Rice cut by Ravens (1 Viewer)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

dude just lost 3.5m this year --- wonder if they come after him for some of that bonus money back.

how are the ravens making this work with their cap??

I'll be looking fwd to the overthecap article on this.

http://overthecap.com/player/ray-rice/1396

looks like a 6 mill cap hit this year.

yeah, and I don't think tehy have much space.

 

[fourd]

The Ravens are a joke. They knew what he did--seeing the video or not. Now their just saving face.

Don't get me wrong--he should be cut, but it shouldn't have been dependent on the first part of the video.

NFL is the joke here imo. Ravens released him, now the NFL dog piles on the rabbit and suspends him indefinitely.

I agree.

Total joke. Players salaries become guaranteed for the season if they are on the roster week 1. It's no surprise the video wasn't leaked until after week 1, now the ######## gets paid and the NFL looks like they are being tough on domestic violence. Win/Win for both parties.

Not sure if he's counted on the roster while being suspended as he wasn't getting paid.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

dude just lost 3.5m this year --- wonder if they come after him for some of that bonus money back.

how are the ravens making this work with their cap??

I'll be looking fwd to the overthecap article on this.

$9.5M of dead money for Rice on the Ravens payroll for 2015

 

[msommer]

The Ravens are a joke. They knew what he did--seeing the video or not. Now their just saving face.

Don't get me wrong--he should be cut, but it shouldn't have been dependent on the first part of the video.

NFL is the joke here imo. Ravens released him, now the NFL dog piles on the rabbit and suspends him indefinitely.

I agree.

Total joke. Players salaries become guaranteed for the season if they are on the roster week 1. It's no surprise the video wasn't leaked until after week 1, now the ######## gets paid and the NFL looks like they are being tough on domestic violence. Win/Win for both parties.

Not sure if he's counted on the roster while being suspended as he wasn't getting paid.

Pretty sure they don't

 

[massraider]

Front-loaded Rice contract blows up on RavensPosted by Mike Florio on September 8, 2014, 3:31 PM EDT

Getty ImagesThe Ravens did what most will describe as the right thing by cutting running back Ray Riceafter video emerged of the punch applied by Rice to his wife, Janay.

In hindsight, the Ravens arguably did the wrong thing by giving Rice a grossly front-loaded contract in July 2012.

In that month, the Ravens paid Rice $15 million to sign, along with a 2012 base salary of $2 million. He then received a $7 million option bonus last March, along with a $1 million 2013 base salary.

That’s a total of $25 million for only two years of football.

The Ravens won’t owe Rice anything for 2014, since he wasn’t active for Week One. But they’ll absorb a $4.75 million cap charge this year and $9.5 million in 2015 for the combined signing bonus and roster bonus.

Rice immediately becomes a free agent. But that won’t matter until he’s reinstated by the NFL. Which may not happen this year.

9.5 in dead money, just because of this ione player. That's pretty devastating.

 

[Concept Coop]

Too far? In a just world, Rice is spending the season in prison, not on his couch.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

dude just lost 3.5m this year --- wonder if they come after him for some of that bonus money back.

how are the ravens making this work with their cap??

I'll be looking fwd to the overthecap article on this.

$9.5M of dead money for Rice on the Ravens payroll for 2015

that's a little questionable, as they possibly chase him down for a prorated portion of his signing bonus, and get credited on cap.

but even if all that happens I don't know if it would be a 2015 or '16 credit.

 

[renesauz]

Absurd

Really?

Yes. He rightfully deserves punishment. Making him a pariah and taking away his job, along with literally millions of dollars, is not in line with the offense.

It's a public relations league. He's one of the faces of a franchise. If I were in the news in a video knocking out my wife, I'd be fired by my job in about ten seconds, and I'm not the face of the law firm.

True, but you'd find a similar job with similar income and benefits before too long. If it took you two years to get back to your prestige/income, that would represent only a small fraction of your lifetime earning potential.

An NFL RB has no other "similar job" to turn to, and has only a few short years to his career to begin with. Two years represents up to 30% of his LIFETIME EARNINGS ....and that's assuming he can come back in two years to a paycheck similar to what he would have had if this hadn't happened.

Domestic assault is an ugly thing that needs to be taken seriously, but taking away 30-50% of a man's lifetime earnings is harsh for an offense that in the end is a simple assault. Far too harsh IMHO.

 

[tjnc09]

And "Ray Rice from Rutgers running for the Ravens!" is no more.

Are they going to change their daughter's name from "Rayven" to "Ray" now?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The Ravens are a joke. They knew what he did--seeing the video or not. Now their just saving face.

Don't get me wrong--he should be cut, but it shouldn't have been dependent on the first part of the video.

NFL is the joke here imo. Ravens released him, now the NFL dog piles on the rabbit and suspends him indefinitely.

I agree.

Total joke. Players salaries become guaranteed for the season if they are on the roster week 1. It's no surprise the video wasn't leaked until after week 1, now the ######## gets paid and the NFL looks like they are being tough on domestic violence. Win/Win for both parties.

Not sure if he's counted on the roster while being suspended as he wasn't getting paid.

Pretty sure they don't

they don't --- which is why bryant's e-mail about welker going on pup to create a spot for a 2nd kicker was so hilarious.

or, one of the reasons,anyway.

 

[massraider]

NFL is the joke here imo. Ravens released him, now the NFL dog piles on the rabbit and suspends him indefinitely.

Just wanted to add that I get this reference, and that Bugs Bunny is the man.

 

[fatness]

Domestic assault is an ugly thing that needs to be taken seriously, but

I stopped there.

 

[Henry Ford]

Absurd

Really?

Yes. He rightfully deserves punishment. Making him a pariah and taking away his job, along with literally millions of dollars, is not in line with the offense.

It's a public relations league. He's one of the faces of a franchise. If I were in the news in a video knocking out my wife, I'd be fired by my job in about ten seconds, and I'm not the face of the law firm.

True, but you'd find a similar job with similar income and benefits before too long. If it took you two years to get back to your prestige/income, that would represent only a small fraction of your lifetime earning potential.

An NFL RB has no other "similar job" to turn to, and has only a few short years to his career to begin with. Two years represents up to 30% of his LIFETIME EARNINGS ....and that's assuming he can come back in two years to a paycheck similar to what he would have had if this hadn't happened.

Domestic assault is an ugly thing that needs to be taken seriously, but taking away 30-50% of a man's lifetime earnings is harsh for an offense that in the end is a simple assault. Far too harsh IMHO.

So we should punish people less if they make huge amounts of money for a short period of time?

 

[petenice15]

I have no idea how anyone can be upset he's losing his job or income. If any of us working class people did the same thing, we would all be in jail. Plus I know for a fact I would lose my job and have an impossible time finding another one in my field. He made his own bed.

 

[msommer]

Absurd

Really?

Yes. He rightfully deserves punishment. Making him a pariah and taking away his job, along with literally millions of dollars, is not in line with the offense.

It's a public relations league. He's one of the faces of a franchise. If I were in the news in a video knocking out my wife, I'd be fired by my job in about ten seconds, and I'm not the face of the law firm.

True, but you'd find a similar job with similar income and benefits before too long. If it took you two years to get back to your prestige/income, that would represent only a small fraction of your lifetime earning potential.

An NFL RB has no other "similar job" to turn to, and has only a few short years to his career to begin with. Two years represents up to 30% of his LIFETIME EARNINGS ....and that's assuming he can come back in two years to a paycheck similar to what he would have had if this hadn't happened.

Domestic assault is an ugly thing that needs to be taken seriously, but taking away 30-50% of a man's lifetime earnings is harsh for an offense that in the end is a simple assault. Far too harsh IMHO.

So we should punish people less if they make huge amounts of money for a short period of time?

Do regular people get fired if they punch their fiancee in drunkenness in Atlantic City and gets no jail time?

I ask because I do not know, not because I think anything of Ray Rice's situation.

As a matter of fact, the moment you take endorsement money and become a public figure from anyone you punching days are likely over. Unless you are Chris Brown, obviously.

 

[Henry Ford]

Absurd

Really?

Yes. He rightfully deserves punishment. Making him a pariah and taking away his job, along with literally millions of dollars, is not in line with the offense.

It's a public relations league. He's one of the faces of a franchise. If I were in the news in a video knocking out my wife, I'd be fired by my job in about ten seconds, and I'm not the face of the law firm.

True, but you'd find a similar job with similar income and benefits before too long. If it took you two years to get back to your prestige/income, that would represent only a small fraction of your lifetime earning potential.

An NFL RB has no other "similar job" to turn to, and has only a few short years to his career to begin with. Two years represents up to 30% of his LIFETIME EARNINGS ....and that's assuming he can come back in two years to a paycheck similar to what he would have had if this hadn't happened.

Domestic assault is an ugly thing that needs to be taken seriously, but taking away 30-50% of a man's lifetime earnings is harsh for an offense that in the end is a simple assault. Far too harsh IMHO.

So we should punish people less if they make huge amounts of money for a short period of time?

Do regular people get fired if they punch their fiancee in drunkenness in Atlantic City and gets no jail time?

I ask because I do not know, not because I think anything of Ray Rice's situation.

As a matter of fact, the moment you take endorsement money and become a public figure from anyone you punching days are likely over. Unless you are Chris Brown, obviously.

Often depends on if their employers find out.

 

[Freelove]

Absurd

Really?

Yes. He rightfully deserves punishment. Making him a pariah and taking away his job, along with literally millions of dollars, is not in line with the offense.

It's a public relations league. He's one of the faces of a franchise. If I were in the news in a video knocking out my wife, I'd be fired by my job in about ten seconds, and I'm not the face of the law firm.

True, but you'd find a similar job with similar income and benefits before too long. If it took you two years to get back to your prestige/income, that would represent only a small fraction of your lifetime earning potential.

An NFL RB has no other "similar job" to turn to, and has only a few short years to his career to begin with. Two years represents up to 30% of his LIFETIME EARNINGS ....and that's assuming he can come back in two years to a paycheck similar to what he would have had if this hadn't happened.

Domestic assault is an ugly thing that needs to be taken seriously, but taking away 30-50% of a man's lifetime earnings is harsh for an offense that in the end is a simple assault. Far too harsh IMHO.

He has lost some huge percent of his lifetime professional running back earning potential, but like any other pariah, he's more than welcome to peddle his wares for a working man's wage. Plenty of warehouses and construction sites out there that would happily take a strong, healthy 30 year old without giving a second thought to the PR hit. He hasn't lost anything remotely like 30-50% of his lifetime earning timeline. He's just put himself in a position where those earnings probably can't come in a PR intensive industry.

 

[massraider]

This isn't some punishment, some law that is unfair. This is a league with 32 members, and they believe that the players are ambassadors for that league.

Rice is free to do whatever he wants now, and was paid 25 mill the last two years in a front loaded contract and was 'only' due to make 3.5 mill this year. The Ravens are free to cut any player at any time, as long as they are willing to swallow the cap ramifications.

 

[msommer]

So we should punish people less if they make huge amounts of money for a short period of time?

Do regular people get fired if they punch their fiancee in drunkenness in Atlantic City and gets no jail time?

I ask because I do not know, not because I think anything of Ray Rice's situation.

As a matter of fact, the moment you take endorsement money and become a public figure from anyone you punching days are likely over. Unless you are Chris Brown, obviously.

Often depends on if their employers find out.

That's ok then, I guess.

So we might actually already be punishing him harder because he is a celebrity. He's to be held to a higher standard.

Doubt there's many 'see random joe deck a woman' videos out on you tube.

Then again, there might be, I'm not going to look.

 

[thriftyrocker]

He has lost some huge percent of his lifetime professional running back earning potential, but like any other pariah, he's more than welcome to peddle his wares for a working man's wage. Plenty of warehouses and construction sites out there that would happily take a strong, healthy 30 year old without giving a second thought to the PR hit. He hasn't lost anything remotely like 30-50% of his lifetime earning timeline. He's just put himself in a position where those earnings probably can't come in a PR intensive industry.

The Dexter finale comes to mind.

 

[massraider]

That's ok then, I guess.


So we might actually already be punishing him harder because he is a celebrity. He's to be held to a higher standard.

Doubt there's many 'see random joe deck a woman' videos out on you tube.

Then again, there might be, I'm not going to look.

If the people that employ that celebrity think the bad PR is bad for business, that's part of the deal.

If people don't want to make movies with Mel Gibson because of his comments, that costs him millions of dollars too, perhaps.

 

[HellToupee]

So how did the NFL now suspend Rice indefinitely but Ray McDonald is facing 6 as a 1 st timer. I understand the investigation is pending but

 

[ROCKET]

Too bad there is no video of Suggs throwing bleach on his wife and their baby. That guy is a bigger pos than Rice IMO.

 

[massraider]

Jim Harbaugh stammering and stuttering at the mic in that SF presser was hilarious.

 

[msommer]

That's ok then, I guess.


So we might actually already be punishing him harder because he is a celebrity. He's to be held to a higher standard.

Doubt there's many 'see random joe deck a woman' videos out on you tube.

Then again, there might be, I'm not going to look.

If the people that employ that celebrity think the bad PR is bad for business, that's part of the deal.

If people don't want to make movies with Mel Gibson because of his comments, that costs him millions of dollars too, perhaps.

Wasn't that what I was saying?

Thanks for paraphrasing. :whoosh:

 

[Freelove]

So we should punish people less if they make huge amounts of money for a short period of time?

Do regular people get fired if they punch their fiancee in drunkenness in Atlantic City and gets no jail time?

I ask because I do not know, not because I think anything of Ray Rice's situation.

As a matter of fact, the moment you take endorsement money and become a public figure from anyone you punching days are likely over. Unless you are Chris Brown, obviously.

Often depends on if their employers find out.

That's ok then, I guess.

So we might actually already be punishing him harder because he is a celebrity. He's to be held to a higher standard.

Doubt there's many 'see random joe deck a woman' videos out on you tube.

Then again, there might be, I'm not going to look.

We're not "punishing him harder." He was simply in a field where he had a lot more to lose if he put himself in a position where the public hated and rejected him. That's his fault, not ours. Part of being a "celebrity" is realizing that inherent in that is the idea that the public has to buy into you in some form. Frankly, he was in a public position where losing the public's support is notoriously hard to do. They've kept supporting all kinds of thugs, killers, and butt holes through lots of nasty things.

In the last few years, we've seen a few examples of how far the public can be pushed before the outcry becomes unpalatable to your employers. You can't rape children in showers. You can't punch women on film. I imagine if you're caught re-enacting Human Centipede in your basement, that would do it, too, but nobody's been caught at that one...yet. (I'm looking your way, Peyton Manning.)

 

[Henry Ford]

That's ok then, I guess.


So we might actually already be punishing him harder because he is a celebrity. He's to be held to a higher standard.

Doubt there's many 'see random joe deck a woman' videos out on you tube.

Then again, there might be, I'm not going to look.

Well, to the extent that he's the public face of a billion dollar business, maybe. By the same token, most businesses would fire someone for this if they found out about it and there was any media backlash. There was a CEO of a privately held company who lost his position recently for a video of him kicking a dog. He's not a celebrity.

Seems to me, it's the same standard, it's just more likely that he's going to have it applied because people are actively looking for video of him for the news. Joe sixpack doesn't have paparazzi looking for video when he does something horrible.

 

[massraider]

That's ok then, I guess.


So we might actually already be punishing him harder because he is a celebrity. He's to be held to a higher standard.

Doubt there's many 'see random joe deck a woman' videos out on you tube.

Then again, there might be, I'm not going to look.

If the people that employ that celebrity think the bad PR is bad for business, that's part of the deal.

If people don't want to make movies with Mel Gibson because of his comments, that costs him millions of dollars too, perhaps.

Wasn't that what I was saying?

Thanks for paraphrasing. :whoosh:

Definitely misunderstood you.

Not the first time that emoticon has been used to refer to me, buddy.

 

[Rockchild]

So how did the NFL now suspend Rice indefinitely but Ray McDonald is facing 6 as a 1 st timer. I understand the investigation is pending but

From what I've heard, once Rice was released he was no longer a NFLPA member so not under the CBA and they are free to do what they want in terms of a suspension.

 

[msommer]

That's ok then, I guess.


So we might actually already be punishing him harder because he is a celebrity. He's to be held to a higher standard.

Doubt there's many 'see random joe deck a woman' videos out on you tube.

Then again, there might be, I'm not going to look.

If the people that employ that celebrity think the bad PR is bad for business, that's part of the deal.

If people don't want to make movies with Mel Gibson because of his comments, that costs him millions of dollars too, perhaps.

Wasn't that what I was saying?

Thanks for paraphrasing. :whoosh:

Definitely misunderstood you.

Not the first time that emoticon has been used to refer to me, buddy.

No worries.

 

[Freelove]

Joe sixpack doesn't have paparazzi looking for video when he does something horrible.

I'm looking. #### that guy.

 

[kentric]

Killing men while drunk driving, allowed back in the league.

Punch a woman, and get banned from the NFL and should receive death.

Intentional. Non-intentional

Intentional or not a person is responsible for their actions and one action resulted in death and one resulted in marriage. I think that is where some people scratch their heads.

Intental vs non-intentional is a huge difference.

 

[Rockchild]

Does Rice ask to be reinstated after 6 games? And, if so, does the league reinstate him? (This assumes this is his first offence)

 

[kentric]

He is now suspended indefinitely by NFL. Getting what he deserves.

Too bad this wasn't the case from the beginning.

Who knows what their basis was. Pretty sure everyone agrees that 2 games was ridiculous, but we don't know what story was told to the NFL. Perhaps their argument will be that Rice lied to the NFL in his explanation of what went down and the video proves that he lied. They therefore could argue it was much worse than originally thought.

 

[sharptongued1]

He is now suspended indefinitely by NFL. Getting what he deserves.

Too bad this wasn't the case from the beginning.

Who knows what their basis was. Pretty sure everyone agrees that 2 games was ridiculous, but we don't know what story was told to the NFL. Perhaps their argument will be that Rice lied to the NFL in his explanation of what went down and the video proves that he lied. They therefore could argue it was much worse than originally thought.

How is it that TMZ can get their mitts on this footage and not the NFL?

*edit* After further thought, there were several people (Peter King, Chris Mortensen, etc.) who claim the NFL saw the raw video footage from inside the elevator prior to handing out the initial two game suspension.

 

[Jobber]

Does Rice ask to be reinstated after 6 games? And, if so, does the league reinstate him? (This assumes this is his first offence)

No way this happens. The NFL has been trying very hard to soften it's image the last few years with breast cancer awareness, etc. No way they let this guy back in. Honesly, I think his NFL career is over.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Does Rice ask to be reinstated after 6 games? And, if so, does the league reinstate him? (This assumes this is his first offence)

No way this happens. The NFL has been trying very hard to soften it's image the last few years with breast cancer awareness, etc. No way they let this guy back in. Honesly, I think his NFL career is over.

pretty sure a divorce is coming too.

 

[massraider]

He is now suspended indefinitely by NFL. Getting what he deserves.

Too bad this wasn't the case from the beginning.

Who knows what their basis was. Pretty sure everyone agrees that 2 games was ridiculous, but we don't know what story was told to the NFL. Perhaps their argument will be that Rice lied to the NFL in his explanation of what went down and the video proves that he lied. They therefore could argue it was much worse than originally thought.

How is it that TMZ can get their mitts on this footage and not the NFL?

NFL doesn't want to see the tape, not really, and TMZ will PAY to see the tape.

 

[kupcho1]

Has the NFL ever abandoned a policy quicker than this one?

I thought it was 6 games 1st offense; lifetime ban for the 2nd?

Did I miss the indefinite suspension provision???

Goodell is a moron and should be fired. Rice should have been out a year to begin with, but Goodell just keeps compounding the problem. He'd be overmatched running a car wash (no offense to anyone out there running a car wash).

 

[sharptongued1]

He is now suspended indefinitely by NFL. Getting what he deserves.

Too bad this wasn't the case from the beginning.

Who knows what their basis was. Pretty sure everyone agrees that 2 games was ridiculous, but we don't know what story was told to the NFL. Perhaps their argument will be that Rice lied to the NFL in his explanation of what went down and the video proves that he lied. They therefore could argue it was much worse than originally thought.

How is it that TMZ can get their mitts on this footage and not the NFL?

NFL doesn't want to see the tape, not really, and TMZ will PAY to see the tape.

See edit. They saw the tape, as reported by multiple sources (and accurately relaying what happened inside the elevator from aforementioned sources).

 

[jackdubl]

He is now suspended indefinitely by NFL. Getting what he deserves.

Too bad this wasn't the case from the beginning.

Who knows what their basis was. Pretty sure everyone agrees that 2 games was ridiculous, but we don't know what story was told to the NFL. Perhaps their argument will be that Rice lied to the NFL in his explanation of what went down and the video proves that he lied. They therefore could argue it was much worse than originally thought.

How is it that TMZ can get their mitts on this footage and not the NFL?*edit* After further thought, there were several people (Peter King, Chris Mortensen, etc.) who claim the NFL saw the raw video footage from inside the elevator prior to handing out the initial two game suspension.

Have to believe NFL saw this before, and now they're lying about it. It's strange that they lay down this new punishment as a reaction. Did they think nobody would ever see the tape? Because if this is the instant reaction to the tape being made public, then clearly this should have been the reaction before it went public. And I don't buy that they didn't see it, not for a sec. Who conducts and concludes an investigation, then hands down punishment, without ever viewing the available video evidence?

 

[IgglesFan]

Uh, lets be real here.

They were in a casino....in Atlantic City......does anyone relly believe that the NFL and its attorney's were so stupid that no one thought to ask "Hey guys, any camera's inside the elevator so we can really see what happened?". Everyone on the planet knows that every public inch of a casino is under video surveillance.

There is 100% no doubt in my mind everyone was aware of this video prior to be being released to the public. The Ravens and their players likely didn't know, but I would be my house the NFL did.

 

[massraider]

Uh, lets be real here.

They were in a casino....in Atlantic City......does anyone relly believe that the NFL and its attorney's were so stupid that no one thought to ask "Hey guys, any camera's inside the elevator so we can really see what happened?". Everyone on the planet knows that every public inch of a casino is under video surveillance.

There is 100% no doubt in my mind everyone was aware of this video prior to be being released to the public. The Ravens and their players likely didn't know, but I would be my house the NFL did.

Everyone saw it. They never thought it would be released, and dramatically underestimated the impact if it did.

 

[Anarchy99]

Does Rice ask to be reinstated after 6 games? And, if so, does the league reinstate him? (This assumes this is his first offence)

No way this happens. The NFL has been trying very hard to soften it's image the last few years with breast cancer awareness, etc. No way they let this guy back in. Honesly, I think his NFL career is over.

pretty sure a divorce is coming too.

She married him AFTER the incident on the video. Not so sure we can count on a pending divorce.

 

[GROOT]

Rice will play again. If A dog killer can get A second chance, then why not?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Does Rice ask to be reinstated after 6 games? And, if so, does the league reinstate him? (This assumes this is his first offence)

No way this happens. The NFL has been trying very hard to soften it's image the last few years with breast cancer awareness, etc. No way they let this guy back in. Honesly, I think his NFL career is over.

pretty sure a divorce is coming too.

She married him AFTER the incident on the video. Not so sure we can count on a pending divorce.

Well, my guess is she married him anyways because of the money. As his fiance she gets no piece of the pie, but as his wife she gets at least half. She'll probably get out while the gettin's good.

 

[Henry Ford]

Rice will play again. If A dog killer can get A second chance, then why not?

The NFL hasn't spent millions and millions of dollars trying to expand its fan base among dogs.

 

[Warhogs]

Has the NFL ever abandoned a policy quicker than this one?

I thought it was 6 games 1st offense; lifetime ban for the 2nd?

Did I miss the indefinite suspension provision???

Goodell is a moron and should be fired. Rice should have been out a year to begin with, but Goodell just keeps compounding the problem. He'd be overmatched running a car wash (no offense to anyone out there running a car wash).

I don't believe this applies. The NFL didn't change the suspension. The Ravens just decided to terminate his contract.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Rice will play again. If A dog killer can get A second chance, then why not?

The NFL hasn't spent millions and millions of dollars trying to expand its fan base among dogs.

No, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was on the horizon

 

[massraider]

Rice will play again. If A dog killer can get A second chance, then why not?

Mostly because of age.

What's the payoff with Rice? One more year of decent production? He was coming off a bad year, has terrible public perception, and is gonna be ab OLD back next year.

Why bother? Rather have a kid playing for peanuts that might turn out to be a player.