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Roethlisberger's suspension reduced to 4 games (1 Viewer)
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joffer
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shark move would be Mark Malone or Cliff Stoudt
Godsbrother
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Went 6-0 as a starter in 1976 without ever throwing a TD pass. In fact he never threw a TD pass in his 5 year NFL career.
PosterNutBag
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identikit
Footballguy
That team in 1976 was the ultimate walking wounded. Didn't a center end up having to do some kicking for them? (Ray Mansfield, I think?)Always was impressed with the way that team circled the wagon.PS Sorry for the hijack.
apalmer
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St. Pierre
Leonard Henry -2 Yds
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Tommy Maddox, 5000 yards.
Godsbrother
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I realize that Terry has since found the Lord but he did his fair share of boozing and womanizing so I am surprised he is casting stones.
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Sabertooth
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I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me 
redBourne
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Perhaps he considers his 'womanizing' and his decision on the acts that were conducted by Big Ben to be two different things. Not that I partake in or agree with womanizing, but so long as they say 'yes' I can see a difference between that and the alleged acts of Roth.
Phil McRevis
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Phil wants to know...wasn't this expected to get reduced to 4 games?
Sabertooth
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Phil needs to use the search function.
Godsbrother
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Perhaps he believes that he didn't rape the woman but still doesn't approve of Ben's boorish behavior and the kind of publicity he was drawing. I realize that I shouldn't bother but the reps at Muirfield Golf course stated that while there was a complaint made about a golfer peeing that day they had a full slate of golfers and that it could have been anyone.I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
Evilgrin 72
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It was established a long time ago that it wasn't Ben who was whizzing at the golf course, it was someone else. Don't waste your time, people are going to run with whatever they want rather than bothering with facts.Perhaps he believes that he didn't rape the woman but still doesn't approve of Ben's boorish behavior and the kind of publicity he was drawing. I realize that I shouldn't bother but the reps at Muirfield Golf course stated that while there was a complaint made about a golfer peeing that day they had a full slate of golfers and that it could have been anyone.I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
No it wasnt Ben peeing. He was too busy sticking his wee wee in a tree hole.Perhaps he believes that he didn't rape the woman but still doesn't approve of Ben's boorish behavior and the kind of publicity he was drawing. I realize that I shouldn't bother but the reps at Muirfield Golf course stated that while there was a complaint made about a golfer peeing that day they had a full slate of golfers and that it could have been anyone.I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
Evilgrin 72
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What are you, 8?Thanks so much for your contributions.No it wasnt Ben peeing. He was too busy sticking his wee wee in a tree hole.Perhaps he believes that he didn't rape the woman but still doesn't approve of Ben's boorish behavior and the kind of publicity he was drawing. I realize that I shouldn't bother but the reps at Muirfield Golf course stated that while there was a complaint made about a golfer peeing that day they had a full slate of golfers and that it could have been anyone.I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
Actually, I was sarcastically referring to Big Ben so juvenile. Take a pill buddy.What are you, 8?Thanks so much for your contributions.No it wasnt Ben peeing. He was too busy sticking his wee wee in a tree hole.Perhaps he believes that he didn't rape the woman but still doesn't approve of Ben's boorish behavior and the kind of publicity he was drawing. I realize that I shouldn't bother but the reps at Muirfield Golf course stated that while there was a complaint made about a golfer peeing that day they had a full slate of golfers and that it could have been anyone.I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
Seriously. I am "without God" right now...maybe I will never find him, maybe I will tomorrow. But to the core of my inners, I hope I never judge those without it (or those with a loose meaning of it) and come across as holier-than-thou.Godsbrother said:
Ghost Rider
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Was ever Bradshaw ever accused of sexual assault? BIG, BIG difference between womanizing and sexual assault, FYI. As for the reduction, no one should be surprised by this. Considering how much pull Rooney has with the league, Roethlisberger probably would have had to have had another accusation lobbed at him NOT to have it reduced.Godsbrother said:
This is Goodell's loophole...sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. While he can make a decision based upon the "image of the league", in the end, I think he is pretty fair. Take a close look at Burress' case. Everyone knows (whether you like him or not) that his penalty was pretty harsh. Out of the gate, Goodell said he would be eligible for reinstatement once he is released (eventually...lol). I think he really looks at what "the story is" and not whether someone got a slap on the wrist or 5 years in jail.Godsbrother said:Perhaps he believes that he didn't rape the woman but still doesn't approve of Ben's boorish behavior and the kind of publicity he was drawing. I realize that I shouldn't bother but the reps at Muirfield Golf course stated that while there was a complaint made about a golfer peeing that day they had a full slate of golfers and that it could have been anyone.Sabertooth said:I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
To be fair, i don't think there were many women in the 70s that cried rape...understand, I am NOT saying Bradshaw ever raped a woman, but to compare him and Roth and guys like Mantle and Rodriguez is just night and day...A-Rod probally pulls 1/10th of the tail that Mantle did and it is not only on the back cover of the Post each morning, it has random details to boot. I am sure that most 60s and 70s athletes got away with more back then than they do today, would you agree?
Godsbrother
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*sigh* Being accused doesn't mean guilty. Read the evidence in the DA's report and tell me that you can determine what happened that night. Witnessess were split but they all said the two were flirting during the evening and the woman had followed Ben from bar to bar. She was drinking heavily and wearing a button that said DTF and changed her testimony to the police not once but three times. Based on the facts as we know them it is impossible to know if there was sexual assualt or not.Bradshaw has a right to say whatever he wants, I was just pointing out that he certainly wasn't a choirboy during his career.
Ghost Rider
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Of course, but it is unfair to assume that Bradshaw or any other athlete back then was doing the same thing that BR was accused of.
I never said he was guilty; I said he was accused of sexual assault.
Godsbrother
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Fair enough. I am ready to move on...
How many games did Phi Merling get for punching a pregnant woman?
How many games did Terrell Suggs get for assaulting his wife and pouring bleach on her and his son?
Still seems unfair. Drunken allegations that a police department thought were bogus shouldn't equal a 4 game suspension and the loss of millions of dollars in game salary.
How many games did Terrell Suggs get for assaulting his wife and pouring bleach on her and his son?
Still seems unfair. Drunken allegations that a police department thought were bogus shouldn't equal a 4 game suspension and the loss of millions of dollars in game salary.
Godsbrother
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Fair or unfair that is the way it is. The problem I have is I think it can upset the competitive balance within a division. In this case it could be the Bengals that are getting the raw end of the stcik since they have to face the Steelers with Roethlisberger twice while the Ravens will only face him once. Then again I guess it is the same with injuries.I would prefer they allow the players to play but fine them for a set number of game checks.
Ghost Rider
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Are you serious? That kind of money, even 1/4 of his yearly salary, is chump change to them. Making them miss the games, and hurting them and the team, is the best way to send a message. I am sure most players would rather lose money rather than lose the games. Fining them, but still letting them play, would send a terrible message.
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abe froman
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*sigh* Being accused doesn't mean guilty. Read the evidence in the DA's report and tell me that you can determine what happened that night. Witnessess were split but they all said the two were flirting during the evening and the woman had followed Ben from bar to bar. She was drinking heavily and wearing a button that said DTF and changed her testimony to the police not once but three times. Based on the facts as we know them it is impossible to know if there was sexual assualt or not.
Bradshaw has a right to say whatever he wants, I was just pointing out that he certainly wasn't a choirboy during his career.
I never said he was guilty; I said he was accused of sexual assault.
I realize that we are used to seeing alot of Rumors on these boards in general but in this case noone assumes Ben was not guilty of this. The question marks surrounding the evidence and witnesses allowed Ben to be found not guilty but Goodell sent a message. These guys are capable of throwing alot of money at their problems if that's all it takes to make them go away. The accusation alone is bad for NFL especially for high profile players being involved. He sent a message to all players. 4 games was warranted and Im so glad it didnt drop to 3. It was 6 and good behavior opened the door to 4 games. It didnt make sense to me that they wanted 3 when the agreement was predetermined to be was 4. (side note) I drafted him in hopes to be my QB1 after he returns and even then I couldnt agree with the idea of him being back after 3 games..
Bradshaw has a right to say whatever he wants, I was just pointing out that he certainly wasn't a choirboy during his career.
I never said he was guilty; I said he was accused of sexual assault.
I realize that we are used to seeing alot of Rumors on these boards in general but in this case noone assumes Ben was not guilty of this. The question marks surrounding the evidence and witnesses allowed Ben to be found not guilty but Goodell sent a message. These guys are capable of throwing alot of money at their problems if that's all it takes to make them go away. The accusation alone is bad for NFL especially for high profile players being involved. He sent a message to all players. 4 games was warranted and Im so glad it didnt drop to 3. It was 6 and good behavior opened the door to 4 games. It didnt make sense to me that they wanted 3 when the agreement was predetermined to be was 4. (side note) I drafted him in hopes to be my QB1 after he returns and even then I couldnt agree with the idea of him being back after 3 games..
abe froman
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Godsbrother
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Allowed Ben to be found not guilty? What are you talking about, there wasn't enough evidence that a sexual assualt had occurred so Roethlisberger was never arrested and no charges were ever filed.Don't confuse being a knucklehead with being a criminal.
Godsbrother
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Absolutely. In this case allowing him to play the games but fining him for 16 and participate in counseling and perform community service in the offseason would be better in my opinion. I don't care who you are, losing an entire season's pay in a player's career is HUGE. Also do not allow any of the stats he accumulates to be used for incentives and bonuses, etc.I know it won't happen, I just think it would be fairer to the team, their season ticket holders and the competitive balance of the division/conference.
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apalmer
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So how many games should Shaun Rogers have been suspended for?agreed.
What actions are you saying constitute being a knucklehead here in this case?J
Godsbrother
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Continually putting himself in bad situations. Ben's routine was to go out to clubs and eventually get a private room and have members of his entourage ask the good looking ladies to join him and his friends for drinks. Had he just gone out and stayed in public areas he likely would have stayed out of trouble.
Evilgrin 72
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Your stuff is cutting edge. Keep up the good work.Deadman31 said:Actually, I was sarcastically referring to Big Ben so juvenile. Take a pill buddy.Evilgrin 72 said:What are you, 8?Thanks so much for your contributions.Deadman31 said:No it wasnt Ben peeing. He was too busy sticking his wee wee in a tree hole.Godsbrother said:Perhaps he believes that he didn't rape the woman but still doesn't approve of Ben's boorish behavior and the kind of publicity he was drawing. I realize that I shouldn't bother but the reps at Muirfield Golf course stated that while there was a complaint made about a golfer peeing that day they had a full slate of golfers and that it could have been anyone.Sabertooth said:I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
That's true. What's dangerous I think is the difference in what people think really happened. I'm sure some would say the real story is that there was significantly more than just having drinks with his friends. I'm not saying you're doing this, but in some ways, it can sound like "OJ Simpson was just being a knucklehead". Obviously, there is an entirely different level of accusation between someone that wasn't charged and someone that was found not guilty in court. But I see folks sometimes brush off accusations when there isn't legal action. I think most of us aren't so naive to believe that just because someone isn't charged, it must mean nothing happened.J
No. 16
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You do realize anyone with money gets private rooms/booths/sections of clubs and asks their entourage to fill it with groupies? Hell when I buy enough bottles in Vegas, the bouncers will do it for you.I think it is actually the smart thing for any type of celebrity to do otherwise you never know what jealous drunk ##### looking to impress some girls would to you.
Big Ben gets in these situations because of his lack of control/smart decision making unrelated to having a private room.
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fred_1_15301
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He was never suspended for "raping" the girl........He was suspended for behavior detrimental to the league.Sabertooth said:I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
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redBourne
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Exactly, because there are so many people that this hits home with in some way or another, and as such they would crucify anyone associated with the incident without knowing whatever really happened.He was never suspended for "raping" the girl........He was suspended for behavior detrimental to the league.Sabertooth said:I guess I don't understand why they are suspending him at all. Either you think he is a predator or you think he isn't. You can't sort of rape a girl. Goodell either believes he raped or assaulted that girl or he believes he didn't. I don't understand how his behavior in the past few months has any bearing at all. Great job Ben, you didn't assault anyone and you only hung your penis out in public once all summer at the golf course. Color me
fatness
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And the other parts of the story are that the first cop on the scene called the woman reporting the assault a ##### and told her she had no chance against Roethlisberger's attorneys; that the cops viewed part of the video from the bar but left it there and the bar erased it before the cops could view any more; that the cops did not secure the bathroom that was the supposed crime scene and allowed the bar to wash it out with bleach; and that Roethlisberger had 2 cop friends with him that night as bodyguards, one of whom who led the drunk woman to a bathroom for Ben to have.Rarely has anyone accused of sexual assault benefitted from so much police protection.
money.never.sleeps
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Personally, I'm tired of people making excuses for this guy. He's shown a pattern and obviously isn't that bright off the field. The only reason I see people defending this him is because of what he can do for the Steelers on the field.
I also do not believe it's Goodell's job to determine if Roethlisberger was guilty/not guilty.. his only job is to take into account the facts from the courts and use the NFL conduct policy to determine if he should/should not be suspended. Obviously after several off field issues he came to his ruling.
In the end Roethlisberger and others can make excuses but it's obvious he's not the best/brightest guy. I see the whole charity schtick and mentor crap. What happens when the suspension is up? Does Ben stop all of the things that got his suspension reduced (charity/mentor) and go his own way again? Personally I don't care either way because I know better. And I'm not trying to hate on the guy because he's a Steeler.. I personally don't buy into Ray Lewis and alot of others being the best people because they play for the team I root for. I also wouldnt defend them because when it comes down to it no one knows these guys for who they really are off the field.
I also do not believe it's Goodell's job to determine if Roethlisberger was guilty/not guilty.. his only job is to take into account the facts from the courts and use the NFL conduct policy to determine if he should/should not be suspended. Obviously after several off field issues he came to his ruling.
In the end Roethlisberger and others can make excuses but it's obvious he's not the best/brightest guy. I see the whole charity schtick and mentor crap. What happens when the suspension is up? Does Ben stop all of the things that got his suspension reduced (charity/mentor) and go his own way again? Personally I don't care either way because I know better. And I'm not trying to hate on the guy because he's a Steeler.. I personally don't buy into Ray Lewis and alot of others being the best people because they play for the team I root for. I also wouldnt defend them because when it comes down to it no one knows these guys for who they really are off the field.
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Adebisi
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Take it easy there. That team with the rapist quarterback is the classiest organization in football, you know.
az_prof
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Terry Bradshaw is lucky they didn't have a personal conduct policy when he was a player. He was a drinker and a womanizer. For him to keep going off on Ben looks more like a personal vendetta because Ben hasn't idolized him than anything. It's the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.rzrback77 said:
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