Right of Way on a Sidewalk (1 Viewer)

[ChiefD]

So, I like to run once in awhile, so I will run in my neighborhood. Typical suburban neighborhood. Sidewalk can accommodate 2 people. So, when I come up on people coming the other way, what's the play and who gets the right of way in these scenarios?

1. Woman pushing stroller. No brainer. I always yield here and vear off into the street.

2. Guy walking dog. This one I'm confused about. I normally yield, but I also feel the guy is taking up not only his space, but the leash creates an unfair radius. Meaning, he should yield and control the dog.

3. Woman walking alone. I always yield here also, just so she doesn't feel uncomfortable.

4. Husband and wife. I never yield here. I stay on my side and always work this one to see if they will go single file.

5. Guy walking alone. Never yield here. Battle of wills to see if he will even flinch or yield.

6. Biker on sidewalk. Never yield to this guy or girl.

7. Other runner on sidewalk. Never yield. We both have business to attend to. Give a quick nod and keep moving.

Any breaches of etiquette here I need to worry about?

TIA

 

[sho nuff]

Typically will only veer off a bit to someone walking a dog.

More just courtesy to them to not have to grab the leash too tight if the dog decides to try and check me out...and partially for me just because I don't really want to catch some teeth for my calf.

Usually plenty of room for a stroller on the other side...and anyone walking in pairs....its up to them to show the courtesy and go single file til the runner passes.

 

[Frostillicus]

You people think too much.

 

[Mad Cow]

Run on the road, against traffic. Problem solved. Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

 

[Sand]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

 

[Jack White]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

 

[DaVinci]

It's called a sidewalk for a reason, pal.

 

[Psychopav]

Running should be done in the street not on the sidewalk.

 

[Fat Nick]

Running should be done in the street not on the sidewalk.

This.

And if you're running with a group of people on narrower roads, don't run multiple people wide. I had this happen to me this AM. Narrow residental street and a string of cars, 5 joggers staggered 3 and 2 came easily 1/2 way into the lane I was in. I came to a complete stop because they wouldn't go single-file and there was oncoming traffic. I don't think that's what they mean when the signs say "share the road."

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

I just yield to everyone on the sidewalk when I run. Makes it easier to not have to think about it.

 

[weebs]

I drop the shoulder and just boss hog...even pregnant women.

 

[pantagrapher]

Wear a pinwheel hat, slather yourself in your own feces and carry a plastic trumpet. Automatic right of way in all situations.

 

[Mad Cow]

Running should be done in the street not on the sidewalk.

This.

And if you're running with a group of people on narrower roads, don't run multiple people wide. I had this happen to me this AM. Narrow residental street and a string of cars, 5 joggers staggered 3 and 2 came easily 1/2 way into the lane I was in. I came to a complete stop because they wouldn't go single-file and there was oncoming traffic. I don't think that's what they mean when the signs say "share the road."

I run with a group of 3-4 guys, but it is very early in the AM, like 5am. There is very little traffic, but when it comes, we fall back into single-file. Just the way you do thing. That said, there is a running path along a golf course here, and while we adhere to the single file rule when others come, it seems that women running in packs never do. They expect everyone else to give way to their 2-3 person-wide blockade. Drives me crazy.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I typically run on the streets but there are a few traffic heavy ones that force me to the sidewalks.

You must have narrower sidewalks than I do, because there is no need to "yield" in most of these situations. I'll share with a single walker, biker, or a stroller. I generally pick a side early (usually the right) and we pass fine.

Dog walkers should absolutely yield by moving off the sidewalk and securing their animal. I will yield if necessary (I learned the hard way by being bit) but will give them my disgusted stare.

Multiple people (husband and wife, friends, whatever) should pass single file.

These answers are all for passing in opposite directions. If passing from behind I will almost always yield so to not frighten someone. Not to the bikers, though, I get a kick out of passing them.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

You wrote "much better". Concrete and asphalt are both so hard, the minor difference is irrelevant for practical purposes. Obviously, trails and school tracks are much better but they aren't as readily available for most people.

Edit: Also, the "terrible on the knees" part is certainly a debatable issue. Running will actually strengthen your knees over time. Of course overuse too quickly can cause injury, which I assume is what you're referring to.

 

[Mad Cow]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

You wrote "much better". Concrete and asphalt are both so hard, the minor difference is irrelevant for practical purposes. Obviously, trails and school tracks are much better but they aren't as readily available for most people.

I said much better, and I stand by that. I have been running 20-40 miles a week for the last 20 years, so I can speak with some authority.

 

[TheIronSheik]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

 

[Jack White]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

You wrote "much better". Concrete and asphalt are both so hard, the minor difference is irrelevant for practical purposes. Obviously, trails and school tracks are much better but they aren't as readily available for most people.

Edit: Also, the "terrible on the knees" part is certainly a debatable issue. Running will actually strengthen your knees over time. Of course overuse too quickly can cause injury, which I assume is what you're referring to.

I didn't write much better. It's probably only a little better. But if you must run on one of these hard surfaces, it makes sense to pick the one that is not quite as hard.

I do sympathize with runners who don't have a viable dirt option. Once I started running on trails, I left road running behind forever.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

You wrote "much better". Concrete and asphalt are both so hard, the minor difference is irrelevant for practical purposes. Obviously, trails and school tracks are much better but they aren't as readily available for most people.

I said much better, and I stand by that. I have been running 20-40 miles a week for the last 20 years, so I can speak with some authority.

First of all, if running mileage gives "authority" in this discussion, you're not unique in this thread.

But don't take my word for it. Do a google search on the topic and read for yourself.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

You wrote "much better". Concrete and asphalt are both so hard, the minor difference is irrelevant for practical purposes. Obviously, trails and school tracks are much better but they aren't as readily available for most people.

Edit: Also, the "terrible on the knees" part is certainly a debatable issue. Running will actually strengthen your knees over time. Of course overuse too quickly can cause injury, which I assume is what you're referring to.

I didn't write much better. It's probably only a little better. But if you must run on one of these hard surfaces, it makes sense to pick the one that is not quite as hard.

I do sympathize with runners who don't have a viable dirt option. Once I started running on trails, I left road running behind forever.

Sorry, you're correct. I didn't notice you and Mad Cow were different posters.

 

[Jack White]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

I love runners who value "right of way" over the reality that, in a collision between a bag of bones and a two-thousand pound metal and glass projectile, the bag of bones is going to lose every time.

 

[Rick James]

I don't understand why you would need to yield on a sidewalk. they're what, 4 feet wide? plenty of room to just keep on jogging

 

[Mad Cow]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

You wrote "much better". Concrete and asphalt are both so hard, the minor difference is irrelevant for practical purposes. Obviously, trails and school tracks are much better but they aren't as readily available for most people.

I said much better, and I stand by that. I have been running 20-40 miles a week for the last 20 years, so I can speak with some authority.

First of all, if running mileage gives "authority" in this discussion, you're not unique in this thread.

But don't take my word for it. Do a google search on the topic and read for yourself.

OK,

Purely anecdotally but based on my own personal experience, for me, asphalt is much better than concrete. That make you happy?

 

[Juxtatarot]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

Although you're technically right, you may want to consider a comparison of the effort and impact of stopping and waiting from both sides.

 

[Jack White]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

You wrote "much better". Concrete and asphalt are both so hard, the minor difference is irrelevant for practical purposes. Obviously, trails and school tracks are much better but they aren't as readily available for most people.

Edit: Also, the "terrible on the knees" part is certainly a debatable issue. Running will actually strengthen your knees over time. Of course overuse too quickly can cause injury, which I assume is what you're referring to.

I didn't write much better. It's probably only a little better. But if you must run on one of these hard surfaces, it makes sense to pick the one that is not quite as hard.

I do sympathize with runners who don't have a viable dirt option. Once I started running on trails, I left road running behind forever.

Sorry, you didn't. I didn't notice you and Mad Cow were different posters.

No worries on that, happens to everyone once in a while.

I used to be an avid runner. I enjoyed it, and it seemed to provide the best bang for the buck for the time invested in exercising.

But then I discovered Mark Sisson, who taught me that "chronic cardio" is not a healthy form of exercise. He thinks this is better.

 

[TheIronSheik]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

Although you're technically right, you may want to consider a comparison of the effort and impact of stopping and waiting from both sides.

Wait. What?

 

[tri-man 47]

Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Huge myth. Both are the same from that point of view.

It's not a myth. Concrete is harder than asphalt. Not that I recommend running on asphalt, either. If you must run, find a trail made of dirt.

You wrote "much better". Concrete and asphalt are both so hard, the minor difference is irrelevant for practical purposes. Obviously, trails and school tracks are much better but they aren't as readily available for most people.

Edit: Also, the "terrible on the knees" part is certainly a debatable issue. Running will actually strengthen your knees over time. Of course overuse too quickly can cause injury, which I assume is what you're referring to.

I didn't write much better. It's probably only a little better. But if you must run on one of these hard surfaces, it makes sense to pick the one that is not quite as hard.

I do sympathize with runners who don't have a viable dirt option. Once I started running on trails, I left road running behind forever.

Sorry, you didn't. I didn't notice you and Mad Cow were different posters.

No worries on that, happens to everyone once in a while.

I used to be an avid runner. I enjoyed it, and it seemed to provide the best bang for the buck for the time invested in exercising.

But then I discovered Mark Sisson, who taught me that "chronic cardio" is not a healthy form of exercise. He thinks this is better.

For me, level concrete sidewalks > slanted asphalt roadways. I'm a forefoot runner, so the bounce of my step negates any problems with the concrete, I would say. It's the pitch of the roads that worries me ...the strain on the ankles and feet. But yeah, trail running is ideal.

Interesting info in your links. Regarding the chronic cardio, a number of us in the 10K thread focus on heart rate training ...specifically monitoring the HR so as not to create problems (which seems to be the author's point). His 'better' plan seems to be, in essence, cross training, which I agree has many benefits.

 

[ChiefD]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

Yeah, this one is a touchy one. I have had several close calls where I am already in the intersection, and people just don't pay attention.

I had one scenario where I was running by a church. The service was letting out, and so I was coming up on the sidewalk. The guy coming out of church has a stop sign. He's a good 20 feet from the stop sign, so I figure I'm good. My rule of thumb is to try and make eye contact with the driver before I ever enter an intersection.

Anyway, in this scenario, I make eye contact with his wife. Remember, he's not even at the stop sign yet. So I go. Dude is looking left and is making a right hand turn. Sees no traffic coming, never bothers to look to the right, AND blows right through the stop sign. I am literally 3" from being dead at this point.

That guy I yelled at all day long. He stopped in the middle of the street - I'm sure crapping his pants because he just realized he damn near killed a guy.

This happens ALL the time. I know there are douchey runners out there who think they own the streets, but the amount of inattentive drives FAR outweighs those guys.

 

[sbonomo]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

Although you're technically right, you may want to consider a comparison of the effort and impact of stopping and waiting from both sides.

Wait. What?

I was a bit lost as well....

 

[TheIronSheik]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

Yeah, this one is a touchy one. I have had several close calls where I am already in the intersection, and people just don't pay attention.

I had one scenario where I was running by a church. The service was letting out, and so I was coming up on the sidewalk. The guy coming out of church has a stop sign. He's a good 20 feet from the stop sign, so I figure I'm good. My rule of thumb is to try and make eye contact with the driver before I ever enter an intersection.

Anyway, in this scenario, I make eye contact with his wife. Remember, he's not even at the stop sign yet. So I go. Dude is looking left and is making a right hand turn. Sees no traffic coming, never bothers to look to the right, AND blows right through the stop sign. I am literally 3" from being dead at this point.

That guy I yelled at all day long. He stopped in the middle of the street - I'm sure crapping his pants because he just realized he damn near killed a guy.

This happens ALL the time. I know there are douchey runners out there who think they own the streets, but the amount of inattentive drives FAR outweighs those guys.

Yeah, I'm not arguing that. Every group has their idiots. And if this happened once, I wouldn't have thought twice about it. But it happens a lot. It's always the same spot, too. I guess we're on the same schedule. The problem is that there's a building on the right, which is the side they come from. So I can't see them at all until they dart out into the intersection.

 

[sbonomo]

Just take a few out...problem solved

 

[TheIronSheik]

Just take a few out...problem solved

Thin the herd.

 

[sho nuff]

For me, level concrete sidewalks > slanted asphalt roadways. I'm a forefoot runner, so the bounce of my step negates any problems with the concrete, I would say. It's the pitch of the roads that worries me ...the strain on the ankles and feet. But yeah, trail running is ideal.

Interesting info in your links. Regarding the chronic cardio, a number of us in the 10K thread focus on heart rate training ...specifically monitoring the HR so as not to create problems (which seems to be the author's point). His 'better' plan seems to be, in essence, cross training, which I agree has many benefits.

Yeah...the difference in hardness of the surfaces really does not come into play much with the lack of real force the human body will be putting onto those surfaces.

Anecdotally you might feel a difference...my guess is it is completely mental.

And I agree on the slant vs. flat. Unfortunately 90% of the sidewalks around me are aggregate...so forget that crap.

and my ankles pay for it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Would not be a problem if we all had those moving sidewalks we were promised. Jetpacks also in case the sidewalk was slow you could jump over people as if they were checkers.

 

[Juxtatarot]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

Although you're technically right, you may want to consider a comparison of the effort and impact of stopping and waiting from both sides.

Wait. What?

I was a bit lost as well....

Sorry. I was trying to make the point that it's a lot easier for a driver to wait a few extra seconds for the runner to pass than it is for the runner to come to a complete stop and wait for the car. Although Shiek is legally correct, I don't think it's the courteous thing to do.

 

[17seconds]

When I'm running I move out of the way for everybody unless they do it first. I'm out there getting exercise. Why do I care if I have to veer 5ft?

If a car is stopped, driver is looking left, and I'm coming up on their right, I just cross the road behind their car unless I'm absolutely sure they've seen me.

 

[matuski]

People always seem to move for me.

 

[zamboni]

If everyone stayed to the right, there would be no issues. Always bothers me with tourists in NYC.

 

[El Floppo]

If everyone stayed to the right, there would be no issues. Always bothers me with tourists in NYC.

don't get me started on NYC.

but yeah- stay to the right, pass on the left.

I don't see how this is an issue if the sidewalk can accommodate 2 people. if somebody's coming the other way, you run by them. if they're on the wrong side of the sidewalk, you run around them.

IMO, sidewalks are for walking, so if you run into a situation where there are two people walking side-by-side, you slow down, say excuse me, and run by when they offer some room. or you duck out into the street.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Run on the road, against traffic. Problem solved. Concrete is terrible for the knees. Asphalt is much better.

Don't ever do this. Road is made for vehicles. Sidewalk is made for pedestrians.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Running should be done in the street not on the sidewalk.

This is just wrong. Runners are pedestrians. They belong on the sidewalk, not competing against cars and bikes on the road.

 

[Fat Nick]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

Although you're technically right, you may want to consider a comparison of the effort and impact of stopping and waiting from both sides.

Wait. What?

I was a bit lost as well....

Sorry. I was trying to make the point that it's a lot easier for a driver to wait a few extra seconds for the runner to pass than it is for the runner to come to a complete stop and wait for the car. Although Shiek is legally correct, I don't think it's the courteous thing to do.

I get what you're saying, but at the same time, it's a LOT easier to stop yourself while running than it is to stop a car. Runners don't have turn signals, and I think what IS (wait...IS x 2 = ISIS... Hummmmm) is trying to say is that they just dart across without warning, etc. so you don't know if they're going straight or crossing.

 

[Juxtatarot]

On my way home from work, I drive through a small town. I guess they have a running club because I always see a pack of runners on the sidewalks. But what pisses me off is that they don't stop for anything. They will just run across the street through intersections. I came to a 4 way stop a while back and I started to go, when a dude runs off of the sidewalk right in front of me. Not sure how I didn't hit him. He starts yelling at me so I roll down my window to yell back and all I can hear is him and the other runners yelling at me to watch where I'm going.

The issue is, they think they have the right of way in the crosswalk. But this is only true if you have entered the crosswalk before I go. I was already moving when he ran out from behind the building into the intersection. Idiots. Even if you think you have the right of way (which they don't), who would gamble that a car would stop like that? To just run into traffic hoping someone sees you and stops is insane.

Although you're technically right, you may want to consider a comparison of the effort and impact of stopping and waiting from both sides.

Wait. What?

I was a bit lost as well....

Sorry. I was trying to make the point that it's a lot easier for a driver to wait a few extra seconds for the runner to pass than it is for the runner to come to a complete stop and wait for the car. Although Shiek is legally correct, I don't think it's the courteous thing to do.

I get what you're saying, but at the same time, it's a LOT easier to stop yourself while running than it is to stop a car. Runners don't have turn signals, and I think what IS (wait...IS x 2 = ISIS... Hummmmm) is trying to say is that they just dart across without warning, etc. so you don't know if they're going straight or crossing.

Yeah, if I'm running in daylight I'll try to make eye contact with the driver and/or make a hand gesture so the driver knows what direction I'm going. If it was truly a blind corner, the runner shouldn't dart out like that. That's dangerous.

 

[El Floppo]

I would think if you see somebody just about to enter the crosswalk while running, you let them go... right IS?

these guys popping out from behind a building are dopes. but a person or people running down the sidewalk about to cross that you can... you going to cut them off because they haven't stepped into the sidewalk yet? or are you going to let them go?

 

[Johnny Rock]

Hurdling in all scenarios down?

 

[El Floppo]

Hurdling in all scenarios down?

starsky and hutch slide over car hoods for sure. baby carriage too.

 

[VA703]

I usually run in socks.. better for feet

and electrical tape on nipples

 

[Fat Nick]

I usually run in socks.. better for feet

and electrical tape on nipples

You chaffed nipple people are a different breed. I watched my wife run the NYC marathon. As we closed in on the end, I almost had to stop watching because of all the guys with bloody nipples.

Any hobby or activity stops being fun when my nipples bleed.

 

[VA703]

I usually run in socks.. better for feet

and electrical tape on nipples

You chaffed nipple people are a different breed. I watched my wife run the NYC marathon. As we closed in on the end, I almost had to stop watching because of all the guys with bloody nipples.

Any hobby or activity stops being fun when my nipples bleed.

yup, same thing happens in the pants. I usually run with a magnum

 

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I love runners who value "right of way" over the reality that, in a collision between a bag of bones and a two-thousand pound metal and glass projectile, the bag of bones is going to lose every time.

Two thousand?