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RIP Ryan Grant (1 Viewer)
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Banger
Footballguy
I don't care about ypc on 9 carries....the eye ball test watching them side by side is all I need to see...it's not close IMO. Grant will get his carries but the Starks owners got the CLEAR value in this "horse race". Grant's TD was great and he created that all by himself...Grant had a similar, I thought better opportunity to score, on a 2nd and 9 from the 9 or so and he snagged a couple yards. As a Starks owner you absolutely want to see him in there in crunch time.
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Banger
Footballguy
Not at all IMO. It's a reality thread. I'd be very happy if I were a Starks owner and I wouldn't be if I were a Grant owner.They gave Grant the ball early and then it was all Starks. Having him running with 2 mins left speaks volumes. You would think that they'd want the vet in there in that situation but they didn't. I'm not saying that Grant isn't going to get the ball because he will but as time goes on I can see a 55/35 Starks/Grant split.
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footballnerd
Footballguy
garbage time? they lost by 8
Starks owner wearing rose colored glasses. I'm a Starks owner and I see a 50-50 time share for the time being and thought Grant looked like he deserves the touches he got tonight.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Nice blitz pick up by Starks at the end of the game
Yeah and they were down by 15 when I posted
Banger
Footballguy
that's the best case scenario game 1 though for Starks owners....they got him 3-4 rounds later and he'll be as good or better than Grant. I targeted Starks (and avoided Grant) but didn't get him in any leagues...I don't know if he'll be the SOD but he's in the right offense and had a real nice start to the season. It'll be interesting to watch this year...
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VaTerp
Footballguy
Agreed.In the game thread I posted "nice knowing you Ryan Grant" when Starks was in at the end of the game. Grant did get another series but it's clear to me that Starks is the back to own in GB. I was relatively high on Grant earlier in the summer but it became clear that GB would ride the hot hand during the season.Tonite, it became clear to me that Grant has lost a step and Starks is the better RB. More burst, runs through more contact, just better. RBs have a short life span in the NFL. Injuries probably robbed Grant of another productive year or two but the writing is on the wall. He's pretty much doneski and his owners have to hope to get lucky when they put him in the lineup.Starks is the value play in the GB backfield this year and if he stays healthy, looks like a decent option in an explosive offense.
thekidd2009
Footballguy
Yea I don't own either but If I had a choice it'd be Starks by a mile. Looked and ran much better than Grant and Grant had some great holes early but kept getting tripped up.
Native
Footballguy
Did he blow the block on 3rd down? Didnt see it...please tell!
Banger
Footballguy
The whole episode where they almost cut Grant really opened my eyes to situation and made Grant undraftable (to me). Then seeing how they used them and the situations and how they looked in those situations it makes me wish I reached a bit more Starks instead of waiting one more round and having someone else snag him.
tim_whatley
Footballguy
Looks like a clearly split backfield to me. DOn't see that changing unless someone gets hurt.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Grant looked much better tonight than expected, I would not say RIP Grant at all. Yes, Starks had that nice TD run but Grant would have had it too, the blocking was amazing on that play.
Either way, neither Grant nor Starks should be your #1 or your #2, as it is going to be RBBC on a passing-focused offense. Even the receivers get so spread around (WRBC?) other than Jennings it is hard to roster another. I can see both Grant and Starks finishing less than top 20 this year (or right around there). They aren't going to win you a league.
Rodgers might be the only true fantasy stud on this amazing offense.
Either way, neither Grant nor Starks should be your #1 or your #2, as it is going to be RBBC on a passing-focused offense. Even the receivers get so spread around (WRBC?) other than Jennings it is hard to roster another. I can see both Grant and Starks finishing less than top 20 this year (or right around there). They aren't going to win you a league.
Rodgers might be the only true fantasy stud on this amazing offense.
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Reepicheep
Footballguy
Starks owner here. I liked what I saw. It will still be hard to trust him in the lineup, once you get to the goal line even if Grant is on the bench you've got Rodgers and Khun to share TDs with.
adrenaline
Footballguy
This really isn't anything new with Grant, he's always benefited from the room created by being on a pass first offence. A lot of Packers fans including myself have been wishing for an upgrade for a couple of years, looks like we got it.
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That's just a stupid thing to say ... That was a great run by Starks, he ran hard and broke tackles.
geoff8695
Footballguy
Pretty definitive statement there...Would you say their is no chance that one emerges ahead of the other, even without an injury? What about GB deciding that Starks is just better at some point, and moving more of the workload over to him, any chance of that ever happening?As was previously mentioned, if GB was willing to risk cutting Grant outright two weeks ago, then they aren't overly attached to him at this point in time. If Starks improves his pass blocking it wouldn't shock me at all to see him become a RB2 with upside in 2011.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think that if Starks could pass block as reliably as Grant, he'd get the majority of the touches. As it stands, he can't, and that muddles things even on passing downs.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Not really... but you have a point as it wasn't as untouched as I thought. The blocking did get him the first 10 yards, then he made contact around the 5 yard line and his momentum got him into the end zone. He never broke a solid tackle though -- more brush off type stuff (although I know he made it look easier than it is). Can we insert youtube here?
I stand by my statement that Grant would have scored on that play too.
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GreenNGold
Footballguy
I like Starks more than Grant... but at the same time Grant is more proven than Starks. Grant looked much better tonight than he did in the pre-season to me (and I'm a Starks owner). For me, the upside for Starks is maxing out at what Grant has already done. So, if Grant can bounce back from his injury, he is going to out-produce Starks THIS YEAR. Starks has shown he can produce, but he has never shown that super-star ability to exceed what Grant has already done. He could, he just hasn't shown it yet. With Grant's renegotiated contract, the "#1" job is his to lose as well. I put "#1" in quotes as it is going to be more of a split in production, which really hurts owners of either back this year, especially in a pass-first offense.
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BallparkFrank
Footballguy
Did Alex Green get any PT at all on 3rd down, I didn't notice?
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Footballguy
And Starks also blew an assignment on a rushing play, resulting in Rodgers getting sacked.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
Starks seemed to be on the field a lot more than Grant. Given the lead that GB was nursing, I would have expected Grant to be in there unless it got to third and long. Both looked fine running the ball, though Starks has better acceleration. I think this is a race to stay healthy the longest, then that player will be the one to own.
Mr Rodgers neighborhood
Footballguy
Starks wiffing on a third down blitz pickup probably played his way out of third down tonight.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Both are merely BYE week replacements only unless one of them gets hurt. 50-60 yards and an occasional TD is about all they will produce. RBBC's suck
seems the most important takeaway from this game. i have starks on a few teams and am pleased given where i drafted him at due to his apparent guaranteed touches but he has an uphill battle for more upside.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Starks looked marginally better.Had a great TD run...had a bad miss on a blitz pickup (where as Grant had a great one of Vilma earlier).There was also a miscommunication with Starks and Rodgers that resulted in a loss of yards when one of them went the wrong way.
geoff8695
Footballguy
Starks hits the hole better and when he makes contact he's pushing the pile better, or knocking guys down and keeping truckin'. Grant isn't chopped liver, but whether his skills have eroded some (age/injuries robbing him a bit perhaps) or whether Starks is just more talented/younger I can't say. Fortunately for Grant, he has an edge on blocking and experience within this offense, so he's not going to just be cast aside. However, as SSOG said the writing is on the wall. Choose to ignore it at your own peril...
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Division of labor was pretty even tonight but with Grant, what you see is what you get. I don't see upside here at all. He just doesn't have it. Starks, on the other hand, has got that edge. Teach him a few things, help him learn to read defenses, pick up blitzes, and he'll be very solid. Hard hitter with good hands and ability to pull off a strong 20 yard run. I like that.
Neither Grant nor Starks is special at all. The offense is so prolific, however, and defenses will leave huge gaps for runners due to having to key on stopping the pass, so that any runner who plays for the Packers will usually look good. I took a flyer on Alex Green in a keeper league, hoping that between the mediocrity of both the guys in front of him and their injury histories, he might get a chance.
thekidd2009
Footballguy
jantoniosus
Footballguy
The carries where not off by much, Starks 12 and Grant 9, and the ypc was not much different with Starts at 4.8 and Grants at 4.4.... but if you watched the game, the Packers clearly feel comfortable having Starks in there on 3rd down and passing downs (even though he missed his block and was responsible for a sack). Think this says a lot about Starks role on this offense.
griff321
Footballguy
Really!?I think Starks is talented enough to take over this RBBC and be exactly the kind of player that wins a league.
The only question now is how long will it take?
GreenNGold
Footballguy
I really disagree. I think Starks (and same with Grant) is a top 20 RB at best. That will not win you a league. We are not talking about homeruns here, we are talking about just hoping for an average performance when you start either of them.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think it worked out exactly how the Packers wanted. Starks provides a spark, keeps Grant hungry and working for his spot (like taking a pay cut) and the explosive passing game allows both to be productive on the ground.
Fantasy-wise I don't feel good about either as a consistent starter in 2011. But football wise, it's more rushing production than a talented passing team like the Packers needs. Just more headaches for opposing defensive coordinators.
Fantasy-wise I don't feel good about either as a consistent starter in 2011. But football wise, it's more rushing production than a talented passing team like the Packers needs. Just more headaches for opposing defensive coordinators.
