I have to agree - but it is not a smart move for Denver tyo trade away their #1 for him.As a phin fan, I would LOVE to get a second first round pick for Ricky, even if it is in or near the 30s.Wow.
Ricky Williams running behind that Oline would be sick.
Why do they draft one every year when they don't really need to? Shanahan has a RB shopping addiction.I know Denver has an extra 1st rounder and they're both going to be lower picks ... but why would they do this when they already had a fantasy top-10 back and another near 1000-yard back with the #2 rushing offense in the league?
One possible reason is that Anderson is going to be 33 in September, and Shanny may not ever trust Bell to be a 20-25 carry guy. Plus, Ricky would be pretty cheap from a cap standpoint.I know Denver has an extra 1st rounder and they're both going to be lower picks ... but why would they do this when they already had a fantasy top-10 back and another near 1000-yard back with the #2 rushing offense in the league?
I think it is legal to possess in small amounts now or something.For a possible 1st rounder. He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.
League minimum, IIRC.Miami stil has to work out the 8 Million Ricky owes them as well. Not as easy a player to trade for as it seerms at first blush.I don't think his salary has him making much next season, so that would be part of the perk for Denver in the trade.
Legal to possess under an ounce in Denver.I think it is legal to possess in small amounts now or something.For a possible 1st rounder. He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.
Both good points. I guess then it all comes down to whether or not a better RB is at Washington's draft spot. I didn't realize they could get Ricky so cheaply.One possible reason is that Anderson is going to be 33 in September, and Shanny may not ever trust Bell to be a 20-25 carry guy. Plus, Ricky would be pretty cheap from a cap standpoint.I know Denver has an extra 1st rounder and they're both going to be lower picks ... but why would they do this when they already had a fantasy top-10 back and another near 1000-yard back with the #2 rushing offense in the league?
Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
Wow, I disagree 100%. What would make Saban look like an idiot is to use a #2 draft pick on Ronnie Brown and have him languish as a 15 carry RB.I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown. It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.
Generally - in the blue states anyway - in places like Nevada, which is a zero tolerance state, any amount of marijuana can get you up to a year in jail - and they enforce it.Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
"languish"??? How was Ronnie "languishing" this past yrear while the team was averaging 4.3 per carry, getting 1900 rush yards, and winning 9 out of 16 games after a 4 win season in 2004 in which the run game was puitrid?Considering the end-game for RBs, allowing Ronnie Brown to come alive in year two and then take over in year three would help keep him injury free and runnin gfor the phins a lot longer (unlike the two other top-5 rookie RBs that were drafted this past year and have already suffered injuries that caused them to miss big stretches of time).Wow, I disagree 100%. What would make Saban look like an idiot is to use a #2 draft pick on Ronnie Brown and have him languish as a 15 carry RB.I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown. It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.
I think this trade would make Saban look like a genius. How much value did Ricky have a year ago?I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown. It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.
Wow I wouldn't have expected this out of a state that has legalized prostitution. Someone should point the authorities to the guys slapping the hooker books wearing the neon yellow "Strippers direct to you" shirts. It seems like they are always trying to push a ball of cocaine for $70 to anyone that walks by.Generally - in the blue states anyway - in places like Nevada, which is a zero tolerance state, any amount of marijuana can get you up to a year in jail - and they enforce it.Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
LOL - try buying drugs in Nevada (outside of Las Vegas) or simnply CARRYING any drugs in your car when you are busted - the case law is rife with people tossed in jail for very little amounts of drugs - including marijuana.Wow I wouldn't have expected this out of a state that has legalized prostitution. Someone should point the authorities to the guys slapping the hooker books wearing the neon yellow "Strippers direct to you" shirts. It seems like they are always trying to push a ball of cocaine for $70 to anyone that walks by.Generally - in the blue states anyway - in places like Nevada, which is a zero tolerance state, any amount of marijuana can get you up to a year in jail - and they enforce it.Legal sentencing for marijuana is and has always been a non-issue because it is typically a petty misdeamenor unless you are carrying a lot of it. The only thing that should matter is that he's one strike from a year suspension.and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
"languish"??? How was Ronnie "languishing" this past yrear while the team was averaging 4.3 per carry, getting 1900 rush yards, and winning 9 out of 16 games after a 4 win season in 2004 in which the run game was puitrid?Considering the end-game for RBs, allowing Ronnie Brown to come alive in year two and then take over in year three would help keep him injury free and runnin gfor the phins a lot longer (unlike the two other top-5 rookie RBs that were drafted this past year and have already suffered injuries that caused them to miss big stretches of time).Wow, I disagree 100%. What would make Saban look like an idiot is to use a #2 draft pick on Ronnie Brown and have him languish as a 15 carry RB.I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown. It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.
2005 player salaries . . .JamesIf teams wouldn't give up a 2nd or 3rd for uberstuds like Edge and Alexander, what makes anyone think Pothead Williams can get a 1st?
You mean trading a guy with 1st round value before he does something crazy like retire or fail a 3rd drug test?I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown. It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.
At 33, Anderson will not be seeing that $2.5 million. Williams would be a great fit at a cheap price. Although this deal makes too much sense for it to actually happen.2005 player salaries . . .JamesIf teams wouldn't give up a 2nd or 3rd for uberstuds like Edge and Alexander, what makes anyone think Pothead Williams can get a 1st?
$8,081,000
Alexander
$6,323,000
Williams
$540,000
You tell me. Is Edgerrin James really, truly 15 times better than Ricky Williams?
Williams also has 2 years left on his contract--$545,000 in 2006 and $670,000 in 2007.
Mike Anderson is due $2,565,000 for 2006.
1st rounder for Ricky5th rounder for TOI think the Broncos should look to upgrade at WR, first and foremost. Rod Smith is still excellent, but he can't play forever. And Lelie hasn't been consistent enough. A playmaking WR would make the Broncos offense almost unstoppable.
There is no way any team is trading for Owens. The Eagles are going to release him, so any team that is actually interested will just wait until then. And even though I would like to see the Broncos upgrade their WR corps, doing it with Owens is not something this Broncos fan wants to see.5th rounder for TO
Holy Cow, nice off season from a talent level, but can the locker room add these two personal;ities? Ricky being a little off center, and TO needing to be the center of attention.
The post I was responding to said it would make Saban look like 'an idiot' if he made this trade and "put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown." First, do you agree with that? Second, on my use of "languish"... I'm not clear what team rushing accomplishments have to do with a particular player "suffering under" a set of circumstances. Whether you agree the term "languish" applies to a #2 pick being a nice contributing 700-900 yard rusher, it remains asinine IMHO to suggest a coach is 'an idiot' to expect a #2 draft pick he hand picked to be a primary "pressured" ball carrier. Saban himself implied in his season wrap up that Brown's developement was weighing on his mind heading into this offseason. I will agree with you that a plan to keep Ricky 1 more year won't necessarily be bad, but that alternative was not implicit in the post I responded to, and frankly I find it unlikely the Dolphins ever trade Ricky if they pass on a #1 for Ricky right now. That's astounding value for Ricky. I'd have been shocked if they could have received a 3rd round pick given what S.Alexander/Edge were being dangled for last offseason, and your fellow Dolphin fans on this board said they'd be doing cartwheels for a 2nd. And for the record, my opinions are based on the validity of this rumor. If it's a huge lie and the Dolphins are merely being offered a 5th rounder, I too would say Saban is an idiot to trade Ricky."languish"??? How was Ronnie "languishing" this past yrear while the team was averaging 4.3 per carry, getting 1900 rush yards, and winning 9 out of 16 games after a 4 win season in 2004 in which the run game was puitrid?Considering the end-game for RBs, allowing Ronnie Brown to come alive in year two and then take over in year three would help keep him injury free and runnin gfor the phins a lot longer (unlike the two other top-5 rookie RBs that were drafted this past year and have already suffered injuries that caused them to miss big stretches of time).Wow, I disagree 100%. What would make Saban look like an idiot is to use a #2 draft pick on Ronnie Brown and have him languish as a 15 carry RB.I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown. It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.
I agree.There are other free agent WR's out there (Reggie Wayne???) and there will be talent available in the draft that just outweigh the baggage that Owens brings.There is no way any team is trading for Owens. The Eagles are going to release him, so any team that is actually interested will just wait until then. And even though I would like to see the Broncos upgrade their WR corps, doing it with Owens is not something this Broncos fan wants to see.5th rounder for TO
Holy Cow, nice off season from a talent level, but can the locker room add these two personal;ities? Ricky being a little off center, and TO needing to be the center of attention.
Doesn't matter what the law says in Colorado. The NFL enforces their own drug policy and Ricky's busted (meaning he will miss games) if he tests positive again.For a possible 1st rounder. He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.
I really fail to see how this is relevant. he still has mandatory drug testing by the NFL and would be suspended for a year if he tests positive, regardless of what state he's in.For a possible 1st rounder. He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.
I was joking. I really don't think marijuana laws will have anything to do with where he goes, while he is in the NFL anyways. Besides, he said he quit smokingI really fail to see how this is relevant. he still has mandatory drug testing by the NFL and would be suspended for a year if he tests positive, regardless of what state he's in.For a possible 1st rounder. He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.
I menitoned earlier, as a phin fan, I would LOVE it if this happened.You mean trading a guy with 1st round value before he does something crazy like retire or fail a 3rd drug test?I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown. It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.
it was a joke.I really fail to see how this is relevant. he still has mandatory drug testing by the NFL and would be suspended for a year if he tests positive, regardless of what state he's in.For a possible 1st rounder. He could be a top 5 back next year if he is dealt to Denver, and didn't they just reduce sentencing for marijuana somewhere in Colorado?
I hope this isn't a honda, didn't see anything recent.
at a tatum bell owner the only thing i'd like to see is Jenna Jameson in a hot-tubAs a Ronnie Brown owner, I'd love to see this happen!
Excluding everything else above, this is your comment:The post I was responding to said it would make Saban look like 'an idiot' if he made this trade and "put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown." First, do you agree with that? Second, on my use of "languish"... I'm not clear what team rushing accomplishments have to do with a particular player "suffering under" a set of circumstances. Whether you agree the term "languish" applies to a #2 pick being a nice contributing 700-900 yard rusher, it remains asinine IMHO to suggest a coach is 'an idiot' to expect a #2 draft pick he hand picked to be a primary "pressured" ball carrier. Saban himself implied in his season wrap up that Brown's developement was weighing on his mind heading into this offseason. I will agree with you that a plan to keep Ricky 1 more year won't necessarily be bad, but that alternative was not implicit in the post I responded to, and frankly I find it unlikely the Dolphins ever trade Ricky if they pass on a #1 for Ricky right now. That's astounding value for Ricky. I'd have been shocked if they could have received a 3rd round pick given what S.Alexander/Edge were being dangled for last offseason, and your fellow Dolphin fans on this board said they'd be doing cartwheels for a 2nd. And for the record, my opinions are based on the validity of this rumor. If it's a huge lie and the Dolphins are merely being offered a 5th rounder, I too would say Saban is an idiot to trade Ricky."languish"??? How was Ronnie "languishing" this past yrear while the team was averaging 4.3 per carry, getting 1900 rush yards, and winning 9 out of 16 games after a 4 win season in 2004 in which the run game was puitrid?Considering the end-game for RBs, allowing Ronnie Brown to come alive in year two and then take over in year three would help keep him injury free and runnin gfor the phins a lot longer (unlike the two other top-5 rookie RBs that were drafted this past year and have already suffered injuries that caused them to miss big stretches of time).Wow, I disagree 100%. What would make Saban look like an idiot is to use a #2 draft pick on Ronnie Brown and have him languish as a 15 carry RB.I think this trade would make Saban look like an idiot, and put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown. It would be a given that Ricky would become an elite rusher in Denver, and Saban would look like a fool if Ronnie had an off season.
Lastly, on your throw in comment re: Bush. I don't know how the Bush comment applies to my response. I didn't say a guy should get 25 carries as a rookie, nor did I suggest R.Brown should have received 25 carries as a rookie.
What makes you think that a 15-carry back is LANGUISHING??? Esp. when the team had as good a season running the ball as they did. How is Brown "languishing" in the Doplphins' offense - from where I am sitting, as a huge Dolphin fan, he was an integral part of the team's rushing numbers and an integral component to their 9 win season.Finally, I was reserving this in case you decided to post a response - Brown has NEVER carried the load, holding onto Ricky as a pro bowl quality backup RB until he sees if Brown can handle a 300 carry season is smart - not an "idiot" move - which makes the Bush comment very appropriate.What would make Saban look like an idiot is to use a #2 draft pick on Ronnie Brown and have him languish as a 15 carry RB.
In fairness to your response - no, I don't agree with the initial post nor was I defending it.The post I was responding to said it would make Saban look like 'an idiot' if he made this trade and "put a ton of pressure on Ronnie Brown." First, do you agree with that?
This is a total non-story.
No sources that the Broncos have even discussed it. Just some writer with some columnn to fill..
The last line is the most telling...
"There will be a market for Williams, but it could be pricey and it is unlikely he'll wind up in Denver."