Roethlisberger (1 Viewer)

[bigbottom]

I may not be the only one needing to make a decision on Roethlisberger given that he plays tonight. FBGs has him ranked as the #28 QB this week. I thought he looked decent last week coming back from his concussion (278 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). I understand that Hines is likely out, but the Browns passing D is pretty abysmal and Ben went off on them earlier in the season (417 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). Do you think the absence of Hines Ward is significant enough to drop Ben to one of the worst starting options this week?

 

[djcolts]

Maybe the weather report in Cleveland? I'm benching the Pitt kicker today because of the wind gusts.

 

[greenroom]

I may not be the only one needing to make a decision on Roethlisberger given that he plays tonight. FBGs has him ranked as the #28 QB this week. I thought he looked decent last week coming back from his concussion (278 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). I understand that Hines is likely out, but the Browns passing D is pretty abysmal and Ben went off on them earlier in the season (417 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). Do you think the absence of Hines Ward is significant enough to drop Ben to one of the worst starting options this week?

I think the ranking is more about the weather in Cleveland tonight than Ben or his Wr's

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

This is much more due to weather than his concussion or wards injury. Early weather reports had this game with huge wind gusts.

 

[Godsbrother]

I may not be the only one needing to make a decision on Roethlisberger given that he plays tonight. FBGs has him ranked as the #28 QB this week. I thought he looked decent last week coming back from his concussion (278 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). I understand that Hines is likely out, but the Browns passing D is pretty abysmal and Ben went off on them earlier in the season (417 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). Do you think the absence of Hines Ward is significant enough to drop Ben to one of the worst starting options this week?

I guess the concerns are the weather, Ward sitting out, the potential for the Steelers to get up and start grinding out the ball and the fact that Limas Sweed may see significant playing time tonight.I think they are legitimate concerns except that Bruce Arians will be unable to resist the temptaion to throw no matter what the circumstances are. My predicition, FWIW: 18/25 180 2 TDs, 1 INT

 

[bigbottom]

That makes sense. I'd even checked the weather report at Weather.com and it didn't look bad at all. Then I double-checked my search and saw that it was for Cleveland, TX. Whoops.

 

[ThaPenguin]

I may not be the only one needing to make a decision on Roethlisberger given that he plays tonight. FBGs has him ranked as the #28 QB this week. I thought he looked decent last week coming back from his concussion (278 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). I understand that Hines is likely out, but the Browns passing D is pretty abysmal and Ben went off on them earlier in the season (417 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). Do you think the absence of Hines Ward is significant enough to drop Ben to one of the worst starting options this week?

I guess the concerns are the weather, Ward sitting out, the potential for the Steelers to get up and start grinding out the ball and the fact that Limas Sweed may see significant playing time tonight.I think they are legitimate concerns except that Bruce Arians will be unable to resist the temptaion to throw no matter what the circumstances are.

My predicition, FWIW: 18/25 180 2 TDs, 1 INT

 

[bigbottom]

Is Brady Quinn really a better start? I guess CLE could be playing from behind.

 

[Moniker]

I'll go with the weather, also. I live in Cleveland and it's cold, very windy and snowing. The stadium is right next to the lake and it's even more windy there. Tonight it's going to get even colder and it's supposed to continue snowing.

 

[JJP]

I would rank Roethlisberger probably 2nd to last this week, with Brady Quinn a clear dead last. It has nothing to do with his ability. Its all about the wind and weather. I will admit if I had to pick one QB for bad weather in the NFL, it would be either Brady or Ben. Ben has probably had more experience in bad weather games than anybody in the past 2-3 years. High winds and a snowy field= more turnovers and less accurate passing.

 

[SwampDawg]

I'm going with Garrard due to the weather myself, after looking at those box scores of the last 2 games played in Cleveland in snow and high winds it looks like a QB nightmare which hopefully means big things for Mendy tonight.

 

[AcerFC]

Otis is very upset about it FWIW

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Is Brady Quinn really a better start? I guess CLE could be playing from behind.

they're currently projected with identical point totals, but the Steelers secondary is a bit of a mess right now and Quinn has been playing well. Definitely a chance that the Steelers get up early and try to run out the clock with the Browns playing catch up during the second half.

 

[daveR]

Is Brady Quinn really a better start? I guess CLE could be playing from behind.

they're currently projected with identical point totals, but the Steelers secondary is a bit of a mess right now and Quinn has been playing well. Definitely a chance that the Steelers get up early and try to run out the clock with the Browns playing catch up during the second half.

Dude,The weather is SO BAD that I put Ben on the bench and picked up the Browns defense to start. DO NOT expect either QB to have even a decent game!The winds are supposed to be a MINIMUM of 25 mph.

 

[footballnerd]

Is Brady Quinn really a better start? I guess CLE could be playing from behind.

they're currently projected with identical point totals, but the Steelers secondary is a bit of a mess right now and Quinn has been playing well. Definitely a chance that the Steelers get up early and try to run out the clock with the Browns playing catch up during the second half.

Dude,The weather is SO BAD that I put Ben on the bench and picked up the Browns defense to start. DO NOT expect either QB to have even a decent game!The winds are supposed to be a MINIMUM of 25 mph.

That is not a bad play.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Is Brady Quinn really a better start? I guess CLE could be playing from behind.

they're currently projected with identical point totals, but the Steelers secondary is a bit of a mess right now and Quinn has been playing well. Definitely a chance that the Steelers get up early and try to run out the clock with the Browns playing catch up during the second half.

Dude,The weather is SO BAD that I put Ben on the bench and picked up the Browns defense to start. DO NOT expect either QB to have even a decent game!The winds are supposed to be a MINIMUM of 25 mph.

we're talking about QBs ranked in the mid-20s this week. nobody mentioned anything about either having a "good" game.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Yeah, not liking this. Big Ben would be good for 280+ and 2+ TDs if the weather was decent. It'd be a no brainer start. But with the weather conditions and Hines Ward dinged, I'm seriously thinking about putting Alex Smith in instead.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I see 100+ yards for Heath Miller along with several dumpoffs to the RBs. Roethlisberger should easily top 225 and 2 TDs. No way he's lower than 15th this week.

 

[PosterNutBag]

I see 100+ yards for Heath Miller along with several dumpoffs to the RBs. Roethlisberger should easily top 225 and 2 TDs. No way he's lower than 15th this week.

I agree he is clearly higher than 28th this week, but it is certainly plausible to say that he could have a game where he throws for 190 and 1 TD and the Steelers run for 200 yds (and probably get some key turnovers to shorten the field). My point is that 225 and 2 passing TDs is no lock in a very windy game. I don't think that is unreasonable and he could very well reach those levels (not question we would expect that in normal conditions). I could see him being the 20th best QB this week, though. 28 is probably too low, but like Rudnicki said the tier BigBen is in at #28 is only separated from the guy ranked #21 by a point.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Isn't the Browns front 7 decimated by injuries? Based on that and the weather, I see a whole lot of running from PIT tonight.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Isn't the Browns front 7 decimated by injuries? Based on that and the weather, I see a whole lot of running from PIT tonight.

Does spinning work in snow?

 

[AcerFC]

I see 100+ yards for Heath Miller along with several dumpoffs to the RBs. Roethlisberger should easily top 225 and 2 TDs. No way he's lower than 15th this week.

You have my attention since I am deciding on Miller and another TE. What makes you think he will have a good game when everyone is predicting no passing yards

 

[Otis]

Hadn't noticed BBs thread here, but at least I'm not on an island.

 

[PosterNutBag]

I see 100+ yards for Heath Miller along with several dumpoffs to the RBs. Roethlisberger should easily top 225 and 2 TDs. No way he's lower than 15th this week.

You have my attention since I am deciding on Miller and another TE. What makes you think he will have a good game when everyone is predicting no passing yards

People aren't saying no passing yards, but instead that passing in strong winds is tougher ... so that means short passes all night long, which probably means the TE will catch more than normal (and more than normal for Miller since Ward normally is his main competition for those balls). That said, it should be easier to defend the short passes so I am not sure it translates into 100+ yards for Miller (that is too optimistic IMO). The opportunity for Miller should more than be there, though.

 

[one time]

Hadn't noticed BBs thread here, but at least I'm not on an island.

The same camp as the guy that looked up Cleveland, TX for the game's weather

 

[TommyGilmore]

I see 100+ yards for Heath Miller along with several dumpoffs to the RBs. Roethlisberger should easily top 225 and 2 TDs. No way he's lower than 15th this week.

You have my attention since I am deciding on Miller and another TE. What makes you think he will have a good game when everyone is predicting no passing yards

1. Cleveland is the #28 fantasy defense vs. tight ends (and #32 since Week 6)2. last year Roethlisberger threw for 243/1 (and had a rushing TD) in a snowstorm, and Miller had 4/44/1. Granted, it wasn't as windy (11mph).3. in the last big wind-affected game in the NFL (Bears/49ers in 2005), Kyle Orton only threw for 67 yards -- but 43 of them went to the tight end.4. Miller catches most of his passes on short routes.5. Mendenhall is banged up, and Parker still isn't 100%. So, while the running game will certainly be heavily utilized, I just don't think they've got the horses to rely on it completely.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

3. in the last big wind-affected game in the NFL (Bears/49ers in 2005), Kyle Orton only threw for 67 yards -- but 43 of them went to the tight end.

Bills/Pats week 17 last year.http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008122802/2.../patriots@bills

Game ball

New England's special teams made the difference in a game played amid wind gusts of up to 55 miles per hour. Gostkowski connected on 2-of-3 field goals, while Chris Hanson averaged 48 yards on four punts.

Key stat

Both teams combined for just 33 pass attempts in a game dominated by the run. New England called 44 runs to Buffalo's 31 and won the time-of-possession battle 32:00 to 28:00.

Noteworthy

The wind was so strong the goal posts had to be straightened in the second quarter. ... The Bills did not attempt a pass in the first quarter.

passing stats for that game:Matt Cassel - 6 of 8 for 78 yards with 0 TDs, 0 INTs

Trent Edwards - 14 of 25 for 128 yards with 0 TDs, 0 INTs

 

[GroveDiesel]

3. in the last big wind-affected game in the NFL (Bears/49ers in 2005), Kyle Orton only threw for 67 yards -- but 43 of them went to the tight end.

Bills/Pats week 17 last year.http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2008122802/2.../patriots@bills

Game ball

New England's special teams made the difference in a game played amid wind gusts of up to 55 miles per hour. Gostkowski connected on 2-of-3 field goals, while Chris Hanson averaged 48 yards on four punts.

Key stat

Both teams combined for just 33 pass attempts in a game dominated by the run. New England called 44 runs to Buffalo's 31 and won the time-of-possession battle 32:00 to 28:00.

Noteworthy

The wind was so strong the goal posts had to be straightened in the second quarter. ... The Bills did not attempt a pass in the first quarter.

passing stats for that game:Matt Cassel - 6 of 8 for 78 yards with 0 TDs, 0 INTs

Trent Edwards - 14 of 25 for 128 yards with 0 TDs, 0 INTs

To be fair, 128 yards from Trent Edwards could have happened in a dome too. The wind tends not to affect balls thrown under 3 yards all that much.

 

[daveR]

Is Brady Quinn really a better start? I guess CLE could be playing from behind.

they're currently projected with identical point totals, but the Steelers secondary is a bit of a mess right now and Quinn has been playing well. Definitely a chance that the Steelers get up early and try to run out the clock with the Browns playing catch up during the second half.

Dude,The weather is SO BAD that I put Ben on the bench and picked up the Browns defense to start. DO NOT expect either QB to have even a decent game!The winds are supposed to be a MINIMUM of 25 mph.

So far, so good (at halftime).

 

[Your Mom]

Is Brady Quinn really a better start? I guess CLE could be playing from behind.

they're currently projected with identical point totals, but the Steelers secondary is a bit of a mess right now and Quinn has been playing well. Definitely a chance that the Steelers get up early and try to run out the clock with the Browns playing catch up during the second half.

Dude,The weather is SO BAD that I put Ben on the bench and picked up the Browns defense to start. DO NOT expect either QB to have even a decent game!The winds are supposed to be a MINIMUM of 25 mph.

So far, so good (at halftime).

 

[daveR]

YES!

 

[Abrantes]

Is Brady Quinn really a better start? I guess CLE could be playing from behind.

they're currently projected with identical point totals, but the Steelers secondary is a bit of a mess right now and Quinn has been playing well. Definitely a chance that the Steelers get up early and try to run out the clock with the Browns playing catch up during the second half.

Dude,The weather is SO BAD that I put Ben on the bench and picked up the Browns defense to start. DO NOT expect either QB to have even a decent game!The winds are supposed to be a MINIMUM of 25 mph.

So far, so good (at halftime).

Heck of a play there.

 

[nephilim]

in hindsight, 28 was way too high...

 

[EdwardCat]

in hindsight, 28 was way too high...

At least it wasn't as big of a swing-and-a-miss as Mendenhall's ranking.

 

[David Dodds]

The 28th ranking came out when I expected 40+ mph winds and Ward scratching. These were updated multiple times today and Ben did settle in as the 21st QB with Ward starting as usual and the winds not nearly as severe.

 

[Raider Nation]

In the last two games (Oakland/Cleveland) since Ben sustained his concussion, he is clearly looking at the pass rushers instead of looking downfield. Instead of taking off and escaping the pocket, he seems to curl up into a "please don't kill me" posture. Stunning to see from him.

I'm not hating on him... I love the guy. But this is very obvious.

 

[Otis]

The 28th ranking came out when I expected 40+ mph winds and Ward scratching. These were updated multiple times today and Ben did settle in as the 21st QB with Ward starting as usual and the winds not nearly as severe.

Credit where it's due. Never question DD.

 

[Godsbrother]

In the last two games (Oakland/Cleveland) since Ben sustained his concussion, he is clearly looking at the pass rushers instead of looking downfield. Instead of taking off and escaping the pocket, he seems to curl up into a "please don't kill me" posture. Stunning to see from him.

I'm not hating on him... I love the guy. But this is very obvious.

Oh he was looking but the Steelers WRs were not getting any separation at all. The Browns defensive backfield did an exceptional job in coverage last night.

 

[Comer]

I may not be the only one needing to make a decision on Roethlisberger given that he plays tonight. FBGs has him ranked as the #28 QB this week. I thought he looked decent last week coming back from his concussion (278 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). I understand that Hines is likely out, but the Browns passing D is pretty abysmal and Ben went off on them earlier in the season (417 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT). Do you think the absence of Hines Ward is significant enough to drop Ben to one of the worst starting options this week?

I guess the concerns are the weather, Ward sitting out, the potential for the Steelers to get up and start grinding out the ball and the fact that Limas Sweed may see significant playing time tonight.I think they are legitimate concerns except that Bruce Arians will be unable to resist the temptaion to throw no matter what the circumstances are. My predicition, FWIW: 18/25 180 2 TDs, 1 INT

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The 28th ranking came out when I expected 40+ mph winds and Ward scratching. These were updated multiple times today and Ben did settle in as the 21st QB with Ward starting as usual and the winds not nearly as severe.

Credit where it's due. Never question DD.

well he had mendenhall at like RB7, but he was right on with the BigBen call

 

[Chaka]

The 28th ranking came out when I expected 40+ mph winds and Ward scratching. These were updated multiple times today and Ben did settle in as the 21st QB with Ward starting as usual and the winds not nearly as severe.

Credit where it's due. Never question DD.

The 30 other QBs have finished their games already?Check the projections, of all the players going last night Big Ben was the only one that is even close to being accurate.

 

[BR33ZE]

The 28th ranking came out when I expected 40+ mph winds and Ward scratching. These were updated multiple times today and Ben did settle in as the 21st QB with Ward starting as usual and the winds not nearly as severe.

Credit where it's due. Never question DD.

What happened last week when MJD was the #1 ranked RB and he crapped the bed putting me out of the playoffs?ETa:

 

[BuckeyeArt]

The 28th ranking came out when I expected 40+ mph winds and Ward scratching. These were updated multiple times today and Ben did settle in as the 21st QB with Ward starting as usual and the winds not nearly as severe.

Credit where it's due. Never question DD.

The 30 other QBs have finished their games already?Check the projections, of all the players going last night Big Ben was the only one that is even close to being accurate.

Quinn looks pretty accurate at 30.

 

[Chaka]

The 28th ranking came out when I expected 40+ mph winds and Ward scratching. These were updated multiple times today and Ben did settle in as the 21st QB with Ward starting as usual and the winds not nearly as severe.

Credit where it's due. Never question DD.

The 30 other QBs have finished their games already?Check the projections, of all the players going last night Big Ben was the only one that is even close to being accurate.

Quinn looks pretty accurate at 30.

Quinn might finish 40th this week but he still didn't even come close to approaching the projected 203 yards & 0.9 TDs.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

The 28th ranking came out when I expected 40+ mph winds and Ward scratching. These were updated multiple times today and Ben did settle in as the 21st QB with Ward starting as usual and the winds not nearly as severe.

Credit where it's due. Never question DD.

The 30 other QBs have finished their games already?Check the projections, of all the players going last night Big Ben was the only one that is even close to being accurate.

Quinn looks pretty accurate at 30.

Quinn might finish 40th this week but he still didn't even come close to approaching the projected 203 yards & 0.9 TDs.

I don't think anyone puts much stock in the actual projections. I think most are just looking at the relative rankings. At least, they are in this thread.

 

[Chaka]

I don't think anyone puts much stock in the actual projections. I think most are just looking at the relative rankings. At least, they are in this thread.

I hope you're correct because I have been railing against projections here all week. Of course I also suspect that Dodds' rankings might be somewhat influenced by Dodds' projections.