Roger Goodell (1 Viewer)

[Tommy Collins]

Not to turn this into an anti-Belichick thread but I just don't get how he can hand out suspensions for players caught cheating and not suspend a coach caught cheating.

Because players cheating is a bigger problem that effects the bottom line of the NFL than coaches video taping other teams signals.

The videotaping escapade was an orchestrated plan to divert all attention from the real cheating by using the illegal frequncies.The diversion has worked to perfection since the league ignored the frequncies and done nothing the Pats from continuing to use them in their run to an undeafeated season. Its no wonder the Pats can dominate when they can intercept the other teams live audio signals

There proof of this? Or sources?

 

[thayman]

Not to turn this into an anti-Belichick thread but I just don't get how he can hand out suspensions for players caught cheating and not suspend a coach caught cheating.

The substance abuse policy states that a player who takes steroids, which is a drug that would actually enhance their performance, gets a 4-game suspension. A Dallas coach takes steroids, which is a drug that HAS NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER ON HIS PERFORMANCE, and gets a 5-game suspension. The precedent is therefore set that the coaches are going to be held accountable to the same rules the players are, but will also be held to a higher standard. In that light, Belichick cheating (i.e. breaking a rule that ACTUALLY HAS AN IMPACT ON HIS PERFORMANCE) without getting a suspension is unbelievably hypocritical. It's not a question of whether the lost draft pick or the suspension would hurt the Patriots franchise more, because it isn't about hurting the franchise... it's about hurting BELICHICK, and forfeiting a first doesn't hurt him in the slightest. If he quits his job and goes elsewhere, the punishment doesn't follow him, because it's Patriot-specific. The loss of a 1st rounder is a penalty for the PATRIOTS. The only penalty for BELICHICK was the $500,000 fine, which is pretty much nothing- suspending him for half a season would result in far more in lost wages.Basically, the message that Goodell has sent is that, if you're a nobody with no name recognition, he'll bring the full force of his wrath down on you so that he can thump his chest and say he's tough... but if the casual fans know who you are, he'll bluster and moan, but won't punish you for your indiscretions if it might possibly hurt the NFL's bottom line.Edit: If Peyton Manning committed the exact same offenses that PacMan or Chris Henry committed, I am entirely convinced that he would have simply received a fine- probably one that would not come close to equaling the lost pay a suspension would have cost him. Is that a fair belief? Probably not, but if Goodell doesn't want me thinking that, he should perhaps dole out punishments with a little bit more consistency, regardless of name recognition.

You are right mostly, it comes down to dollars and cents for the NFL. However see Michael Vick, once he gets out of jail he will have a suspension from the NFL.

That's a dollars and cents thing, too. The NFL loses money if they suspend Belichick, because the public doesn't view what he did as reprehensible enough to withdraw their support from the sport... but the NFL loses money if they DON'T suspend Michael Vick, because the public most certainly does believe that what HE did was reprehensible enough to withdraw their support from the sport.

Yes, see Nike terminating it's agreement with Vick to be a sponsor. No one is going to protest a game, and create negative publicity over what Belichick did. They will over what Vick did.

 

[switz]

The fact that every person doesn't get a blanket punishment is the definition of fairness.

Is that really how you'd define fairness?

That each person's unique circumstances and motives are considered in determining punishment? Yes.

 

[Max Power]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

 

[Chaka]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

If the commissioner suspended every NFL player & coach with a dysfunctional family the NFL would fold.

 

[roadkill1292]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

What do you think the league should do and why?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Wade Wilson was taking roids to help combat diabetes but did he have a legitimate doctor's prescription?

 

[Max Power]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

What do you think the league should do and why?

Spokesman for drug awareness. Throw a 30 sec clip of Reid talking PR during a commerical break of each game. Pay attention to your kids, talk to them about drugs type of thing. Maybe the NFL should try to do some more good in the world instead of sweeping this under the rug to "keep up their image"

 

[Max Power]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

If the commissioner suspended every NFL player & coach with a dysfunctional family the NFL would fold.

again, there are other type of ways to handle this rather than a suspension.

 

[Chaka]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

If the commissioner suspended every NFL player & coach with a dysfunctional family the NFL would fold.

again, there are other type of ways to handle this rather than a suspension.

Exactly.

 

[FakeAudible]

I've seen several people compain the guy has been unfair when it comes to suspensions/fines/etc. I'd like to get everyone's opinion.

I do not know all the facts and all the cases, but it has been my impression that he has not necessarily treated all players/coaches/teams with the same equality. I could very well be wrong but that is the impression I have.

The fact that every person doesn't get a blanket punishment is the definition of fairness. Goodell tries to take into consideration the player as an individual. Perfect? No, but better than most.

I think that's what rubs some of us so wrong about Goodell. This view (1) reveals Goodell's hubris -- he crowns himself St. Timothy on earth judging according to his own caprice instead of according to law (2) reveals his Sanctimony -- Goodell was the son of New York's senator he was an athlete in high school, but his understanding of athletics as a participant ends there (3) is unfilial -- commissioners before him were much more lenient -- the violence of the players and the silly things they do strutting around like battlefield heroes was part of the appeal of football -- it made it manly. I think it forgets the history of football and what makes it unique among sports -- it's violence and not shying away from heroics.

 

[FakeAudible]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

Wait, really? The NFL should punish Andy Reid for being a bad father??? It would be very authoritarian.

 

[Kiddnets]

Not to turn this into an anti-Belichick thread but I just don't get how he can hand out suspensions for players caught cheating and not suspend a coach caught cheating.

What would hurt a coach/team more?Losing a 1st round pick, or suspending the coach for a few games?

There are assistant coaches that could probably fill in. That already kinds know what should be done.

It's damn hard to replace a 1st round pick.

Not to mention half a million dollars.

...All I need to say is Wade Wilson.

Right on the money. He tries to get a hard on, and gets 5 games. Billy B takes the integrity of the NFL and flushes it down the toilet, and he gets no suspension. At the time, I thought that he should have been banned from the NFL forever based upon what he did relative to what Wade Wilson did. At the minimum, he should have been suspended for the season if you are looking for consistency where the punishment fits the crime. The team paid a high price by losing the 1st rounder. Billy B got off pretty easy though IMO. Personally, I lost respect for the league office based upon what Wade got versus what BB got.

 

[Max Power]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

Wait, really? The NFL should punish Andy Reid for being a bad father??? It would be very authoritarian.

Why does everyone jump to some sort of punishment conclusion? I'm not pushing that. IF the NFL made that call, I wouldnt argue against it though. As I said before, Just make Ried a spokesman for drug awareness.I just hope no one forgets that when Vick's name first surfaced, Goodell stated that Vick is held accountable for people living on his property. Does it need to be pointed out that this same statement was not made for Reid?

 

[thayman]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

Wait, really? The NFL should punish Andy Reid for being a bad father??? It would be very authoritarian.

Why does everyone jump to some sort of punishment conclusion? I'm not pushing that. IF the NFL made that call, I wouldnt argue against it though. As I said before, Just make Ried a spokesman for drug awareness.I just hope no one forgets that when Vick's name first surfaced, Goodell stated that Vick is held accountable for people living on his property. Does it need to be pointed out that this same statement was not made for Reid?

Being heavily involved in dog fighting is very different from your kids using drugs. Now if it is a massive drug ring opperating inside the home I think it would be a different situation. Reid's situation is more of a family issue, more suited to the organization of the Eagles to handle, IMO.

 

[Max Power]

Just one note on the Andy Ried's sons thing. I truely find it hard to believe that he didnt know his sons were into drugs. Either he knew and didnt do anything about it, or just never spends any time with his family. Its sad and frankly I am suprised the NFL hasnt done anything about it.

Wait, really? The NFL should punish Andy Reid for being a bad father??? It would be very authoritarian.

Why does everyone jump to some sort of punishment conclusion? I'm not pushing that. IF the NFL made that call, I wouldnt argue against it though. As I said before, Just make Ried a spokesman for drug awareness.I just hope no one forgets that when Vick's name first surfaced, Goodell stated that Vick is held accountable for people living on his property. Does it need to be pointed out that this same statement was not made for Reid?

Being heavily involved in dog fighting is very different from your kids using drugs. Now if it is a massive drug ring opperating inside the home I think it would be a different situation. Reid's situation is more of a family issue, more suited to the organization of the Eagles to handle, IMO.

From my understanding, his kids were dealing drugs. Sometimes even out of their House.

 

[Chaka]

I've seen several people compain the guy has been unfair when it comes to suspensions/fines/etc. I'd like to get everyone's opinion.

I do not know all the facts and all the cases, but it has been my impression that he has not necessarily treated all players/coaches/teams with the same equality. I could very well be wrong but that is the impression I have.

The fact that every person doesn't get a blanket punishment is the definition of fairness. Goodell tries to take into consideration the player as an individual. Perfect? No, but better than most.

I think that's what rubs some of us so wrong about Goodell. This view (1) reveals Goodell's hubris -- he crowns himself St. Timothy on earth judging according to his own caprice instead of according to law (2) reveals his Sanctimony -- Goodell was the son of New York's senator he was an athlete in high school, but his understanding of athletics as a participant ends there (3) is unfilial -- commissioners before him were much more lenient -- the violence of the players and the silly things they do strutting around like battlefield heroes was part of the appeal of football -- it made it manly. I think it forgets the history of football and what makes it unique among sports -- it's violence and not shying away from heroics.

It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls.Just because commissioners prior to Goodell were more lenient does not mean they were correct. I like the hard line approach he has taken and encourage him to do more. It's time to take as many of the thuggish elements out of the NFL as possible.

 

[FakeAudible]

I've seen several people compain the guy has been unfair when it comes to suspensions/fines/etc. I'd like to get everyone's opinion.

I do not know all the facts and all the cases, but it has been my impression that he has not necessarily treated all players/coaches/teams with the same equality. I could very well be wrong but that is the impression I have.

The fact that every person doesn't get a blanket punishment is the definition of fairness. Goodell tries to take into consideration the player as an individual. Perfect? No, but better than most.

I think that's what rubs some of us so wrong about Goodell. This view (1) reveals Goodell's hubris -- he crowns himself St. Timothy on earth judging according to his own caprice instead of according to law (2) reveals his Sanctimony -- Goodell was the son of New York's senator he was an athlete in high school, but his understanding of athletics as a participant ends there (3) is unfilial -- commissioners before him were much more lenient -- the violence of the players and the silly things they do strutting around like battlefield heroes was part of the appeal of football -- it made it manly. I think it forgets the history of football and what makes it unique among sports -- it's violence and not shying away from heroics.

It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls.Just because commissioners prior to Goodell were more lenient does not mean they were correct. I like the hard line approach he has taken and encourage him to do more. It's time to take as many of the thuggish elements out of the NFL as possible.

"It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls."Damn right. And I wasn't suggesting it -- I flat out said that. If someone commits a crime, then toss them. But spare me the moralizing, holier than though, attitude in a sport that doesn't stand for that -- it stands for roughness and heroics. I wouldn't like it if a coworker of mine were fired because my boss didn't like how that person spent their money or time. That's Goodell and Pacman. And don't give me this BS that Pacman "caused" a guy to be parallelized. It's the same whiny ##### logic that claims the party host is responsible for every DUI afterwards.

Honestly, if Goodell really wanted to elevate morality in society it would be an admirable goal. But football isn't the place -- it's more about vice -- violence, extreme (even irrational) toughness, heorics to the point of hubris -- it's virtues aren't the "do what mommy says and be a good boy" kind -- they're being show-offy, conquering, more brutal, tougher, less yielding.

Goodell sees an opportunity for a short term profit, but it undermines the importance of the institution. F You Roger Goodell and your Senator dad, and you sanctimonious piety.

 

[thayman]

I've seen several people compain the guy has been unfair when it comes to suspensions/fines/etc. I'd like to get everyone's opinion.

I do not know all the facts and all the cases, but it has been my impression that he has not necessarily treated all players/coaches/teams with the same equality. I could very well be wrong but that is the impression I have.

The fact that every person doesn't get a blanket punishment is the definition of fairness. Goodell tries to take into consideration the player as an individual. Perfect? No, but better than most.

I think that's what rubs some of us so wrong about Goodell. This view (1) reveals Goodell's hubris -- he crowns himself St. Timothy on earth judging according to his own caprice instead of according to law (2) reveals his Sanctimony -- Goodell was the son of New York's senator he was an athlete in high school, but his understanding of athletics as a participant ends there (3) is unfilial -- commissioners before him were much more lenient -- the violence of the players and the silly things they do strutting around like battlefield heroes was part of the appeal of football -- it made it manly. I think it forgets the history of football and what makes it unique among sports -- it's violence and not shying away from heroics.

It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls.Just because commissioners prior to Goodell were more lenient does not mean they were correct. I like the hard line approach he has taken and encourage him to do more. It's time to take as many of the thuggish elements out of the NFL as possible.

"It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls."Damn right. And I wasn't suggesting it -- I flat out said that. If someone commits a crime, then toss them. But spare me the moralizing, holier than though, attitude in a sport that doesn't stand for that -- it stands for roughness and heroics. I wouldn't like it if a coworker of mine were fired because my boss didn't like how that person spent their money or time. That's Goodell and Pacman. And don't give me this BS that Pacman "caused" a guy to be parallelized. It's the same whiny ##### logic that claims the party host is responsible for every DUI afterwards.

Honestly, if Goodell really wanted to elevate morality in society it would be an admirable goal. But football isn't the place -- it's more about vice -- violence, extreme (even irrational) toughness, heorics to the point of hubris -- it's virtues aren't the "do what mommy says and be a good boy" kind -- they're being show-offy, conquering, more brutal, tougher, less yielding.

Goodell sees an opportunity for a short term profit, but it undermines the importance of the institution. F You Roger Goodell and your Senator dad, and you sanctimonious piety.

Football is a violent game, the NFL isn't. The NFL is about making money, pure and simple. That's the reason they exist. Adam Jones, Chris Henry, Michael Vick. All of these players put the NFL in a bad light, ads/sponsors fall off a bit. It's not that Adam Jones and Chris Henry were involved in one little incedent. Adam Jones has been questioned 10 times. Goodell has been very fair his message very clear. "Screw with our marketability and you will be sitting for ahwhile"

 

[encaitar]

I've seen several people compain the guy has been unfair when it comes to suspensions/fines/etc. I'd like to get everyone's opinion.

I do not know all the facts and all the cases, but it has been my impression that he has not necessarily treated all players/coaches/teams with the same equality. I could very well be wrong but that is the impression I have.

The fact that every person doesn't get a blanket punishment is the definition of fairness. Goodell tries to take into consideration the player as an individual. Perfect? No, but better than most.

I think that's what rubs some of us so wrong about Goodell. This view (1) reveals Goodell's hubris -- he crowns himself St. Timothy on earth judging according to his own caprice instead of according to law (2) reveals his Sanctimony -- Goodell was the son of New York's senator he was an athlete in high school, but his understanding of athletics as a participant ends there (3) is unfilial -- commissioners before him were much more lenient -- the violence of the players and the silly things they do strutting around like battlefield heroes was part of the appeal of football -- it made it manly. I think it forgets the history of football and what makes it unique among sports -- it's violence and not shying away from heroics.

It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls.Just because commissioners prior to Goodell were more lenient does not mean they were correct. I like the hard line approach he has taken and encourage him to do more. It's time to take as many of the thuggish elements out of the NFL as possible.

"It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls."Damn right. And I wasn't suggesting it -- I flat out said that. If someone commits a crime, then toss them. But spare me the moralizing, holier than though, attitude in a sport that doesn't stand for that -- it stands for roughness and heroics. I wouldn't like it if a coworker of mine were fired because my boss didn't like how that person spent their money or time. That's Goodell and Pacman. And don't give me this BS that Pacman "caused" a guy to be parallelized. It's the same whiny ##### logic that claims the party host is responsible for every DUI afterwards.

Honestly, if Goodell really wanted to elevate morality in society it would be an admirable goal. But football isn't the place -- it's more about vice -- violence, extreme (even irrational) toughness, heorics to the point of hubris -- it's virtues aren't the "do what mommy says and be a good boy" kind -- they're being show-offy, conquering, more brutal, tougher, less yielding.

Goodell sees an opportunity for a short term profit, but it undermines the importance of the institution. F You Roger Goodell and your Senator dad, and you sanctimonious piety.

I don't even know what parallelized means, but I like it.

 

[Chaka]

I've seen several people compain the guy has been unfair when it comes to suspensions/fines/etc. I'd like to get everyone's opinion.

I do not know all the facts and all the cases, but it has been my impression that he has not necessarily treated all players/coaches/teams with the same equality. I could very well be wrong but that is the impression I have.

The fact that every person doesn't get a blanket punishment is the definition of fairness. Goodell tries to take into consideration the player as an individual. Perfect? No, but better than most.

I think that's what rubs some of us so wrong about Goodell. This view (1) reveals Goodell's hubris -- he crowns himself St. Timothy on earth judging according to his own caprice instead of according to law (2) reveals his Sanctimony -- Goodell was the son of New York's senator he was an athlete in high school, but his understanding of athletics as a participant ends there (3) is unfilial -- commissioners before him were much more lenient -- the violence of the players and the silly things they do strutting around like battlefield heroes was part of the appeal of football -- it made it manly. I think it forgets the history of football and what makes it unique among sports -- it's violence and not shying away from heroics.

It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls.Just because commissioners prior to Goodell were more lenient does not mean they were correct. I like the hard line approach he has taken and encourage him to do more. It's time to take as many of the thuggish elements out of the NFL as possible.

"It seems like you are suggesting that Goodell should simply turn a blind eye to things like Adam Jones making it rain (someone was paralyzed because of that) or Chris Henry buying alcohol for 15 year old girls."Damn right. And I wasn't suggesting it -- I flat out said that. If someone commits a crime, then toss them. But spare me the moralizing, holier than though, attitude in a sport that doesn't stand for that -- it stands for roughness and heroics. I wouldn't like it if a coworker of mine were fired because my boss didn't like how that person spent their money or time. That's Goodell and Pacman. And don't give me this BS that Pacman "caused" a guy to be parallelized. It's the same whiny ##### logic that claims the party host is responsible for every DUI afterwards.

Honestly, if Goodell really wanted to elevate morality in society it would be an admirable goal. But football isn't the place -- it's more about vice -- violence, extreme (even irrational) toughness, heorics to the point of hubris -- it's virtues aren't the "do what mommy says and be a good boy" kind -- they're being show-offy, conquering, more brutal, tougher, less yielding.

Goodell sees an opportunity for a short term profit, but it undermines the importance of the institution. F You Roger Goodell and your Senator dad, and you sanctimonious piety.

Okay now I know.