ROAF? (1 Viewer)

[Chaser1439]

Why wouldnt Roaf go the normal route and hold a huge press conference to announce his retirement. Roaf is the one who enticed to the chiefs to make sure that Will Shields would playthis season. It seems to me that Roaf is confused on whether he should retire or stick it out one more year. I realize that his guy will probably not be able to walk in 10 years, but don't you think he could stick it out one more year so Larry Johnson can break all the records? NFL players can be so selfish sometimes!

Let me know what you think! Does Roaf retire or does he have a change of hear?

 

[redman]

Why wouldnt Roaf go the normal route and hold a huge press conference to announce his retirement. Roaf is the one who enticed to the chiefs to make sure that Will Shields would playthis season. It seems to me that Roaf is confused on whether he should retire or stick it out one more year. I realize that his guy will probably not be able to walk in 10 years, but don't you think he could stick it out one more year so Larry Johnson can break all the records? NFL players can be so selfish sometimes!Let me know what you think! Does Roaf retire or does he have a change of hear?

He's waiting for Joe Horn to announce it for him. Joe's his spokesperson on all personal matters.

 

[cantstop1999]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

 

[Borat]

...don't you think he could stick it out one more year so Larry Johnson can break all the records? NFL players can be so selfish sometimes!

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt. I know that they have no choice but to let him play (more or less), given his talent, but that's a pretty lame ploy and sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

 

[FUBAR]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt. I know that they have no choice but to let him play (more or less), given his talent, but that's a pretty lame ploy and sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

Maybe, but I think the other players will get over it. It's not like he's out there smokin' weed.

 

[joffer]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

what mean this?

 

[jurb26]

Maybe he wants traded and does not want to play for Edwards.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

what mean this?

Means that he'll "unretire" 2-3 weeks before the season starts.

 

[FUBAR]

Maybe he wants traded and does not want to play for Edwards.

Has a retired player ever been traded?

 

[massraider]

Why wouldnt Roaf go the normal route and hold a huge press conference to announce his retirement. Roaf is the one who enticed to the chiefs to make sure that Will Shields would playthis season. It seems to me that Roaf is confused on whether he should retire or stick it out one more year. I realize that his guy will probably not be able to walk in 10 years, but don't you think he could stick it out one more year so Larry Johnson can break all the records? NFL players can be so selfish sometimes!Let me know what you think! Does Roaf retire or does he have a change of hear?

He's waiting for Joe Horn to announce it for him. Joe's his spokesperson on all personal matters.

Took me a second, but I got that. Thumbs up.

 

[Joe Bryant]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt. I know that they have no choice but to let him play (more or less), given his talent, but that's a pretty lame ploy and sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

This won't be any problem for him if he does this. He's earned it. A young guy with no credibility built up might have a problem. Roaf can easily say he thought it over and realized how much he missed and decided to come back. I wouldn't be surprised at all.J

 

[FUBAR]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt. I know that they have no choice but to let him play (more or less), given his talent, but that's a pretty lame ploy and sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

This won't be any problem for him if he does this. He's earned it. A young guy with no credibility built up might have a problem. Roaf can easily say he thought it over and realized how much he missed and decided to come back. I wouldn't be surprised at all.J

Didn't that happen early last year? Or was that Shields?

 

[jurb26]

Maybe he wants traded and does not want to play for Edwards.

Has a retired player ever been traded?

Don't think so, just

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

This won't be any problem for him if he does this. He's earned it.J

Agree it won't be a problem for him. Disagree he's earned it (not signaling out Roaf, just don't think any player is bigger than the team).

 

[Borat]

This won't be any problem for him if he does this. He's earned it.J

Agree it won't be a problem for him. Disagree he's earned it (not signaling out Roaf, just don't think any player is bigger than the team).

 

[lastcall4oh]

This won't be any problem for him if he does this. He's earned it.J

Agree it won't be a problem for him. Disagree he's earned it (not signaling out Roaf, just don't think any player is bigger than the team).

What is a multiple year pro-bowler, future hall of fame Left Tackle going to learn in training camp?Is Herm going to tell him something he doesn't already know? Are they going to try to get him to try something new this year? I don't think so.Knock the stuffing out of the guy trying to get to the QB. Stand up. Repeat. Does he really need to be in training camp for that?He'll be back (at least I hope).

 

[jurb26]

What is a multiple year pro-bowler, future hall of fame Left Tackle going to learn in training camp?Is Herm going to tell him something he doesn't already know? Are they going to try to get him to try something new this year? I don't think so.

It's not about what he can learn (though I'm sure with 2 new coaches there is plenty to learn). It's about what he can teach and provide example of for the younger guys.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

What is a multiple year pro-bowler, future hall of fame Left Tackle going to learn in training camp?Is Herm going to tell him something he doesn't already know? Are they going to try to get him to try something new this year? I don't think so.

It's not about what he can learn (though I'm sure with 2 new coaches there is plenty to learn). It's about what he can teach and provide example of for the younger guys.

Bingo. You don't think the Chiefs rookies or UDFAs on the DL or LB crew couuld learn a thing or 5 matching up with a "multiple year pro-bowler, future hall of fame Left Tackle" ? How about the young guys on the OL? I think Roaf could teach them a lot as well. On top of that, he's telling everyone else on that team that he's better than them and deserves special treatment. Maybe he is, but that's not a way to carry yourself if you're looking to be a leader, which Roaf definately could/should act as if he's going to play this year.

 

[joffer]

if he's just being lazy, and he shows up the last week of preseason, i might resent that a little if i'm another Chiefs' player

however, if he really thinks that avoiding the first 2-3 weeks of camp will make it easier on his body and allow him to contribute more during the regular season, i'm fine with it.

or he's just done

probably only Willie knows the truth

 

[MLBrandow]

how many copycats will there be next season?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

however, if he really thinks that avoiding the first 2-3 weeks of camp will make it easier on his body and allow him to contribute more during the regular season, i'm fine with it.

Wouldn't that be something that should be decided with counsel from the Chiefs training crew?

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

Because if he announced he's retiring, he'd probably going to have to say "I want to spend more time with my wife and Joe Horn's family."

 

[DeCleater]

This is a smart move by Roaf, why put his knees through the grind of training camp when he doesn't have many games left in those knees. Save it for when it counts.

 

[Joe Bryant]

What is a multiple year pro-bowler, future hall of fame Left Tackle going to learn in training camp?Is Herm going to tell him something he doesn't already know? Are they going to try to get him to try something new this year? I don't think so.

It's not about what he can learn (though I'm sure with 2 new coaches there is plenty to learn). It's about what he can teach and provide example of for the younger guys.

Bingo. You don't think the Chiefs rookies or UDFAs on the DL or LB crew couuld learn a thing or 5 matching up with a "multiple year pro-bowler, future hall of fame Left Tackle" ? How about the young guys on the OL? I think Roaf could teach them a lot as well. On top of that, he's telling everyone else on that team that he's better than them and deserves special treatment. Maybe he is, but that's not a way to carry yourself if you're looking to be a leader, which Roaf definately could/should act as if he's going to play this year.

You guys are missing the point. This isn't about what "should" happen.This is about him getting on the field this year and what KC has to do to accomplish that. I believe they have two choices:1. Roaf stays retired.2. You let Roaf out of Training Camp and he comes back.What would you do?J

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

What is a multiple year pro-bowler, future hall of fame Left Tackle going to learn in training camp?Is Herm going to tell him something he doesn't already know? Are they going to try to get him to try something new this year? I don't think so.

It's not about what he can learn (though I'm sure with 2 new coaches there is plenty to learn). It's about what he can teach and provide example of for the younger guys.

Bingo. You don't think the Chiefs rookies or UDFAs on the DL or LB crew couuld learn a thing or 5 matching up with a "multiple year pro-bowler, future hall of fame Left Tackle" ? How about the young guys on the OL? I think Roaf could teach them a lot as well. On top of that, he's telling everyone else on that team that he's better than them and deserves special treatment. Maybe he is, but that's not a way to carry yourself if you're looking to be a leader, which Roaf definately could/should act as if he's going to play this year.

You guys are missing the point. This isn't about what "should" happen.This is about him getting on the field this year and what KC has to do to accomplish that. I believe they have two choices:1. Roaf stays retired.2. You let Roaf out of Training Camp and he comes back.What would you do?J

I'd do exactly what they are doing. I'd expect some criticism for it, though.

 

[FUBAR]

This is a smart move by Roaf, why put his knees through the grind of training camp when he doesn't have many games left in those knees. Save it for when it counts.

Now think about this part of the situation from the Chiefs perspective. Even if they know he's coming back, in a lot of ways it makes sense for them to allow him to miss camp, if it means playing more during the season.

 

[Marc Levin]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt.

I do not believe this is the first time a player has pulled this kind of thing to avoid TC/preseason. I think guys like Priest and Gonzo have done this thing before - held out on renegotiating a contract - just to skip the preseason.Roaf could EASILY have decided to skip August and "un-retire" sometime after Labor Day.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

This is the same reason why KC is almost always a veteran-laden team...the veterans love coming here beause its a country-club atmosphere...since 1989 at least. Marty let the inmates run the place.....Gunther just wanted to play football.....and DV was the hard-### and from what it sounds like, his players didnt like him a whole lot.

But being a KC fan for life, I am always somewhat cynical....i dont think he comes back.....but I dont think Turley will be much of a downgrade.

 

[massraider]

.....but I dont think Turley will be much of a downgrade.

Holy moley. I hope we find out.

 

[wannabee]

.....but I dont think Turley will be much of a downgrade.

Holy moley. I hope we find out.

never know how much is fluff this time of year, but I read he was impressive this past week in practice (Turley)

 

[massraider]

.....but I dont think Turley will be much of a downgrade.

Holy moley. I hope we find out.

never know how much is fluff this time of year, but I read he was impressive this past week in practice (Turley)

I have read that as well. But Turley impressing in camp is a looong way from filling Roaf's shoes.

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt.

I do not believe this is the first time a player has pulled this kind of thing to avoid TC/preseason. I think guys like Priest and Gonzo have done this thing before - held out on renegotiating a contract - just to skip the preseason.Roaf could EASILY have decided to skip August and "un-retire" sometime after Labor Day.

Wasn't Roaf in the Walter Jones program of getting the franchise tag slapped on him every year and holding out till right before the season year after year? If so perhaps he got spoiled missing camp,knows he doesn't really need it to play at Pro-bowl level and hates TC enough to do this. If I were the Chiefs I'd let him skip every thing until the final week before kickoff....and do it next year too if him and Shields want to practice their new Madden game on their PS3 all August 07 I'd let them.

 

[Billy1x]

Why wouldnt Roaf go the normal route and hold a huge press conference to announce his retirement. Roaf is the one who enticed to the chiefs to make sure that Will Shields would playthis season. It seems to me that Roaf is confused on whether he should retire or stick it out one more year. I realize that his guy will probably not be able to walk in 10 years, but don't you think he could stick it out one more year so Larry Johnson can break all the records? NFL players can be so selfish sometimes!Let me know what you think! Does Roaf retire or does he have a change of hear?

Sitting out preseason ala Walter Jones. He will return for the regular season. Offensive tackles do not normally need much preseason work so it will have no effect on his performance.

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

A question I'd have about this "retirement" plan would be what would stop younger guys like Deion Branch or Ashley Lelie to take this tactic too until traded or contract redone to their liking to avoid the 14,000 per day fine? Can't fine a retired guy right? Maybe collect some signing bonus back? Anyways if Roaf is doing this and I were Deion Brach or Lelies agent I'd be researching the possibilities. Seems When Kennison did his "Lelie" trying to get out from Skeletors grasp he "retired" and "unretired" quite quickly.

 

[Bri]

Waters still isn't officially retired either

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

Why wouldnt Roaf go the normal route and hold a huge press conference to announce his retirement. Roaf is the one who enticed to the chiefs to make sure that Will Shields would playthis season. It seems to me that Roaf is confused on whether he should retire or stick it out one more year. I realize that his guy will probably not be able to walk in 10 years, but don't you think he could stick it out one more year so Larry Johnson can break all the records? NFL players can be so selfish sometimes!Let me know what you think! Does Roaf retire or does he have a change of hear?

Sitting out preseason ala Walter Jones. He will return for the regular season. Offensive tackles do not normally need much preseason work so it will have no effect on his performance.

Billy agreed on most of this except "no effect on his performance." it will have a slight effect if like Walter Jones...Walters run blocking usually started a bit slower than stride he'd hit around midseason after his off-time.

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

Maybe Roaf is really retired. Maybe just saving $14,000 a day in fines by being "retired". I'd hate to guess right now..but with a #1 pick in a draft this week I'll at least consider Roaf coming back as a possibility.

 

[Marc Levin]

Maybe Roaf is really retired. Maybe just saving $14,000 a day in fines by being "retired".

That's how I saw it.

 

[nygiants56]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt. I know that they have no choice but to let him play (more or less), given his talent, but that's a pretty lame ploy and sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

true..but its no different than the Roger Clemens dog-n-pony show in Houston..players like Roaf, whether other teammates like it or not, have earned the right to do things like this.. this has become the trademark of the modern era of professional sports, unfortunately..there is no 'team' concept anymore, its all about 'me' nowadays with these athletes..

 

[Franknbeans]

Didn't that happen early last year? Or was that Shields?

It was Shields and I believe it was Roaf who talked him into coming back.

 

[joffer]

Waters still isn't officially retired either

do you mean Welbourn? Waters sprained his foot.

 

[Legion of Doom]

sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

Nah,to me its says become a perennial all pro and at the end of your carreer,we'll cut ya some slack!

 

[Warpig]

I have recently changed my stance on the Roaf retirement. I thought he was gonna retire for sure until my wife and I started talking about it last night. My wife is a lifelong Chiefs fan and loves football (her radio stationed is always tuned to the local sports talk radio shows!). She brought to my attention that Roaf almost tried pulling this last year as well. Apparently he doesn't like doing the training camps and it was rumored last year that he might retire just to get out of going to training camp. Players say its amazing to see him off the football field because he just looks like he's in so much pain and can hardly walk, yet when he's on the field he's pretty fast for his size and you can't even tell he's in pain. Ownership has asked him which home game he would like them to have his retirement ceremony at if he does retire and Roaf has told them to hold off on that. Don't you think if he were dead set on retiring he would tell them what game he wants to be retired in? He also hasn't returned phone calls from friends on the team. Probably because he really knows he's not gonna seriously retire and doesn't want to hear them try to talk him back.

He'll be suited up for the beginning of the season. No need to drop TG or LJ in rankings just yet.

 

[Bri]

Waters still isn't officially retired either

do you mean Welbourn? Waters sprained his foot.

yeah thanks

 

[Jason Wood]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt. I know that they have no choice but to let him play (more or less), given his talent, but that's a pretty lame ploy and sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

This won't be any problem for him if he does this. He's earned it. A young guy with no credibility built up might have a problem. Roaf can easily say he thought it over and realized how much he missed and decided to come back. I wouldn't be surprised at all.J

Exactly Joe Look, until Roaf files retirement papers with the league office, no one is convincing me he won't be opening up big holes for LJ to run through in Week One. There are ways Roaf could put all this to bed (file papers, have a press conference) and he's done none of them. At worst, he's not sure about Herm and his health and is on the fence. At best, he's pulling a stunt and is already committed to playing.

 

[Bri]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt. I know that they have no choice but to let him play (more or less), given his talent, but that's a pretty lame ploy and sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

true..but its no different than the Roger Clemens dog-n-pony show in Houston..players like Roaf, whether other teammates like it or not, have earned the right to do things like this.. this has become the trademark of the modern era of professional sports, unfortunately..there is no 'team' concept anymore, its all about 'me' nowadays with these athletes..

IF this situation pans out in this way-I don't disagree with your statement but I do think it's a terrible precedent if true. I just can't imagine the NFL or esp the NFLPA being at all pleased with this. Each hate a player holding out and they're fined for not reporting to practice for reporting to practice late too and...eh just take a few months off.On a personal level, Roaf better be in shape possibly paying a personal trainer during this time. It would be so short-sighted + naive to not be and he'd probably be likely to get hurt.

 

[Marc Levin]

sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

Nah,to me its says become a perennial all pro and at the end of your carreer,we'll cut ya some slack!

 

[Mr. Chumley]

simple he not. he just wants to skip tranning camp

I keep hearing this. If thats the case I think the Chiefs will look pretty bad if they allow him to pull this stunt. I know that they have no choice but to let him play (more or less), given his talent, but that's a pretty lame ploy and sends a terrible message to the Chiefs who are in camp busting their asses everyday in the heat

Who cares. I have the #1 pick in my draft and I need him there blocking for LJ.

 

[Borat]

I'd do exactly what they are doing. I'd expect some criticism for it, though.

I'd expect worse than that. I'd expect other players to question why training camp is so important and why they should even be giving 100%. Whether or not he realizes it, a future Hall of Famer like Roaf is setting an example for the younger players on the team.Like it or not, and whether it's fair or not, giving preferential treatment is not exactly a cornerstone for getting players to come together as a team.