Shut them down on the run until Grossman decided to throw to the Cowboys every play.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

WHAT???? The defense?????The hatred for Grossman is purely because he sucks balls. Nothing else.As for the defense, I don't know ANY Bears fans who think this defense is near the 85 Bears. Where is this coming from? Are you seriously criticizing the defense though????? How do you think they made it to the SB last year? Offense? In the SB, they forced 3 turnovers and allowed 29 points, all while the offense gave up the ball 5 times(3 of which were from Grossman). And this was against the best offense in the league over the past few years. NO ONE can turn the ball over that many times against the Colts and stand a chance. How does that translate to being the defense's fault? As for last night, the defense was crushing the Cowboys until the 2nd half when they finally started getting tired because the offense couldn't stay on the field. There is zero problem with our defense. It's one of the best in the league, year in and year out. We showed that last year and are showing it again this year. All the blame falls on the offense.

They've lost Brown, Dvoracek, Briggs, Vasher and Harris. How many defenses can lose players of that caliber and still dominate? And by the way the defense was tremendous against San Diego & KC and early in the Dallas game until injuries, bad field position and sheer time on the field took its toll.Adam Archuleta can't cover anyone and needs to learn tackling fundamentals.Grossman sucks. Lovie is going to lose all credibility soon if he doesn't bench him.The entire offense is in shambles. The OL sucks. They don't miss Thomas Jones, what has he done since he left? He ran for 100 yards yesterday, whoopee Benson did that last week. The WRs don't get open aside from Berrian. The QB sucks. Have I missed anything?

 

[RexGrossman Fan]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

Only after they had spent most of the game protecting the short field on turnover after turnover after turnover . . .

I don't think Barber went 15-101-1 because of turnovers and a short field.The bears defense is a pale shadow of it's former self.

Ok guy. This is exactly right. It's not my fault.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

Their shutting down of the Chargers suddenly doesn't look so hot given what we know about SD right now.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

Only after they had spent most of the game protecting the short field on turnover after turnover after turnover . . .

I don't think Barber went 15-101-1 because of turnovers and a short field.The bears defense is a pale shadow of it's former self.

Disagree. If they hadn't been on the field for 3/4 of the game, it wouldn't have happened. Shut them down on the run until Grossman decided to throw to the Cowboys every play.

time of possession was more like 60/40 last nightGrossman certainly had a bad game, but what killed the Bears was the defense's inability to get off the field when they needed to. The Cowboys had two clock-eating 90 yard drives in the 3rd quarter and another in the 4th - all three resulting in touchdowns. It could have been much worse if Crayton hadn't dropped that easy touchdown in the first half. The dagger last night was when the Cowboys ran Barber on eight straight plays to go the length of the field and score to ice the game.

 

[sholditch]

I loved Lovie's 'comments', or rather the ones he didnt quite make. he says, "Rex is still our QB. We don't make decisions based on......", and he sort of went in another direction, and started talking about how they need to look at film, blah, blah, blah. What he was obviously going to say is that they dont make decisions based on ONE bad game, and he thought about how that was going to sound, and realized it wasnt just ONE bad game. Its been SEVERAL...CONSECUTIVELY. If you get a chance to listen to the post game PC do it so you can hear that comment. Because certainly it wouldnt be right to base a benching on ONE bad game. But game after game after game??? Time to make a move. Hopefully he looks at that film long and hard, and comes away with more than just the running game not clicking or a couple of drops here or there hurting Rex. Hopefully, the light will finally come on and he'll realize his starting QB is a scrub.

This has been five bad years, three of which Grossman gets a pass on because he managed to injure himself before he got a chance to show how bad he sucks. The only question is how bad things are allowed to get before they acknowledge the glaring reality that he been staring them in the face for years. Grossman has never been even a passable NFL QB and never will be. We should have signed Lefty when we had a chance. Now we're screwed for the whole year. The best FA QB out there is Vinny Testeverde. Or Plummer if he comes out of retirement.

 

[GoinDeep]

time of possession was more like 60/40 last night

Grossman certainly had a bad game, but what killed the Bears was the defense's inability to get off the field when they needed to. The Cowboys had two clock-eating 90 yard drives in the 3rd quarter and another in the 4th - all three resulting in touchdowns. It could have been much worse if Crayton hadn't dropped that easy touchdown in the first half. The dagger last night was when the Cowboys ran Barber on eight straight plays to go the length of the field and score to ice the game.

FINALLY...credit is given where credit is due! I keep seeing dropped pass, poor rushing game, defense worn out, etc.

Crayton drops an UNDERHAND throw, the Bears shut down J. Jones and the running game of Dallas the first half, sure the defense got worn down....BECAUSE THE COWBOYS adjusted at the half and showed a blueprint for slashing the defense.

Oh yeah....and its not just Archuleta that has a hard time arm tackling MBIII.

 

[GoinDeep]

Sorry....but I failed to add yes, it is QB play...plain and simple. It just suckes that the Bears are going to waste some of the best years of NFC mediocrity and a stellar defense on this Jackace at QB.

 

[MiniBears]

Grossman has been bad, but I think there are deeper issues with that offense.

Denial is a big part of the Grossman hatred amoung Bear fans. One thing very few Bear fans as well as many in the media are unwilling to admit is that this vaunted Bears defense is a far cry from the '85 Bears team. The superbowl loss to the Colts is certainly on the defense (more than on Grossman anyway) and they were shredded on the ground and in the air last night by the Cowboys.

What? Since when do Bears fans compare the 2007 Bears to the 85 Bears? Last time I checked, the 85 Bears were still the biggest thing to happen in Chicago sports, ahead of all six Bulls championships and the White Sox in 05. How's the weather in Green Bay?

 

[atcdav]

Bears offense sucks. It has always sucked. Nothing new here. Defense cant win all of the games. Especially when they are hurt and beat up from being on the field tooooooooooooooooo long

McNabb to the Bears next year

 

[ExtraPoint]

Grossman has a stronger arm but Griese is a much better passer than Grossman. Griese makes good decisions and is accurate. Neither is good under pressure. Grossman might have better leadership skills but they dont matter if he cant make the right decisions. Its taken too long to make this decision. The more Grossman is forced to play, the more pressure that's put on him that he cant handle. Grossman would have grown out of these mistakes by now if he was good enough. He has always thrown the ball carelessly and likely always will. Griese does not. Chicago doesnt need a rocket launcher. It needs an intelligent leader. Griese at least has the intellect while leadership often comes with age. Its past time to make this change.

Grossman = Andrew Walter. Walter will likely be released or traded shortly. The Bears could save money by dumping Grossman and signing Walter if they really feel the need to have a rocket launcher on the team. If they want to compete for a championship, start Griese.