Rivers drops from 13th to 23rd...why? (1 Viewer)

[PugMac]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.

First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why?

What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

 

[DanFouts]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why? What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

Mile Hile is no place for visitors.......I think Brees always had crappy numbers there. So, I imagine projections are tainted by this. Love the Chargers, but doubt they win there this week.

 

[diesel7982]

Would imagine Parker's and Floyd's status affected this also.

 

[packersfan]

Would imagine Parker's and Floyd's status affected this also.

Latest reports I've seen from San Diego say both are expected to play.

 

[Gargoylez]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why? What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

Dropped to 23rd??? Thats a friggen HORRIBLE rank.BGrad is higher then him? JHarrington???Oy Vey... does anyone proof these?

 

[yinzer]

Denver might be 29th in yards allowed, but theyve only given up 6 passing TDs this year, #1 on the league.

I sat him last week for Delhomme and regret it, but im sitting him again this week and think it should pan out with Delhomme vs STL

 

[BassNBrew]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why? What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

Dropped to 23rd??? Thats a friggen HORRIBLE rank.BGrad is higher then him? JHarrington???Oy Vey... does anyone proof these?

Nope...Dodds just throws darts at a dart board.

 

[Gargoylez]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why? What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

Dropped to 23rd??? Thats a friggen HORRIBLE rank.BGrad is higher then him? JHarrington???Oy Vey... does anyone proof these?

Nope...Dodds just throws darts at a dart board.

So BGrad is going to have a better game then Rivers? You truly beleive that?

 

[AB in DC]

BGrad is playing the worst pass D in the league.

 

[BassNBrew]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why? What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

Dropped to 23rd??? Thats a friggen HORRIBLE rank.BGrad is higher then him? JHarrington???Oy Vey... does anyone proof these?

Nope...Dodds just throws darts at a dart board.

So BGrad is going to have a better game then Rivers? You truly beleive that?

All I know is that 80% of the time someone calls out Dodds and says he's on crack, they end up looking foolish on Monday.

 

[Gargoylez]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why? What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

Dropped to 23rd??? Thats a friggen HORRIBLE rank.BGrad is higher then him? JHarrington???Oy Vey... does anyone proof these?

Nope...Dodds just throws darts at a dart board.

So BGrad is going to have a better game then Rivers? You truly beleive that?

All I know is that 80% of the time someone calls out Dodds and says he's on crack, they end up looking foolish on Monday.

WEll lets see.#1. Denvers Passing defense is poor. Yeah the TD's arent there but the yardage and completions are there.#2. Denver will most likely go all out and try and stop tomlinson, giving Rivers a better chance to go down field.#3. The fact that there are JHarrington, Gradkowski in front of him is the main reason WHY I am questioning it. #4. Having him LOW is one thing but barely a QB#2? Thats unacceptable IMO.I never said he was on crack. Dodds is a very good projector... but sometimes I find some of them to be OFF THE HOOK crazy.

 

[GDogg]

Because the rankings are based off fantasy points and not merely defensive ranks (which obviously play a part).

Denver is allowing between the 2nd and 4th fewest fantasy points to opposing QB's in the league, depending on your scoring. Denver is at home where they are notoriously tough.

Rivers could have a great game (I think he's an excellent QB right now), but the odds are against him as very few QB's this season have had great [fantasy] games against Denver.

Rivers at 23, while being a little low is probably pretty close to the mark. Rivers is #6 in my league's scoring to date. Let's just average Rivers ranking with Denver's ranking - 31 (2nd toughest), and you get an average rank of 18.5.

23 seems about right, considering this is on the road.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Because the rankings are based off fantasy points and not merely defensive ranks (which obviously play a part).Denver is allowing between the 2nd and 4th fewest fantasy points to opposing QB's in the league, depending on your scoring. Denver is at home where they are notoriously tough.Rivers could have a great game (I think he's an excellent QB right now), but the odds are against him as very few QB's this season have had great [fantasy] games against Denver. Rivers at 23, while being a little low is probably pretty close to the mark. Rivers is #6 in my league's scoring to date. Let's just average Rivers ranking with Denver's ranking - 31 (2nd toughest), and you get an average rank of 18.5.23 seems about right, considering this is on the road.

I'm starting him anyway. Rivers has put up big stats in his big games so far. I have no doubt Denver is going to sell out to stop LT, Rivers is going to have his opportunity for a big game. Sometimes you go against Dodds, if you have faith in your own ability to judge QB ranks, this is one of those times to go against him.

 

[bonesman]

does anyone know what Rivers' QB rating is on the road?

IIRC, it's a league leading 103.something.

take that into consideration if you haven't already.

 

[PugMac]

Denver will have to stop LT and they will do everything they can to do that. I don't see Rivers being a top 5 or 10 this week (would like it), but SD just has way too much talent around him for him to be 23rd...there is just no way.

I am starting him over Plummer (14th) and I would bet just about anyone that Rivers out scores him.

Carr (11th) vs Buf?

Garrard (13) vs NYG?

Plummer (14) vs SD?

Harrington (16) vs Min?

Gradkowski(18) vs Was?

How are these guys ranked higher, just no way. I like him better then a bunch of others myself, but can understand the arguement for the other guy.

 

[yinzer]

does anyone know what Rivers' QB rating is on the road?IIRC, it's a league leading 103.something.take that into consideration if you haven't already.

Didn't know that, and its definitely something to considerDenver only giving up 6 passing TDs all year concerns me though....What I do like the more I think of it though is:1) San Diego has no #1 WR, therefore Champ can't really shut any big target down vs. SD2) Broncos D have given up more pass completions than any other team in the NFL (Pass yards ~28th)3) Rivers doesn't really turn the ball over (3 INTs) or force plays that aren't there4) Against QBs you might consider to start fantasy wise this year, most have had serviceable or better games:Bulger: 18/34 217 0 TDs/0 INT (granted it was week 1 too)Brady: 31/55 320 0/0Peyton: 32/39 345 3/0Roethlisberger: 38/54 433 1/3 ....Teams are throwing a lot on Denver, not getting picked off much, and potential starters have done decent (although you might argue Roeth being a potential starter as well as having a good game). I only list 4 because the other guys theyve faced are Walter twice, Frye, McNair, and Huard in his first startIm still wary, but starting to convince myself on pulling the trigger and starting him. Its hard for me to see him not getting 250 1/0 with a better chance at 2 TDs than 1. Not sure about the risk/reward though, especially after coming off his career game

 

[Tau837]

1) San Diego has no #1 WR, therefore Champ can't really shut any big target down vs. SD

If I'm not mistaken, Champ usually covers Gates, and Gates usually has subpar games against Denver. So I think Champ does get assigned to a big target against San Diego, and he does a good job on him. I think SSOG or Maurile (or both) posted on this a while back with specifics.

 

[Gargoylez]

Because the rankings are based off fantasy points and not merely defensive ranks (which obviously play a part).Denver is allowing between the 2nd and 4th fewest fantasy points to opposing QB's in the league, depending on your scoring. Denver is at home where they are notoriously tough.Rivers could have a great game (I think he's an excellent QB right now), but the odds are against him as very few QB's this season have had great [fantasy] games against Denver. Rivers at 23, while being a little low is probably pretty close to the mark. Rivers is #6 in my league's scoring to date. Let's just average Rivers ranking with Denver's ranking - 31 (2nd toughest), and you get an average rank of 18.5.23 seems about right, considering this is on the road.

13th actually sounded about right... I would of accepted 16th. 23rd? I mean might as well cut the guy and get someone who can play like Gradkowski, obviously better going against a decent defense and ranked HIGHER.Ok I am being over the top but the point is, it is a poor ranking. If LT was injured, I can see this, but he isn't and Denver will bring the house to stop him giving Rivers every opp to get the ball down field.I don't think Rivers should break a starting lineup (i.e. top 12). But barely make a suitable QB#2?? No.

 

[Bri]

Keenan's been "nothing" this year and Vincent Jackson has been even less. Parker and Floyd are expected to play but there's no bets on how much. Aside from Gates, Osgood or the two PS players(Ricky Bryant and ...grrr somewhat catchy name did esp good 2 years ago in preseason) seems to be all that's left. It's hard to get behind that.

 

[Sputnikv8]

The rankings should be looked at with the projections to support them. QB11 - QB23 only have about 2 points different.

Not that big of a drop really. All are about the same. (You can draw the line anywhere and the difference really isn't that big -- but you have to tier them somehow).

Look at the the projections to shed more light on the cheatsheets.

 

[Bri]

does anyone know what Rivers' QB rating is on the road?IIRC, it's a league leading 103.something.take that into consideration if you haven't already.

even the best QBs will struggle if you take away their WRs or if their WRs are all playing less than at their best. IMO this has little bearing this week. That's what he did with a healthier WR corps

 

[yinzer]

1) San Diego has no #1 WR, therefore Champ can't really shut any big target down vs. SD

If I'm not mistaken, Champ usually covers Gates, and Gates usually has subpar games against Denver. So I think Champ does get assigned to a big target against San Diego, and he does a good job on him. I think SSOG or Maurile (or both) posted on this a while back with specifics.

I see what you're saying, but Gates doesn't have the most receptions on the team (5 less than LT), and has the most yards by only 27 (to Parker). What I meant was saying that Rivers spreads the ball around pretty good, and although Champ might take away Gates (surprised to hear he would cover him acutally, and has shut him down w/ his size, but anyway), Rivers relies on him a lot less than BreesIf FLoyd and Parker wouldnt play, that would be huge, but from what Ive heard theyre both expected to play

 

[Banger]

does anyone know what Rivers' QB rating is on the road?IIRC, it's a league leading 103.something.take that into consideration if you haven't already.

even the best QBs will struggle if you take away their WRs or if their WRs are all playing less than at their best. IMO this has little bearing this week. That's what he did with a healthier WR corps

His top two wr's are Gates/LT. Less than 1/2 of River's completions have gone to Wr's (43%) so they aren't as intergral in their offense as they are in say the Bronco's (61%), Cincy's (71%), etc. offenses. If they take away the wr's that means Gates/LT will go wild. I'd expect that they'd take their chances with the wideouts and concentrate on the real weapons (Gates/LT).

 

[Kleck]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why? What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

Dropped to 23rd??? Thats a friggen HORRIBLE rank.BGrad is higher then him? JHarrington???Oy Vey... does anyone proof these?

Nope...Dodds just throws darts at a dart board.

So BGrad is going to have a better game then Rivers? You truly beleive that?

Solid Keerock right there. ointsToGargoylez:

 

[Bri]

does anyone know what Rivers' QB rating is on the road?IIRC, it's a league leading 103.something.take that into consideration if you haven't already.

even the best QBs will struggle if you take away their WRs or if their WRs are all playing less than at their best. IMO this has little bearing this week. That's what he did with a healthier WR corps

His top two wr's are Gates/LT. Less than 1/2 of River's completions have gone to Wr's (43%) so they aren't as intergral in their offense as they are in say the Bronco's (61%), Cincy's (71%), etc. offenses. If they take away the wr's that means Gates/LT will go wild. I'd expect that they'd take their chances with the wideouts and concentrate on the real weapons (Gates/LT).

I hear ya but we're talking about a D with excellent LBs(for LT) and Champ(for Gates) that, for a change, can actually matchup with LT and Gates. I would figure this would be when those others have to come thru.

 

[Bri]

The rankings should be looked at with the projections to support them. QB11 - QB23 only have about 2 points different.

really? well this thread was interesting anyway

 

[BassNBrew]

If someone already posted on this, sorry but didn't see it.First off I was surprised to see Rivers was ranked 13th on the week 11 rankings, after going off Week 10. Now I check today (Friday 11/17) and he droped to 23rd? Why? What am I missing? Denver is ranked 29th vs the pass and 6th against the run...so wouldn't you think SD will have to pass more?

Dropped to 23rd??? Thats a friggen HORRIBLE rank.BGrad is higher then him? JHarrington???Oy Vey... does anyone proof these?

Nope...Dodds just throws darts at a dart board.

So BGrad is going to have a better game then Rivers? You truly beleive that?

Solid Keerock right there. ointsToGargoylez:

PASSING CP/AT YDS TD INT B. Gradkowski 14/21 178 2 1 plus 4 for 11 rushing.Dodds projection - 17 Bruce Gradkowski TB (vs WAS) 20 34 207 6.1 1.3 0.7 4 16

 

[Gargoylez]

Im not going to say nonny nonny boo boo here...

Rivers had a very good game...

I am not knocking him, this is one in very few that I think he dropped the ball on. He does a great job, I will never say anything different, but you just have to say "what was he thinking" once in a while... otherwise the success will go to his head

He was in the mix around 12-ish best QB, Dodd's original projections.

Anyways. Not a biggy, I just feel that sometimes looking at the wrong side of the stats (defensive) to decide a projection can weigh to heavy.

Besides injuries, Dodd was pretty on with the rest of the projections for QB's.

 

[BassNBrew]

Im not going to say nonny nonny boo boo here...Rivers had a very good game...I am not knocking him, this is one in very few that I think he dropped the ball on. He does a great job, I will never say anything different, but you just have to say "what was he thinking" once in a while... otherwise the success will go to his head He was in the mix around 12-ish best QB, Dodd's original projections. Anyways. Not a biggy, I just feel that sometimes looking at the wrong side of the stats (defensive) to decide a projection can weigh to heavy.Besides injuries, Dodd was pretty on with the rest of the projections for QB's.

Good call on your part!!!

 

[DanFouts]

Im not going to say nonny nonny boo boo here...Rivers had a very good game...I am not knocking him, this is one in very few that I think he dropped the ball on. He does a great job, I will never say anything different, but you just have to say "what was he thinking" once in a while... otherwise the success will go to his head He was in the mix around 12-ish best QB, Dodd's original projections. Anyways. Not a biggy, I just feel that sometimes looking at the wrong side of the stats (defensive) to decide a projection can weigh to heavy.Besides injuries, Dodd was pretty on with the rest of the projections for QB's.

I am very very happy to be wrong! He looked great! Loved that fade to VJ in the corner. I first thought he was just throwing it away!

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Granted their are still 2 QBs left to play this week, but right now Rivers ranks 12th in scoring in my league. Seems like #13 was closer then the #23.