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RIP Ryan Grant (1 Viewer)

Situation is brutal for fantasy purposes. Grant and Starks are basically fighting over 10 fantasy points in total yardage a week, and it looks like TDs will be few and far between. For those keeping score of team rushing TDs, its:

Rodgers: 2

Khun: 2

Starks: 1

Grant: 0

 
Saw a few things last night.

Grant fumbles (very rare for him)...Starks started getting more work.

However...both looked decent running the ball.

The difference showed in blitz pickup again.

Starks missed at least one where he still keeps with the playaction fake.

Grant abandoned the fake to pick up the blitz and I believe Rodgers had the time and then threw a TD pass on that play.

 
Saw a few things last night.Grant fumbles (very rare for him)...Starks started getting more work.However...both looked decent running the ball.The difference showed in blitz pickup again.Starks missed at least one where he still keeps with the playaction fake.Grant abandoned the fake to pick up the blitz and I believe Rodgers had the time and then threw a TD pass on that play.
The coaching staff has already said they are more confident with Starks in pass protection. Starks didn't "miss" that block, the play was just blown up. You don't abandon the PA before you even do the fake... you run it through and many times that guy rushing through will peel off and run at the RB or he will simply halt his run toward the QB to avoid a penalty. That wasn't Starks block to make. The defender came inside while Starks was faking outside. Grant actually had horrible fumbling issues when he first started to break out with the Packers. Grant had already lost a ton of ground to Starks and his fumbling issues coming back are the last thing that he needed.
 
Saw a few things last night.Grant fumbles (very rare for him)...Starks started getting more work.However...both looked decent running the ball.The difference showed in blitz pickup again.Starks missed at least one where he still keeps with the playaction fake.Grant abandoned the fake to pick up the blitz and I believe Rodgers had the time and then threw a TD pass on that play.
The coaching staff has already said they are more confident with Starks in pass protection. Starks didn't "miss" that block, the play was just blown up. You don't abandon the PA before you even do the fake... you run it through and many times that guy rushing through will peel off and run at the RB or he will simply halt his run toward the QB to avoid a penalty. That wasn't Starks block to make. The defender came inside while Starks was faking outside. Grant actually had horrible fumbling issues when he first started to break out with the Packers. Grant had already lost a ton of ground to Starks and his fumbling issues coming back are the last thing that he needed.
Wasn't that the first fumble for Grant in 325 touches?
 
Saw a few things last night.Grant fumbles (very rare for him)...Starks started getting more work.However...both looked decent running the ball.The difference showed in blitz pickup again.Starks missed at least one where he still keeps with the playaction fake.Grant abandoned the fake to pick up the blitz and I believe Rodgers had the time and then threw a TD pass on that play.
The coaching staff has already said they are more confident with Starks in pass protection. Starks didn't "miss" that block, the play was just blown up. You don't abandon the PA before you even do the fake... you run it through and many times that guy rushing through will peel off and run at the RB or he will simply halt his run toward the QB to avoid a penalty. That wasn't Starks block to make. The defender came inside while Starks was faking outside. Grant actually had horrible fumbling issues when he first started to break out with the Packers. Grant had already lost a ton of ground to Starks and his fumbling issues coming back are the last thing that he needed.
He has missed that block many times. At least 3 times this year he has carried out a fake and missed the blitz pickup.It was less about him missing that block (it was a bust, whether it was on him or Rodgers).And yes...you do abandon the PA if your QB will get sacked...Grant did it and they scored...they have mentioned this on broadcasts that the back has to see the blitz coming and has to peel off to make sure the QB does not get hit. The fake does not matter if your QB ends up on the turf.Grant did not have a horrid fumbling issue. He had the fumbles in the playoff game...he had a few in 2008...then very few after that (I think only one in 2009 and it had been about 300+ carries until another last night). Which is why I said it was a rare fumble.As for the ground he lost to Grant...did you watch the Chicago game?
 
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Saw a few things last night.Grant fumbles (very rare for him)...Starks started getting more work.However...both looked decent running the ball.The difference showed in blitz pickup again.Starks missed at least one where he still keeps with the playaction fake.Grant abandoned the fake to pick up the blitz and I believe Rodgers had the time and then threw a TD pass on that play.
The coaching staff has already said they are more confident with Starks in pass protection. Starks didn't "miss" that block, the play was just blown up. You don't abandon the PA before you even do the fake... you run it through and many times that guy rushing through will peel off and run at the RB or he will simply halt his run toward the QB to avoid a penalty. That wasn't Starks block to make. The defender came inside while Starks was faking outside. Grant actually had horrible fumbling issues when he first started to break out with the Packers. Grant had already lost a ton of ground to Starks and his fumbling issues coming back are the last thing that he needed.
Did you watch that game? Starks was his regular old matador on that one. There was a reason that Green came in on the next play for his only run - it's so the coaches could yell at Stark
 
Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

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I will go ahead and take the RB coach's word over your biased opinions... thanks. You guys don't read the plays well. Starks was running outside on a fake when the man came running in free on the inside... Starks CAN'T pick that up and it isn't his job. Sometimes, plays just get blown up and you can't blame that on someone who was doing what he is called to do. Yes, you halt on fakes to block when the defender is coming in your direction... but you certainly can't be expected to block inside after an outside fake... that's just illogical.

 
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Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

Per Rotoworld

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I will go ahead and take the RB coaches word over your biased opinions... thanks.
he clearly has Starks on his team...
 
Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

Per Rotoworld

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I will go ahead and take the RB coaches word over your biased opinions... thanks.
Then how about an unbiased opinion? Starks was horrible in protection last night, as anyone who watched the game can tell you. Grant was impressive protecting his QB. I own neither RB.Oh, and three week old coachspeak?

:lol: AND :lmao:

Great stuff, keep 'em coming.

 
Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

Per Rotoworld

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I will go ahead and take the RB coaches word over your biased opinions... thanks.
he clearly has Starks on his team...
Clearly these guys don't have Starks, which is why they are holding onto this horrible thought that Ryan Grant has any value at all. Starks is the RB to own in GB and it isn't even close. Even worse... Starks himself isn't worth much in that offense, they just don't use their running game enough for either back to be highly successful for fantasy play. However, if I am going to own any RB on that team, it's Starks who gets more carries, targets in the passing game, and overall snaps. I wouldn't pick Ryan Grant up if he was on the waiver wire.
 
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Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

Per Rotoworld

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I will go ahead and take the RB coaches word over your biased opinions... thanks.
he clearly has Starks on his team...
Clearly these guys don't have Starks, which is why they are holding onto this horrible thought that Ryan Grant has any value at all. Starks is the RB to own in GB and it isn't even close. Even worse... Starks himself isn't worth much in that offense, they just don't use their running game enough for either back to be highly successful for fantasy play. However, if I am going to own any RB on that team, it's Starks who gets more carries, targets in the passing game, and overall snaps. I wouldn't pick Ryan Grant up if he was on the waiver wire.
I'm not so sure that there is a RB to own in GB. 12 for 40 and 0 TDs is not helping anybody's fantasy team.
 
Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

Per Rotoworld

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I will go ahead and take the RB coach's word over your biased opinions... thanks. You guys don't read the plays well. Starks was running outside on a fake when the man came running in free on the inside... Starks CAN'T pick that up and it isn't his job. Sometimes, plays just get blown up and you can't blame that on someone who was doing what he is called to do. Yes, you halt on fakes to block when the defender is coming in your direction... but you certainly can't be expected to block inside after an outside fake... that's just illogical.
When was that quote?Oh, thats right...before the week 2 game against Carolina.

Starks has missed several of these blocks where the announcers (guys that have played the game) have stated the same things we are saying here.

And the blitz was not from the inside...and guess what, the point here is that watching Grant this year, he is making better blitz pickups...he will not keep up the PA fake and leave a guy nearly running free. And it has worked out and we had an example of it last night.

 
Oh, and Im a fan of the team.

I don't have either RB and have said over and over that it will likely just continue to be RBBC with neither being a consistent starter. Even said earlier in the year that I expected the balance of carries to shift to Starks later in the year. Right now, Im not so sure that will even happen.

 
Oh, and Im a fan of the team.I don't have either RB and have said over and over that it will likely just continue to be RBBC with neither being a consistent starter. Even said earlier in the year that I expected the balance of carries to shift to Starks later in the year. Right now, Im not so sure that will even happen.
It already has happened. For the love of god, Grant has only outproduced Starks in one game this year. In every other game, Starks has more yards, more touches, and more snaps. What else does it take? This mythical "blitz pickup" problem that everyone on this website seems to be in love with doesn't seem to be an issue with the coaching staff. Somehow, Rodgers is putting up monster numbers, and Starks is normally the man in the backfield on passing downs. They haven't changed that... and there is no reason to assume that they will. They believe that Starks is a better RB, better in pass protection... and a better receiving back. I really don't see how Grant has any value. Also YES, the blitz came from the INSIDE of the lineman that was standing between Starks and the man rushing in on that fake. No way can Stark make that block. His only hope is that the guy bites on the fake. Also, I already said myself that I don't think either of them have huge value for Fantasy. Starks could possibly have decent value if his role continues to grow. Of course, generally with more and more opportunities comes more production.
 
Oh, and Im a fan of the team.I don't have either RB and have said over and over that it will likely just continue to be RBBC with neither being a consistent starter. Even said earlier in the year that I expected the balance of carries to shift to Starks later in the year. Right now, Im not so sure that will even happen.
It already has happened. For the love of god, Grant has only outproduced Starks in one game this year. In every other game, Starks has more yards, more touches, and more snaps. What else does it take? This mythical "blitz pickup" problem that everyone on this website seems to be in love with doesn't seem to be an issue with the coaching staff. Somehow, Rodgers is putting up monster numbers, and Starks is normally the man in the backfield on passing downs. They haven't changed that... and there is no reason to assume that they will. They believe that Starks is a better RB, better in pass protection... and a better receiving back. I really don't see how Grant has any value. Also YES, the blitz came from the INSIDE of the lineman that was standing between Starks and the man rushing in on that fake. No way can Stark make that block. His only hope is that the guy bites on the fake. Also, I already said myself that I don't think either of them have huge value for Fantasy. Starks could possibly have decent value if his role continues to grow. Of course, generally with more and more opportunities comes more production.
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Oh, and Im a fan of the team.I don't have either RB and have said over and over that it will likely just continue to be RBBC with neither being a consistent starter. Even said earlier in the year that I expected the balance of carries to shift to Starks later in the year. Right now, Im not so sure that will even happen.
It already has happened. For the love of god, Grant has only outproduced Starks in one game this year. In every other game, Starks has more yards, more touches, and more snaps. What else does it take? This mythical "blitz pickup" problem that everyone on this website seems to be in love with doesn't seem to be an issue with the coaching staff. Somehow, Rodgers is putting up monster numbers, and Starks is normally the man in the backfield on passing downs. They haven't changed that... and there is no reason to assume that they will. They believe that Starks is a better RB, better in pass protection... and a better receiving back. I really don't see how Grant has any value. Also YES, the blitz came from the INSIDE of the lineman that was standing between Starks and the man rushing in on that fake. No way can Stark make that block. His only hope is that the guy bites on the fake. Also, I already said myself that I don't think either of them have huge value for Fantasy. Starks could possibly have decent value if his role continues to grow. Of course, generally with more and more opportunities comes more production.
Sanders TKO2 Wlad.
haha ESB!
 
Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

Per Rotoworld

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I will go ahead and take the RB coach's word over your biased opinions... thanks. You guys don't read the plays well. Starks was running outside on a fake when the man came running in free on the inside... Starks CAN'T pick that up and it isn't his job. Sometimes, plays just get blown up and you can't blame that on someone who was doing what he is called to do. Yes, you halt on fakes to block when the defender is coming in your direction... but you certainly can't be expected to block inside after an outside fake... that's just illogical.
Thanks for confirming you didn't watch the game.NEXT!

 
Oh, and Im a fan of the team.I don't have either RB and have said over and over that it will likely just continue to be RBBC with neither being a consistent starter. Even said earlier in the year that I expected the balance of carries to shift to Starks later in the year. Right now, Im not so sure that will even happen.
It already has happened. For the love of god, Grant has only outproduced Starks in one game this year. In every other game, Starks has more yards, more touches, and more snaps. What else does it take? This mythical "blitz pickup" problem that everyone on this website seems to be in love with doesn't seem to be an issue with the coaching staff. Somehow, Rodgers is putting up monster numbers, and Starks is normally the man in the backfield on passing downs. They haven't changed that... and there is no reason to assume that they will. They believe that Starks is a better RB, better in pass protection... and a better receiving back. I really don't see how Grant has any value. Also YES, the blitz came from the INSIDE of the lineman that was standing between Starks and the man rushing in on that fake. No way can Stark make that block. His only hope is that the guy bites on the fake. Also, I already said myself that I don't think either of them have huge value for Fantasy. Starks could possibly have decent value if his role continues to grow. Of course, generally with more and more opportunities comes more production.
So you are going to ignore that one game was pretty recent and Starks did little the last two games and no better than what Grant has done?It has not totally happened just yet.And nothing is mythical about what they are doing this season as far as blitz pickups.Yet you found a quote from after week one claiming Starks was better (a quote likely lifted from training camp).Im telling you what me and other fans are actually seeing in his blitz pickup.Im telling you that Starks is missing quite a few of them...and Grant is hitting them.Im telling you that the announcers are noticing the same things.And that despite all you claim, Grant is who is in there to start each game when he is not out with a bruised Kidney...and Grant is the one with a game showing that he is a starting RB this season and Starks does not have a game such as that at this point.
 
Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

Per Rotoworld

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I will go ahead and take the RB coaches word over your biased opinions... thanks.
Then how about an unbiased opinion? Starks was horrible in protection last night, as anyone who watched the game can tell you. Grant was impressive protecting his QB. I own neither RB.Oh, and three week old coachspeak?

:lol: AND :lmao:

Great stuff, keep 'em coming.
according to pff, grant pass blocked on 7 plays and grant on 4. and, fwiw, they rated starks' blocking slightly better.
 
Packers RBs coach Jerry Fontenot conceded that James Starks is a better pass blocker than Ryan Grant and plays in all spread formations.

The Packers love to use the spread to exploit one-on-one matchups, so Starks will continue to play more snaps than Grant. Fontenot also says Starks has a leg up with "his ability to run in space" and "to digest what the defense is giving us and being able to pass protect." It's clear Starks is going to be the lead back in Green Bay. He's a recommended RB2 against Carolina.

Per Rotoworld

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I will go ahead and take the RB coach's word over your biased opinions... thanks. You guys don't read the plays well. Starks was running outside on a fake when the man came running in free on the inside... Starks CAN'T pick that up and it isn't his job. Sometimes, plays just get blown up and you can't blame that on someone who was doing what he is called to do. Yes, you halt on fakes to block when the defender is coming in your direction... but you certainly can't be expected to block inside after an outside fake... that's just illogical.
So our words are illogical and you take a camp like quote that then mentioned week 2 as gospel on blocking abilities.Care to listen to the guy's QB? Or is he illogical too?

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=71&c=1191&f=224651

21 minutes in.

You will hear words like frustrating and repeat mistake when discussing Starks missing a blocking assignment and Rodgers saying exactly what happened.

For those that will claim he is throwing the kid under the bus...he also praises him quite a bit in this.

 
Football guys have Starks ranked pretty high early on this week, especially in comparison to Grant. I hate having to start Starks, but he seems to be my bye week filler every week. I guess he could be a play against the Rams D.

 
Looks like a clearly split backfield to me. DOn't see that changing unless someone gets hurt.
three weeks and six pages later, still the best post in the thread
One month later, and still the only post in this thread worth reading.
as if most of the people in this thread didn't already say the exact same thing. why did you pick this particular post to anoint? it's hardly special.
 

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