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[nerangers]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

 

[((Morpheus))]

his name will still be in the record book for td / game, right?

 

[Phlash]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

22TDs in 12 games for a WR is absurd. Randy Moss breaking the record in 16 games imo is NOT as good as Rice's 22 in 12.I was a little miffed by Rice's attitude at first ("But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it." - thats like saying all RBs who are about to hit 2K yards should only play 14 games like OJ Simpson... which is ridiculous) but I can see where he's coming from. He's just reminding us how damn good he was... which for someone who played as well as he did for as long as he did is fair enough in my book. I have no problem with people fluffing themselves up publicly if they deserve it. I'm also happy he's congratulating Randy on the great season.

 

[a_rackowski]

wow would i love to see those 12 games all over again.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Rice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moss

I'm sure some boners out there will say Moss is better because of this weak record.

 

[Christo]

Rice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moss

 

[Phlash]

You can't compare Rice to Moss. They're completely different players, both in how they approached the game and their playstyles. How about we have a thread where we don't compare them but reflect on their greatness? Because both are HoFers.

 

[Keith Lewis]

You can't compare Rice to Moss. They're completely different players, both in how they approached the game and their playstyles. How about we have a thread where we don't compare them but reflect on their greatness? Because both are HoFers.

Rice is better in every way except Moss can make catches over defenders better because he was born taller which is genetics and in no way skill.

 

[PantherPower]

funny, once you took away Montana and Young, Rice seemed pretty average.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

You can't compare Rice to Moss. They're completely different players, both in how they approached the game and their playstyles. How about we have a thread where we don't compare them but reflect on their greatness? Because both are HoFers.

what would there actually be to talk about if we couldn't compare things like this? Randy is freak'n awesome but Jerry is the end all in the WR discussion. not just some but EVERY WR calls him the greatest and he's in the discussion of possible Greatest player of alltime. he may have been greater at WR than MJ was at shooting guard(putting on flame ######ant apparel for future flaming).

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That's some pretty strong talk Keith. Not at all in keeping with your usual measured and thoughtful postings.

Rice was a technician, Moss is a physical freak. Both of them are truly great WRs and when all is said and done Rice's career after 35 will be what separates them.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Rice was much better after the catch. He was also a self made receiver. He willed himself to be great.

Moss is more naturally talented in almost everyway. Better hands (Rice developed great hands but he came into the league as a dropper), Faster and Taller.

Rice>>>>Moss.

 

[candy bar]

funny, once you took away Montana and Young, Rice seemed pretty average.

Actually, the opposite is true. You take away Montana and Young, and Rice still looked like one of the very best receivers of all time.

 

[candy bar]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

Pretty sure the 49ers played 15 games that season, Jerry. I suppose if Adrian Peterson rushes for 2106 yards next year in only 14 games, and misses due to injury, he won't complain if someone breaks that record in 16 games.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

Pretty sure the 49ers played 15 games that season, Jerry. I suppose if Adrian Peterson rushes for 2106 yards next year in only 14 games, and misses due to injury, he won't complain if someone breaks that record in 16 games.

No, they played 12.

 

[bostonfred]

Moss is more talented than Rice. Rice was more skilled than Moss. I'd rather have Rice than Moss, but I'd love to have either of them.

 

[Fantaholic]

I guess my response to Rice would be, if it was so easy to do in 16 games then why didn't you do it in the other 45 seasons you played in???

 

[cstu]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

22TDs in 12 games for a WR is absurd. Randy Moss breaking the record in 16 games imo is NOT as good as Rice's 22 in 12.I was a little miffed by Rice's attitude at first ("But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it." - thats like saying all RBs who are about to hit 2K yards should only play 14 games like OJ Simpson... which is ridiculous) but I can see where he's coming from. He's just reminding us how damn good he was... which for someone who played as well as he did for as long as he did is fair enough in my book. I have no problem with people fluffing themselves up publicly if they deserve it. I'm also happy he's congratulating Randy on the great season.

Call me when Moss get 30 and then we'll talk about the record. I'll even consider 29 but until then it's still Rice's record to me.

 

[candy bar]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

Pretty sure the 49ers played 15 games that season, Jerry. I suppose if Adrian Peterson rushes for 2106 yards next year in only 14 games, and misses due to injury, he won't complain if someone breaks that record in 16 games.

No, they played 12.

Then the 49ers 13 wins that season trumps everything the Patriots will ever do, and is more impressive than winning 16 games in a 16 game season.

 

[candy bar]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

22TDs in 12 games for a WR is absurd. Randy Moss breaking the record in 16 games imo is NOT as good as Rice's 22 in 12.I was a little miffed by Rice's attitude at first ("But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it." - thats like saying all RBs who are about to hit 2K yards should only play 14 games like OJ Simpson... which is ridiculous) but I can see where he's coming from. He's just reminding us how damn good he was... which for someone who played as well as he did for as long as he did is fair enough in my book. I have no problem with people fluffing themselves up publicly if they deserve it. I'm also happy he's congratulating Randy on the great season.

Call me when Moss get 30 and then we'll talk about the record. I'll even consider 29 but until then it's still Rice's record to me.

Receiving touchdowns per game in a season, minimum 8 games? Yes, that's Rice's record.Receiving touchdowns in a season? That will be Moss' record soon, I think.

 

[candy bar]

I guess my response to Rice would be, if it was so easy to do in 16 games then why didn't you do it in the other 45 seasons you played in???

Because he was very lucky to get 22 touchdowns that season (just like Moss will be lucky to get the 23 TDs he'll end up with), and that luck never repeated itself during Rice's prime.

 

[Fantaholic]

From a talent standpoint Jerry could possibly hold Moss' jock strap with help from Harrison.

 

[cstu]

The same goes for O.J.'s record which Dickerson beat by only 102 yards in two more games - with 57 more carries.

 

[Keith Lewis]

From a talent standpoint Jerry could possibly hold Moss' jock strap with help from Harrison.

Rice was way more talented. If you wanna say Moss was born genetically superior with size/speed, fine. I don't think Moss could hold Rices' jock if we're talking "talent". Talent = a capacity for achievement or success; I'd say Jerrys achievement/success outweighs Moss and it ain't even a discussion.

 

[flapgreen]

WAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Keith Lewis]

WAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Great Moss in Oakland intrepretation.

 

[Bill Lust]

WAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Great Moss in Oakland intrepretation.

Well played.

 

[nashua55]

22td's in 12 games is just amazing. For me comparing Randy Moss to Jerry Rice was like comparing Mario Lemieux to Wayne Gretzky. Even though Mario Lemieux was more physically gifted than Gretzky, Gretzky has all the records. Part of the reason was that Gretzky played with a better supporting cast for a longer time. I look at Moss as the Mario Lemieux of the NFL, a greater phyisical talent than Rice, but the QB's throwing to Moss didnt approach the skills of the Montana and Young that were thowing to Rice. With that said, if Moss breaks the record with say 23 or 24 td's in 16 games, it just doesnt compare to 22 td's in 12 games.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

22TDs in 12 games for a WR is absurd. Randy Moss breaking the record in 16 games imo is NOT as good as Rice's 22 in 12.I was a little miffed by Rice's attitude at first ("But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it." - thats like saying all RBs who are about to hit 2K yards should only play 14 games like OJ Simpson... which is ridiculous) but I can see where he's coming from. He's just reminding us how damn good he was... which for someone who played as well as he did for as long as he did is fair enough in my book. I have no problem with people fluffing themselves up publicly if they deserve it. I'm also happy he's congratulating Randy on the great season.

Call me when Moss get 30 and then we'll talk about the record. I'll even consider 29 but until then it's still Rice's record to me.

As a Moss fan who respects Rice, I couldn't care less if he holds this record. Not sure why Rice and his fans are bent out over this. Moss breaks this record and Rice still owns the best records. Moss breaks this and Jerry is still the GOAT. Moss breaks this and Patriots win the Super Bowl, Jerry still has more rings. Only a fool would think what has happened this season means he climbs over Jerry for anything.I do find it amusing that if the roles were reversed all the Rice fans/Moss haters would be screaming at how classless these comments were from Moss. Probably be a 5 page hate thread on Moss already.

I respect Rice but if the guy can't let go of a meaningless record without trying to cheapen the achievement then I think Jerry is being pretty petty over it.

 

[Franchise Playa]

From a talent standpoint Jerry could possibly hold Moss' jock strap with help from Harrison.

Rice was way more talented. If you wanna say Moss was born genetically superior with size/speed, fine. I don't think Moss could hold Rices' jock if we're talking "talent". Talent = a capacity for achievement or success; I'd say Jerrys achievement/success outweighs Moss and it ain't even a discussion.

So by that logic Emmitt Smith has the most "talent" of any other RB because of his capacity of achievement and success outweighs the likes of Barry, Walter, and Jim Brown? Emmitt has more superbowl wins and the rushing record = Most talented. Im sure there are other backs with more genetically superior size/speed, but they lack your definition of talent....so that makes Smith the most talented back of all time do you agree?

 

[flapgreen]

WAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Great Moss in Oakland intrepretation.

That too. But wasn't my intent.

 

[[scooter]]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

Pretty sure the 49ers played 15 games that season, Jerry. I suppose if Adrian Peterson rushes for 2106 yards next year in only 14 games, and misses due to injury, he won't complain if someone breaks that record in 16 games.

No, they played 12.

Actually, the NFL had a 15-game season that year, including 3 "strike games" in which Rice refused to cross the picket line to play with replacement players.Still, 22 TDs is the record for a 15-game season. But if Moss gets 24 TDs then he deserves the record outright.

 

[MCguidance]

funny, once you took away Montana and Young, Rice seemed pretty average.

And by that point, old.

 

[Tau837]

First off, note that Rice actually had 23 total TDs in those 12 games, because he also had a rushing TD.With regard to this:

funny, once you took away Montana and Young, Rice seemed pretty average.

Just in case this is not a joke:1986 - Rice had 86/1570/15; Montana only played 8 games, attempted only 307 passes, and threw only 8 TDs; Jeff Kemp and Mike Moroski threw the 49ers' other 273 pass attempts and 13 TDs1991 - Rice had 80/1206/14; Montana only played 11 games, attempted only 279 passes, and threw 17 TDs; Steve Bono and Bill Musgrave threw the 49ers' other 242 pass attempts and 12 TDs1996 - Rice had 108/1254/8; Young only played 12 games, attempted only 316 passes, and threw 14 TDs; Elvis Grbac and Jeff Brohm threw the 49ers' other 231 pass attempts and 9 TDsIn the cases above, not sure how to find game logs to compare his performance with the different QBs, but it seems pretty unlikely that he compiled a disproportionate amount of his statistics with Montana and Young as opposed to the other QBs.Also:2001 - Rice had 83/1139/9 at age 39; Rich Gannon was his QB2002 - Rice had 92/1211/7 at age 40; Rich Gannon was his QBSo, just because Rice was fortunate enough to play with two all time great QBs does not mean he wouldn't have been productive with other QBs.As far as Rice's comments, I wish he had just said he'd congratulate Moss. No need to feel defensive about his accomplishments.

 

[candy bar]

First off, note that Rice actually had 23 total TDs in those 12 games, because he also had a rushing TD.

With regard to this:

funny, once you took away Montana and Young, Rice seemed pretty average.

Just in case this is not a joke:1986 - Rice had 86/1570/15; Montana only played 8 games, attempted only 307 passes, and threw only 8 TDs; Jeff Kemp and Mike Moroski threw the 49ers' other 273 pass attempts and 13 TDs

1991 - Rice had 80/1206/14; Montana only played 11 games, attempted only 279 passes, and threw 17 TDs; Steve Bono and Bill Musgrave threw the 49ers' other 242 pass attempts and 12 TDs

1996 - Rice had 108/1254/8; Young only played 12 games, attempted only 316 passes, and threw 14 TDs; Elvis Grbac and Jeff Brohm threw the 49ers' other 231 pass attempts and 9 TDs

In the cases above, not sure how to find game logs to compare his performance with the different QBs, but it seems pretty unlikely that he compiled a disproportionate amount of his statistics with Montana and Young as opposed to the other QBs.

Also:

2001 - Rice had 83/1139/9 at age 39; Rich Gannon was his QB

2002 - Rice had 92/1211/7 at age 40; Rich Gannon was his QB

So, just because Rice was fortunate enough to play with two all time great QBs does not mean he wouldn't have been productive with other QBs.

As far as Rice's comments, I wish he had just said he'd congratulate Moss. No need to feel defensive about his accomplishments.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=131You missed 1995, when

Young was injured again, and Elvis Grbac threw 30 percent of the 49ers passes. Rice had 1848 receiving yards and 15 TDs.

 

[TheFanatic]

Rice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moss

You are obviously too young to have seen rice play in his prime. And don't tell me how you were 12 and saw every game. Either that or you are one of those fools that looks at a fantasy mag that has 8 of the 10 guys from last year's top 10 in this year's top 10 and uses that to draft. Take a flyer on Moss this year and now think you are a friggin fantasy genius because you are in the playoffs? Explain the last 3 years where you missed the post season....Rice is the best WR in NFL history and just maybe the best player in league history.And the funny thing is that Moss has more talent than Rice. But Moss has about a 10th of the heart of Rice. Rice was born a champion. Moss will only be a champion if those around him play like that. He doesn't elevate anyone's play except a QB's when he pulls down a jump ball in the endzone. And before you call me a SF homer or Rice owner back in the day, I have never owned Rice and am a St. Louis Rams homer. In fact when Rice set the single season yardage record for a WR, my boy Ike Bruce was well in the lead to set that record till the Rams played the 9ers and allowed Rice to get 220+ receiving yards. Bruce broke the record for most yards in a season. Too bad Rice had even more yards. I believe Bruce had 1700+ yards and Rice 1800+/So, Christo, you posted at about 9:30, I'm sure you have about 30 minutes before your mom calls for lights out. time for bed junior.....

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

Pretty sure the 49ers played 15 games that season, Jerry. I suppose if Adrian Peterson rushes for 2106 yards next year in only 14 games, and misses due to injury, he won't complain if someone breaks that record in 16 games.

yeah the 'niners' played 15 games but 3games were played by replacements, no nfl player played in those 3. 15 minus 3 i think equals 12-wow jerry was right. 12 who'd have thunk it

 

[candy bar]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

Pretty sure the 49ers played 15 games that season, Jerry. I suppose if Adrian Peterson rushes for 2106 yards next year in only 14 games, and misses due to injury, he won't complain if someone breaks that record in 16 games.

yeah the 'niners' played 15 games but 3games were played by replacements, no nfl player played in those 3. 15 minus 3 i think equals 12-wow jerry was right. 12 who'd have thunk it

That's not true. Lots of players crossed the picket line. It was purely Rice's decision not to do so, and he could have joined Montana and done so.

 

[SSOG]

You can't compare Rice to Moss. They're completely different players, both in how they approached the game and their playstyles. How about we have a thread where we don't compare them but reflect on their greatness? Because both are HoFers.

what would there actually be to talk about if we couldn't compare things like this? Randy is freak'n awesome but Jerry is the end all in the WR discussion. not just some but EVERY WR calls him the greatest and he's in the discussion of possible Greatest player of alltime. he may have been greater at WR than MJ was at shooting guard(putting on flame ######ant apparel for future flaming).

I hate to always be the guy who plays the "Don Hutson" card but... well, I have to play the "Don Hutson" card. You might think that Rice is a better WR than Hutson, but saying that Rice is the "be all, end all" is just silly. Rice might have gotten 22 TDs in 12 games, but Hutson had 17 TDs in 11 games in 1942, back before pass interference was even invented and catching even 10 in a season was unheard of. Hutson averaged more TDs per game than Jerry Rice and just six and a half fewer receiving yards per game, and Jerry Rice played in the golden age of passing with two of the best passers of all time, while Hutson played in the dark ages of passing. And you know all of those routes that Jerry Rice ran? Well, Don Hutson pretty much invented most of them. Hutson is the Babe Ruth of the NFL- the guy whose game was so far ahead of his time and whose stats were so far ahead of his peers that there really is no comparison whatsoever.

 

[[scooter]]

yeah the 'niners' played 15 games but 3games were played by replacements, no nfl player played in those 3.

Joe Montana did.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

he crossed the line to play in the last game, he didn't play in all 3

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

You can't compare Rice to Moss. They're completely different players, both in how they approached the game and their playstyles. How about we have a thread where we don't compare them but reflect on their greatness? Because both are HoFers.

what would there actually be to talk about if we couldn't compare things like this? Randy is freak'n awesome but Jerry is the end all in the WR discussion. not just some but EVERY WR calls him the greatest and he's in the discussion of possible Greatest player of alltime. he may have been greater at WR than MJ was at shooting guard(putting on flame ######ant apparel for future flaming).

I hate to always be the guy who plays the "Don Hutson" card but... well, I have to play the "Don Hutson" card. You might think that Rice is a better WR than Hutson, but saying that Rice is the "be all, end all" is just silly. Rice might have gotten 22 TDs in 12 games, but Hutson had 17 TDs in 11 games in 1942, back before pass interference was even invented and catching even 10 in a season was unheard of. Hutson averaged more TDs per game than Jerry Rice and just six and a half fewer receiving yards per game, and Jerry Rice played in the golden age of passing with two of the best passers of all time, while Hutson played in the dark ages of passing. And you know all of those routes that Jerry Rice ran? Well, Don Hutson pretty much invented most of them. Hutson is the Babe Ruth of the NFL- the guy whose game was so far ahead of his time and whose stats were so far ahead of his peers that there really is no comparison whatsoever.

golden age of passing? how many TD's did peyton throw in 05 and brady is gonna get 60 this year. guys like ronnie lott were still able to kill WR's in the 80's- i don't think things were so much 'easier' in the 80's.

 

[[scooter]]

he crossed the line to play in the last game, he didn't play in all 3

Oh, so he's only 1/3 of a scab then. BTW, several NFL players played in all 3 strike games, including Randy White and Ed "Too Tall" Jones of the Cowboys.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Rice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moss

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

well its a litte known fact that all cowboys players are POS(from a humble niner fan )

 

[SSOG]

You can't compare Rice to Moss. They're completely different players, both in how they approached the game and their playstyles. How about we have a thread where we don't compare them but reflect on their greatness? Because both are HoFers.

what would there actually be to talk about if we couldn't compare things like this? Randy is freak'n awesome but Jerry is the end all in the WR discussion. not just some but EVERY WR calls him the greatest and he's in the discussion of possible Greatest player of alltime. he may have been greater at WR than MJ was at shooting guard(putting on flame ######ant apparel for future flaming).

I hate to always be the guy who plays the "Don Hutson" card but... well, I have to play the "Don Hutson" card. You might think that Rice is a better WR than Hutson, but saying that Rice is the "be all, end all" is just silly. Rice might have gotten 22 TDs in 12 games, but Hutson had 17 TDs in 11 games in 1942, back before pass interference was even invented and catching even 10 in a season was unheard of. Hutson averaged more TDs per game than Jerry Rice and just six and a half fewer receiving yards per game, and Jerry Rice played in the golden age of passing with two of the best passers of all time, while Hutson played in the dark ages of passing. And you know all of those routes that Jerry Rice ran? Well, Don Hutson pretty much invented most of them. Hutson is the Babe Ruth of the NFL- the guy whose game was so far ahead of his time and whose stats were so far ahead of his peers that there really is no comparison whatsoever.

golden age of passing? how many TD's did peyton throw in 05 and brady is gonna get 60 this year. guys like ronnie lott were still able to kill WR's in the 80's- i don't think things were so much 'easier' in the 80's.

Rice's career spanned from 1985 to 2004. 1985 to 2004 was definitely the "golden era of passing". Things got really wonky from 2004-2006 because of the emphasis on pass interference, but 3 years doesn't constitute an era.Regardless of whether you want to argue semantics or not, though, passing offenses are NIGHT AND DAY from Hutson's era to Rice's. Three years before Hutson burst onto the scene, Arnie Herber led the NFL in passing... with 639 yards and 9 TDs. In Hutson's first year, he and Herber set NFL records when Herber passed an unbelievable 177 times for an incredible 1239 yards. In 1942, the year Hutson posted 17 TDs in 11 games, his QB (Cecil Isbell) finished with an NFL-record 2021 yards passing and 24 TDs. 60% of that yardage and 71% of those TDs went to Hutson. Rice's accomplishments are impressive, but when you put everything into historical perspective, Hutson going for 1211/17 in 1942 would be like Rice going for 3000/35.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Why can't the former athletes be happy that their record is being broken? It was held long enough. These guys make the normally pompous Dan Marino look gracious when his record was broken by Manning a few years ago.

 

[Christo]

Rice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moss

You are obviously too young to have seen rice play in his prime. And don't tell me how you were 12 and saw every game. Either that or you are one of those fools that looks at a fantasy mag that has 8 of the 10 guys from last year's top 10 in this year's top 10 and uses that to draft. Take a flyer on Moss this year and now think you are a friggin fantasy genius because you are in the playoffs? Explain the last 3 years where you missed the post season....Rice is the best WR in NFL history and just maybe the best player in league history.And the funny thing is that Moss has more talent than Rice. But Moss has about a 10th of the heart of Rice. Rice was born a champion. Moss will only be a champion if those around him play like that. He doesn't elevate anyone's play except a QB's when he pulls down a jump ball in the endzone. And before you call me a SF homer or Rice owner back in the day, I have never owned Rice and am a St. Louis Rams homer. In fact when Rice set the single season yardage record for a WR, my boy Ike Bruce was well in the lead to set that record till the Rams played the 9ers and allowed Rice to get 220+ receiving yards. Bruce broke the record for most yards in a season. Too bad Rice had even more yards. I believe Bruce had 1700+ yards and Rice 1800+/So, Christo, you posted at about 9:30, I'm sure you have about 30 minutes before your mom calls for lights out. time for bed junior.....

If you want to say Rice>Moss fine. But don't give me this BS about Rice>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moss.

 

[nerangers]

Maybe when Moss breaks Rice's record, they could put an * next to it...seems to be the trend for Patriot records this season.

Never thought people would think Moss > Rice...it is just one record.

 

[Tanner9919]

Rice talks Moss

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff December 13, 2007

Former San Francisco 49ers receiver Jerry Rice, who holds the NFL record for touchdown catches in a season with 22, talks to the Associated Press about Randy Moss' pursuit of his record.

Rice tells reporter Howard Ulman that he will congratulate Moss (19 TDs) if he breaks the record.

"The only thing that bothers me a little bit is that I did it during the strike year," Rice says to the AP. "It was 12 games for me. If he had done it in 12 games, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. But I'm still going to congratulate him and do all of that.

"But I'm surprised the league is taking it upon themselves to give him 16 games to do it."

umm, he means 22 tds in 12 games with someof them coming against SCABS, right?